Also, I think this is probably the best way that you could show Thrawn being scared, because he knows what's coming and he knows that he might not be able to stop it.
"I don't know what to do now" This line might mean nothing if it comes from anyone else. But when it came from Thrawn, it's...terrifying. If even HE doesn't know what to do...what chance do we have?
Leave it to Thrawn to be the first to see the Imperium for what it truly is. Edit: You know things are bad when Thrawn says he doesn’t know what to do.
@@MercenaryX21 cant say it any better he knows if that universe flows over factions and all its game over and not just a quick one a horriific nightmare fueled one. the horrors from 40k make the horrors in star wars look a tad mild to put it easy. hes prob also a big jelous at the cruelty of things in the 40k universe to a degree lol
I still remember reading the original Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zhan. It was one of the greatest reads I ever had and it truly shows just how incredible Star Wars can be in the hands of good and talented people.
It really is one of the greatest and always will be one of my favorite trilogies of anything though and this may just be me but I felt that there was something off with "The Last Command" somehow it felt like things were jumping around too fast and Thrawn almost felt kinda dumb at times. Like not picking up on the fact that the Noghri had obviously betrayed him. Surely he would of realized that it didnt make sense for one relatively inexperienced Noghri Commando to escape the greatest elite warriors of Noghri society by himself?
@@user-pm3wk6lw6m No he never learned of that whole thing. I just find it strange that a man who instantly accurately guessed which asteroid in a asteroid field talon Kardewas hiding behind couldn’t even hypothesize that the noghri betrayed him despite the whole first and second book being how he is suspicious that they betrayed him.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion well, in that case he just didnt have that info. He was right to think that nogri got unwavering loyalty, and probably theorised that the only person who could take the leash from him would have to be Vader's heir, but he didnt know that there is actually one. I dont remember why they didnt count Luke as one tho.
The thing about the Mechanicus is that this statement: They are scientists and engineers, but also know that they live in a universe where just making certain symbols can invite catastrophe (a certain assault pod from the Crusade era comes to mind) and that there are dark god-like beings who can make your day horrible. All that iconography, those religious rituals? Designed to help mitigate the problems of 'Fun' from the reality tumors.
Thrawn would be strongly advocating negotiations be opened immediately to find a peaceful solution/alliance. Thrawn's whole purpose in the new Canon was to prepare the Empire to face a great threat from the unknown regions. This would fit right into his current version. The new thrawn trilogy while not as good as the original is still an amazing read.
@@anathardayaldar They've allied with Eldar and Tau in the past and even have good trade relations in some places with the Tau if I remember correctly. It's not unheard of in the imperium at home and in Fan's story Tar himself said that there were elements within the imperium that wanted to open negotiations or some kind of talks with the Republic.
@@anathardayaldar genetically speaking species like the Chis, Twi’leks, etc are actually closer to a base line human than say a felanid or ogrin so i could see an argument being made for them to be classified as abhuman (and there are some sanctioned Xenos mostly this is on a individual basis but the jokaero make even this a bit fuzzy)
@@anathardayaldar they could if one of their traditional enemies comes into this war in force especially when the 40K humans here cannot relink themselves back with the greater imperium
13:23 I love how, as you'd expect, Thrawn believes no Chapter exceeds 1,000 Astartes. Because while several Chapters do exceed this number, such figures are not officially kept. For example, the Black Templars are said to number in excess of 6,000.
That number is at best is a rough guess, because scouts also counts to the total space marine chapter but the black templars strike me the type to not counts their neophytes. So their could be 12k BlackTemplars and older lore says 30k.
@@fildariusv7045 The Dark Angels and their numerous loyalist successor and break-off chapters also have a pact to come back together and act as one in extreme circumstances.
Star Wars planets won't yield to the kind of cruel labor practices needed to mass produce the shit the Imperial faction has. Much less the ten to one numbers they need.@@jasonskeans3327
What I love about this is Thrawn asking the question of WHY the imperium is they way they are. The galaxy is filled with such horrors it’s out of sheer survival against everything that has made the imperium what it is.
Thrawn was an officer in the imperium he would probably befome even a personal advisor to gulliman in the indomitus age and probably even work to curb the power of the ecclisiarchy and the inquisition from being a bunch of psycho murderhobos to an actually competent organizations where the inquisition actually serves to stop threats to the imperium instead of slowly destroying it from within its dogmatic factions and the ecclisarchy serves as a sense of hope and spiritual guidance. He would also probably try and help to bring about other alien species from across the aliens who would look to be allies or subordinates through diplomacy or sheer force. Honesty Thrawn would be a force of sheer pragmastism in a world of extremism
Assuming he doesn't die as a result of the Imperium's characteristic callous incompetence like a mutant purge, scuffing a lord commissar's boots, or being enslaved as a serf on an imperial vessel.
I really like the details of how Thrawn mispronounces some words. Even if it's caused by the AI not being capable of pronouncing it properly, it still shows how much of an outsider Thrawn is to 40k.
