In an alternative universe where the Kaminoans secretly did not put the inhibitor chips in the clones and Palpatine just ends up making himself look stupid! made with Fakeyou TTS Star wars owned by Lucasfilm
although now non canon, Plagueis is considered to be among the best, if not the best, of the EU works. It links together a few things from several other rule of 2/related books and shows Plagueis and Palpy starting to get it all in motion with deals, betryals and tricks. Pretty good but very political heavy more than action, the audiobook version has some top shelf production you'd think you were listening to the tv
@@TheRustyTigger and it shows how much influence plagueis actually had on the prequels. Palpatine gets all power drunk at the end and claims to have been the mastermind since the start but in the actual book itself there are many pov chapters from palpatines pov and that really doesn't make him seem like the mastermind at all as he claims at the end. My point is that the grand plan as it was executed was mostly just plagueis except for the naboo crisis which was engineered by palpatine but done through connections already established by plagueis. He really is the goat.
"Does anyone knows, for what those chips in the heads of the Clones are good for?" "Um... regulating the heat in their heads while they are in battle? You know, those helmets can be really hot at some times." "Ah, yes. Thank you for the explanation." Later that day: "Contact the Clones. We have to warn them and tell them about the chips, so that those can be removed."
I feel like this would be even funnier if they still had the chips, but they only worked by facial recognition and Palpatine's face was too jacked up for them to recognize him anymore. His decades long plan blows up in his face literally because of his own lightning bolts.
Commander Cody “ yes palpet- wait your not the senator who are you” Palpetine “it’s me now execute order 66” Commander Cody “your not the senator who are you” Random b1 “isn’t that dookus master he always talks about by his self” Commander Cody “ a Sith Lord trooper contact the Jedi order tell them that there’s a Sith Lord in the senator’s office” Random b1” we will call our senators about this” Palpetine” oh shi-“ Credits
Dude melted his own face and screwed himself. Vader tries to round up the 501st and gets stunned while they call Padme (because the marriage is an open secret with the 501st) and go “Hey, the General is losing his shit. Can you come help?” So yeah Anakin talks the shit out, the Clones on Courascant eradicate Palpatine with a barrage of laser fire at his office that he can’t hope to dodge or block, and then the survivors all party for making it out alive
Palpatine, electrocuting Mace Windu: UNLIMITED POWER! Palpatine, realizing that he’s entirely unrecognizable as the Chancellor or as Sidious: …Limited power.
@demodemon8940 I would love to see that conversation. Appo, "trooper go find Senator Amidala immediately and bring her here" as anakin is trying to organize operation Knightfall.
Funnily enough the 501st diaries from the original Battlefront 2 allude to the fact that the Clones knew the entire time that they were supposed to betray the Jedi.
In the clone commando series they were aware of the orders but didn’t think they ever have to do it Heck a few were hesitant Much better than microchips
@@The_Barroth "Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to coruscant, not when order 66 came down, and not when we went into the temple. Not a word." (I think that's the line in BF2)
@@FirestoneAnimation I think there are pros to both IMO. I think Battlefront 2’s lack of inhibitors provided a hauntingly realistic feeling to Order 66. Many times in history people have committed atrocities on mere command, even if they know such acts are wrong or evil, or even if there is no punishment for refusing, humans are vulnerable to submitting to the wills of others. As the clones say “good soldier’s follow orders”. On the other hand the canon route of the inhibitor chips makes the clones far more sympathetic and works for the Clone Wars series especially where the clones are portrayed as having close bonds to their Jedi generals, and it doesn’t make viewers feel like the clones were just faking their loyalty and friendship to the Jedi.
Clone: Alright everybody, lets settle down here since we all are clearly being played by the same person. Lets put our blasters down Droid: Agreed. Cut to end credits
Five seconds later "You know what? F#ck that guy in the bath robe, let's kill him and start a republic where droids and clones have rights!" "F#ck yeah!" (Obi-Wan not getting shot in the back) "Well, I'd best report this to the Jedi Council." (Anakin after Palpatine gets locked up) "TELL ME HOW TO SAVE MY WIFE" (Palpatine, getting choked to death) "UNCLE, UNCLE-" (Mace Windu's Force Ghost) "ENGLISH MUTHAFUCKA DO YOU SPEAK IT"
Battle Droid: Does he tell you to pull back for no reason whatsoever? Cody: All the time! Droideka: And does he leave you in a valley that's basically a shooting gallery with no backup? Rex: Do NOT get me started! Kaminoan Clerk: No, Chancellor - the inhibitors were listed as an option to be pre-installed after finishing the service questionnaire. You didn't? Well, how are we supposed to know how to improve our service if you don't take a few minutes to...
