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Ya know a lot of people are "glad that rumple finally got what he deserved" but at the same time, I actually felt bad for Rumple...cuz let's face it, Rumple is an addict...and this is what addictive behavior does, it destroys families.. Granted, Rumple brought it upon himself but it's an addict's mentality... i've witnessed it, it's terrible. they'll do anything to score their next fix.
I like how you described Rumple's behavior because it was hard for me to understand why he is doing all of this considering everything that has happened in the past with his son, thinking Belle is dead, dying, and watching Neal die. I don't think there's a rehab for what Rumple's addicted to.
I absolutely love your insight on rumple and how you refer to him as an addict. It does make a lot of sense, and although I hate rumple, i do pity him :)
Not just that, but i'd even say that he's behaviour is understandable, as well. Between watching his son die, to being forced into situations that he didn't want to be in, by the Wicked Witch, i certainly don't blame him for wanting to get rid of the dagger.
I like the order in which Rumple tries to beg Belle to stop: "I won't be able to come back!" - Arguably trying to appeal to Belle by having her picture a life without him. He still assumes he can use her love for him to get her to change her decision, while trying to appear vulnerable in the process. "I don't want to lose you!" - If he can't get her to change her mind using her love, then he'll use his own love. Still trying to appeal to Belle by showcasing how much he seems to love her, by telling her that he doesn't want to lose her. "I'm afraid!" - Last resort, last ditch effort, and the true coward emerges. No longer trying to appeal to Belle with love or romance, he reveals the deepest and darkest reason for everything he does; he's afraid. He has no more walls to hide behind, and he can do nothing but reveal himself in front of Belle and show him who he truly is.
+iRazenrak He is still more than a coward. He's a villan trying to be good enough to be a hero. I agree he's finally showing his true colors you still have to see him as more than a gutless wrench. You have to see that he still has goodness.
Nice observation! I'd like to add that he also initially tried to hit her with the "you don't understand" shit again too, as well as the "I've changed once, I can do it again." His go-to was manipulation
The most heart-wrenching thing in this scene for me isn't anything they say... It's at 2:46 when Belle turns away. She is actively forcing Rumple to leave, but still, she literally _can't bear to watch_ as he leaves. She just can't bear to look as he steps out of the border, never to return to her again. The entire scene is amazing but this one detail makes it unforgettable for me. Such a brilliant, brilliant piece of acting.
Yes!! I love Rumple and Belle together in theory when he’s holding his shit together for her, but eventually a toxic relationship is a toxic relationship and has to end. I’m always conflicted about this relationship because I instinctively want them to work it out and be together cuz-let’s face it-it’s a sweet story and I’m a hopeless romantic. But underneath the warm fuzzy factor, he uses her and manipulates her and lies to her and puts her in danger, and, as she said, he would never truly give up power for her. That’s a toxic relationship, and there’s no happy ending for a toxic relationship that involves enabling and addict or taking abuse. She did the right thing. I haven’t actually watched past this episode yet so idk, but I think if they do get back together it can only work if Rumple changes on his own. So far she’s been trying to CHANGE HIM, what needs to happen is he needs to change HIMSELF. “Love” is never a good reason to let yourself get stuck in a toxic relationship. Kudos to Belle here for doing what she needed to do and being strong enough to take care of herself.
I know so many people were heartbroken and crying over this scene...but I just couldn't stop being so PROUD of Belle! She's become so strong and bad-ass. She doesn't get enough scenes, but when she gets the odd episode that revolves around her, her character just gets more and more amazing.
I agree finally after 4 seasons Belle is a strong female at last. She finally stood up for herself and told Rumple that she was done with all his lies and choosing his power over her.
Yes, the writers should really pay attention to certain members of the main cast that they tend to ignore. In addition to Belle, I wish they'd give more attention to some of their minor characters, like Ruby, Archie, and Granny.
I completely agree. To be honest, the only slight sorrow I felt when watching this scene for the first time was for Belle. But I was applauding her actions and cheered when Rumple stumbled over the town line. Despite all his crying and pleading, he got no sympathy from me. He got exactly what he deserved here.
Once again, Robert and Emilie show off their incredible acting skills. I love the chemistry these two have together! It makes for very powerful scenes. My hat is off to the both of them!
