"Make-product-look-good-so-konami-gives-revs-more-free cards" ahh reaction💀 Btw this isn't hate towards revs at all, he's working with what he's got lol
Yeah, this set costs only slightly more than what I paid for my 2nd Zeus and that was without needing postage - if I needed to pay that this box would be cheaper.
@@aasgier9091 The zeus in this set would be way cheaper than the one you bought. You could easily just buy the single off somebody for even less than the set.
nice extra deck reprints, would be nice if they had like power-up packs included edit: wish the decks weren't random pile and at least have some archetypal strategy like the OCG Structure Manga
Amongst the hundred of negative comments, I'll say that I think it's a cool product. Idk why people expected it to be a reprint gold mine for already active players. Kinda missing the point. This is much, much better than any STARTER deck printed before.
No its not, its like 10% better than previous starters since they wrote the unwieldy rulebook into a zoomer friendly comic, it doesnt fix the issue that the rulebook is horribly incomplete and doesn't prepare the new player at all for the modern game. There are so many crucial interactions in yugioh that are very unintuitive and you just gotta know about them. If konami actually wanted to help new players then they would make a structure deck reprint of an old meta deck that is still tier 2-3 and get pro players to write a guide that they can put in the box. Instead konami pretends like its still 2002 and normal monsters, tribute summoning, defense position or the battle phase hold a lot of relevance.
I think a lot of the current playerbase is forgetting something key, the whole point of this set is to ease new players into the game and give them some cards that can be helpful long term, case in point Daigusto, Castel, and Zeus. Two generic rank 4's and an easy rank 12 quick effect board nuke. This is good for those younger audience members that didn't grow up watching the series. And lets be honest here, the metagame today is so hyperoptimized it makes it impossible for casuals and newbies to play at all. People like that and existing "pro" playerbase want two entirely different things with the game. The current playerbase wants reprints of high tier deck essentials, meanwhile casuals just want something they can mess around with their friends with. I've seen both, and the latter seem to enjoy the game a lot more than the former. I think a lot of people have forgotten stuff like this is supposed to be fun, not a contest to see who can blow more money than the other and get blessed by the gacha gods on their card pack pulls.
2 Player Starter Set; Set 1) Kashtira VS Mannadium (XYZ x Synchro) Set 2) Scareclaw VS Tearlaments (Link x Fusion) - Meta Relevant. - Cheap Reprints. - Within Lore. Chuck in some actual staples and boom, sells like hot cakes and new players aren't going to walk into Locals, get instarekt and leave - never to return again.
@@paleasaghost-5799 Because that would be like teaching your grandfather how to speed run Mario 64 when he hasn't ever played a video game let alone used a controller
This is actually the second scripted duel in recent years the 2015 starter deck was able to be split into 2 20 card decks and gave players a script to follow for the first few turns
Honestly, from a beginner perspective, this isn't bad depending on the price. Magic the Gathering has its own starter deck sets and those sell decently, especially with the code to scan the decks into their app. It WOULD have been great if this product came with either dedicated power-up packs or a mega pack from last year. I can't wait to see how this improves over the years!
@@darkwyngraym Yu-Gi-Oh will always be my first tcg love, but Magic and its easy customization for deck building (especially for EDH/Commander) is what truly got me into deck building.
People are massively misunderstanding what this product is supposed to be. It's a scripted beginner tutorial for people who don't know anything about the game, not properly constructed decks for standard play. I've attempted to teach Yugioh to my family members via very basic Speed Duel decks, and even that proved too much of a struggle, so I understand why they made it. This seems like it's going to be pretty good at what it's supposed to do.
And you're massively misunderstanding the actual issue. This doesn't teach anyone how to play yugioh, it teaches someone how to play random yugioh cards. People might pick this up, play the decks, then expect a similar experience in actual modern yugioh, get stomped and subsequently stop playing the game forever. This doesn't help anyone. Master duel has the same problem. Konami never learns.
Nah, this will sell, but it will be a salamangreat structure deck situation where people buy it, take out the Zeus, maybe the dd crow, the visas and the prime heart, and bin the rest
@@endeav0r_49 Wasn't the salad structure a pretty good starting point for building salad though which I believe was a metaish deck at the time of release?