The clerks body was later found, burned beyond recognition by what was later determined to be electricity. At least we think it was the clerk, they went missing and the body was found at their desk, and we know it was at least kaminoan
@@connortg5 Kaminoan Official: Oh No - NOT our help line clerk. If only we had some way of recreating them - ohhhh wait - WE DO! Palpatine: GONNA BOMB YOUR SKINNY NECKS!!!!
I've always found it humorous that Lord Sidious himself contacted commander Cody DIRECTLY. Idk I suppose it makes sense but like...did he go through his contacts list and just like...message every clone commander individually? Lol
He probably contacted a select few, then had a general message for the rest. Still though, I like the idea of him spending hours contacting every single clone commander
I think he contacted Cody first and directly because Obi-Wan was a priority to be taken out, he was the biggest threat to Vader, likewise it looks like he contacted Rex directly too to deal with Ahsoka who was another big threat. Everyone else just got a cut repeated message.
“Actually I just realized something” “What’s that meatbag?” “We’re both slave armies fighting a proxy war for grossly inadequate governments and will in all likelihood be liquidated when this is all over” “Huh… wanna start a slave rebellion?” “I thought you’d never ask clanker” “Yeah that’s our word”
Just turns into the Malevolence arc but instead of "Shadow of Malevolence" and "Destroy Malevolence" we have "Shadow of Sidious" and "Destroy Sidious", lol.
Problem with that is that order 65 needed a clear majority in the senate to be legal, order 66 needed only the GAR's CiC (aka Plapatine) order. Which just went to show how the jedi dropped the ball missing such a glaring issue with the orders wording.
Palpatine on the comm- “What is the meaning of this!? What happened to the inhibitor chips I ordered!?” Lama Su- (glances nervously at shiny new rec room)- “There were…budget cuts.”
They humanized the clones too much for a simple solution. Cuz either way them being bred to just follow orders is just as effective as the chips. Comes across the same issue is that we have clones with distinct personalities and ability to think for themselves. The clone wars made them too human so they needed something that'd work for them to just blindly kill their commanders. Like from what we learned about the wolf pack how close they are to their genral they'd wouldn't kill him without being forced too.
I've always felt like the original concept of clones blindly following orders is a poor idea the inhibitor chips fixed, not the other way around. The whole point of using clones was literally that they can think for themselves and adapt better than droids but are less independent, the Kaminoans say this to Obi-Wan. And Cody very obviously has a personality in ROTS when talking to Obi-Wan. Palpatine had to have a way of guaranteeing the clones would maintain this loyalty throughout however long the Clone Wars took. To be quite honest, I find the inhibitor chips far more believable and simpler to explain than the original idea of simply relying on engineered indoctrination. I can't see Palpatine not opting for a solution that guarantees the clones would obey him when he gave an order, instead of risking the possible chance a vital clone like Cody or Gree straight up refuses his orders because they've grown a conscience during the war or question the legitimacy of the Jedi betraying them.
@@snackeater4990 Not even in the legends universe does it make sense. No matter how brainwashed you are, you’re not going to turn and kill someone you’ve served with for years willingly upon hearing a single order. Clones are human, not droids.
@@NeoDaxtoChief17 Most of the Clones were happy to execute their Jedi Generals. Because the majority of the Jedi were incompetent leaders. Btw both the Jedi and the Senate knew about the order 66 and the other 149 orders. Some clones disobeyed the order tho.
Now I’m genuinely wondering what would happen in this instance. Not just palpatine being revealed to the republic, but how the separatists would react knowing their leader was playing both sides and was planning to to just fold them back into the new empire
Which is why he took power and eliminated the other side to avoid any of it. The Jedi Council were already suspicious of him and once he had the emergency powers, there was nothing the Senate could do. The army was his to command like the dictator he was elected
On EU, Clones would still side with him unless he is removed from command, wich is unlikely since he would make the clones arrest the senate if necessary. He still would shut down the droid army, but separatists leaders would probably find a way to reactive part of it if not killed by Anakin and keep fighting the Empire themselves On Disney canon, Clones get ordered by chip to comply with any Order, and the droid army would still be under Sidious because on the new canon Grievous knows about his identity and the Sith. So he would still serve Sidious with his army and even kill the separatist council himself if ordered to.