This is a key moment that I think has really shown the change in Rumple since the beginning of the series. He really did a lot of horrible things in the first half of this season for no good reason. The more I see, the more I connect the pieces and realize just how badly season 3 screwed with his head. Yes, Rumple was always a coward and yes, he always wanted power. But there was a time when he truly was prepared to give up his power for his son, and there was a time when true love's kiss from Belle would have been enough, if he'd just believed. Back in season 2, Rumple told Regina to cut her losses and forget about Revenge, because she couldn't have everything. In this season, he made the exact same mistake that he warned her against, trying to have everything. And it became his undoing. The guy's an addict, and now that he doesn't have his son driving him forward, he's more screwed up than ever. It's such a tragedy.
Of course season 3 screwed with his head, he killed himself and his father, then he was brought back only to watch him son die, and Zelena controlled him for so long, after Bae died it’s no surprise Rumple went full on villain in season 4, reuniting with Bae was his entire motivation for everything up until now. It’s sad because now he’s just trying to reunite with Belle (in season 7)
wickedphantom24601 I know what you mean, but after the whole debacle in the sorcerer's mansion with the hat, I don't think he tried to kill Emma again. He told Hook as much. He said so long as they don't get in his way, Emma and Storybrooke had nothing to fear.
Supreme Overlorde And don't forget the major change his character underwent in season 3A, building up to a powerful climax in 3×11 where he sacrificed himself. So he wasn't always a coward.
It boils down to what his mother did to him, by cutting his fate she basically took away any courage he had plus anytime he did something good she probably made so it was only temporary so he would revert back so he couldn’t be the “savior” he was supposed to be. She basically enabled his drive for power but he he realized she was the source of his pain and suffering and tried to hurt Belle and his family he finally had enough and got the courage she stole back and finished her off
My god, these two actors are what turned this show from a corny fun fairytale romp into a great piece of television. In every scene they’re in, especially those together, they take the show to a whole new level!
For all that I’m an enthusiastic shipper of these two and I cried at this scene, I think it was necessary. I understand that Zelena’s control and Bae’s death made him go crazy, but throughout season 4A Rumple was treating Belle more like a plushie than like a person. I started rooting for her to show him the door (well, the town line) back in season three when he revealed he gave her the fake dagger. Considering that she was the one to trust him absolutely despite everything she knew about him, his behavior to her was horrible. She did the right thing here, and the scene is acted just brilliantly: one of the most painful and greatest ones in the series.
This scene was so well done. The way Rumple cries out Belle's name and tells her that he's afraid...really made you feel Belle's struggle. They are a very realistic couple so they're so interesting to watch.
I've heard that love is blind as Belle confessed that she lost her way when she was with him. I think that is how couples become co-dependent on each other and why it gets really ugly at times. I agree with Belle when she said that he never changed and power has always been his true love. She wanted to see the man behind the beast, but Rumple's demons always overpowered him. He wanted to change for his son and Belle, to make them happy, but "The Dark One" always pulled him back into the darkness. Belle tried to make him happy to the point she lost her identity and did not know who she was anymore. True love is always unconditional and it always starts with you first. Elsa even mentioned that Anna's love for her wasn't enough, she had to discover her own love for herself. Rumple still clings to his fear of becoming weak and vulnerable, so he chose power over love. You can't have fear and love at the same time, you have to give up one for the other. Because of his lust for power and his fear of losing it, he lost the love of his life! Magic always comes with a price and, he, of all people should know that!
Funny thing is..rumple has the same problem. He's been beaten down so much that he believes what they say about him, making unable to love himself, and therefore he can't believe that anyone can love him.
I felt so bad for Rumple in this scene. Don't get me wrong, he deserved it for all he's done, but it still sad to see. Rumple has always been a scared, desperate man attempting to cover up his insecurities with power. He's like a drug or alcohol addict that uses the substance to numb their pain, but causing nothing but harm to those who love them and are trying to help them
"You've never changed." Uh, yeah, Belle. The man who KILLED Peter Pan (his own FATHER!) to save the entire town from being enslaved? The hero who sacrificed himself? Oh yeah...he never changed in his lifetime... No seriously, coming back from the dead and being a slave to the Wicked Witch made him revert back. He was on the path to ultimate redemption and then...Neal had to die :( And everything just went to chaos...) Heartbreaking scene :( I'll never get over this. I'm not pissed at Belle, but damn...I don't blame Rumple. He hasn't been able to fight that addiction to magic for centuries...such a complex situation...I don't know who I'd side with, but my heart goes out to both of them here...
ikr after being rejected by his son în season 3 and nobody believing in him, rumple realizeze more and more that nobody wants him. Then Zelena is controling him ans makes him do all those terrible things, the death if Bae... All of these reprezented a moment when Rumple was becoming crazy again and thinking only about power.
