Cows can talk in the Fallout world, that's canon from Fallout 1. "Moo I say." TBH if people went after Fallout 1/2/3/NV with the same level of autism they're going after the show none of those games would hold up. The biggest problem I have is not pointing out flaws, which all the games AND the show have plenty of, but the double standards, the people quoting lore very selectively (or not even knowing the lore), and the huge amount of nostalgia the old games are dipped in that lets people passively handwave their own flaws away. It doesn't feel like an honest discussion.
That's basically what i was saying in my superchat because it seems like no one even knows wtf lore to follow lol so when it came to the show i was just happy to see things i recognized from the games lol
Re: Vault-Tec losing money and needing to start the war: If they're capitalist, in that world, building vaults, they're operating similarly to a defense contractor, surely? There are defense contractors who are paid BILLIONS to make anti-missile systems on American soil, that have never fired a single shot at a legitimate threat since they were built. Those contractors were still very handsomely paid to create them because they're paid by acquiring the government contract work, not NECESSARILY moving products as if they're WalMart. So, if V-Tec is the sole government-backed provider of these vaults (and ignoring the nefarious motivations for the war) they should be raking in cash. They'd have the US government, and probably others, suckling at their teet for as long as the war is a possibility. Their version is a goofy strawman of how this would work in a capitalist system. They failed military-industrial complex 101 - the big money likes war but they never want the war to END, let alone END THE WORLD. The show barely understands what capitalism even is while trying to criticise it, many such cases.
It could easily be explained as Vault-tec is run by the same people who run US government who are also the ones that form the the Enclave. It would make for a easy plot hook for Enclave to appear too. Not sure what they are doing for the TV.
They have it exactly backwards; defense contractors are incentivized to keep everyone _afraid_ of war but never actually having war. The second WW3 starts, they suddenly have a lot more responsibility and make a lot less money. Think about how much insurance agencies make for people _not_ getting injured and filing a claim. Insurance companies aren't hiring goons to steal cars and bust kneecaps, that's rtarded.
@@hinugundamB Yeah man that's pretty much the game lore for them, especially if Bethesda or the show want to confirm the space stuff from Van Buren. We know Vault-Tec are trash and don't have people's best interest at heart, it's just wrapping it up in talk of profit and "losing our investment" is hilariously off lmao. Especially when other, non-nationalized, non-VT businesses agreed to it. Iirc the lore does outright say RobCo were defense contractors, that's how the Mister Gutsy was made (Edit: WRONG, Gutsy was General Atomics, RobCo worked with GAI and the US government to create Liberty Prime and the Robobrains instead, my bad), but regardless RobCo etc wouldn't have the same sinister goals as VT which is why I think they tried the whole capitalistic angle. Of course RobCo is chaired by House who was in that meeting, which is its own can of worms, but I digress... I think the Enclave are too tempting to be left dead. The show or hell, Bethesda themselves, will definitely bring them back at some point
This is a sad commentary on the state of modern friendships. Way to many people think a simple disagreement over a pointless but harmless show would kill a friendship.
It's because channels now are getting created out of drama. Drinker and Lance liked the show a lot and both respect Mauler and i know Lance wouldn't hate Mauler for not liking the show because Mauler wasn't a dick about his views on it
Goggins is good in Fallout, but he's great in Justified. Justified stands out as a show, because the writers understand the strength of basing a show on the relationship between characters.
30:48 thanks for answering my question in the superchat I sent. I personally think it’s funny and somewhat cathartic when RU-vidrs address nonsensical accusations. However I sympathize with Drinker’s position. It’s better to just do your own thing and ignore all the clout-chasers across the internet. Just do what you enjoy doing and don’t let anyone else tell you how to run your platform or your morals. 👍
FDR served 4 terms back to back... or rather was elected to 4 terms. He died shortly after the start of his fourth term. He's the reason there are official term limits for presidents. George Washington made an unofficial term limit by not running for a third term. FDR was the one to change that and then simultaneously make sure that no one else could.
Plot Twist Advice: Brandon Sanderson is excellent at the sort of plot twists where suddenly everything makes perfect sense and you wonder how you didn’t see it coming. The way he does it is to have absolute mountains of foreshadowing, but every single piece of foreshadowing has an unrelated, immediate purpose in the narrative. If the story is complex enough, and has many moving parts, it becomes possible to have an event or conversation with a clear and present purpose to the story, so your mind isn’t suspicious, but the double meaning seems obvious after the big reveal. With some of his books, I went back and immediately reread it, and it feels like every scene has foreshadowing, making the second read hugely satisfying. The Well of Ascension and Rhythm of War in particular have such paradigm-shifting twists, and the second read is practically a whole new experience. The main plot, which was compelling in its own right, is recontextualized now that you see where all the subtext was going. Hard to do? Of course. But if your world is rich enough and the characters complex enough, there are many opportunities to hide huge clues where no one will recognize them for what they are.