Actually really like this product. Ive tried in the past to get some friends who have never played a tcg into yugioh and it was difficult. I made two decks which played similar to something from goat format cause i thought that it would be easier for them to learn the game except it wasnt they were still confused and overwhelmed.
Too bad you can only play these decks exclusively against each other because those main decks are so unplayable that you will curb stomp them if they want to play against any other deck than those 2 to the point they won't want to play again
@@iXSIKOBOIXi To elaborate on what he said here: The Main deck of these 2 decks would loose to common decks which were played back in 2005. These decks release 18+ years out of date ...
I will be able to grab around 10 cards i want and like for 20 bucks instead of only Zeus with 20 bucks fine by me thanks konami keep up the great work, you just saved me around 10 euros at least!
As a true beginner product with the scripted duel I think this works , BUT it’s going to be a huge miss if konami doesn’t put out some kind of intermediate/advanced skill version of this product This teaches a person how to play the game and interact with their opponent, but it doesn’t teach them how archetypes works or how to sequence their moves. You can say structure decks fill this role but I’ve seen many people struggle with piloting them “correctly”
Agreed the next product in this line needs to be fusion vs links and teach new players how archetypes work and how basic combos work. Then they need to work on making locals more new player friendly. One idea would be to do rental tournaments similar to master duel. This would allow for Konami to determine the power of each deck. They could also mark the cards as rental and not allowed in any duel outside those events to discourage stealing the cards
I imagine that the second set is something along the lines of "Fusion (Branded/Aleister/Machine stuff) vs Link (Scareclow [Basic Mini core])" to supplement these decks
I kinda wouldn’t mind picking up one of these just to have decks for my friends that are new to dueling. The decks themselves don’t appear to be great but I guess that doesn’t matter to a new player.
I expect not many people in the community who already play to be interested in this, unless they plan to introduce the game to acquaintances, but it’s a nice product to have for basics!
It has a couple of cards that can be used in edison, and tbh, edison is a really good and cheap format to teach someone the game. Also zeus reprint letsgo
This realistically could definitely be better, it should have four decks as opposed to two one for each of the primary extra deck mechanics, and maybe I’ll throw a bone and say 6 so you can do Pendulum and Rituals. In the flip side, for what it is as an introductory point, it’s really not that bad.
It feels very odd that they left out Link Summoning. I know both decks focus on one kind of ED Summon Mechanic, but Link Summoning feels integral to the modern game. I guess its just so common at this point Konami is constantly behind the player base in terms of keeping up on newer things to their own game, i.e. OTS Packs and Ban List changes. But they are always there to gate keep the rarities on modern cards you need for good decks!
Links had it own starter decks years ago. Then pends had its own starter deck before that and so on. Guess it is impossible to teach everything in one starter deck.
as a new player, i would be more interested if it had a proper rulebook. i wanted to print something to have as a reference while playing and its insane that I had to consolidate several articles and a rulebook.
Everyone acting like this product was supposed to be a Structure Deck with the negativity, but this product is supposed to be literally a TUTORIAL for the game. Not even starter deck level, but TUTORIAL level. If someone told me I can learn a whole new TCG from scratch, have some decent staples, reprints that people want (zeus, coral dragon, daigusto emeral, visas etc. etc.), and a potentially playable deck? For only $20? Sure why not try it out
Yes its a tutorial, but its not good. It teaches you a game that doesnt exist and you will subsequently lose every game you play until you sit down, do hours of research online to actually learn the modern game at which point you couldve easily just gotten the info that these decks provide you online as well. Synchro and XYZ summoning are not the reason why yugioh is hard to get into, its the million of small rulings that arent listed anywhere but are necessary to play and play against many decks, the complexity of combos in every archetype, even simple interactions like "MST doesnt negate" are not often covered by these beginner products.
Well, for actually teaching the absolute basics of the game, it’s ok. But it seems like it’s practically impossible for Konami to make a deck that’s playable out of the box.
@sirthorodos3012 Yes, the past few have been better, but the fact that you have to buy three is stupid in and of itself, since the structure decks for games like Pokémon and MTG are complete with only one. As I said, it’s not playable out of the box.
