Original Zora Fast Swim in Majora's Mask 3D

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Majora's Mask 3D has changed a lot of things for the better and improved pretty much every part of the game - with the most notable changes being the dramatically improved graphics.
However, I personally felt that the changes to the Zora swim mechanic actually made the game less fun. Infinite magic (by buying a certain item) isn't a good alternative IMO, as it requires wasting half of the First Day and the Zora barrier noises get tiring anyway. While there are other several controversial changes, that one bothered me the most…
…to the point that last week I decided to spend some time on patching the game code to restore the original Zora fast swim. Well, it took longer than expected, but after staring at the game's disassembly and messing with a debugger during an entire day, I've finally managed to do it :)
This video is a short demonstration of the original Zora fast swim in MM3D.
For more details: / oc_after_a_lot_of_work...

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12 май 2019

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Комментарии : 48

@SpudChickenSaltedChips 3 года назад

This is beautiful. I've looked at this for 5 hours now.

@warningdontread5478 5 лет назад

Please, PLEASE fix Deku Link’s speed, then I could finally come back to this version.

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

Personally, the Deku Link change bothered me a bit, but not as much as the swimming change. I'd still be interested in reverting it, though. Do you know what exactly has changed with Deku Link? I know they've changed stuff and made hopping on water a pain, but I'm not sure what they actually changed. Is it the walking speed, or the spinning acceleration, or the hopping? It's kind of difficult to patch the game, and knowing where to look would help me a lot!

@warningdontread5478 5 лет назад

First of all thank you for taking the time to reply. Second, I realize I haven't thank you for this patch so thanks. As for Deku Link, he's has a laggier transition from walking to running, taking longer than its N64 counterpart. And the hopping loses all momentum you carry from the ground, which you already mention. To be honest, this complains are very minor compared to the Zora swimming, but I've wanted a N64 restoration type mod on this game for the longest time and this is the closest thing to that so I just felt I at least could ask. But whether you do soething else or not, you're already did something great with this mod alone.

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

@@warningdontread5478 You're welcome :) So I'm guessing the problem is with spinning. Hopefully all it will take will be editing some acceleration values in the Deku spinning function... after I manage to find it lol. I'll let you know if I manage to fix it.

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

@@warningdontread5478 Managed to revert the walk acceleration change (0.60 -> 2.00), though the original value still needs to be confirmed. It feels pretty much identical to MM now, but not exactly less frustrating sometimes :p I'll post more details soon.

@warningdontread5478 5 лет назад

@@leoetlino Holy shit, that's awesome. I’m really thankful for taking your time into looking this stuff up man.

@DarkLink1996. 5 лет назад

Also, can you turn the Ice Arrows back to being usable anywhere in the water? It's frustrating to see that you can use it anywhere in Gyorg's room, but everywhere else requires the particle effect to designate that it's freezable

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

It's possible, but it'll likely take me a while before I manage to find where the relevant code and patch it. And I'm not sure how the particle effects are done either... hopefully they are tied to the "is freezable water" state and not separate actors that the developers had to add to the maps manually (and that I would have to remove manually as well).

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

Ugh, looks like they might actually be separate... MM3D has a new actor that people identified as the sparkle effect: i.imgur.com/FzTxBye.png So I'd guess water was made unfreezable except in the GBT boss room, those actors were placed at freezable spots and in normal gameplay you probably end up freezing those actors instead of the water(?)

@DarkLink1996. 5 лет назад

@@leoetlino Hm. It's probably complicated, but is the water in Gyorg's room a different material, or just a property applied to make it freezable? If either of those, you might be able to trick the game into thinking all the water is Gyorg water

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

@@DarkLink1996. Yeah, I'm hoping I can just make the game think all water is freezable by patching the "is boss room water" or "is Gyorg water" (not sure how it works atm).

@riley5722 5 лет назад

**dies from awesomeness**

@sandwich1601 3 года назад

I love everything about this patch. The only thing that'd make it perfect is if it allowed you to swim without holding A - either by tapping A to swim, or holding ZL to slow swim & ZR to fast swim (independent of the A button). As it exists, this patch basically has 4 different ways to toggle swim speed (5 including Barrier). Swimming is where I find myself needing to control the camera the most, but my thumb is occupied.

@kaxoli9106 5 лет назад

you're the best

@gamersinacontainer 5 лет назад

This is amazing!

@DarkLink1996. 5 лет назад

Is the slower swim speed still there, like a button toggle? Or is it just gone completely?

