One Piece Animation - Original vs Remake (Luffy vs Arlong) 

Just watched it with my mom, and you were right on everything but the pacing. Idk why everything thinks this, but old one piece pacing is not, not good lol. So many sliding still shots of fodder pirates reacting, and things like that

He looked harder then

This video and your comment made me understand a little better why I still enjoyed the older style of One Piece anime as much as the modern one. The animation has definitely become more fluid and colors more vibrant in the modern style but it's less expressive in the art, less use of dynamic camera work for impact and of course very clunky pacing with some exceptions like episodes 1015/1017.

@@reubendaniel5691 That's true, however the climaxes for big fights in old OP specifically were always perfectly paced.

@@islandboy9381 yeah despite dressrosa sucking ass the pacing for the climax of the fights were amazing I know it isnt early one piece but one piece makes fights sick

It has bits of interesting direction, and then 95% of each episode was just still shots of people reacting to luffy do literally anything, so I think overall the anime has just straight up improved

That's just nostalgia

I definitely agree 👍 good comment the old heads are always better it seems 😄😄

@@juanurena87 yeah the old era one piece (like pre grand line) has some absolutely god awful art I’m sorry. They’d have luffy looking like an alien in so many moments, it was just weird

@@adamh4h4 yeah I’d much rather have weekly episodes to look forward to lmao, maybe when the manga is finished they can remaster the whole show from the start. It’d easily be the best show of all time then

Kinda feel the same way about Shida's work on DBS, the fast action suits the crazy power many characters have like Vegito Blue for example.

@@forgottenrelics1197 or just the entire broly movie 😂

@@kyledinsmore9984 for sure haha

Yeah there are also outside elements involved. Since the studio is throwing money at getting these classic scenes reanimated, there is a push to show the money on the screen, even if a more understated tone might have been better. Like in the original it looks like Luffy gave it all he had and that was enough to just barely bring down the building. In this one you're left wondering how there is still any rubble left; it almost looks like the building should have been vaporized on impact. Hell this kick looks like it could have hurt Kaido with no haki.

The thing is, Luffy has always been extremely strong. He doesn't train or get any power boosts for the entire first half of the series. The strength he's punching people in Marineford is the same strength he was hitting Alvida with at the beginning of the series, so I think it's pretty fitting

Yeah...The colours. The animation is not great with all those stills and slow pacing. But something about the colours and art style is so charming.

It takes me back to the Peter Pan no Bouken animation days. very few still make animation like that in the story book style but still have great stories.

It's not a bad time to get started. We just reached the final saga in the manga, and there's plenty of character and world building to enjoy. The Anime scene is also... chaotic. The bad pacing is one thing, but within the bad pacing are some well done scenes that are worth looking into. Recently there was an episode we dub "Roof Piece" that a lot of people, myself included found amazing. Megumi Ishitani brought such a great breath of air into that episode. In contrast, there were episodes I remember in the Dressrosa arc that covered only a SECTION of a chapter and used everything in their arsenal to drag out the episodes.

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him

Hell yeah hope you get into it! I would read the manga and watch the really impactful scenes/fights in the anime but if you do the anime only avoid the filler and it does get bad with the Toei pacing but its still fun to watch especially on the first watch. It's not 1000+ chapers/episodes for a reason. Starts off a bit goofy but its one of the most emotional Shonen out there with insane world building and character building/depth.

Yes! Dude get on the hype when you can, its a beautiful rollercoaster of fun, discovery, emotions and adventure.

For sure one piece goated

True. The new version focuses on the cleaner animation while the older nostalgic one

blinded by nostalgia

@@ALSHABABS Blinded by being 15

@the hevy Im 10....

@@d.7203 You can't read...? Ah yes the classic 10 year old being blinded by nostalgia for a 20+ year old show

Sometimes I miss the older animation and in the manga how Oda and the animators would make the world look absolutely alive, real, detailed, realistic, etc. Like the ships at marineford are just so exquisitely drawn in the manga. And in alabasta the desert and food looked so real. No offense to Shida, or those who DO love this animation, but I for one wish we didn't have to lose all those good qualities.