Thrawn being genuinely scared at the Imperium of Man makes sense because really, *what are you expected to do when even ONE army shows up from the 41st millenium?*
That's what I love about the Imperial Guard, in virtually any setting you can name, they are a horror. A war machine of nightmarish brutality, scale and ruthlessness. Their scope is only matched in its overwhelming size by their Brobdingnagian firepower. Yet, they are the weakest force on the battlefields of the 41st millennium by far. We could disregard the rest of the Imperial War Machine entierly save the Navy, and the IG/IN combo is enough to be an existential threat to most entire settings.
Shoot em is what you're supposed to do. A few savages with guns they've scavenged for ruins can't be that big of a threat. Join the stormtroopers today and show them what we do with tribals
If a sequel to this is made, I hope Thrawn finds out a little about the current events in the Imperium with the Era Indomitus and the return of the Avenging Son. I would be curious about his thoughts on it.
“Not everything is correct” is exactly why it’s so good. You can easily see how someone could come to these conclusions, and it’s close to right, but just enough wrong to reinforce the moral of the telephone game and cross cultural misunderstandings - including how many within the Imperium don’t know they’re own history and so can’t convey it accurately.
As a huge Star Wars fan, and someone that's been curious about, and recently getting into Warhammer 40K beacuse of the Henry Cavill project, this was so well done it gave me goosebumps at times
I don't know if fanfiction is reliable, but I read one where a Black Templar from the 32nd millennium was sent to the Star Trek TNG era. Quite interesting, even Q was disturbed by that astartes existence.
Everything about the Imperium is disturbing, tbh. Even reality warpers that would bitch slap the Chaos Gods in other settings would find the Imperium itself disturbing.
Awesome I was hoping you would watch this. I love that this series is not only getting fan content, but that its dedicated to Thrawn and people are reacting to it.
I like how he automatically (if falsely) assumes that psykers are Force Users. He tries to apply what he knows to this new organization to make sense in his mind.
In AFanWithTooMuchTime's crossover canon, the Warp and the Force are the same thing and psykers and Jedi are just using very different techniques. The Force is also the equivalent of a placid, glassy sea to the Warp's raging storms.
@@crowe6961 I more follow Darth Malleus' stories, and cannot agree with that assertion, there is too many differences between the Force and the Warp. The Force is the power of the natural world, there is no indication that it comes from an alternate universe nor is there any malefic entities in the Force as a whole. The evil comes from what the people who wield it bring with them.
@@alithanar8 The Warp is the sum of all conscious emotion, it just so happens that this is a total mess in the 40k universe. I'm sure you see the similarities. Every thought and action is reflected there.
@@crowe6961 Not even remotely, the Force is not extra dimensional location, it does not have Daemons, it does not propagate instability and there is no chance that something like Slaanesh, Nurgle, Khorne or Tzeentch could be born from misusing the Force. The only danger is, as Yoda said, what you bring with you. The Force is the power of the Natural world, it is everything on this plane of Existence and everything (not just emotion driven species) is connected through the Force. I believe that the Force is Anathema to the Warp. As those who use the Warp to some extent reject reality, the Force in turn would reject the Warp and its denizens. Note I am not saying that some Force Users could not become as vile as the Daemonic entities in the Warp, I mean some of the Daemons are born from humanities actions in the Materium. I am saying though that those Force Users would have driven themselves to that extent through their own fear, pain or rage (and in at least one case mental illness), they did not need to be manipulated or serve a Daemon god just their own personal mental instability.
@@PeterDivine The Imperium might just classify him as abhuman and proceed to officially not care. They tolerate Ratlings and Ogryns, which are more of a departure from human biology than the Chiss. The Imperium also have very large numbers of actual Chaos mutants living in their own underhives that they haven't gotten around to purging.
Star Wars rebels got Lars Mikkelsen voicing Thrawn and he sounds awesome. He is also going to playbhim in up coming Ahsoka. (Characters is still bit disneyfied but still awesome on my opinion.)
Old man and fellow people in the comments, would you say that Thrawn would be classified as a Mutant, Abhuman, or just a human? While Thrawn is by imperil definition an Abhuman (being an evolutionary offshoot of humanity caused by separation and isolation in various terrain) The Chiss only have three minor borderline cosmetic differences: the rapid rate at which they mentally mature, their slightly above average body temperature, and there blue skin and red eyes. The second and third differences probably wouldn't even be considered leaving the only difference a cosmetic one. I would argue that the eye and skin color wouldn't warrant a mutant status but what do you think,? Am I right? Am I wrong? Please inform me on you opinions.
Chiss eyes can also see slightly into Ultraviolet spectrum which let's them read emotions better than many other species. I would personally consider Chiss and most other near humans in the Star wars galaxy as Abhumans, let's not forget that the Imperium can be rather generous with what is considered human when you look at guys like Felinids, Ogryn, Rattling, and Squats.
Depends entirely on his use to the Imperium, the Imperium gives leeway to those who serve or offer some benefit to the Imperium. If Thrawn decided to attack the Imperium or threaten it, they would declare him a Xenos and attack without thought. however his appearance is close enough to human that if he proved useful or loyal to the Imperium they would gladly give him an abhuman status to justify his continued existence. I doubt Thrawn would care either way, I doubt he'd support the Imperium or attack it, most likely he would aid them only to get close to understand them enough to gauge how large a threat they are and what their weaknesses are. He'd probably hate their military wastefulness and inefficient society, but be extremely interested in the sociological and theological study of them.