Its hard he keeps comig back to the darkness trying to make emma swan dark But i do see most of that cowardness comes from his mom dad and wife Like Pan said everyone leaves him I feel sorry for him but i do think the characters can never fully trust him
If anyone asked me, "show me a scene with the biggest act of bravery" in this show about constant acts of heroism, I'd show them this scene. Forget swords and magic; having the strength and courage to say to someone you love, who you once thought you couldn't live without, "No. You must leave. I deserve better than this." is the biggest act of courage there is. I literally cheered when this scene first aired. Everything she said was 100% true: he hadn't changed. And he wasn't going to unless he did the work on himself. I will also never be not be angry that they undid this incredible act of heroism so quickly. Finally, for anyone who's ever been in a toxic or abusive relationship: this. hits. hard.
"I shouldn't watch, I shouldn't watch, I know I shouldn't watch." *watches anyways* *cries into a pillow for the next hour* This scene was one of the most heartbreaking scenes ever (just as heart breaking as Rumple dying was last season). Yes he did deserve it, yes I'm glad she found it, yes he needed to break somehow. But as a totally loyal rumbelle shipper I CAN'T TAKE IT. I have faith they will come back together but Rumple better work his ass off for it.
Would that even work? Does the dagger still have a hold on him once he's outside the confines of Storybrooke? Earth is, after all, known as the land without magic and the dagger's hold over the Dark One is magical in nature. Once Rumple was in our world, he would no longer have been compelled to follow the orders of whoever wielded the dagger, allowing him to simply come back in once he figured out how. The dagger only works in worlds where magic exists or am I wrong about that?
1:50 “please Belle I’ll make it up to you!” Omg that broke my heart into a million pieces... I’ve never cried over a tv show or movie before! This was a first
Even though this was an extremely heartbreaking moment, this HAD to happen if Rumbelle is going to make it as a couple down the road. Basically, Rumpelstiltskin has to change. By the way, STELLAR acting here!
This is exactly what I was thinking. This had to happen. Belle needed a chance to show that she is capable of standing up to Rumple, and capable of doing it all the way. Belle needed to show that she wasn't just going to keep dangling off Rumple's arm and turn the other way while he's murdering people and ripping out hearts. She needed to do this to shake off any doubt that she's not just a victim of Stockholm syndrome.
Hardest scene to watch throughout the entire series so far. My heart just broke and died! T_T But I am praying for hope, that the writers will somehow fix them! It will be the ultimate sacrifice from Rumple, giving up the power to be with Belle. I think that will be the only way!
***** I don't think that is true. Rumple is fun either way for me. I think him twisting things around is what he will do. But it will be neither good or evil. It will be the happy medium that describes Rumple perfectly! He doesn't have to be 100% good to make things work. Everyone has darkness them, it is how far it goes becomes the problem. But my thing, I was not seeing too much evil during this time except with trying to get Emma. But that's it.
I don't think Rumple is going to get back with Belle. He is basically doing the same mistake he did with Neal. He loved power more than his loved ones. After dying and losing his son, you would think Rumple learned what is truly important. If he just hid the dagger like he used to do then he wouldn't be in this mess. But, yes, I am going to miss Belle and Rumple as a couple.
Mazzystar0 I am sadly a sap. I will not give up on them! Even if it may be hopeless. I will forever hope for Rumbelle happy ending! Also, you know with the 3 Queens they more likely go after Belle in the future eps. Rumple will not let them hurt her. He does love her. Even Eddy and Adam have said that multiple times. Rumple and Belle's love is True Love. But like you said, he keeps making mistakes. It will be the ultimate sacrifice on his part, him really losing his powers before Belle and him can fix what is broken.