@@VandicoupNot just that, but the Seperatists would be able to make stronger droids in larger numbers, because Palpatine prevented them to make too many powerful droids that could end the war too quickly.
When Revenge of The Sith was made the inhibitor chips weren't even introduced yet also remember the inhibitor chips were essentially a recon, it was meant to be that they were just soldiers who follow orders and not being controlled to do it, they had a choice, not all of the clones executed order 66, examples, The Null Arcs, Delta squad, one clone commander who helped smuggle his jedi general off planet during order 66 that I forgot the name of, Omega Squad, Yayax Squad, and probably many others.
I personally don’t like those pre inhibitor chip stories about the clones disobeying the order and helping out the Jedi. It’s just not something Palpatine would let happen. Like order 66 wouldn’t be as tight but of a plan if Palps had to hope that in the almost 4 years of fighting, not a single clone had a change of heart. The fact that he chipped them and forced them to be his slaves no matter what is much darker, and more in line with the master planning of Darth Sidious.
I know this is a meme, but this gives me an interesting idea for a "What if..." story I could write. What if Nala Se (one of the Kaminoans who knew about order 66 the whole time) sabotaged the inhibitor chips? In the clone wars tv show, she ran the clone medical center in the outer rim. When it was attacked she refused to leave because not all of the clones could be taken out. This shows that she cared for the clones and she wouldn't leave any of them to die. I think it would be entirely withing her character to do this, not because she cares about the Jedi but because she would feel bad about manipulating and controlling the clones. The clones wars would progress normally, but Tup wouldn't kill the Jedi Tiplar. This would result in Fives still being alive because he would never have a reason to learn about the chips. That in turn would mean Kix would never try to learn about the chips either and would never be kidnapped so he couldn't tell the Jedi. That's all the ideas I've got for now but if I think it's interesting enough I will definitely write more.
Depending on where and when she altered the chips, there would be wildly different outcomes. If she tampered with the base chip template, then basically all the Clones would ignore Order 66, and Palpatine goes "oh shit..." and probably flees. If she began tampering with Clone chips in Clone heads after being transferred back to Kamino, then you have a patchwork response to Order 66 where younger regiments would not rebel, but older ones would. If she did it from her own medical facility, it's even _more_ chaotic as only certain Clones in certain regiments would be unaffected and you could wind up with Clones shooting each-other in the chaos as the order descends. All of this would/could be in addition to the Tup -> Fives -> Kix storyline disappearing.
I once remember hearing an instreasting fan fic where order 66 fails and cause Palp has to flee the jedi he goes to the sepratists but they find out he has been playing them and refuse to help causing the Republic and CIS to call a cease fire and end up working together to hunt down sidious
It is weird to me that Sidious addresses him as "Cody" when Sidious clearly saw the clones as nothing more than tools for a purpose. It also implies he called each clone leader individually lmao.
The divine rite of kings is deplayed by Palpatine. Unironically, Palpatine cares more for the clones than any republican senator which illustrates the superiority of monarchism over democratic and republican regimes. Palpatine knew each commander and gave them their orders for the utmost respect and secrecy
@@snackeater4990 Most of the Clones hated their Jedi Generals, because they were incompetent and many troopers died because of them. Clones were happy to execute the order. Also every Contingency Orders were known by both the Jedi and the Senate. The whole retcon chip fiasco was a stupid idea.
People forget that George doubled down on the clones. The Kaminons mentioned they are raised to follow orders. In the book version of the Revenge of the Sith, it is mentioned that Palpatine has made himself head of the army, for reasons of bringing the war to a swift conclusion, something like that. Meaning he suddenly became the overall commander of ALL clones, who, raised from birth, must follow orders. Also, note that Palpatine always called clones close to the Jedi, who were supposedly in charge of the clones. It is logical that the clones surrounding Jedi would be the Clone Commanders, NOT rank and file. Thus following the chain of command. Except not using the Jedi, of course
Honestly the Clones in legends weren't actually in on it. In Legends the Clones were just as surprised by the order as everyone else, Battlefront 2 is the only bit of Legends lore where the Clones secretly want to kill all the Jedi. It's one of those one off bits of lore that writers just ignore for either being dumb or contradicting other lore, like when Dooku inexplicably became racist in the ROTS novelization despite almost exclusively teaching aliens and working almost exclusively with aliens and being taught almost exclusively by aliens.