They certainly aren’t being generous and giving an olive branch with all the exterminatus mass executions mini wars and countless other battle they are doing 😆
@@dakotalange2858 True but remember most who the Imperium classify as heretics or Xenos are those who threaten or cannot co-exist with the Imperium, or outright disprove or threaten the religion of the Imperium. For those that can co-exist yet offer an immediate and massive advantage (such as Oghran), they are more than willing to exploit and give some level of subhuman status. It's important to note that most like the Oghran are being manipulated with their low intelligence, and that's the key to their acceptance by the Imperium, but Thrawn of all people could more than easily play the fool who blindly follows the Imperium while keeping any important "notes" in his mind as he works. I could very well see him memorizing everything important to note about the imperium with 0 handwritten notes to avoid being caught by the Imperium, while serving or supporting the Imperium in a massive naval role.
In Star Wars lore, at least the old EU lore... all the main races that were 'near-human' were decedents of an original species that were engineered and altered by other powers that changed them to what they are now. Humans were the original, but near-humans split off from them. A lot of the aliens the Imperium is purging... likely would qualify as abhuman to some degree.
On your Picard, comment: I'm reminded of what PAncreasnowork said about the Tau, and how if you put them into Star Trek, they would absolutely be the villain. I'd be interested in seeing that.
the thrawn trilogy are still to this day THE best star wars books ever, he is THE best villain in star wars other than maybe vader (i grew up on the original trilogy). better than any of the yuuzhan vong, better than palpatine, better than the killiks, better than krayt etc etc, great video as always
In my experience with the Legends canon, after Zahn dipped his toe into the post-Republic era, 99.95% of the Legends canon became the equivalent of an author dick-waving contest done by _children_ of all things.
One way or another I don't think the bedlam spirits would allow the Starwars Galaxy to fall. They would allow it to suffer for sure but they would intervene if absolutely necessary
while afan has not officially brought them in to the story, but based on the aftertalks he alluded that the Bedlam spirits or just the star wars gods in generally may have already started to intervene but, he alluded that they may be tied down in fighting against Chaos incursions. as such the population on the galaxy is on their own to deal with the Imperium and other more materialistic threats of 40k
@@Methyll honestly id be ok with that no choas getting involved in the fight at cost of no star wars bedlams or celestials getting to intervene directly agasint the imperium of man.
Since you like the idea of hearing the perspectives of other universes on the 40k verse, I had written this some time ago, based on AFWTMT's work: Journal entry 0103 This is Professor Nassung, head of team T5, recording. It has been a month since the events at Axum, and luckily the war has reached an impasse, giving the Republic some time to regroup. Be that as it may, we of team T5 have no time to rest. Our current assignment, regarding the study of the Imperial weaponry, is coming along smoothly. We are convinced that our findings will greatly benefit our troops in the field and our own weapons development in the future. I am recording this entry while compiling the current findings for my report and will record a brief summary of said findings for personal use. Our team is tasked with the study of the small arms collected during the battle of Axum. After hearing the reports of the destructive capabilities of the Imperial forces, we were expecting to scrutunize weaponry more advanced than ours. While this proved to be the case for some weapons, we were completely baffled by the...lets call it mixed bag of assorted weapons we received. We devided these utilities of war into several categories. Category 1... the slugthrowers. We were quite surprised by how common these types of weapons were. Why would they use such primitive weapons so widely? Slugthrowers, as is generaly known, are only used by more primitive civilizations and/or in specific situations, seeing as the blaster is the standard across known space. Yet the Imperials use slugthrowers to a surprising degree, ranging from pistols to cannons. While they are less destructive than blasters, it is important to note that they do have some advantages over blaster technology. These include faster projectile speed, less overheating issues, higher rates of fire and easier to manifacture and maintain. It is also important to note that, with most armor tailored to protect against blaster bolts, slugs can be suprisingly effective... depending on the calibre. Category 2... the laser weapons. The laser weapons, or lasweapons as the Imps call them, is the main form of weaponry used by the majority of the Imperial forces. They come in multiple different variants, ranging from pistols and rifles, to gattlings and cannons, to ship based batteries. Those of the small arms variety are similar in power to blasters. Since they don't fire projectiles or bolts, they posses numerous advantages. Namely pin-point accuracy, hardly any recoil, undodgeable and being unaffected by most atmospheric conditions. What was most surprising however, was just how relatively simple these weapons were. Our careful scrutinization of it's inner workings, revealed that the level of technology was simple, reliable, durable and effective. Even some less advanced cultures would be able to produce these. Speaking of which... we noticed a substantial lack of standardisation among the Imperial weaponry. To use the lasrifle as an example... we found models with wooden, plastic and metal stocks. Models with only single shot settings and other with both single and continuous settings. Some were shorter or bulkier. Differences in barel lengths, differences in weight, differences in well, everything. One would think that an Empire would have better standards for their weaponry. From the reports that I've read, it would seem that there was a wide variety among livery, uniforms and colors among their forces. My hypothesis is that each Imperial world produces its own variant of lasweapon for its troops, as a form of national pride perhaps. The one constant however, is its inner workings and.... its ammunition. For most Lasweapons, the ammunition comes in four different standard sizes. A pack for pistols. A smaller and a larger pack for rifles (the most common ones). And an enhanced pack for rifles which allows for more powerfull shots. The ammunition is, in my opinion, it's strongest aspect. Each pack is easy to produce and compatible with every form of lasgun. It even has a solar cell on it, allowing it to recharge in the field. Experimentation has also shown that it can be recharged by placing it near a fire. Though this does damages the packs over time, leading in a drop in capacity.
