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Harley and Ramona's toyhauler has SERIOUS problems! Will Alliance buy it back?
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@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

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@mysticjedi6730 3 месяца назад

This video is a perfect example why it's best to buy a cargo trailer built like a tank and renovate it yourself.. Save money, build to your specifications and finish preferences..

@randys766 3 месяца назад

I promise she won’t run out of content as long as campers are sold.

@scottmichaels12 3 месяца назад

And because Lippert parts are on almost all RVs.

@jasona5806 25 дней назад

Tru dat

@t34bravo 3 месяца назад

Liz is saving the world one RV at a time!

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Ha! Just trying to get the RV industry to wake up. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend.

@JohnBowl14690 3 месяца назад

So glad I never bought an RV as I was thinking of doing. I realize not all are bad, but I've decided to spend my senior years participating in activities, rather than traveling. It costs less to find great activites, has less headaches and easier to control. Plus, there are more health benefits if you choose active things to do. I have Liz to thank for this.

@whomeverwherever 3 месяца назад

@@JohnBowl14690exercise, hobbies, social activities, etc are so important for good health! Good for the heart, joints, mind, etc. Blessings!

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

sadly the opposite is true...there are a thousand fools getting ready to make a poor decision about an rv for every one that does not. The only good rv is the one that you did not buy.

@threeftr3349 Месяц назад

@@LizAmazing Liz you are just amazing for real!! You have clout, and power in your channel.

@SW-jw6il 3 месяца назад

These stories are horrifying & have totally changed my mind about RVing in our retirement years… (buying a cabin)

@Rainbow-nn3rl 2 месяца назад

better yet, rent a cabin and then be done with the damn thing.. just my thoughts

@gentoolive 3 месяца назад

Thanks again Liz for talking my wife and I out of retiring in a RV.. You saved me unmeasurable aggrivation.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Sorry to hear that. It's mostly the ones made in the past four years that are bad. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Before you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html

@brianrussell9419 3 месяца назад

Our 2016 Momentum we’ve had since new & now have at least 40,000 miles has had zero frame issues . We carry two heavy tour bikes in the garage also . I feel so bad for all the people that have invested so much money & have had their dreams turn into a nightmare. I will never buy another newer RV…..

@tomcruse5731 3 месяца назад

Remember you're buying a deprecating unit that's not worth a shit.

@RickandDarcirvadventures 3 месяца назад

Don’t let these few stories that Liz is putting out stop you from rving. There are A LOT more success stories than the stories told on this channel. We have a 2011 Jayco Greyhawk and it is great. No issues except minor things that even we can fixed and we are not mechanically inclined.

@JohnBowl14690 3 месяца назад

Gentool - Yep, same here! I have too many other hobbies that compete for my time, so RVing with it's risks and hassles aren't worth it. Even if you find a reliable camper or RV. Cleaning and storing are a hassle. With the advent of Ebikes, it's so much better and in many cases...cheaper, to just rent a hotel room and ebike either inside the national parks for the day with a backpack. In some cases the hotels are close enough to ebike to the park itself.

@idahospudgirlidahospudgirl4998 3 месяца назад

I’ll keep my tent

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

tent+4runner is 1000x better. Funny how keeping things simple usually results in better outcomes.

@delinquense 3 месяца назад

Careful with them there zippers acting up on you.

@Lorna-bq4ke 11 дней назад

Yeah, no faulty wiring or buckling etc

@KnKs64 3 месяца назад

Good for Alliance for buying it back, however they would have never done that without Liz hounding them. Great work Liz!

@OmahaWayne 3 месяца назад

bs, just pure bs. She is a tiny youtuber making clicks (money) off peoples misfortune. Companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars do not fear her at all. You saw ow quick she caved to lippert last time. Alliance could have done the same thing.

@scottmichaels12 3 месяца назад

@@OmahaWayneYeah, she's making money, but she's also helping people. I see nothing wrong with getting paid to help folks. Alliance has a reputation of addressing RV problems directly. Liz actually has scared some of these manufacturers to the point that they have offered her sponsorships to take down some of her videos. The RV industry is not as big as the auto industry and is very much affected by RU-vid and these companies like Alliance know it, and have benefited financially from it. Liz has a small channel compared to the biggest RU-vidrs, but in the RV RU-vid world, over 100K subscribers is actually a good size for a channel that does nothing but report on the industry.