@@astercat49you act like the playable-out-of-the-box mtg/pokemon structures aren't $30/40 on their own. It's no different from buying 3 $10 yugioh structures.
@johnnickfanaccount3492 While it isn’t different cost-wise, it is still different. The fact that you have to buy three of a product just to be able to make something remotely playable is stupid. It would genuinely be better if the structure decks were designed as a one and done deal where you get the full deck with one purchase. That would also cut down on the garbage filler that takes up the majority of slots in structure decks.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 The issue is that new players don't know to buy 3. They buy 1 play it and find out that its bad. Same thing with this product it teaches you a format that couldnt be further from real yugioh if it tried. All of the learning experience for yugioh is dumped onto the players and the new players ability to look up info online when every other card game has relatively good tutorials.
Seriously. On one hand, its a good showcase of the common mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh! for people who dont even know the basics. On the other hand, the only "plus" are the miniscule Meta reprints. Which only are worth it, if the set is dirtcheap. I think its a good start for bloody newbies, but they could have done so much better.
I see what they're doing in teaching the basics to more advance. But still a little misleading to how the game is actually played. But I do like the uniqueness of the product.
OK I'm definitely picking this up. So many nostalgia cards, that new art Dark Magician, it's like a love letter to Yu-Gi-Oh! throughout the ages whilst focusing on newer extra deck methods. I think a second one that focuses on Fusions and Links would be quite nice, I love fusion one of the better game mechanics. Love the scripted duel format something I've always like for beginner focused sets. Would love to unbox and even do the duel for my channel.
Oh nice! We've got the old staples in here ..that's always nice to see The 65th common printing of it There was minor nostalgia here ...already have an ultimate rare giga brilliant so ..might enjoy the ultra version .... Zeus is the only card here I haven't got ...just brought prime heart like a week ago 😐
imo the two things this is missing is a) another product that adds a bridge between the base game mechanics and the complexity of the modern game b) similar products for links/fusions/penulums
Not sure why everyone is complaining so much. This is clearly intended for new players learning the basics, not for experienced players. TCG is getting like a dozen product releases over the next couple months. Not every single one has to be aimed at veteran players. People also complaining that there is no synergy with the cards and no single coherent archetype but forget that this is literally how yugioh was played until 07/08. The game is complicated af, no new players wants to open a traptrix structure deck, spend dozens of hours learning the complexities of the modern game, and then get rolled by mannadium at locals. This gives new players a slow, gradual way of learning the game. Starting hand being vanillas can first teach levels, normal summons/sets, atk and def stat, battling. Then later in the scripted duel they learn effect monsters, spells, traps, etc. I actually really like this idea, but might be too late unfortunately. Barrier to entry for yugioh is already absurdly high, but still a nice effort of blending new and old cards for a new player experience. I still think speed duels, rush duels, or very gradually learning/playing goat then Edison then modern method is the best
I think is a regular product, I expected more handtraps mininum veiler, it would be better with more recent cards or mechanics including Link and Pendulum, the gap between a beginner to intermediate player is very big
I'm only considering it just to get Zeus, Primeheart, and Emeral. There are others in there I want, but it's mainly for those 3. Personally this is okay for folks who just want to started and get a Zeus. Because as a reminder folks, Zeus is like 20 if you're buying it off direct in TCGPlayer and Emeral hasn't had a reprint in a while, so a guarantee on both is good.
Let's not act like Zeus doesn't go down to like $5 after getting a guaranteed pull reprint here and you can just buy that rather than wasting your money on this set. And primeheart and emerald are change bro
These decks are legitimately unplayable outside of a scripted duel. There’s no synergy packed in here, only (at most) pairs of cards that MAY work well together, not even mentioning the fact that the majority of these cards are garbage on their own, that wouldn’t even fly in playground yugioh circa. 2007. Sad but not unexpected. Expect Zeus to be extremely pushed by vendors who bought cases of this product and can’t sell anything else from it.
