This is the greatest Dorian & viki scene ever. All the years of anger & hatred exploded right here & Strasser & slezak put on an acting clinic here. Brilliant !
Also this acting is incredible. Man viki was really ripping dorians head off until nora broke it up & Dorian was so upset she sounded like a little kid saying " I hate her " that was so real they were both out of breath
Dorian and Viki have the best chemistry on the show. The writers really do need to utilize it more now. It is an incredibly complicated love/hate relationship that has gone on for over 30 years.
Since seeing this scene for the first time over 3 weeks ago, I've been coming back to watch it repeatedly. It's just that good! Soaps back then were THAT GOOD!
WOW just WOW! My first time watching this. THIS was the infamous scene people on RU-vid were talking about. How they saw some early Tommy vibes emerging from Viki. I mean I was an avid AMC watcher since the mid 90s but OLTL really was on another level!! Another note: Poor Erika, I know her throat was hurting real bad after rehearsing those scenes!
omg what a show gotta love baby Todd clip in therein his worst bad boy days. . Dorian viki and Nora the 3 best actresses ever on a soap . I love this story I wish they had original clips of Victor's death.
Viki was already splintering before this altercation...she just kept it well-hidden. Perceptive Dorian was the first to see Viki's instability getting worse and her alters coming out more.
@@CShannon1991: She was! I liked Dorian...what courage she had to stand up to Viki's _HYP-OCRISY_ despite Viki being able to put on a fine "saint" matriarch act and Dorian's own fear of the Buchanons. Viki could be an incredible bully sometimes.
True, but yes, Dorian was bold...and brave. Dorian had her flaws and her wrongdoings, but said what was on her mind unlike the hypocritical Buchanon clan. With Dorian, you knew where you stood with her. I loved that Dorian, despite her fear of Viki and despite being bullied and slandered by Viki, refuses to be browbeaten into "confessing" to crimes she never committed.
@@Coryraisa The way the story was written in 1976, Dorian pretty much did kill Victor. She opened the windows when he was sick, hoping he would catch pneumonia. And she witheld his medication after his stroke. He died in the hospital, although Dorian did not smother him with a pillow.
@@StevieM2: True, but I think as more details emerged, the story evolved. Victor was not the innocent victim Viki imagined him as. It was a good character fleshing out of Victor, Dorian and Viki. Victor and Viki were not innocent saints and Dorian was not the all-"evil" she-devil that Viki imagined her as.
lol... no Carl, listen to 7:56... that is Tommy.. or atleast his voice LOL.... oh my gosh.... and look at 7:32 how Viki backed back and grunted when Nora pulled her off of her.... I mean she was really into this scene
Years later after Dorian left Llanview and was living safely in DC, she reflected on this incident and this time and felt that it was sad that Viki had lived in denial for so long and had made that unnecessary shrine worshipping Victor.
I JUST WATCHED THIS AGAIN---it is really an amazing scene---I remember calling my mother in the room (she barely watched the show) and I said "CECK THIS OUT---DORIAN IS OPENING VICTOR'S SARCOPHAGOUS SO SHE CAN DESTROY HIS REMAINS WITH LYE!"....I honestly had NEVER SEEN ANYTHING like that on television----this was really pushing the envelope----And I hate to admit it, but I actually wanted Dorian to get away with it---To go to such lengths---she deserved a triumph! And when she says to Vikki "I am so sick of you" I was like, Yes, I am sick. of her too! Always showing up at the wrong moment!
Actually, in a scene years later, Dorian DID admit she did kill Victor and she even questioned the fact that the very much alive Victor was even Victor at all.
The crazy thing is that in the original 1976 storyline, there was no question that Dorian killed Victor. However, she did it by not giving him his medication when he was having another stroke. Erika Slezak mentioned in an interview that Dorian was so cold she looked at her watch while he was dying. Following that storyline, an autopsy wouldn't have shown anything. When they came back later and said he had pillow feathers in his throat, I though it was hilarious. I guess that's the Tori storyline they came up with later. But yes...Dorian killed him. But no one could have proved it.
@@fwdthinker: If by chance Dorian had truly killed Victor, it was either in self-defense or to protect other young girls and Viki herself from further abuse by Victor. Victor was not the prize husband or father that Viki had for too long fancied him as. This may have been why Dorian glanced at her watch while Victor died. Also, it's possible that Dorian might not have even fully realized that Victor had been dying. Or also...Dorian could have by then accepted that Victor was terminal, had done her grieving and was ready to accept his death. I've known many, many people in real life who have a terminally ill family member or friend who is beloved. The person often grieves while their loved one is ill, suffering, but when their loved one dies, the survivor is actually relieved and yes, may look at their watch, which may seem "cold" to those who don't understand the situation. Viki made many ignorant rash assumptions and poorly thought-out hasty judgements about others, especially her stepmother, without fully understanding their story and without seeing the big picture. No, Dorian was no hard-core killer and she knew she really didn't need Victor's money. Despite being let go from Llanview hospital, Dorian still had her medical degree, was smart and well-educated and would land another great-paying job quickly. This is largely why Viki and the old-money crowd felt so threatened by Dorian...she was not dependent either emotionally or financially on a man. If Dorian had not been well-educated, had not been highly intelligent and if she didn't have the skills to make millions on her own, Viki and her little clique would not have felt so threatened by her and would not given her so much grief.