Category 3... Bolt weapons Bolt Weapons are among the more devastating small arms wielded by the Imperials. This is reflected by the fact that it's the primary form of small arms used by the supersoldiers, known as the Astartes. In terms of its operation, it functions similarly to a slugthrower. But is significantly more complex, due to it's inbuild electronics used for targeting and the adaptions necessary to fire it's specialized ammunition... the origin of the namesake... the Bolt. The Bolt is in essence a cross between a miniature RPG and a mass-reactive shell. It consists of multiple parts. A solid-fuel rocket propellant base. The outer casing containing conventional charge. Gyrostabiliser. A Mass-reactive fuse with a split-second timer to delay detonation upon impact until after the shot penetrates the target. A Hardened penetrating tip made of an as of yet unknown hard material. The main explosive charge and a dense metallic core. The core ads weight and thus momentum to the round when in flight, aiding in target penatration. The Bolt will penatrate pretty much all known personal armor, some lighter combat vehicles and even it's shell is made to fragment should the shot miss it's target. While none has been acquired, I am certain that this weapon has more specialized forms of Bolts for specific situations. Time will tell. Judging from how they function, these projectiles seem to be made to dispatch most things it their forces encounter. A jack-of-all-trades, if you will. The saving grace is that those hit by it will die instantaneously on a direct hit on anything that ain't a limb. In terms of variants, we have the usual suspects. Everything from pistols to ship mounted weaponry. The heavy Bolter seems to be the one most in use by non-Astartes forces. Aside from some smaller versions of Bolt guns and pistols, used by officers and other non-augmented, special forces. Category 4... Rocket/Grenade launchers and flamethrowers First things first, the Flamethrowers. They are flamethrowers, that's it. I have sent some fuel samples to the guys at lab 6 for analasys. The rocket launchers are what they are. As the notable trend among the Imperial weapons, there exist a wide variety of them, but unlike their guns are more standardized. We have heavier and lighter models, one-shot models... you name it, they got it. As for ammunition... here we have a much wider variety than compared to the GAR. We have found the standard Anti-Tank rockets, Anti-personel fragmentation rockets. Rockets that disperse smoke and rockets that disperse smoke along with IR bafflers and a form of broadband EM spectrum chaff. Highly effective, I might add. We also found some anti-air missiles and even a couple of rockets that disperse miniature grenades over a wide area. It's important to note that each Rocket launcher can use any of the afformentioned munitions. As a final note I will say that I suspect that the Imperials might have rarer forms of munitions at their disposal that we have yet to see. Then there are the grenade launchers. Self-explanatory. The fire a variety of grenades. Most, if not all, have (or will lickely have) a rocket counterpart. We have found the standard fragmentation grenades, smoke grenades, EMP grenades and even Plasma grenades. Some more peculiar grenades seem to contain hallucinogenic or fear-inducing gas. Asside from a few more exotic types of ammunition, these weapons are all self-explanatory. Category 5...Melta weapons This is most definitly the type of excotic weaponry we were expecting. Melta weaponry is probably a derivative from plasma weaponry, as it uses a blast of intense heat to destroy its target. The weapon operates by inducing a minute, sub-molecular reaction within a highly-pressurised fuel mix within it's ammunition's canister before expelling it through the barrel. A sample of the fuel mix has been sent to Lab 6 for analasys. The weapon is farely short ranged, but the heat blast will melt all, but the most heat resistant or shielded of materials. Like using a flamethrower to melt wax. The analasys of its inner workings are still ongoing, but the weapon has shown to be not very complex...for now at least. Category 6...Plasma weapons Wow...where to begin with these. They are plasma weapons. Similar to blasters they shoot, a ball of superheated plasma, which will positively destroy nearly anything it hits. Even the Imperial pistols are powerfull enough to neutralize lighter, armored vehicles. Having said that... what is wrong with those people!? Their plasma weaponry has proven to be incredibly unstable and poorly designed. Their Plasma Weapons make use of hydrogen fuel suspended in a liquid state in either fuel flasks or backpack containers. The flasks have to be screwed in. Something that is slow, inefficient and dangerous. As the fuel is fed into the miniature fusion core inside the weapon, the hydrogen energises into the plasma state of matter which is held in the core by powerful magnetic containment fields. When fired, the fields dilate open and the plasma is ejected via a linear magnetic accelerator as a bolt of superheated matter akin to a solar flare in appearance and temperature. It would seem that Imps prioritized firepower over everything else. While it has some safeties build in, it would seem that they are more to protect the gun than the wielder. I suspect that only madmen, suicidals and criminals are forced to use these. Though the battle reports refute this. We had one of the droids test it out. We ordered it to keep firing...the gun overloaded and incinerated the test chamber. The droid was slag, but the gun was intact. A quick note... this particular gun had a bunch of names carved into it. We suspect those of whom wielded it in the past. Another peculiarity is, that when professor Harper decided on whim to have the gun dated by the guys at Lab 6, they found that the gun had been in use for 200 years. This is made me wonder...why haven't they updated and improved it? And why keep something in service for that long? What else in their arsenal is as old, if not older than that? This Imperium of Man is an enigma. This concludes this entry of my Journal. Professor Nassung signing off.