People out here saying people who don't agree with this product are missing the point are the ones that are actually missing the point. It's the same Master Duel tutorial scenario where they're trying to get people into playing YGO only for them to drop the game immediately after getting handtrapped to oblivion and being like "WTF just happened???" If you want new people playing Yu-Gi-Oh, teach them MODERN yugioh. All this does it try to teach people how to play within the early 2000s timeframe while attempting to get away with it because they teach you how to Zeus your opponent. This is frigging scripted, they will be walked through the duels, it's not like they will have to come up with strategies by themselves. There's a bunch of Normal Monster crap that has been left in the dust forever now and I can't for the life of me wrap my head around the fact that you need to have something scripted in order to have poeple learn what Normal Monsters and their interactions are and what they can(not) do. They don't freaking matter!? Phew. I feel much better now. Bye
Not really honestly. I feel that for the purpose of teaching the game, this does a good job. It's just too dumbed down and starts from literal zero, but it's okay
people are kinda missing the point here. as a starting point this is brilliant. if you wanna introduce someone to the game, you buy them this and go from there. no need to come up with nonexistent sealed formats and teach them every mechanic step by step. buy this, play a few games together. and then depending on how big the interest becomes, you move to structure decks or edopro
Everyone hating on this because it doesnt have any good cards besides zeus kinda missed the point of it. It looks like they picked a wide variety of stuff to try and show players some of the more common interactions in the game without getting overly complicated. I think guiding new players through a scripted duel is probably a better approach than expecting them to sit down read a rule book and just play on their own. I like the idea, wether or not it truly works has yet to be seen. Because not only does the product have to teach the basics but it has to be compelling enough to hook the new player in. I guess the hope is they get sucked in at the end of the duel, realize they dont have much replayability here with the included decks and then take a step up with 3 structure decks. The bigest issue i see is this product seems to rely on 2 new players learning together. If you have a friend that has some interest, youd probably just build them a quick deck to play with and teach them yourself. I think if this product isnt too expensive it would be an ok product for a total beginner. It all comes down to the MSRP
They could've had a scripted duel using cards actually do things tho. The moment those decks are shuffled, they wont do anything. Most of the reprints would've been bad a decade ago. This doesn't get anyone into the game, this doesn't teach anyone how it's played, it just walks them through a tour of all the game's mechanics
Magic the Gathering had a scripted 2 player starter set before, not TCG but in the world of models War machine/Hordes had a 2 player set that did a scripted duel for MK3 (3rd Edition)
People complain because this doesnt do that. This teaches people to play fantasy goat format in 2024. If konami wanted a simpler product to teach people the basics they couldve made this an edison product with reprints relevant to that format while also giving players a competent deck that can be played there without affecting the modern yugioh market.
There is literally nothing in here unless you play Common Charity. Eldlich and Visas Starfrost might add some neat stuff to do in that format but this is literally a $20 box containing a Zeus that was already $15 and therefore will not drop the price. 10/10 product Konami. Can't wait for the follow-up Metal Gear NFTs followed by the 276th Castlevania pachinko machine.
This honestly seems like a pretty good way to be introduced to the game if you don’t want to watch RU-vid for hours on end and get smoked at a couple locals tourneys. Pretty good reprints, DD crow, dark hole, cosmic cyclone, book of moon, are pretty solid and zeus is huge
"DD crow" Which allready has 4 reprints in common worth 0.15-0.50€. "dark hole" Has tons of reprints and goes for as low as 2 cents. "cosmic cyclone" Another 2 cent card with tons of reprints. "book of moon" Another 2 cent card. Face it: even the "good reprints" are just outdated trash that has been reprinted ten times over. The only worthwhile card is Zeus and even that is a streach. You get one card worth 10€ and a stack of garbage that adds up to maybe 2€, for 20€. And if people buy that, then they support the scummy practice of shortprinting cards and bundling up reprints together with heaps of trash.