@@youngknowledgeseeker yeah I felt like after post enies lobby it had a style change and I didn't like it

@@youngknowledgeseeker I mean, its artstyle is based on cartoons like tom and jerry, and the rough look just doesn't blend well with that.

They have rounded faces in the manga too?

Agreed. I think Norboru Koizumi artstyle and Katsumi Ishizuka are the best styles for one piece. I know after time skip they tried to be more accurate to Oda's style but i honestly perfer the others 😭

I have a question. Isn’t it true that the HD special edition of the original episodes made the animation worse?

@@drekagaming i agree with all of this. the original art style is just so great looking, it totally gives off this classic 2000s cartoon feel that i love and also perfectly fits with the series, i get that most prefer accuracy to odas art, but something about those old episodes has a completely different vibe

@@kintarooe8688 there were no changes made except cropping every episode to 16:9, as far as i know.

@@kikithepuertorican I appreciate the reply

Except hammock

​@@CallMeKurima hammock?

@@CallMeKurima you mean hancock?

@@The_BlOb luffy first calls her hammock so this is a nickname

@@umruan1Oh I don't remember that?

where can i watch the remastered episodes?

i'm totally agree with you @cloudsquall88

Yeah, even as a big Hisada fan, Koizumi's designs are really appealing

I especially miss the coloring man, when there were so many diversity in the coloring and Robin didn't get bleached like michael jackson :(

Its the reason why i stopped watching one piece i couldn't handle the new art style

​@@dracul3691 I am willing to bet now days you are watching one piece

@@hakimalive5986 pacing is god awful

My only problem with Oda's artstyle is his gradual descent into drawing women the way he does. He can draw very well, realistically and cartoony, but for One Piece for some apparent reason he chooses to draw woman just so weirdly.

@@senorquack5182 He's already spoken on it many times. If you don't like it then that's YOUR issue. Or maybe admit you're a far left nzi who has a stupid gender enforced ideal that "women can be any size they want and it's fine". If so then Oda is fine. He does NOT have to represent the Western women who willingly make themselves fat and ugly.

@@davidfence6939 mofo robin look like a goddamn a hourglass

@@davidfence6939 oda doesn't have to draw women fat HOWEVER i would much prefer the female to not be a HOURGLASS

@@davidfence6939 i don't care about anime female with a big b00b or a$$ But oda female is way to big for my taste

The comments have achieved this ngl

Yeah it's a really detailed cut :)

thanks for the support dude and yes it's great that these guys are still at it after all these years!

np man and i'm glad ya enjoyed it!

@@forgottenrelics1197 You're doing the Lord's work. It's hard enough to find animation breakdowns of Western cartoons The fact that you do Eastern properties is something special.

yes because today's anime are too flashy and don't look hand drawn anymore. Same reason why old Naruto fight scenes are masterpiece

haha glad to finally find someone who doesn't mind Shida's take

Same the original Lucci battle was great but in the Arlong scene I think the newer version conveys more emotion

Exactly. The original felt like it had way more power to their punches while in the remake, it doesn't feel much impactful. And yes the shading is very unnecessarily heavy. The shading feels so heavy it overpowers the colors and feels like everything just blends in. Also straying from the source material just to make Luffy more badass is not something I prefer, especially when it doesn't suit his character

This, the punches and kicks have no weight

Your welcome haha and yeah I've tried to change up the editing style a bit lately!

