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I see where you’re coming from, but personally I can’t think of how safi could be even bette- Actually, if they made a custom version of him that’s always in the last phase of his fight the whole time that would be sick as hell Edit: also a black safi with blue energy has a lot of potential but that one’s more iffy

@@FatalisCataclysm but isn't that what he sorta looked like in the very first teaser (5:08)?

@@ultraspinalki11 yeah, but I still think it would be cool to have the normal safi fight, then the extreme always last phase fight as an event quest or smth

Oh yeah definitely. They can still be called that hence my statement at the end. Hopefully we'll get an official name when we get MHWilds in 2025!

to be fair, i don't quite like that bit of lore, why burn knowledge that could prevent or lower deaths ?, often times ignorance will not bring peace, it just causes the reaper to harvest more souls

Not in lore but gemplay

Safi doesn't have connection with Fatalis, Alatreon does.. Fatalis cannot form rivalry with other monsters because they stay away from him the only ones who stood up against him are the hunters.

The Lore Books Quite literally state that Safi'jiiva was designed as a rival to Fatalis! @@davetolentino8973

@@davetolentino8973he’s talking about the world book where it says smth like how safi is the counterpart to fatalis

@@davetolentino8973 You keep saying things like this but you have absolutely no evidence. You're honestly just annoying at this point.

Safi could be a new tier of dragon, something more powerful than previously documented. Or we could just accept that it’s a Black Dragon.

Far from a hot take I see most people preferring Xeno's design even if Safi's the better fight

The sooner we get an official group name for these dragons from Capcom the better. As much as I like Capcom's approach of letting the community "build up" their own naming for these dragons, an official one will always be the better approach

Chances are low but possible, if not in Wilds, in future titles.

God I wish. I'd love to see black Safi as rival to white fatalis.

@@niklaspeter2568 Do that, and base it off of the Safi'jiiva concept art where it has the whiskers and blue Xeno'jiiva-like "hair" on its body.

The problem with that statement is that they never claimed Kulve to be related to Fatalis in any way. The production note on Kulve makes no mention of Fatalis and has next to no relation to it, Safi'jiiva does. All their design notes of Safi has always revolved around a Fatalis like dragon for the New World with a red colour. The red border indicates official records made by the Hunter's Guild (as indicated by the Ecology notes being replaced with Memorandums) as opposed to records created by the Research Commission. This is something they played with by claiming most of the notes made for Alatreon and Fatalis are delivered as official letters as opposed to notes made by the Research Commission themselves. When you go through the backpages of the book where they note down the recurring events in Iceborne, they put the Alatreon and Safi'jiiva notes under the same page to indicate the events happened in the New World then made a two page spread to document Fatalis in the Old World. More than happy to share those details as even though I can't fully read Japanese, I can still get the gist of things via translators and can always corroborate it with those who speak Japanese (:

Alatreon is a western dragon Fatalis is supposed to be a fusion of western and Eastern dragons(becomes much more obvious with White Fatalis)

During its introductory livestream, the devs emphasized Safi as the adult form. At best, it may have an arch-tempered state, but so far as the lifecycle goes Safi is meant to be the end point.

@@ES-dp6tw ya never know truly because they can retcon and change anything nowadays

@@_Tzer True, but I'd like to hope Capcom has a smidge more creative integrity than that.

At this moment in time yes, it's done maturing. Safi perpetually generates energy within itself and only uses the Guiding Lands' excess energy to heal wounds as that takes astronomical amounts of energy. So rather than wait for its energy to replenish passively, it just steals bioenergy to heal itself quickly. That said, it's possible they can do another Fatalis scenario where we see a variation of Safi further changed in future. But it'll be a long time before that happens

Of course. Why would you think it was?

If that's what you got, then you're stupid.

You can see the Safi'Jiiva as a nextgen Fatalis

Source? Because based on everything I've read so far Safi'jiiva has always been a Black Dragon. And if you say 15th Anniversary stuff, all the 15th Anniversary material were made BEFORE Safi'jiiva released. The 15th Anni. was celebrated in March 2019, Safi didn't come out till November 2019. I've scouted every bit of information from the 15th Anniversary Event material, not a single statement in there says that a Black Dragon has to officially have the title "Black Dragon" for it to be part of the group. Crimson and White/Old Fatalis were both designed the same way as Safi'jiiva, they wanted to make a different coloured monster but at the time they only had Fatalis at the time so rather than make something new, they made variations of the existing Black Dragon until they made Alatreon. And the term "Forbidden Monster" as I stated in the video was never used by Capcom as an official name. I've not seen a full statement from Capcom where they claim the group is called as such. If there's a credible source for it, I'm more than happy to make another video covering it, but I've yet to find it myself, so feel free to provide that source if you have it!

Bruh Gaijinhunter said in his Forbidden Monster video when he translates the production notes for Alatreon that Black Dragons are all designed to have a resemblance to Fatalis. Safi'jiiva was literally mistaken by the entire community as Fatalis before they released it. They don't have to be black in coloration, they can be any color so long as they somewhat resemble Fatalis or a "Black Dragon"

@@ChronoPinoyX Gaijin Hunter has a video covering the Black Dragons a.k.a. Forbidden Monsters using information provided to him when he attended the 15th anniversary event in Japan, one that I believe you yourself mentioned in this video. Capcom have never referred to this group at all officially, because they've never mentioned them officially as you yourself stated in the video. And even then, they don't call them Black Dragons, they've only ever given them the overarching name of "Forbidden Monsters" as any kind of true name for their group. Otherwise, they're just known as Elder Dragons like usual. The whole "having Black Dragon as a title" is an inference, yes, but it also entirely makes sense. Black Dragon isn't technically an official term as established above. All the ones we had were either variations of THE Black Dragon, or otherwise were explicitly called Black Dragons themselves. Safi'jiiva, meanwhile, can't be a Black Dragon by title since it's the RED Dragon, and we already know Black Dragon isn't an official group name anyways. And besides that, it's important to note that every Black Dragon was initially created as a version of Fatalis in a sense, sometimes literally in the case of his own variations or more spiritually like with Alatreon and Dire Miralis. Meanwhile, Safi'jiiva wasn't created to be a version of Fatalis according to the Iceborne book (I'm the one who translated ALL of the Large Monster pages for people to read, BTW), and instead meant to directly contrast Fatalis's concept as an archetypal dragon itself and serve as a rival; the rivalry angle ended up being more so with Alatreon, anyways. An additional note is that, unlike Alatreon and Fatalis who are confirmed Black Dragons, Safi'jiiva's section in the Iceborne guidebook isn't style the same way as their sections. Those 2 have sections with "Memorandum", red text to denote that difference, and a lot of passages devoted to historical myths and legends surrounding them. Meanwhile, Safi'jiiva's section has the normal blue text like the other Monsters in the book and has sections entirely focused on its ecology. So even in the guidebook, Safi'jiiva is differentiated from existing Black Dragons instead of being stylistically categorized the same way.