LOL...poor Dorian...while she was tough, she physically wasn't very strong. Good thing Nora was there to the rescue. Pity that Viki wasn't arrested and jailed for assault and possibly attempted murder.
Man when Dorian cracked viki & viki cracked her back I was shocked. So a fist fight is going on in the mausoleum & Todd's in viki shed smashing something w/ a sledge hammer screaming oh & hes Victor's son.
I remember when Dorian drugged tori in this very mausoleum in final conclusion of this very did story 95. These 2 ladies really could duke it out. But then Dorian stopped hitting back?
@@IndependentConversations: When did Dorian drug Tori? I think 1995 ended with Viki-as-Tori trashing and robbing a convenience store, getting arrested, then confessing to Victor's murder, which led to Viki herself being taken into custody and Dorian being exonerated. Viki's DID drama dragged on beyond 1995 anyway when she discontinued treatment too soon. In the late 1990s, I think it was the fall of 1996, she threatened her own son Joe with a gun, then had further episodes of DID in the 2000s. The high drama then continued with Jessica's DID, was buttressed by the equally dysfunctional Natalie's appearance and continued long after Dorian escaped Llanfilth for DC. And at the time, wasn't Todd supposed to be in jail after being convicted of rape that October 1993? Or did he already escape and was hiding out in Llanfair's shed?
I think Viki often stirred some really mixed up, confused, stormy, frightening and sometimes violent feelings inside of Dorian, feelings that Dorian often didn't know how to handle that often left Dorian frustrated and overwhelmed throughout the show's run. I think Dorian desperately needed counseling after years of dealing with Viki. I have my own storyline where per urging from a granddaughter, Dorian finally receives counseling once she's living safely in DC.
I think Dorian probably needed counseling the most after Jean Randolph had locked her in Victor's secret room for weeks. Which was also after Tommy pushed her down the stairs at her house.
@@easypnetwork8138: I think she needed counseling most after escaping death row in 1994 and in late 1997. That spring of 1994 really traumatized Dorian...that poor lady was on death row for most of that spring. It was then that she realized just how dangerous Viki and most of the Buchanas truly were and it scared her. I love how Dorian outwitted both Viki and her alters. I think the secret room was only a few days although Dorian was unconcious for a week or so and I think Viki-as-Jean tied her hands for part of that time. The show stretched out those few days, though to seem like weeks on end. I was sooo glad to see Dorian later shut Viki-as-Tommy up in that room when Viki-as-Tommy threated her later that March or so. Viki-as-Tommy sure made Dorian swallow in fear. I have in my fanfictions where Dorian finally received counseling in DC. In DC, she was free from the Buchanan spell and from Viki's clutches. I suspect that Dorian was able to create peace and happiness away from Llanview in DC.
@@Coryraisa yeah I forgot about the trial and almost being put to death. I remember watching these episodes with my grandmother when I was younger. And when Dorian finally got out of the secret room, I was so happy for her. I love Viki too but she is crazy and I believe she gets a pass on alot of bad things she did because of who she is. I think people forget how forgiving Dorian is. She forgave Viki for years of false accusations, kidnapping, attempted murder, etc. Dorian was my favorite character on the show.
@@easypnetwork8138: Mine also. I'm so glad Viki was not able to frame Dorian and was not able to keep her chained in that back room too many days. I was glad to see Viki jailed for a bit, locked in that back room, then later placed in a mental hospital because yes, Viki got away with far too much. Dorian had emotional and mental strength that was incredible. And mind you, the lady was very petite physically and one of the shortest adults in Llanview. Dorian is my absolute favorite also...I just love her.
@@Coryraisa you are absolutely right about Dorian emotional and mental strength. There was scene between her and Jean when she was locked up in the secret room. And Jean comes walking down the steps and asks her what are you reciting. And she say something along the lines of I'm writing my biography. I remember being blown away that even in this terrible situation she still had the mental strength to focus and achieve something. Wow what a woman.
Very late in commenting--But I have been watching all of these videos and I feel like I have discovered a time machine. I was a devoted fan of One Life from about the age of 8! which would have been 1976...I was sick as a kid, so I missed a lot of school and spent my days with my nanny ( both of my parents worked)...I remember vividly the episodes when Dorian-Nancy Pickington at that time--methodically helped Victor Lord’s health to deteriorate, and still remember her opening windows so that the failing Victor might catch pneumonia or something--I remember it because I was shocked that a wife and a doctor would do these things...I remember asking over and over about “the money”--that was the reason for her awful behavior; I didnt quite understand why anyone would do this if they were a doctor and could make their own money (“gold-digging” was not yet in my vocabulary
DRONE AGE RAGE Wow. I wish I could’ve been around to watch when Nancy Pinkerton was playing Dorian. I’ve heard so much about her performance as a much more subtle and dangerous version of Dorian. Do you remember anything else about what NPs Dorian did, like the opening the windows stuff and what not? I’d love to read about it. :)
@@nyc78 how did Dorian lose her license. She could still be called Dr. Lord as some did but rarely. I know Larry let her stay in a Dr's capacity to help w/ Blairs c section. That was kinda cool b/c that's the only time I recall seeing Dorian in the doctors surgical outfit & conferring in Blairs room dr to dr w/ him about the baby. Obviously Larry allowed this as Dorian was her aunt but she & Larry helped turned her over & she was explaining everything they were gonna be doing. It's really cool to see Dorian in doctor mode.