Walton G was also in "Cowboys Vs Aliens", a movie that can divide any number of movie fans, and critics. Personally, I enjoyed the movie for what it was. =)
FDR was elected for four consecutive terms dying in April 1945, about two and a half months into his fourth term. The 22nd Amendment (1951) to the US Constitution now limits people to being elected to just two Presidential terms. They may also serve part of someone else's term (Vice Presidential Succession) as long as it is less than half of their predecessor's term. Prior to the 22nd Amendment, Presidents were limited to two terms by tradition only. George Washington set this tradition by not running for a third term even though he could have been elected President for the rest of his life. FDR was the only American President to break this tradition by running for a third term in the aftermath of the Fall of France in 1940 during WWII. The only President to be elected to non-consecutive terms was Grover Cleveland (22nd & 24th President of the United States) in the late 19th century. Cheers
Theodore Roosevelt is a borderline case. He succeeded McKinley 6 months into his presidency in 1901 and was elected to a full-term in 1904, so from 1901 to 1909 he served 15/16ths of a two-term presidency. Rather than seeking what would effectively be a third term in 1908, he supported William Howard Taft as his successor. However, by the 1912 election, he had soured on Taft and ran against him for the Republican nomination. Taft prevailed, and Roosevelt ran as a Progressive, splitting the vote and allowing the Democrat Woodrow Wilson to win. Roosevelt could have argue that he didn't fully break the Washington tradition, since if he'd won in 1912 he would have only been elected President twice. If the 22nd Amendment had been in force at the time, however, he would not have been able to run, since that amendment also provides that you can only be elected to one Presidential term if you've served more than 2 years of another President's term. It is an interesting alternate history counterfactual to speculate if, had Roosevelt won in 1912, would he have stepped down in 1916 or sought election to yet another term? Given the war in Europe, it's possible he would have made the same decision that FDR made in 1940.
FDR served 4 consecutive terms, although he died in office before completing the 4th term. Presidential term limits of 2 terms or 10 years came as a result of FDR’s long span in office, and fear of one day creating a freely elected dictatorship through the cult of personality. Prior to him presidents had self limited to 2 terms in office, a precedent set by George Washington.
The very first question, an actor who carried an otherwise mid series would HAVE to be Andrew Lincoln from The Walking Dead. Guy is S tier at some points in that show.
The fallout show would offend less had they just stayed away from the West Coast. Why couldn’t it have happened in the Midwest or east. It’s because Bethesda wants to use the Classic Fallout games like the sequel trilogy used the OT.
For a sensible capitalist on this scenario, would be to keep international tensions high, to have demand for the vaults but never have it escalate to an actual war. You might be able to make a sensible story about VaultTech manipulating the political situation to such an extent that it got away from them and triggered a full scale exhange, but that would not be something they wanted if their goal was just making money. You could also give them some kind of secret bizarre ideological goal, but that would make their motivations non-capitalist.
100%. They're basically a national insurance company. Insurance companies' bread-and-butter is 90% pf their benefactors _not_ needing to file a claim. The second war starts, they lose all their money. Don't believe me, try to think of one time insurance companies intentionally damaged property or kneecapped people.
The canon keeps changing but the idea seems to be that Vault Tec and the Enclave had decided that due to resources running out on earth that the best plan was to colonise another planet. That meant that the vaults were not designed to protect a population to rebuild but were instead intended to test scenarios for space travel and colonisation. That kind of ties in with the space area of Nuka World. Basically you have multiple ideas of who started the nuclear exchange. 1. The Communist Chinese 2. The Enclave/Vault Tec 3. The Aliens 4. The Old Ones who appear to have a big influence hence all the big metal head decorations There are clues that could lead to any of the above, but no definite cause as become canon.
I really didnt understand in Civil War that they chose not to follow journalist on the front lines. Then when we get to the military base they show us 2 journalist that have been on the front line the entire time, just have the film be with them surely would have been better. Also the guy wants to interview the president but doesnt take any recording equipment, and doesnt even get his phone out when he gets to talk to him.
Drinker- The Hillsborough disaster did make the news here in the US, even for a country that largely doesn't care about soccer. The cultural memory of the disaster in the US has probably faded, though. I had to look it up to be reminded, oh, that was the stadium crush tragedy I vaguely remember.
Instead of cherry coke and instead of cherry rum use regular coke and regular rum and add a shot of amaretto. You get the exact same flavor. It's called a Dr. Pepper.