Agreed. The only saving grace is that if you buy Traptrix, buying this adds actually a fair bit of your side- and Extra Deck. Castel isn't the best but he's not the worst either, access to a cheap-ish Zeus, D.D. Crow, Night Beam and MST are better than 'nothing' in your Side Deck, same for Dark Hole and Eldlich. If this product isn't going to make the price of Zeus drop - and I don't think it will - this product essentially caps the price of Zeus at whatever this two player set is going to be sold for since the stores will have this in stock for a while. That being said, if I wanted to make a scripted duel box and would have to put in random garbage, I'd start looking for random garbage that is unreasonably expensive and desperately needs a reprint. Some Edison staples come to mind (Magical Android? Thunder King Rai-Oh?) but I'm sure there's some random crap that costs far too much and wouldn't do any harm in a set like this and would have made the product so much better. Even Rai-Oh isn't that much of a threat since you can put in a 2000 ATK Normal Monster or an equip spell to kick over it.
Hopefully are next two Starters Decks from Konami will be announced for being A Ritual Summoning Extra Deck, and also A Fusion Summoning Extra Deck for the Next Beginners Starters Two Decks Yugioh Set Please Please Konami and also Yugioh TCG Please!
Considering Konami designed this product for those who want to start playing yugioh from scratch, i think it's okay. Like sure i get why people are complaining how both decks are full of unplayable cards and how they could've done a better job (which i agree), but you have to keep in mind new players would get instantly turned off by the sheer amount of shit they would have to learn right from the get go. That being said, i'm still going to buy the product because i desperately need a copy of Zeus and Coral Dragon.
Instead new players still have to learn about all that stuff that konami hid from them and they will instead quit after their first real duel against a meta deck.
"but you have to keep in mind new players would get instantly turned off by the sheer amount of shit they would have to learn right from the get go. " Expecting new players to learn the concept of a handtrap is not that out of place. Kuriboh was released in 2002. And the concept of a synergy between types or multiple special summons is just as old. Remember flute of dragon summoning? You can EASILY teach new players these mechanics with cards that are still relavent today. I doubt new players will have a problem understanding effect veilor, Bottomless Traphole, Imperm, Evenly Matched, Solemn Judgement or Nibiru. I equally doubt that new players will have a problem with Lavagolem, Kaijus or a small Scrap engine. Those are not expensive. They are not complicated. They are still used in a variety of decks.
they couldn't have put in more than 3 playable cards in the 2 decks? I'm sure this scripted duel thing will teach the basic mechanics, but no one is learning how to play the game or how cards work together with outdated random "good" stuff
Prayers before I watch the video: Please dont be bulk please dont be bulk please dont be bulk Edit:Its.....dogshit just awful worse than buying one structure deck and playing with just that,at this point get 3 fire king structure decks and play dont waste money on this disapointment
@@curlyfriesmack2710 i cant understand why reprinting cards will make the values go up.... if anything the values go down as supply increases. maybe original zeus retains some value, but even then i doubt it. unless i am missing something....?
@@VojvodaSloboda it’s going to go down, but not by much. They’re putting a good card in a really bad set, which means the only reason to buy it is for Zeus, or to learn of course, so the product could be $20 for example, and Zeus could be 15-16. Does that make sense?
The older ones the Normals was the ones with the Highest Stats inlcuded. But they picked DM/GX ones here just to get older players back in. Why not just put those cards but make newer stronger version of them so a like 1500 def new Normal Ojama. This gets more to want the product because it includes new cards too I mean older starter deck did this.@@ClarkieReidri
I preordered this set because I thought all those cards on the box indicated that there will be like 8 different archetypes and u get 2 per box so you kinda order and hope for some good decks Honestly that would be so much cooler than whatever this is
This is a scripted beginner tutorial product, not a powerhouse constructed deck. I would be criticising all structure decks significantly more than this for not being good in standard play out of the box.
Fair. But yes, i do mean most of the structure decks if not all of them. Compared to other TCG's Yugioh has the worst structure decks right out of the box@@AcroxShadow
@@AcroxShadow "This is a scripted beginner tutorial product" ... that does not work outside of scripted duels ... "not a powerhouse constructed deck." ... which will stomp these 2 decks even when picking structure decks from 2017. Despite this deck being bad by the standarts of 2008, I will ignore that and toss in the non sequitur of: "I would be criticising all structure decks significantly more than this for not being good in standard play out of the box." There. I completed your comment. Don't tolerate Konami selling worthless trash to new players just because of a single okayish reprint.