Mazzystar0 I don;t think they will be apart forever. True love is always fought for. I think it's just going to take Rumple turning hell over to get her back. He did change once - i think with enough suffering, he can do it again. ***** Melstrife I kind of see what Robert Carlyle is saying. One of the main bases of this show is his struggle, is his complicatedness. I don't know if I'd want him to lose his powers until like, the end of the whole show. But I think he has to make some kind of great sacrifice that is just as big. Maybe his dark magic will turn to light magic? Maybe he'll change as Regina did? it's just going to take a hell of a lot longer for Rumple to ever prove himself. I kind of still want Rumple to have magic though :3 maybe not power....magic without power.....although he did say "magic is power". We will have to see.
When I was watching this episode I thought that Regina and Robin saying goodbye was the saddest thing ever...and then this happens and I literally wanted to rip the writer's heart out for making me feel so much in one hour! The feels were so strong!
I get Belle. Trying to be everything for someone and losing yourself. Even though this was a heartbreaking scene. Remember, all the times Belle stood by rumple. ..enough is enough. I'm proud of Belle. She did something that hurt her so much, but in the end, she had to let go of what was not true. Stop wasting her time.
He finally admits that he was afraid. It was his fear that lead him to become the dark one.. and he has used that fear ever since as a crutch. He has a real crutch(a cane) in the real world, and has magic as a crutch in Storybrooke. He's scared to be powerless and be treated the way he was before he was The Dark One. He's lost a lot and it really messed with him to be the Wicked Witch's puppet. I really don't blame him. He wanted to be free from the dagger so that no one could control him like that again. Also, Rumple told Belle that the gauntlet leads you to the person's weakness. He told her that this is most often the thing they love most. In Rumple's case, the dagger is his weakness because once you have it, you control him.
I know that Rumple deserved this... But I still love him. This character is so complicated and interesting !! I still ship Rumbelle and will forever support them
Yes, it's mind-blowing how a character can be both evil AND sympathetic. I think that's extremely difficult to pull off. I've always thought that Carlyle deserved Emmy consideration for this show, however looked down upon it might be by the voters. Robert Carlyle ALWAYS delivers!
Belle, he said that love is usually the weakness! Not always. The daggar is what can control him and cause him to kill everyone! You are his strength! WHY BELLE!
Belle was't right about the Gauntlet though. Rumple said someone's greatest weakness was USUALLY their true love, not always. In the case of a dagger with all powerful control over him and the only thing that can harm him it trumps Belle as a weakness. They both can control him in different ways, but only the dagger could harm him. So even if he loved her more than power, the gauntlet would still show the dagger as his greatest weakness because it is the only thing that could truly hurt him physically. I should also note that Rumple did commit suicide to save the town without any expectation of being revived, so to say he's always been a beast is pretty untrue. His son dying affected him and he was probably just willing to do anything to protect the rest of his family from dying as well. His methods were totally wrong, but grief is seldom rational.
I couldn't agree more but the reason's she's hurt is that he loved power more than he loved her. Now that's not true he wanted both. Hook himself said you have girl in there that loves you. He then replied with I can and I will have both whats wrong with that nothing!
Guled Hero The thing is, if he truly loved Belle, he wouldn't feel he NEEDED power in addition to her. Hook asked the question because Hook was willing to give up trying to kill this person out of revenge in exchange for finding love again - having Emma's love is enough for him, and love has always been enough for him. Rumple's not like that: he feels a need for power, control, and dominance at all times, and to him, Belle is in the same class as his power is - a commodity for his pleasure.
Bannar He's proven that wrong when he killed pan to save them. Also yeah sure love wasn't enough for him but thats because he wanted both his powers and her love. What evil could he have done then huh? Other than killing hook I can't see it.
His sacrifice to kill Pan was reversed though, and so was his character growth. And yes, he wanted BOTh. He is incapable of choosing between one or the other, and that's his problem. In this show, love is the greatest power of all, but Rumple just wants it in addition to the dark power he covets. And if he went out into the world with his power, he would have bullied, dominated, and manipulated others with it as he saw fit.
I was screaming "push him over" when I saw this. when he said "i'm scared" it kind of got to me but rumple was about ti kill Emma's love now he lost his, my how the tables have turned
He so deserved this and I'm proud that Belle was the one to do it, its the price he needed to pay for all his lying and scheming. I know people like them both as a couple but I prefer Belle solo for know. Rump had so many chances to change and the fact he tried to gain power again and was willing kill Hook for it proves that changing is next to impossible for him. Belle can only play the 'yes girl' for so long until eventually Rump crosses the line. Ironic given what she ends up doing to him.
