35 years for me. Today is my first time ever seeing an engine with this type of starter. I've seen 6V, 12V, 24V, pup engines and air starters. But never seen a spring starter before. Nothing in the red seal curriculum and justifiably so because for the most part, these don't exist. Maybe military applications... dunno - worked on lots of coast guard engines and LAV's none had this.
@@SuperDirk1965 I attended Bates Technical College for Diesel and Heavy Equipment Repair in Tacoma, WA, USA. I went for 2 years. I passed at the top of my class. Seen plenty of air starters and of course direct and gear reduction electric starters and pony motors. The course covered marine, generator, construction, and road. It covered gasoline, propane, natural gas, and of course diesel. I’ve worked for a Caterpillar dealer, a school district, and on multiple marine cargo termnials. I’ve never seen one of those starters. So maybe it was basic in your program but it wasn’t covered in mine. 🤷♂️ I’m not sure what else to tell you.
This is in my opinion a very good idea that should be adapted to 4x4s that do rough country trecking where there are no way to start the engine if the batteries run flat due to using it to run night camp lights. 🙂👍
Yeah it seems like a clever emergency device. Like compression/push start but for when you can't get it going fast enough this would be the bees knees.
Exactly what im here for. Researching for that exact purpose of incorporating it to my expedition vehicle. I know a manual transmission works too but moving the rig isnt always an option by yourself in the boonies.
I saw and worked on these diesel engines on hd41 bulldozer and many other machinery in nort pole during the 70. Some had air startors. .some spring startors and some électric startors. It all depend of the startor location . Whent the temperatures were minus 30, the spring startor were very efficient.
honestly i want one of these as a back up starter for my truck. just run an extrention for the crank through the inner fender wall like a lowering crank for a spare tire does with the rear bumper, and make the starter lever a hole with a hex key slot. all you'd need would be a tire iron to crank it, and a special rod with a 90 degree turn and a hex key at the end, like an awning pull rod. not hard to come by. then, never worry about starting a truck if the battery goes dead ever again.
I've seen pneumatic accumulators on old USCG cutters. As I recall it took hours to pump enough pressure to turn over a 12 cylinder engine, but it was better than nothing if your electrical power was out.
@@rickyjohnson4717 Oh man, I remember those. Endless cranking hoping this time will be the one. We had a rope starter, which seemed more straightforward to me.
We had one, Kirby-Lawson was the make if I remember correctly back in the 60s /70s Australia and the motor was a mustard type yellow. You'd start winding with one hand but soon be using both as the spring loaded up. The handle was hinged, unfold to extend to wind up and fold it before starting.
One of the first basics on using a combination spanner ( Wrench in the US )..... Only use the open end when you cannot get the ring end on...... That means try the ring end first, but at least he didn't use mole grips I suppose.
I wonder how long one of these suckers lasts. I could see using it as a regular starter if it had a gear mechanism to wind the spring slowly as the engine ran until it reached tension. That might make it too complex/expensive compared to a regular electric starter. Not sure if these are only used for massive diesel engines.
Ah, but you would have missed the fact that this engineer uses an adjustable spanner to correctly torque his attachments. Also note that you need to rev up cold engines just after start to keep them healthy.
That is AWESOME! I was going to go with an air starter for my project, but I may have to buy one of your spring starters instead! It may not sound as cool as an air starter, but it would eliminate the need for an air tank, lines, and valves. I can't believe that I've never seen these before :)
I found like 2 or 3 reman air staters I'll be putting them on FB Market Place on 05/14/ 20 in Bryan Tx. I'll price them at $500 or Best Offer if your still looking for one.
Remember these from my days at sea. Trying to start a Lister emergency fire pump most Sunday afternoons. I only wish it had been as easy to start the cold damp Lister as this engine was😀. Great when it worked, I was always grateful that I never had to use the Emergency fire pump for real as I was never confident it was going to start. Still it was a safer way to start the engine than the starting handle in the end of the crankshaft that other small Listers had.
Great idea not far removed from on some WW2 aircraft that were designed to be started with no ground equipment when (fragile) aviation batteries were flat
It's a great idea but what about cold starts or engines that don't fire off that quickly? Or what if you have to replace the fuel filters or injectors and have to spin it over a good bit to get the fuel system primed?
The engine can be barred over with the starter (the mechanic showed that feature in the video) Cold starts: you may end up with several attempts, but that can be quickly done.
These are ideal for remote travellers that may have no back up or occasional use machinery. Awesome. Quiet a change to the old Inertia starters on Tanks and trucks
I'm thinking to myself does this mean we could replace modern batteries with this manual starter? have the electronics run off the alternator while the engine is running? that would be interesting to keep in mind
Dont be fooled. I run my jeep all the time without a battery. Bump start because its a manual and drive it fine. Now, you idiots that bought cars/trucks with too much electronics (read-amenities) or auto transmissions (read- lazy or ignorant) deserve the tow bill.😂
Cold damp starts can be a nightmare. In my experience the starter turns the engine less than a full turn if the engine fires first time it is a great system, but when it fails to start you have to start over again. Most small engines I came across with this system had a “favourite” position to start from and if you were lucky some had painted a mark on the flywheel to give the best chance of starting.
The Spitfire off ww2 had that type of starter, great if it fired on the first try, if not wind the flywheel up again. It took 2 men to get it up to speed
Yes I've worked with Hydro starters on GM 92 series diesels, they have a gear pump on the engine that charges the reservoir while the engine is running. As well as a hand operated pump to charge the reservoir if it loses pressure. Often used in flammable atmospheres like oil rigs or gas fields.
Used these many years ago to start Lister HR3`s and 4`s. They were absolutely useless for the job intended. The type I used had a tendency to jam in the primed position. The amount that had to be sent back to the manufacturers for repair. I believe the starter had to be cast into concrete to take the spring force, this may have been untrue and put out there by the starter manufacturer. To bleed the diesel system there was a lever position that allowed the starter to turn and not prime. After many handle rotations sometimes it would work other times not. I hope the technology has got better.
@CG: not likely, a thief isn't going to take the time to crank one of these things up. And if the engine is cold, it could possibly take multiple attempts.
This starter only works on an engine like the 671 or simmilar. Detroits that are in good condition are famously easy to start and they are two stroke. Show one of these starters working on a 4 stroke diesel.
@@tandemwings4733 From you´r comment i assumed that yuo thougt the lube was in the fuel, like a gasoline twostorke. "There's oil everywhere in it. Nothing's dry" I ment no offense, just trying to be informative.
It wouldn't be much use to me in a -27C frost. The beauty of an electric starter then is you can wind for up to 10 seconds, stop, then begin again. You'd have to rewind this after 2-3 seconds of use, it would be a complete pain in the backside. In summer, it looks like a funky idea.