Same guy asked Nerdrotic. For Christ's sake, DC had lost the plot long before Final Crisis. They never really had it since they decided they could write for adults without understanding what that meant, so you have an Eric Cartman version of "muh comics is dark and gritty, I'm such a big boy."
"Living well is the best revenge", Drinker. Your Last Orders is my weekly relaxation time, absolutely love it. P.S. Any chance of having Doomcock on a a guest?
Can't wait for the Stellar Blade playthroughs from you guys, I just got through the demo myself (and still getting my arse slapped in the boss mode XD ) I can't wait to pick up a physical copy tomorrow morning :D
I still go with the French baldy who spoke like he came straight out of a Shakespeare play. For me Shatner comes after the two bald dudes really, maybe because they at least embraced losing their hair. ;-)
Never notice that kind of thing because, so often, it’s the same Superchat participants among several channels so I can never keep track of their comings and goings. I think it’s Wayland though, not William. I’ve never seen it in print.
I only remember him because Drinker's Open Bar is the only stream I watch on a weekly basis, and because he was very active. But yes, I'm pretty sure i messed the name. @@SumDumGy
i can tell from some of the comments ppl are making about the Fallout show that i maybe have a different perspective of the games than them, im going off knowing that Fallout 4 did so many things wrong and it feels like people are only taking that game into account when trying to fit it in the lore, could be wrong though.
Gents, if neither of you have played an Elder Scrolls game, I'd urge you to give Morrowind a play. Yes, it's old, but it's still one of my favourite games of all time. Even better, play the OpenMW version for some quality-of-life improvements. There is something amazing about that game. The world feels fleshed out and I love that the environments were hand-made, so were done thoughtfully and with care. The lore is also quite engrossing. Thanks for the video!
Fallout: Brotherhood Of Steel by Interplay Games was a generic overhead view action shooter with a heavy metal soundtrack, and THAT was the direction Fallout was headed before Bethesda picked it up. If Brotherhood Of Steel had been a hit, Interplay would have kept the license and turned the series into an arcade shooter for metalheads. Everyone crying about Bethesda (who actually saved the series) NEVER mentions Interplay for some reason.
I wish people would really understand that the NCR, much like the Brotherhood, is not just a single city or small geographic region. They might still be out there in force.
Now I get why you got so upset at people (me) getting annoyed with Star Wars Theory, you have a sad parasocial relationship with the RU-vidrs you watch and you constantly pay them so you can feel a little closer to them each time. Damn.
Regarding the ghouls. In the games the ghouls come in many forms of decay, there are some that have pretty smooth faces and some who look like they have put there face in a lawn mower.
Some tidbits yall might not know about fallout: there's a very popular international card game called magic the gathering. They congruently released their full fallout set thats selling really well. Ella Purnell (Lucy) is also the same voice actor as Jinx in Arcane. Herself and Hailey are my dream anime actor threesome
I find it utterly bizarre and quite frankly inexplicable that neither Drinker not Mauler have played fucking SKYRIM in this, the year of our Lord two-thousand and twenty-four... The game has been released like 10 times... Utterly inconceivable to me, having put something like 1500 hours into Skyrim over its various iterations (and 1900 in Fallout 4)
I disagree about the Matrix having aged, it's the closest a film can get to having an art style while being realistic. If anything, the sequels have failed to replicate it in any way, shape or form.
Both Synthetic Man and the guys at Shadiversity/Knight Watch/Shadlands despised the Fallout show, and from the arguments they came with, and Mauler's, I found myself no longer really wanting to watch it...
While I enjoyed the Fallout show Vault Tech choosing to nuke the world was silly writing. I think a much better alternative would have been them launching a dud nuke to scare people into buying. This would be supported by lore in the games and could easily have spiraled into actual nuclear war without it being their plan.
Certainly better than ripping off the terrible plot of the resident Evil Movies. "Were mega successful at Business, let's release a zombie plague" is exact as silly and it seems Fallout didn't justify its reasons why any better than that film did.
11:56 Yeah my comment to Mauler and the show about the canon is it seems like the series lore is always changing itself so a big issue with fans was are we using New Vegas lore or 3 or 4 or 76? Whatever changes the show made i didn't mind because the Fallout series itself doesn't follow one straight line of continuity Also at 1:02:15 was by far my favorite part of this entire stream. I wish that kind of mentality was used more
I like it very much, that you disagreed with each other. Since you all disliked Guardians of the Galaxy 3, I found your content a bit odd. But Fallout debate was really cool. Felt real.