Yeah it was well done :)

@@forgottenrelics1197 I hope you start watching/reading OP. Right now, from a production standpoint, the OP anime surpasses many seasonal shows. The stuff Toei does is revolutionary for weekly anime. They really went above and beyond for the Wano arc. Episode 1015 is one of the best episodes in ANIME direction and animation-wise. People say the anime is poorly animated, but that's just false. Yes, there are poorly animated episodes, which is normal for any weekly show, but the OP anime had solid production till the Wano arc. From then on, the anime has just kept getting better and better. It's unreal! Btw, Hisada is not the beast he once was on DBZ, but he is still going strong to this day. His animations are still dynamic. Sato was a character designer for Ep of east blue. He also made a few appearances on the show. He animated one of the best scenes from Dressrosa arc. Shimanuki is stiff as always, but he's a great addition to the staff. His early OP work was great, but nowadays not so much. Naoki the GOAT Tate was really active on OP during the Summit War Saga, but now he's busy with Digimon... He was one of the animators who carried the anime for quite a while. Without him, the anime wouldn't have been the same. He animated one of the best scenes in OP to this day. I don't have to say anything about Shida, he's a legend. He's delivering HQ animation to this day. Recently he worked on ep 1025 but he's gonna make an appearance on 1028 as well!!! He also contributed a lot to the upcoming OP movie 'Film Red'. His work ethic is admirable! Ryo Onishi blessed us with amazing, fluid, action, and character acting animations in Thriller Bark and Sabaody arcs. Definitely in my top 5 animators in the industry.

@@memeduka Honestly just the quality from the Wano arc alone has made me want to watch the anime haha. Hats off to the staff for taking a weekly anime to such heights, I can only hope Dragon Ball can one day get the same level of consistent quality! And it's refreshing to see appreciation for multiple animators. A lot of people have pretty narrow tastes haha. But yeah definitely agree with everything you've said, I've noticed just from Hisada's OP clips on sakugabooru, while fine, isn't as strong as his early days on OP and Dragon Ball Z. Likewise I've realised that's the same with ol Shimanuki. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels the same way. Will be interesting tho to see where Tate goes after Digimon Ghost Game concludes. Also glad to hear Shida's gonna make a return, definitely look forward to that :)

@@forgottenrelics1197 Yes, a lot of people love on-model consistent animation like Demon Slayer, but I prefer idiosyncratic animators who add their personal touch like Tate, Shida, Norio Matsumoto, Yuki Hayashi, BAHI JD, Umakoshi, Hironori Tanaka, Shingo Yamashita, Takashi Kojima, Masami Mori, Shinya Ohira, Kameda, Yutaka Nakamura, Ishizuka, Akihiro Ota, Onishi, Ryo Imamura, Keiichiro Watanabe, Toshiyuki Sato, Yuuya Geshi, etc. The age is definitely catching up to them (Hisada and Shimanuki, they gotta be in their 60s, right?). Since Wano started, Toei has been bringing in a lot of overseas animators to work on the anime. In the last two/three years the number of overseas freelance animators has been rapidly increasing in the industry. It's nice to see what other animators, besides in-house staff, can do in this industry.

@@memeduka Same, it's exactly what makes Japanese animation interesting! Pity people use whether something is on model or not as a way to measure good animation. I've likewise noticed a lot of the freelance talent that's have been brought onto Toei projects in the last couple of years. Would be a dream to have someone like Bahi work on DB.

The head movement and camera just going bananas gets distracting really easily. It's hard to even track what is doing what when it's like still frame -> incomprehensible movement -> still frame -> incomprehensible movement ->repeat

I think the movements being distracting has its charm too. We can understand what they're doing by the slow pacing, highlighting the climax of this arc than being rushed and left confused in the final product. I never knew Arlong bit Luffy but that just means that the remake did a lot better emphasizing Arlong's teeth drill attack.

@@zetsubanned4308 bruh it ain't that hard to follow is it?

It's supposed to be fast though

thank you :)

@@forgottenrelics1197 fr bro he’s right love the vids and it helps me learn more about art and animation

The video is over 300k views so thats good, could hit 500k soon

Someone sent a comparison of these particular two scenes so it's why I analysed just these ones. As I mentioned in the video tho I haven't watched One Piece so I didn't know there was another version. Although honestly I probably would've gone with the 2017 one anyway since Shida had a part in it :)

@@forgottenrelics1197 it would've been sick to see you cover Episode of Nami, I think it's the best version. It's not as limited in animation as the original and it isn't as overly done as East Blue, it also leans a lot more in on the drama and mood, with moody color and dramatic character acting, which with the context of the overall arc makes it my favorite version.