the alternative timeline where the jedi manage to secretly remove the inhibitor chips along with some of the kaminoans after both parties learn that lord tiranius is count dooku and thus suspect the chip has a darker plan in store then acting as a contigancy device
In the original timeline, before the 2008 TCW series aired, there were no chips, the clones were just heavily indoctrinated to the extreme and the Clones knew that it was extremely likely that they were going to kill the Jedi. Even the Jedi knew of order 66 because it was a set of contingency plans everybody knew and considered fair, about 66 orders, with order 1 being protect the ideals of the Republic, to order 65 being to execute the Chancellor, to order 66 being executing the Jedi.
I love the gag where he accidentally says 65 instead of 66. (Naturally, he can't order them after he gives the 65 order, because he's not in their chain of command anymore.)
@@Sorain1 he cant order 65 anyway, as he is not one of the authorized partys to grant the order. There are specific limitations and regulations on who could issue what order under what circumstances also it wasnt "about 66" it was 150!!!!! everything from disposing your comlink to reducing a world to cinders if they colaborated with the enemy, Corellia for example would have been a target for that order of they decided to defect and recapturing was considerd impractical, as the shipyards falling into enemy hands was considerd worse then obliterating the entire civilisation on it
Lama Su: "Wait, they want inhibitor chips to allow the soldiers to follow any orders of a single individual? Uh... That could mean our products are turned against us... Yeah no... We'll pretend we actually did it."
How it would be in reality if the chips did not exist: - Commander Cody, now is the time to execute order 66. - Yes my lord. *comlink mute sound* -Kill him! If there were no chips, nothing would have changed, the absolute majority of the clones were loyal to the Republic and would have complied with order 66.
I have just understood... That Palps had to call each respective clones commander separately. I always thought that he just called whole Grand Army at once, but as here he was speaking TO CODY directly (I was missing this till now!), it indicates he was passing that order over to EACH COMMANDER. Wow, a busy day he had, not strange he lost his voice.
The Clones already knew, especially the ones who fought in Felucia. They were grateful to have worn helmets because they couldn’t bear to look at Aayla Secura in the eye.
I imagine one of the Droidekas just rolling up and charging straight for the nearest bus to roll into his office and proceed to destroy him, like the droid’s namesake.
Of course, individuals literally growing up fighting alongside a specific set of individuals betraying them in an instant. Very grounded I’d say yes very grounded in reality.
@@mridp7695 the thing is, originally they weren't as close to the Jedi. In fact most didn't like them. Except a few who gave the Jedi a merciful death. They were clones made for this purpose it'd make sense.
@@thephoenix4093 While I like how dark battlefront portrayed Order 66, I prefer the chips tbh. It fits much better with how the clone wars portray the Jedi and the clone's relationship. NGL though, it's pretty metal to think that the clones followed the order entirely out of loyalty and indoctrination to the republic though, even if the republic was turning into the Empire right in front of their eyes.
What to know why George called it Order 66. Did he create the 150 contingency orders when making this film? Was the inhibitor chip in mind when making this? Seriously, what was he thinking?
There were actually many other orders that appear in comics. But then again those, like so many other things in star wars, were made after the movies based on a minor detail george lucas just put in there because he thought it was cool
Inhibitor chip is a made up thing in TCW to prevent crying babies to get their heart broken when their favorite clonetrooper turn to evil. Back in the good old days clonetroopers were just bad guys manipulating the jedis
It wouldn't make sense for clones under Obi-Wan, Ahsoka (and a few other jedi) to turn against them if not for the chips The whole point of the clones was that despite them being manufactured and ordered around like the droids, they still have some sense of freedom and personality Without the chips, they would've been no different from the droids
Perhaps in this timeline someone managed to remove/destroy the chips in clones ' heads, but there's always the problem with Anakin 's being corrupted by darkness....oh well, Padme can always count on her family, also if widowed, given the massive firepower needed to terminate both Siths.
Look Anakin just needs some sleep, He went through all of Episode 3 and before without any sleep, using meditation techniques to keep him going. His decision making and rational thought took a huge hit.