@lobowynnTV 3 месяца назад

My wife of 37 yrs and I wanted to do the RV life ..but after investigating and finding this RU-vid channel and the horrific stories of regret..We have shut the door on our dream no way could I gamble on purchasing a expensive piece of trash

@Lauren-vd4qe 3 месяца назад

actually if you buy an older one, theyre quite doable and reliable, just not anything built in the last 5 yrs is what to avoid.

@Igor-uj1sx 3 месяца назад

Smart man!!!

@fitfogey 3 месяца назад

Me either. Great decision. We saved ourselves a lot of money and headaches.

@lrobie123 3 месяца назад

all that hard earned money saved....buy a house with it in a retirement location...RV's depreciate fast...i.e avoid buying a house in SW Florida though

@Good-Life34010 3 месяца назад

Look at Northwood Mfg Arctic Fox or Desert Fox for toy hauler. Solid unit I have 0 complaints. They build their own frames. The frame is heavy square tubing.

@maryannf1030 3 месяца назад

I think a savvy lawyer should start a class action suit against lippert. That would get their attention. Keep up the great work Liz! We don’t even own an RV but love your content. We pass it along to a few friends who have RVs and problems of their own.

@scottmichaels12 3 месяца назад

Lippert seems like they have a monopoly on RV parts. I would be surprised if there are any RVs out there that DON'T have a Lippert part on them.

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

well if you bothered to read all the disclaimers on rv contracts you would quickly understand why that does not happen. Binding arbitration is not your friend first of all.

@MrEroshan 3 месяца назад

Unfortunately when they advertise a "toy hauler" they actually mean toys like stuffed animals.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Apparently so! Thanks for watching!

@mikefoehr235 3 месяца назад

That is funny 🤣🤣🤣

@I_Am_SciCurious 3 месяца назад

Yeah 😂 you can put a Hungry Hungry Hippos in the back

@charlenecastaldo3602 3 месяца назад

Ha ha ha 😅

@stevemarquez9628 3 месяца назад

It probably won't even support it's own weight.

@hiflyer1825 3 месяца назад

Alliance puts a lot of study in their boxes. They need to get rid of Lippert frames (chassis). Frames are NOT suppose to have flex !!! With the terrible conditions of U.S. roads, suspention components need to be re-engineered. Great job Liz.

@scottmichaels12 3 месяца назад

Yeah, Alliance needs to start making their own frames and cut Lippert Components out of the equation. Alliance and Lippert have opposite reputations and I would think the Alliance would want to keep it that way.

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

Frankly, if alliance did any sort of qc via incoming/ receiving inspection then they would not be building on a bad frames. This entire industry is designed to point the finger elsewhere and then go to binding arbitration. It has never been about making a quality product. If you truly undertood risk, you would never purchase one of these monstrosities.

@terryhaynes1596 3 месяца назад

So glad I have an Arctic Fox fifth wheel. They make their own frames. There are no recalls and no broken frames. I have a friend with the same model I have and he has over 200k miles on it and has been to Alaska three times with no problems. My rv is now 6 years old and I haven’t had a single problem.

@Milesco 3 месяца назад

Good to know. 👍

@lovesweetpeas47 3 месяца назад

we had an Arctic Fox 29 ft. fifth wheel years ago and it was built so well. we loved it.

@scottmichaels12 3 месяца назад

I think Alliance needs to do the same thing and make their own frames. Lippert is a garbage company and they own too much of the RV market. People are complaining about Grand Design frames failing but they are actually Lippert frames on Grand Design RVs. Nobody cares! If Alliance or Grand Design buy the frame and put their name on it, then it's not a Lippert frame anymore, it's a Grand Design or Alliance frame. They can pass the buck all they want but if an RV says Alliance on it, then every component is their responsibility. That's why they need to cut out Lippert and make their own frames.

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

and there people that have wonderful experiences at camper world too. Wisdom is seldom learned when poor choices lead to good outcomes.

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

@@lovesweetpeas47 2 things here: years ago and you no longer own it.

@peterkettelkamp7162 3 месяца назад

I was on the edge of my seat awaiting the Alliance response and I was ready to scratch them off my short list if they pulled a Grand Design. Thanks for trying to do the right thing, Alliance.

@angie-xy5sf 3 месяца назад

i went dealership look at Alliance. it is so cheap. had sheet plastic behind stove. then front of island was hard plastic. furniture was crap. staples in drawers.