If the Glove leads you to someone's weakness, how would it lead to the thing The Dark One loves most? The Dark One can _only_ be harmed by the dagger. It is his only weakness. What a useless object that glove would be if it lead someone to, say, Belle, when the person using the Glove is looking for The Dark One's weakness. Scenario 1: Somebody kidnaps or attacks Belle in order to get to The Dark One. Said person then gets utterly destroyed by The Dark One, who is in complete control of his near limitless power. Scenario 2: Somebody gets hold of The Dark One's dagger, then uses it to kill or control The Dark One. The Dagger is clearly his weakness, regardless of his love of power or Belle.
This is a great ending for Rumple. If only he would've stayed gone. I was so proud of Belle in that moment because she showed real strength. She didn't allow Rumple's pleas to sway her from doing what was right for her and the rest of the town. Rumple is incapable of putting the people he loves first. He told Hook if it came down to choosing between him and someone else he would choose himself. He craves power because deep down he is a coward and his power makes him feel strong. In the end the only thing he will have left is his power because he doesn't know how to live without it. Kudos to Belle for finally seeing the beast.
Me definitely. I hated her for doing this. How is he supposed to trust her if the minute she gets the real dagger she throws him out of town cause he did something she didn't like. It's just simply proves he was right to hide the dagger from her.
@@nabzisi3928 what??? It’s been a while since I’ve watched the show but wasn’t he going to the cause everyone in Storybrooke but her and Henry to die? I love Rumplestiltskin but he definitely deserved this
It's kind of funny that my two favourite pieces of dialogue between these two are this scene and their wedding vows- one of the happiest scenes and one of the saddest. In both cases though, beautifully written and amazingly acted. Keep up the good work ouat!
Honestly, this made me cry alot. I don't know, Its heart breaking because Belle loves him, she honestly loves him so much. Rumple loves her too, but he is so scared to go back to being powerless again like he was from the very start of it all, he can't let go of it. I mean, was he scared that without power he was going to loose Belle and unable to get his happy ending? Or does he just really lust power? Oh god :'v this scene hurt me so bad, I'm proud Belle stood up for herself, but poor Rumple! They both have been through so much, I want them to be together in the end!
Also this kinda reminds me of Neal. All he wanted was his father not his the dark one's power. But unlike Neal, Belle made no attempt to take away his power. She loved all of him, even the magic but it was kinda his fault for loosing Belle too. Hmm you think he would learn? I think it will turn out okay though...
One side of me is in shock cuz damn belle. She actually did that. Savage, I lover her, he got his comeuppance alright. But the other side loves Rumple & it breaks my heart to see him so broken by his own mistakes. This was such a brave thing to do bc Belle loves him, but this is what addiction does. She had to push him away, & he did deserve it. He lied to her & did evil things behind her back. He loves her for seeing good in him, but he underestimated her ability to see the bad too. This is such a powerful scene bc for someone with so much power, he was very powerless. And we know he doesn't need magic to be powerful. His words were not enough this time. Also can i point out the parallels of losing Baelfire & loosing Belle bc he chose power over them. Both times he expressed regret too little too late & was left on his knees crying.
I know that Rumple deserved this, but it still breaks my heart to see this moment! You'd think Rumple would change after seeing his opportunity for a second chance with Belle after Belle being released from her prison.
It's the authentic acting in this scene that really sells it. Just so good by both Carlyle and DeRavin, one of the best-acted scenes of the entire series.
Rumple gambled and lost big. He lost his true love in Belle, and now that he's banished from Storybroke, his power stayed in Storybroke. As much as I liked Rumple (Robert Caryle is a fantastic actor), he totally deserved this. It sucks seeing him broken in the end, but at the same time his lust for power got the better of him and that he owns this
Imagine if you lose everything because you're powerless. Ofc, you're gonna want power. Whatever Rumple did can be justified for what the world did to him. He may have turned evil for magic but who wouldn't? His story is painful and sad. Al he wanted was to protect the people he loved, and when he got the power he wanted, more people ran away from him. Rumple never got what he wanted, with or without power because the surrounding characters are too selfish to look at his point of view for once. He isn't evil, his world is.
I think the problem with Rumple is not that he wants the power it's that he lied to Belle. I get what he was trying to do with the hat. By removing himself from the dagger he will no longer be forced to do things he doesn't want to do like with Zelina. He should have just talked to Belle about his fears rather than give her a fake dagger.
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