I think the thing with Thrawn's analysis is that this is what he's giving to Palpatine as a report. Palpatine has never been... as data oriented as Thrawn would be. Sure his command of the Dark Side is powerful, but it's never been quite as nuanced as noticing something so small as the details of a culture's art and even how they decide to place their houses of worship. He's leaving out small details that he knows that the Emperor would not be interested in, and that he's not certain of. He's missing details that fans would know because they have a wider view of the whole situation. He's ignoring the artistic aspect because again he knows that Palpatine is not an art analyst and will miss the parts that he would get and understand. And even with that, his assessment is that he still Does Not Know What To Do... The Imperium is so vast, so monolithic in style and culture, that artistic analysis is useful in general terms but unless he got the art of a specific world or regiment he'd have to work from basic principles. If there was one person who I think would truly appreciate Thrawn, and vice-versa, it would be Trazyn the Infinite.
We wouldn't expect everything to be correct or to be pronounced correctly because this was all information obtained via interrogation and espionage. That the creator of the video took that into account is mind-blowing. I agree with you this was extremely well done.
Adrimal Thrawn is a excellent example of what is right with StarWars. I've listened to this and it was awesome to listen to. Much a brilliant look at Thrawns ability to break down foes. He knows what's coming and he's scared. This truly sounds like a real intelligence report to me. I don't blame him, the bugs and orks are pure fear. The Inquisition is pure insanity. Mars is run by crazy technology monsters.
Thrawn would have to look even deeper to probably find the answers to the powers needed to stop entities like the Warp and the Tyranids. We know the Tyranids genestelaers cult can be found out through high amounts security so implementing strageies of detections like genetic testings and sensory should be able to find them out if developed and utilized properly. New agile and armed movable droids and better equipped men with better armor and sensories detection equipment established into task forces and divisions would have to sweep them out if they live in the deep tunnels of city planets and more efficient types of surveillance to most easily find them before they get out of control. As for the Warp properties like Gellar Fields would need to be developed utilized more effectively and something similar in nature to the Necrons Pylons would have to be researched even if has to be in prototype designs even if they would end up hurting the Jedi and Sith and force users in general this would have to be needed. I would also recommend containment and offensive procedures such as if this is a localized regional area and you are dealing with Ork spores I would recommend plasma, neutron, or any kind of fire based chemical bombardments and sweepings to put these types of infestations down for good. Deployable flying drones and senior drones would be good to sweep these things more thoroughly then the Imperium of Man's performance at sweeping them usually do. And these types of protocols would good to use against the Yuuzhan Vong's inflitarations as well.
I love this vid and I'm a massive fan of Thrawn My only pet peeve is when you talk about the Hutts like they are the pikes they control a very large amount of space and have done for a very long time I'd actually put them into prey
My only gripe: Thrawn had not met Palpatine until he had already became emperor. How was he an admiral during the clone wars era? In this creators defense, if the war had gone on long enough for Thrawns introduction to Palpatine (idea for new content for this creator) to occur and Thrawn's promotion to Admiral to come to pass, then i recant my gripe and give this a 1,000% geat video
Assuming we are talking about TNG/DS9 era Federation, I think Thrawn will very quickly realize that the UFP is sort of like an 'Anti-Imperium'. In that while the culture and ideology might make them seem like a bunch of pacifist weaklings, or in the words of the theory discussed in the video, a 'prey society', it would be better compared to a 'Master-crafted blade left to rust due to neglect and lack of use'. All things considered, just because the UFP don’t start wars and avoid conflict doesn’t mean they are incapable of finishing them. In its history the Federation has won every single war it fought, often times against much more aggressive 'predator societies' such as the Romulans, the Dominion, and the Borg, that in theory should overwhelm them if the UFP really were a bunch of hippies. Plus, the Federation have lots of tech that they use for peaceful civilian purposes or kept locked away which can be militarized if they ever decide to do so. TLDR: The United Federation of Planets might be a prey society, but it is a prey that is more than capable to defending itself, and you provoke at your own peril. For if put into a dangerous environment for an extended period of time, if you take away their holodecks, replicators, and sonic showers, it can realize its own strength, and evolve into an apex predator.
Your closing summary is very reminiscent of something Quark said. Quark : Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.
@@chankljp The United Federation of Planets is a large herbivore Bull. Generally placid, easy to move around, not all that interested in the vast expenditure of energy combat would entail. It grunts, flourishes, prances and false-charges. Making noise and displays of displeasure. But if one backs off and proceeds carefully hostility is avoided. The problem comes when the Bull decides it's tired of your shit and locks eyes. Now the fight is on, and you're going to get stomped into the blood and mud.