Fladerisation is exactly what happened to vault tec. They were once an organisarion dedicated to science at any human cost, with each game the writers focused more on creating scenarios that hurt the most number of residents possible in bizzare ways but didnt care as much to give it a good scientific basis for why. The science stopped making sense and the organisation became cartoonishly evil.
No, the original game Vault Tec is designing experiments to allow the development of generational ships, per Tim Cain, the co-creator. BC the earth would be incapable of sustaining life.
Darcy (broke girl)'s huge ass actually jump-scared me while watching Wandavision. When she's in the circus outfit i was straightup shook when she turned around. Then she started talking again and I felt deeply conflicted.
@@strambino1 also for consideration, one of the game devs, Josh Sawyer, made a "directors cut" mod that's available as a free mod. It tweaks a bit of the gameplay but nothing too drastic.
MauLer: If we could just treat each other a little more calmly when discussing... Me: You've been on the internet, buddy, you know that's not how it works. I don't even have a horse in this race because I haven't played the games or seen the show and even I've been caught up in the crossfire for questioning people's stances or why they have them because I'm assumed to be hostile opposition rather than genuinely just curious about their thought processes. Because the internet always assumes you bear hostile/troll intent and reacts accordingly.
Well if I remember right the Enclave was studying alien tech, and there was a battle on the moon, so why not, could have been that they prepared for living on other planets.
One great shout back to the first game (Fallout) that hit (and was missed by all of you) was the the guy saying the water chip had failed and nobody gave a shit, even though it was the original premise for the first Vault Dweller to leave their vault
Re Boutella's acting - I've seen people praising her in things they've seen, but every time it's been for her supporting roles. It could be that she's just not a leading actress. From what I've seen of her Rebel Moon performance in Disparu's reviews, she has absolutely no main character energy. Re having to clarify what being a Star Wars fan means since there's so much crap now- I've taken to heart a comment Gary made that Disney SW is off brand SW, heh. And it can strongly be argued that, with de-canonizing the so-called EU, they've really created 2 versions of SW. So in my case as a SW fan it means pre 2012, even if I don't like everything (like the prequels).
Assassins Creed movie was the first to be apart of the continuity and not just adapting the source material. There is even references to the events and characters of the movie in AC origins.
It's really funny to me that mauler defended the return of Gandalf even though a lot of the lore behind that is not in the movies however he would constantly criticise dune for basically doing the same thing... Hmmm odd? 🤔
@@ClassicSteveI'm just pointing out the double standards of judging the media he likes and the ones he doesn't. Gandalf somehow returned is basically what happens and it's addressed in a couple of lines. If this is acceptable then the emperor's return in TROS is also acceptable.
We'd need a more specific example for Dune to really compare. Like, if it's understanding how the Spacing Guild play into everything and how that's Paul's leverage over the Emperor (which the movie doesn't go into AT ALL), that can affect how invested you're in in the entire story; whereas whether or not Gandalf is a magic man who can reincarnate doesn't really make our break Sauron VS Gondor's power levels. Knowing MauLer, I think his deal-breaker is the characters being intuitive. In LOTR you know exactly what Gandalf wants, what he's afraid of, and what he's aiming for; and you know exactly what Sauron wants, what Sauron's afraid of, and what his limitations are that he needs to work around. Since you got all that, you can get away with a lot more out of the story at least on the intuitive level, even if the magic system and exact lore are kept largely off-screen. The issue with Dune here is it's not entirely clear who the Harkonnens are afraid of (it's not the Emperor), it's not clear why spice is such an urgent thing to get under control, and it's not clear what exactly is keeping the Harkonnens from nuking the Fremen from orbit (it's not the Emperor); and without that context, it's a lot harder to get a read on what Stilgar has to worry about, and what Baron's limitations are; it feels more like "The Harkonnens haven't found them yet because the plot says so", which MauLer tends to be dissatisfied with. Even though Gandalf coming back is out of left field, we still have a basic understanding that he is limited to regular human means of travel, he clearly communicates to us what he is and isn't able to foresee. And same with Sauron; even though it's never explained if he even has a body or not, we have that basic understanding that Sauron's armies are stopped at the river, and that Sauron's spirit is very vulnerable right now and that he's overcompensating for his fears by amassing as many armies as possible and doing everything he can to keep his enemies from uniting. We may not know all the geography but we know why everyone is doing what to whom and what's taking them so long to do it. LOTR made sure that was communicated to the audience and left intact even with the changes. I don't think Dune is a bad adaptation by any means, but this particular issue seems to be where it loses people when it does. It's an interesting comparison for sure, neither are without their issues.
@@chasehedges6775 You *think* it’s a good movie because you like it, and it’s okay to like. The second once is generally regarded as the worst of two bad movies.