Thank you, I’m actually getting tired of the nostalgia bait lol. I’ve been rewatching the one piece anime after catching up, and I can say that no part of it is even close to the level of quality we get in modern one piece. And not even wano, just like, anything after water 7

@@reubendaniel5691 nah the original is simply better

Having watched One Piece in its entirety less than a year ago for the first time, I have to say I much prefer the art style of the original. The animation quality is better in the newer one, no doubt, but the original had a bit more character. The new animation feels a bit homogenized with the styles of modern anime as a whole, which given how bizarre OP is, doesn't really vibe the same.

Fax

Fr, the orginal Luffy vs lucci (jet gattling scene) had minimal animation but hit hard

Definitely true, although the 2017 was a TV special so I don't think it had a big budget in the first place :)

What does this have to do with the video lol

@@diegovaldes1408 la animación del 2017 se ve más cara, pero me parece mejor la original.

Wano and WCI >>>>>

@@memeduka totes

@@GalekC ?

@@memeduka Totally, I mean to say I agree

Probably the same reason I like early Op's artstyle as well

Luffy design just became ugly af

Thanks, been trying to improve the editing, as well as refine the scripts and try and come from the perspective of someone who is mostly unfamiliar with the animation production side of things! I definitely kept it in mind before, but yeah just much more intentional with that aspect now :)

@@forgottenrelics1197 hell yea man great to see ur hard works paying off! this more general audience approach will help show more people how fucking awesome animation and it's production can be so i am certainly not disappointed with this direction :DDD

Budget has little to do with it, you can see this amount of animation in Naotoshi Shida's work both in TV series and movies.

That’s just shida’s style chief

haha no probs

🙏

The lighting effects on black bg's are impact frames as well. But in regards to DB I think it's fine to change the formula up a lil bit from what we've had for ya know, the past 30 years. Funny enough his scene between Goku Black, Zamasu, Trunks, and Goku reminded me of DBZ's action when I first watched it, even though looking back now it's far more animated and complex than anything from Z, I guess it's just different for everyone.

@@forgottenrelics1197 The thing is Dragon Ball Z is an extremely iconic show which is very strongly aknowledged for its unique take on fight sequences and how they convey characters' strength in them. I think the new impact frames are quite a hit and miss in that regard because they mostly convey speed instead of strength that the audience is accustomed to. So, instead of having an evolution on the Z style, we kinda saw a departure from it. Might as well be used in a different Anime... which it is, as we see ;b That being said, I think the Broly movie balanced Z style with this new one well enough, and definitely far better than the TV series of Super.

He is young

@@ratedr7845 he's like 17-18

@@stefthorman8548 19*

@@stefthorman8548 so?

Wanna fell different huh?

Literally everyone does, the new one is really nice don’t get me wrong but the OG is wayyy better in terms of style, and it’s not even nostalgia factor for me bc I started watching OP six months ago

​@@netowanimation694 maybe It's because of nostalgia something a new viewer wouldn't understand.

Ayee glad to find another person that likes Shida's take haha. Kinda surprised how many people dislike the new one. But each to their own I guess.

Same. I prefer the newer one for the better animation and for how dynamic it is in comparison. The only things I prefer in the original are Luffy's dramatic stare at Arlong and the outside shot of the castle falling down

They make me cringe!

Thank you and I agree :)

thank you :)

I agree this series help us in recognizing the main traits of how these animators draw their animations. Not just Dragon Ball but also other animators who worked on other anime.

oops yeah i did, stayed up a lil late to get this out so i'm tired :(

@@forgottenrelics1197 keep up the good work mate