Picard would have a mental breakdown at a glance. We saw how he reacted when Q introduced him to the Borg or when those brainworms mocked him even a little. He would never understand or accept the Imperium the way Thrawn did, at most suggesting they were made evil by external factors but show no begruding "I get it". For every time Thrawn calls the Empire of Man backwards and draconian Picard would a hundred times more, it would be nonstop condemnation. Not to say that's bad, having Spock or Data give the report would go in a similar way to Thrawn. It would just be the same thing. If anything I'd like to hear Thrawn analyze other settings. Listening to him discuss Xenomorph would be interesting to hear.
Old man would there imperium accept Thrawn and the chiss as they are a human subspecies, their race was human it evolved differently due to their worlds climate
@@dakotalange2858 Hell no, the Imperium would see Thrawn as a mutant or as a xeno. Thrawn's species has no link with humanity, and the paranoid fascist structure of the Imperium would not allow him anywhere near them. Even genuinely empathetic xenos which posed no threat to the Imperium were hunted down to extinction for funsies (see: Brynarr or Oretti). Thrawn looking at this culture would get him to determine that the IoM deserved extinction, not an alliance. And he'd be right, tbf.
Final Conclusions and Recommendations: i don't know what do do, but we must INVEST HEAVILY in upgrading our military forces, especially our space forces if we hope to survive this onslaught. As it stand we currently lose dozens of our line ships for every one of their "cruiser" analogues we have taken down and boarding actions are incredibly one sided. However, our most crippling disadvantage is their vastly superior ranged firepower. their Sun Cannon especially can annihilate entire battlegroups from far beyond any ability to reply. We must create ships of a similar scope and power and tougness. A "Super star destroyer" of sorts. I recommend taking the Mandator II as the baseline and significantly enhancing its capacities as a true warship. The Praetor would also make an excellent candidate for a through program of upgunning and defensive refits. as for combat personel, The Blazetrooper and Darktrooper program offers promise to addressing the massive power imbalance with the Astartes, not a 1 to 1 match but a significant closure in the gap nonetheless. Furthermore, we need NUMBERS. Massive expansion of clone production lines is essential as is the re-purposing of al captured CIS assets especially their droids as expendable fodder. Military recruitment among all planets must be driven into overdrive. Each world must be made into as formidable and self-sufficient a bastion as possible. Anti orbital batteries and Theatre or planetary shield generators must be provided to as many worlds as possible to maximize any investment in attack and minimize it in the defence. there are many more recommendations i have... but these are the most urgent to redress the crippling power imbalance especially in the all important field of space control. Your Servant. Grand Admiral Thrawn (future) Imperial navy.
Heh. It would be interesting to hear Captain JL Picard's thoughts. But really, if the Imperium met Star Trek... just how long would be before we were introduced to Inquisitor Benjamin Sisko?
It is my opinion that Grand Admiral Thrawn is somewhat a hybrid between Sherlock Holmes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes and Sun Tzu en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu
Disney-verse Star Wars would be in a ton of trouble against the IoM. Legends Star Wars, on the other hand, would be more of a challenge, especially if the Empire manages to fast-track some of its later weapons and technology. Such as the Dark Troopers (stages 2 and 3 in particular), the Galaxy Gun, the Sovereign class Super Star Destroyers and of course, the Eclipse class.
@@AKUJIVALDO Legends SW would genuinely b!slap the Imperium and destroy Terra for giggles. Only issue they'd face would be Chaos -but specifically due to being unable to enter the realm to destroy the Chaos Gods.
Wait there is a custodian in AFWTMT’s story now? Due to college I could not really keep up. I stopped watching right around the time that librarian was defeated. What episode was it?