@leoetlino 5 лет назад

Replaced completely. I have a version where you can slow swim by holding the control stick before pressing A, and switch to fast swim by pressing R, but I found that a bit complex and found fast swim easier to control anyway -- even in GBT -- as you can make sharp turns that aren't possible with slow swim.

@bombalisa2724 5 лет назад

BEAUTIFUL

@jzs3963 3 года назад

Beautiful.

@connorplays6263 3 года назад

Will this and the Deku Hopping work on 3ds Action Replay? I'm asking because I'm thinking of getting one

@Nakix4 2 года назад

Gonna patch my game later LMAO TY

@ralphthejedimaster 4 года назад

awesome

@SpideySansGoku2517 5 лет назад

Would it be possibly to make fierce diety link be able to put away his sword or open doors?

@player3617 3 года назад

And attack other baddies

@zachp419 Месяц назад

Bring this back in breath of the wild

@axellink2136 2 года назад

can i apply the patch to a cartridge?

@Truthseeker450 4 года назад

The worst change in remake, no doubt. Also, a excellent remake, with some change debatable (save system, for example) but maybe necessary

@FFanatic222 3 года назад

Changes to the Deku Mask and the Zora Mask were two of my biggest complaints but to me it wasn't enough to ruin the game. I have to defend the 3DS Version of the Saving System because the original method of saving would translate poorly to a handheld. And speaking as someone who grew up with the original and replayed it multiple times across all systems the new Saving System and the Improved Song of Double Time were two of my favorite changes in the Remake. When the Remake was first announced back in the day I didn't want everything 100% copied and pasted from the original and the saving system is actually something I wanted changed. If I want to play Majora's Mask unaltered then that's what the original is for.

@ninjafrog6966 2 года назад

The changes to the twinmold fight are honestly almost as bad as the zora swimming. Twinmold went from a pretty alright fight in the original to one of the worst boss fights in the game because of the fact you now have to use your fists to hit the red one meaning you get hit more unnecessarily and it’s hit counter resets every time it burrows back into the sand, drawing out the fight and making it incredibly tedious

@GOLD_05 Год назад

Creo que el cambio del zora fue para darle más utilidad a la reserva Romani que nadie usaba

@ninjafrog6966 11 месяцев назад

the statue saving is fine being in the game, but they didn’t have to remove the song of time saving entirely, it could’ve coexisted with the statue saving for people that wanted to play the game the original way and just ignore the statues if they want

@Kpengie 8 месяцев назад

@@ninjafrog6966 The Project Restoration mod allows you to save both ways thankfully. Also since this video was released it allows you to toggle Zora Link's speed so you get the fast swimming in the Great Bay but can slow it down for tight corners in Great Bay Temple and the Pirate Fortress. It also changes a lot more to make it closer to the original and basically reverts nearly every change in the game.

@rosahi8362 4 года назад

Is it safe to mod your 2ds/3ds like this?

@leoetlino 4 года назад

Yes

@aki5970 4 года назад

Hey are you still alive? I need a response pls: Would you like to make a ice arrow everywhere cheat code? Or making the inverted song back to 1/3? I know there is a patch to fix things but personally I just dont want all those things changed. I always had 3.5 problems with this game 1. deku 2. zora 3. ice arrow .5 changed fairys/puzzles in some dungeons Please i hope youre still alive...

@leoetlino 4 года назад

Hi, if you want a custom changeset, you'll need to edit Project Restoration's source code and build it yourself. Read the last sections of the readme for more information: github.com/leoetlino/project-restoration#project-structure The changes you mention are **not** doable with cheat codes.

@ernestinewilliams3258 4 года назад

I am so stuck on the moon. Because I can’t swim well enough to jump out off the water. Any help! I started playing OoT doing the quarantine. I have played it about 6 times. I got MMask when it first came out around 5 or 6 years ago. I made it too Stone Temple. Anyhoo after playing OoT I picked MM again. I have made it too the moon. But between the Goron Roll and now Zora swim. I am going crazy. I got the Goron to the moon child. Didn’t get the piece off heart. Any help on the how to swim threw the tunnels. Would really be appreciate. For this grandma.

@leoetlino 4 года назад

Here's a pretty clear guide: www.zeldadungeon.net/majoras-mask-walkthrough/the-moon/#c13_4 (scroll down to "Gyorg child") I recommend holding R to fast swim. Hope this helps!