Because Dorian was not a gold-digger...she had skills and an education and was making excellent money on her own already before she ever met Victor. That's why Viki's accusations of Dorian marrying Victor "for his money" are so ludicrous and is indicative of Viki's crass and even willful ignorance.
This scene is brilliant! I love it. Superb. It's also kind of funny, since Viki herself has gone on to demolish his grave a few times. What was Todd smashing up?
Viki's _HYP-OCRISY_ at its best. 🤣🤣🤣 Here Viki screams at and beats up Dorian for disturbing Victor's grave, yet later smashes Victor's grave herself. What a wild, silly goose chase Viki went on for years trying to pin Victor's murder on Dorian when in reality Viki herself was the murderer...Viki, you fool. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Pin on" is not the right term because it implies that she knew Dorian was innocent but tried to blame her anyway. Viki was trying to prove Dorian murdered her father because she actually believed she did. And when she finally discovered she herself was the one that was responsible, she immediately admitted it to the police.
loved this episode vikie and dorian should duke it out more often like that. I will miss oltl when it goes of the air in january. I hope that it ends on a good note or maybe a dramatic note would be good to.
Wow, what a liar Dorian is! I think I remember this scene. And Dorian was greatly gaslighting Viki. I hate liars, especially ones who really tell up a story like Dorian is doing, here. I'm glad Viki saw through her.
I think it was Viki who was out of her mind to think she could "catch" Dorian doing something "wrong," then trying to bully Dorian into "confessing" to murdering Victor. Dorian really was afraid of Viki, but I love that she still had the courage to stand up to Viki. Viki was a bully, a snob and a self-righteous hypocrite and Dorian was one of the few people in Llanview who called Viki out on it and who saw through Viki's BS.
Hey, VickRobCal, I have been meaning to ask you, do you prefer this theme over the 80s theme with Peabo Bryson? Because I noticed with clips in the 90s, you let the theme play out with this particular theme. Clips in the 80s, normally are not played in their entirety. Just curious.
Around 3:35, you can see the color start to drain from Dorian's face. The rest of this piece, Dorian's face is snowy white in fear then fear and anger.
I know a lot of people think Erika Slezak is such an awesome actor, but I think Robin Strasser is 10 times better. Erika often goes way over the top in her performances.
Erika was trained in the theatre, but she DEFINITELY makes her "over the top" performances QUITE believable. But Robin is also an extremely powerful performer. I wouldn't say one is better than the other.
wanted to add Dorian and viki are the best couple of oltl always riveted by the acting clinics these two amazing actresses put on . I like to erase Victor coming back in 03 it was so ridiculous and lasted 2 min anyway bc i love the debate and the mystery if Dorian really killed Victor or not . I can live with Victor s rewrite as a child molester for many reasons Malone was a brilliant writer and this story was phenomenal and the ur were hints Victor was. a monster sleeping with her teenage best friend and having Tina, the secret room viki s did which comes from severe childhood trauma as being raped as a kid and victims controlling relationship over viki these signs were their since the 80s. Malone def liked sexual abuse/rape stories . Marty's rape and viki s childhood molestation. it did make riveting TV
I Loveeee these Two! they are both amazing actresses! i wonder if they will ever revist Victor's death? remember the day of Asa's funeral what Dorian said! i still think that victor that popped up in 200? wasn't him
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 Viki _always_ said that trite cliché in her fights with Dorian. Viki and her silly dramatics, especially with the head-wagging are hilarious.
It's lucky for Dorian that none of Viki's other personalities emerged during the argument. Tommy probably would've bashed Dorian's head in with the crowbar and used the lye to destroy her body.
I think it was Viki's alters that subtly emerged...Dorian saw it and was _terrified._ Dorian was sharp and saw through people. Viki hated Dorian because Dorian saw straight through her.
Glad that Dorian fought back despite her terror of Viki. Viki was a bully and a self-righteous hypocrite. Too bad Dorian couldn't kick Viki's a$$ for real.
It reads as... _Victor Daley Lord_ _Born June 17, 1916_ _Died June 16, 1976_ Victor died the day before his sixtieth birthday, so he actually was not that old. And at the time, Dorian was in her early thirties with a full medical degree, so she really wasn't that young even back then.
No, Dorian was _NOT_ Victor's daughter at all. Dorian was the granddaughter of Eastern European immigrants and was the daughter of Lou Cramer and Sonya Roskova. Dorian looked _NOTHING_ like any of the Lords or any of the Buchanans. Her eyes were too brown to be related to Victor...no one else in the Lord family had even remotely brown eyes.