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Thrawn explaining the Imperium being only so brutal as a result of the terrifying monsters and abominations they must face constantly like an animal only being as terrible as it must be to survive is perfect People nowadays misrepresent the imperium as an evil system while downplaying the severity of the situation it finds itself surrounded by, the Imperium of Man like Thrawn put it is prey that is the way it is because it has been preyed upon for over 10,000 years by unspeakable terrors and hostile aliens, as opposed to the Humans in star wars that grew up in a pretty safe neighborhood If they for example existed in an environment with things like the Yuuzhan Vong, their attitude on aliens may be a little differently The Imperium of Man is probably Evil, although I would call their evil a grim necessity when the difference between a Genestealer uprising or a Chaos rebellion slaughtering an entire planet is a Inquisitor setting aside their conscience to snuff them out before they can do harm on a planetary scale, or a guard Regiment slaughtering Xenos to the last when over the course of the Imperium's existence this has proven to be a must when things like Orks don't quit or hostile aliens during the Great crusade showed that co-existance was most likely impossible, as opposed to something like Dark Eldar who're Cruel not only out of necessity but reval in the cruelty and endless suffering they can inflict for as long as suffering can be drawn out
Id love to see an objective star wars galaxy vs 40K galaxy video like the ones pancreas no work did for halo. As like his halo videos the modern star wars galaxy would probably hold up well for many of the same reasons he puts in his videos. As long as its the legends galaxy not the cannon galaxy as that eould get splattered. Thinking maybe a Legends galactic civil war era galaxy with bits of cannon stuff like the onager star destroyers MC-75s ect mixed with the legends content of the eclipse SSDs death star prototypes (no sun crusher except for a funny side story cause you think 40k tech is OP) and other things such ss engagement ranges cause i do believe in the books star wars ships dont always engage at point blank age of sail style ehich is why things like the torpedo sphere (my beloved) and diamond boron missiles existed in legends. This video clearly takes place in the Republic era as thrawn refers to palpatine as the chancellor (which i do believe thrawn would not have been an admiral during that time period, at most i believe he was an advisor from the chiss in legends vs cannon where he was an "exile" but not really). I do believe the star wars Galaxy when not going one on one with the imperium would hold out pretty easily simply due to the same reason all other factions in 40k hold out cause no faction can destroy another without getting destroyed or heavily injured by another. Not to mention star wars technology can hold up pretty well to its imperial counterparts i mean they primarily use a type of plasma weapon for almost everything which is pretty top tier in 40k though i would say at least eith hand held blasters they are a step down but disruptors and other weapons would definitely be a interesting sight (disruptors vs space marines anyone?) . Also as thrawn states the star wars galaxy does have the advantage of technological progression though i do know the star wars galaxy has its own issues with stagnancy and regression. They also probably have a production advantage due to that reason. Id bet my left nut that in the imperial legends era the star wars galaxy has marketably more active warships than the imperium and maybe the entire 40K galaxy. Doubtlessly many of them are smaller and of doubtful effectiveness on their own but the star wars galaxy can produce more ships and LARGER ships vs the imperium who i believe cannot produce s majority of their largest battleships like we see at. Cadia i believe? Where that one battleship sacrificed itself to destroy a fleet. Or maybe it was att maccrage against the nids i cannot remember entirely. But the empire in only a couple decades of existence produced over 25000 star destroyers of the imperial 1/2 variety and possibly of other types ifk if that number includes tectors and the legends Allegiance battlecruiser and just the numerous other types that exist in legends and even cannon in this time period. And then also dozens of dreadnaughts over or near 10 miles in length which doubtlessly i feel could go up against similar sized imperial vessels and again ignoring new vessels we know that the galaxy has a boatload of older vessels going back thousands of years such as the invincible class dreadnought which during the civil war was in use by sll sides and over 3k years old. This has gone on long though there theres more I'm thinking of like could the force and warp be related or would they cancel each other out in the others galaxy ect. But enough cause i dont think many people are gonna read this far or even care snd go "imperium wins cause its the imperium" thats a copout and you know it.
Also I imagine they come into contact like this star wars/halo crossover I read. Just say a special hyperspace anomaly opens at say. Vector prime and the segmentum obscurous or something
I don't know about that man. The Federations tech is vastly beyond the realm of most Imperium technology, even most known Dark Age Technology hardly compares to the Tech of the Federation.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 The Federation is a Ter 1 Space faring civilization in terms of Galactic Power Projection. The Imperium is a Fallen Ter 3. Don’t ask me what they are in terms of energy consumption Ters because I have no clue and as far as I am concerned it’s irrelevant. The federation could in theory consume more energy than 40K or Star Wars however but implies their ships are inefficient especially due to how weak their shields are canonically compared to Star Wars and 40K. If you take damage despite having shields up then your shields are useless.
@@Bluesonofman The Federation has weaponized teleportation that would let even the California class ships take out the strongest ships in the Imperium with laughable ease, while yes the Imperium can typically stop their enemies from teleporting on board, that's because wards are made to stop Psyker based teleportation, not what the Federation uses. Phaser technology is so powerful that a standard side arm is able to destroy a miles long aqueduct at half power and vaporize entire rooms of opponents and replicator technology always ensures that their logistics are almost never gonna be a problem in comparison to the Imperium. Yes the Imperium is big and has some really big guns and ships, but the Federation would be punching well beyond their weight class against the Imperium and it wouldn't be that difficult, Psykers would be the only major concern in terms of space battles. And that's not even getting into the Federations AI which on the highest end has evolved into a trans dimensional super being who can casually travel to other planes of reality and create entirely new universes just because he can. As for the idea that the Federation has weak shields, the California Class, which is a workhorse ship of the Federation not designed for war, is able to withstand the gravity of a blackhole's orbit and escape with zero real damage, those shields are far from feeble.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 most replicators don’t even replicate everything. The federation is a dystopia where only the core worlds have it perfect while the border territories live in squalor. It’s basically Panem in space. Also even if they teleported on to Imperial vessels they wouldn’t know where to go as the ships are so massive and confusing that they would get found out immediately. Phasers won’t work against more advanced armor and shields. The deck is so stacked against the entire Star Trek universe it’s insane. Also we are assuming that it’s the Imperium that shows up first. It could just as easily be Orks or Tyranids and in that case it’s literally game over.
@@Bluesonofman you misunderstand what I mean when I say weaponized teleportation. When I say the Federation has weaponized teleportation I mean they can teleport bombs onto enemy ships and blow them apart from the inside out, and the Federations weapon yields are nothing to scoff at meaning no ship in the Imperium would survive such a tactic without at least being crippled at best. Or teleport important figures outside of the ships and take them hostage, like Imperium Captains, Admirals, or Prisoners. Also I don't know what your trying to accomplish by trying to paint the Federation as a dystopia, even if you were right (which you blatantly aren't) that doesn't really change the fact that the Federations tech makes the Imperium look like cavemen.