@Stephanie-vn6ir 3 месяца назад

@@angie-xy5sfOMG!

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

short list? lolz you are likely to regret your decision no matter what you choose....if you hate your children and want to burn your money, then buy an rv.

@TheChadSmithPodcast 3 месяца назад

My Aunt and Uncle just sold me their 1999 Jayco Mini Motorcoach that's always been kept indoors and I will do everything I can to keep it in great condition. The quality of my RV is much higher than the quality of these newer RV's that these companies are putting out these days. Thanks for the video

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Yes, oldies but goodies are the way to go these days. Thanks for watching.

@barondugger 3 месяца назад

"I don't want a Lippert frame." Too bad. Lippert owns everyone.

@richardkoch8752 3 месяца назад

BAL frames on smaller trailers.

@scottmichaels12 3 месяца назад

They really do. Lippert seems to have a monopoly. I bet every RV manufactured in the last 15 years has at least one Lippert part on it. This needs to stop.

@thomaswilson8634 2 месяца назад

Yes sir they have the market 100 percent in Elkhart and surrounding areas

@thomaswilson8634 2 месяца назад

@scottmichaels6854 2017 drv. I have a lippert and I use a kenworth with commercial fifthwheel. No problems. I see a lot on here are toy haulers.

@tonyurquhart7130 3 месяца назад

Liz, your shirt looks like an original Star Trek uniform. In the RV industry, you are “boldly going where no one has gone before”. Love your vids.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Aww, thanks, Tony! I'm so glad you're here! Have a great weekend.

@outbacker292 3 месяца назад

I've now owned 3 towable RV's and have been fortunate not have extreme issues like this. I enjoy using it on the occasional weeklong and long weekend trips, but sure as hell would never live in one. To each their own, but I think it's a huge mistake to sell your house to live in an RV.

@markbernier8434 3 месяца назад

It seems to me there needs to be the equivalent of a VIN for trailers and a required listing of the repairs and modifications done. These stories of frame damage and underbuilt are just incredible.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Yes, some way to track the repairs with the VIN so you don't get one that's been in a collision or had serious work done. That would protect the consumer, but no one in the RV industry would like it. Thanks for watching and feel free to SHARE this video!

@madham7684 3 месяца назад

I think it would have to be a collection of data that is Self-Reported by owners of problematic rigs; if that would be possible?

@lisamcgrath3132 3 месяца назад

Liz you’re doing amazing work for so many people, you have definitely found your calling!!🤗

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Thanks for your support, Lisa. Feel free to share this video! And have a great weekend.

@JohnBowl14690 3 месяца назад

Agreed. Liz found her place. Not only a great consumer advocate, but I learned so much about the outdoors and what it's like to live outdoors.

@wurly164 3 месяца назад

I'm retiring in a few years and have been doing research on RV life, but from what I have been seeing over the last couple of years, I would be crazy to get involved with this.

@bradforester3635 Месяц назад

DONT DO IT!!!! Rent one once in awhile. Go on the road for a few months. You will realize it a nightmare. Not to mention gas and camping fee’s. Certain places can cost $4800 a month just to hook up a RV 😂

@charleneheiland8803 3 месяца назад

Soooo happy to hear that Liz Amazing worked her "magic" again 👌❤️

@benrichards9667 3 месяца назад

These got damn manufacturers are making us mad as hell. Inspect your trash! QC!!!! Train your staff!!! Demand quality and test everything B4 selling it.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Yep. I'm sure this was a learning experience for them. Thanks for watching.

@rodx5571 Месяц назад

Wake up!! Wake up!! you were having a pipe dream! 😁

@MowBeta 3 месяца назад

RV'ing lessons learned over many years convinced me that we will NEVER sell our base-home to become full-time RV'ers. And this video emphasizes one big reason: if your rig ends up in the shop for an extended period of time, you become "homeless" and will be hemorrhaging dollar bills for who knows how long. And when it happens 'cuz you put out a lot of money for what turns out to be an attractive but cheap-quality RV, it's a real slap in the face. I'll say it again = Why doesn't the NHTSA or other government agency straighten out the scuzzy players in the RV construction industry?

@jr.6199 3 месяца назад

We have half the population lied to for decades thinking less regulation is better, (since Reagan).