The problem with the inhibitor chips vs the old legends continuity is that everyone gets wrapped up in what we as the audience know vs what the characters know. The clones don't know that Palpatine is evil, he's the supreme commander of the military. He says the Jedi have betrayed the Republic by invoking order 66. The clones obey because their duty is to the Republic. Yes they'd likely have reservations but they've put it aside before to commit atrocities, so many war crimes in TCW, what's one more atrocity. Inhibitors are a cop-out that turns clones into fancy droids. Ironically the former solution would be far easier to write in surviving Jedi and clones who turn their back on the empire.
So, there’s a lot of discussion about whether or not the chips are a good addition for Star Wars or not. So here’s my two cents. If the clone units are passed from Jedi to Jedi like we see happen to the 501 in Battlefront II, then the chips probably aren’t needed. However, if the clone units are assigned to specific Jedi, then the chips ARE needed. They would be needed because at least SOME of the clones would become close to their Jedi and know that they care about their men. That would result in the clones being loyal to their Jedi enough that they would refuse to execute Order 66 without at least some evidence.
before the Clone Wars, there was no inhibitor chips. The Clone Troopers were just loyal soldiers, following orders. Which was WAY more terrifying. They turned on their generals without needing anything to prompt them.
I remember in the old canon the battalion assigned to Aalay Secura hated her and where waiting for the day order 66 came because they always got the shitty deployments in the most hostile planets.
I adore the Clone Wars show, but I've always felt fairly disappointed with the inhibitor chips. In a show constantly hinting at the failures of the Jedi, and the complexities of war, making the Clone betrayal of the Jedi as simple as "There was a chip that made them do it" was boring and made the event much less impactful. The way it stands, the Clones were wonderful Jedi allies who were forced to betray them because a chip made them do it. Without the chip, you could have gotten vastly more interesting, complex story lines. Some of the Jedi were allegedly fairly cavalier with Clone Trooper lives. The Clones were, overall, absolutely loyal to the Republic and the Chancellor. Imagine a plot line where, instead of a chip telling them to betray the Jedi, troopers like Cody got a message telling them the Jedi had betrayed the Republic and attempted to murder the Chancellor. That the Jedi were now considered enemies of the Republic and had to be exterminated before they could overthrow the democracy. Forced to choose between the Jedi generals and the Republic and Supreme Chancellor, the unquestionably loyal Clones support the Republic. It could have added many complex layers. The Clones have to live with their decisions. Maybe some regret it and wish they'd decided otherwise. Others feel their hand was forced. Others that the Jedi were traitors and never doubted their choice for a second. Remember what pong krell did to the clones? Or the conflict of Rex. What if he'd been among the 501st attacking the Jedi Temple with Anakin, but split from them at the end of his own free will? Rex, who was always loyal to Anakin, and a close friend, breaks from him and flees. How does he feel about it? Does he feel he did the right thing by betraying Anakin to save the Jedi? Or does he feel he abandoned his Commander and should have stayed loyal? Maybe he struggles with it every day, wondering if he made the right choice. Overall, I feel like the inhibitor chip arc made the story of Order 66 somewhat boring/generic and too black and white. It could have been a fantastic jumping off point for the complexities of mixed loyalties, of following orders, of the failures of the Republic and of the Jedi, of how not only Palpatine's villainy but his charisma and personality led to rigid loyalty among the clones. Everything Disney Star Wars made is a woke uninteresting crap fest! Lucasfilm used to mean something great. When you look who works at Lucasfilm these days no wonder why it's so bad. They legit hire activists. Just write on YT ''The First Star Wars Live Action Clone Trooper Armor!'' It doesn't scream more than blue hair or in this case green hair Twitter pronouns advocate. Long live George Lucas and to the competent employees from before the Disney era.
That's pre 2008's depiction of the clones and is now Legends. Clones were bred to obey orders without question depending on your position. Example would be if a jedi says to spare this guy's life and Palpatine says otherwise, then they would follow Palpatine's orders without hesitation.
I remember that before chips they were simply bred to totally obey any command and that some more special unit clones were bred with more independent thoughts so not all clones conducted the order (like in the novel "Dark Lord. The rise of Darth Vader") I kinda like it, because it reminds me a little bit about ancinet and medieval style warriors like Janisaries or Sardaukar from Dune who would be rised to serve and not question any order.
No, the chips were always stupid af. They were always meant to be sleeper agents designed to follow Palpatine's orders and just in general follow orders they're given. They were modified, incubated, and indoctrinated to be docile. They developed a certain banter and rapport with the jedi because the jedi fostered that as well as they weren't complete robots either lol.