Unpopular thought - Galactic Empire would defeat Imperium of Man. Do to facts that despite Imperium is stupidly (over the top) powerful, its logistic suck a$$ and Imperial Navy could relatively easy conquer or destroy all Imperium controlled crucial worlds without as single space battle. Astra Militarum, Adeptus Astartes, Adeptus Mechanicus, Officio Prefectus, Inquisition and others would worth nothing if they will be parish following order Base Delta Zero (orbital bombardment for total annulation). And it would took even standard Imperial fleet (15-25 capital space ships) less than 20 minuets to kill billions if not trillions on planetary surface of important Hive Worlds and reduce its resources to nothing. Or just stacked on now isolated and nearly uninhabited planet with no chance to do anything about it for next few hundreds years. If they did not die out first or got conquered by other WH40K fractions. By the moment fleet of Imperium reached on attacked planet, another 10 would be damaged beyond repair. All because travelling thought literal Hell taking 10 times more than fabulas hyperspace jump. D@mn, they (Imperials) could even spite their forces to raid such important planets such Kriege, Mars and Holy Terra semantically, just to piss of Imperium forces who would never catch them. Maybe even destroy whatever remained of so-called "God-Emperor" to put this fragile totalitarian intergalactic empire to total chaos. And it would be logical for Galactic Empire to scorched earth strategy without forward intervening into this Galaxy. All known living things fighting for two general reasons: for resources and/or for reduce competition. And knowing Papa Palpatine, he would not like another similar and even more stupidly totalitarian state in neighbour galaxy.
The thing is over time the empire is going to have to fight the imperiums battles for them. Relieving other forces, if your empire doesn’t win by a lightning war many of 40ks evils will see these new comers as fresh meat. In only a matter of 200 years the Star Wars universe will be bloated with genestealers, drukari raids, and the spread of chaos worship if you storm troopers had to garrison a planet. Chaos space marines would go head first into imperial forces just so they can be the only ones to destroy the imperium. And the thought of a imperial fleet going to terra un aware of the most defended system in the galaxy and see world ending nightmares the custodians keep guarded under the palace. On top of the *TRUE EMPEROR* being the most powerful force user in the universe even while dead and fighting four chaos gods at the same time is scary. 40k will sink its teeth in Star Wars and hold on tight just to see it bleed out for a laugh.
Also, even the Imperium of Man would probably accept him and many of the rest as abhuman rather than fully alien. They are known to tolerate far more radical departures from human biology, the galaxy's a big place.
@@crowe6961 The IoM exterminated peaceful Xenos who were genetically and culturally predisposed to help others for funsies, and the Chiss are 100% an alien species -not mutant or human-descended. The Chiss quite literally have very few connections to human biology, if any.
25:50 honestly, Commissar, Picard _or_ TNG, I can't help but expect that the "ideas" of the snooty little bastard who actually called a US Army dress uniform a fucking _costume_ in one of his early interactions with what arguably amounts to a High Warp Entity would be pretty much the same I-am-human-enough-to-Replicate-bare-latinum-by-drooling-it-but-I-am-too-enlightened-to-bother bullshit.
sums it up universe vs universe 40k will eventually win haha :D if they cant compete without being crititcal dmg to war assets for custos then the other factions universe v universe its game over for star wars.
It's not really as clear cut as you seem to think it is, a Custodes may be difficult to kill on the ground but in a spaceship he's as easy to kill as a common Guardsmen, either he gets atomized by turbo laser fire or he floats out into the vacuum of space for all eternity. In a war between their respective Navy's unless the Imperium gets their Warp Drives stabilized like in Warhammer vs Star Wars vs Warhammer then the Republic Navy vs the Imperium Navy would be one of the most mismatched forms of attrition warfare imaginable. The Republic has far faster and more reliable FTL and communication systems than the Imperium could ever hope to match meaning any halfway competent Republic officer could outmaneuver an Imperium fleet with ease and trap them in deadly pincer maneuvers. What's worse the Republic's ship yards construct new ships in a matter of months while the Imperium can take about a century to make even a single ship. And that's not even getting into the fact that the Republic/Empire would be rapidly developing their technology to close the power gap between their weapons and the Imperiums, and weapons that were previously considered Illegal like the T-7 Ion Disruptor, which were illegalized for being too cruel, would suddenly become army killers as entire armored divisions of Guardsmen, Astartes, and potentially even Custodes, get vaporized as their technology gets fried with so much ionic energy that their technology gets fried beyond repair.
13th Grand Admiral ... yes Love him. we do, He had 1 flaw. Same as the Emperor. He didn't understand people didn't truly cared for his crew and captains.
I mean not understanding the intricacies of human interaction isn't the same as not caring about people, at least in the Disney Canon, Thrawn may view Non-Chiss through the lens of asset or nusance before he views them as people but that doesn't mean he denies their personhood, it just isn't normally the first thing on his mind if you aren't a Chiss He cares about his crew plenty.