@Graybeard_ 3 месяца назад

For sure the biggest issue with these very large RVs is the inadequate frame design, horrible quality control and low quality materials used, but it also needs to be pointed out that 35+ foot long, light weight boxes bouncing down the highway at 60mph is a recipe for disaster. That there are two or three 10,000lb axles underneath really means nothing when only 4-5 feet in the center of a 35+ foot box that is directly supported by those axles. Frame flex is a given on this kind of a design, at these lengths. With frame flex, the "box" will certainly, eventually start to come apart. The only real solution is to settle for a more reasonably sized RV. Having a large house on wheels is not practical from an engineering standpoint.

@bigred8752 3 месяца назад

Such a good point. Folks are basically dragging a destination trailer around the country and expecting nothing to happen.

@islandhopper100 3 месяца назад

the risk associated with buying any rv makes it a poor choice. ancedotal evidence about somone having a good rv is outweighed 100 fold by the bad outcomes.

@40below1000 3 месяца назад

I am not an RV'er and I never will be, but Liz's vids are great. Modern rigs appear to be shockingly bad, the only vehicles with worse fitment and finish on the road today is the Cyberurinal, and the amound folks are spending on their rigs, then fixing their rigs is atonishing, they're not fit for purpose. And this is real real journalism - Liz doesn't just feature people with problems, but also tries to get comment and answers from dealers and industry, which is something that a miniscule number of YTers can or will do.Hard-nosed journalism too. You go Liz!

@StacyAnneH 3 месяца назад

I saw something in a video on how Lippert build these frames. Lippert does NOT make the beams they only weld them together. My concern is how they use the beams. If I want a 5' 2 x 4, I take one that is longer than that and cut it to 5'. Lippert is taking the beams they receive and welding them into 1 continuous beam. They then cut whatever length they need. so one trailer may have a solid 30' beam and the next could have a weld in the middle. I don't care how good the weld is, it's not as strong as a solid beam

@fitfogey 3 месяца назад

Never knew that. Great information. That’s crazy.

@SpykersB 3 месяца назад

Oh that is interesting 🤔.

@harryslater2587 3 месяца назад

I saw that video. Instead of taking a long beam and cutting to length they continuously weld them together and cut to length. So a 15 ft beam may be 14’ with a 1 ft piece on the other side of a weld. When I saw that I immediately thought that is by far not the best way to do it.

@keevs5adventures 3 месяца назад

Can you share a link to this video?

@harryslater2587 3 месяца назад

@@keevs5adventures I believe is it Big truck big rv when he toured the factory

@Bulvan123 28 дней назад

This guy is very articulate in describing the issues. A pleasure to listen to.

@andycommonsincanada 3 месяца назад

We had a similar situation with Alliance and they helped us out too. We are so thankful to Alliance for doing the right thing.

@traitorsamongus2417 Месяц назад

Taking RV purchase off of my bucket list..

@Mike-01234 3 месяца назад

Shows you how social media and this channel have more power then any attorney would have. I can't see how Lippert is not bleeding losses from stories like this. I noticed when I google Lippert frames online forums popup with posts going back to 2012 people talking about frame flex.

@ssn712 3 месяца назад

Great work, Liz!!! Thanks for all that you do! Being that there's so much RV junk out there, have you considered doing a separate channel for each brand of RV? For instance "Liz - Forest River", "Liz - Grand Design", etc. That way a prospective buyer could watch the Liz channel for the brand they're interested in to see what they're in for. I bet that'd get the MFGs attention in a hurry and maybe make them behave better. I would have loved to see something like that before I bought my new Forest River rolling crap pile. Just a thought and keep up the great work!

@YESITSWILL 3 месяца назад

Everything that can go wrong with a car and everything that can go wrong with a house in one convenient package.

@onrycodger 3 месяца назад

It proves that you Liz, are making a differance. You are the Ralph Nader of the RV industry. Two Thumbs up!😎👍👍

@Thesaltymedic36 3 месяца назад

My RV was a 5 year research project. In the class C category my Phoenix Cruiser is amazing. The only other rig I even considered was a Coach House. Phoenix Cruiser is one of the best I’ve seen. Video on my RU-vid channel. I’m glad some people are getting out of these horrible units but it’s with most manufacturers. Lots of problems. Research your brand people. RESEARCH. Don’t just get it because it looks pretty. 👍🏼

@TheRoadSMITHS 3 месяца назад

We have owned an Alliance Paradigm 310Rl for 3 years. We have put over 32,000 miles on ours. While we have a few issues Alliance has been awesome in repairing the issues that have come up. They will authorize field techs instead of having to go to dealers which is very very helpful.

@danrandall794 3 месяца назад

Miss Liz has the power!! Good on the buy back. Great point on the concern of where the trailer ends up. He makes a great point on Alliance or Lippert's fault. He was so correct he made his deal with Alliance not Lippert. It is crazy that after making RV's for decades how can the most basic building blocks fail? Maybe consider some updates on prior videos and how those folks are doing. Thanks for doing this and I hope everyone remembers what Memorial Day is really about.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much, Dan, for your very thoughtful and wise comment!

@vypersoft1 3 месяца назад

I may be wrong...but the frame specs are set (by the company name on the unit) and not the frame fabricator. So the frame fabricators are just following specs set out by the engineers from the (unit company name).

@Tatiacha 3 месяца назад

yeah that is the question though is Lippert welding correctly are they using good quality steel, and so forth. They may look like they meet the engineering specs but if even 1 in 20 has severe welding flaws then we could have the issue we have. Now if that is the case and I was a manufacturer I would hire people who inspect each frame when it is brought to the floor checking every weld before they do anything with it and if the welds look crappy send it back to Lippert and refuse to build on it. So it may be under engineering for weight considerations, crappy work at Lippert or both.

@George-fy7tt 3 месяца назад

Thanks for your videos. I quit looking for a new RV after watching your videos. Too bad if the manufacturers don't like to be called out on their crappy manufacturing.

@13redwoodlaneusa7 Месяц назад

Wow! We have been full time Rvers for ten years now. And I can tell you we have had our issues with our Thor produced Redwood. As a consumer you get no where with the manufacturer. Thank you Liz for all that you do for us. I’m am keeping my fingers crossed that some one in the government hears you and writes legislation to hold Rv manufacturers accountable for their products. Love you Liz!

@techlord5573 2 месяца назад

I just can't see a point in buying these.

@aricellis 3 месяца назад

With the massive amount of quality issues going viral on social media, you would think RV manufacturers would take control of the situation and ensure quality control is where it needs to be. This includes supply chain vendors like Lippert.

@elainelazzaro5577 3 месяца назад

Thank you Alliance!

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Yes indeed! Thanks for watching, Elaine!

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Yes, indeed! Thanks for watching, Elaine!

@legallyblondetakesahike7076 3 месяца назад

Doesn’t Alliance give lippert the specifications for how to build the frames? It seems they all need to step up their game.

@thatdave86 3 месяца назад

Think if you follow all of the people affected with RV issues,there are many that have the proof that frames have been poorly made ,bad welding etc . I'm still waiting to see the proof that the steel being used is American steel,and yes they claim that it is ,or carefully used words like "it comes from a steel manufacturer in America . Funny how other brands of RVs have better quality frames without the issues! Even if the RV company asks for a particular type of construction,does not mean the likes of Lippert should accept it as good ,and their expertise would surely give them the clout to advice that the design is weak ? Imagine if all the heavy transportation trailers towed behind trucks had the same issues,imagine 60,000 80,000 or 100,000 lbs traveling down the road and the trailer carrying that load starts to crack, twist and part detach!

@bounderchris 3 месяца назад

Noticed your RU-vid plaque on the wall of your apartment, congrats!!

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Thank you! And thanks for being here, Chris!

@velodctr 3 месяца назад

Liz, Thank you for doing such a great job protecting the consumer which is being scammed by greed. All these companies have cost saving strategies but no product improving strategies. We demand better and we can take our $$ elsewhere if they don't wake up and see the light. Keep up the great work! I love your videos.

@TIREDOFEVIL 3 месяца назад

I am glad that Alliance stood by their product, good on ya. I picked up a KISS Camper" keep it simple stupid" and so far being that it is only a 30 footer with nothing fancy, I am hoping for the best.

@georgek719 3 месяца назад

This seems to be all too common, were the RV manufacturer (Alliance) points to a component supplier (Lippert) and vice versa. And the buyer is stuck in the middle, out their time and expenses. One of the more reputable Class B manufacturers loves to tout their 5 year warranty. But it covers practically nothing, because they always fall back on the separate warranties from individual components (typically one year or less).

@frankattheshop 3 месяца назад

Hi Liz, Alliance is actually a great company. The dealership I work for picked up the brand because of the way they took care of a trailer that we received as a trade-in. It was well out of warranty and we reached out to them only for guidance in repairing the slide issue we were having prior to reselling it. Those guys were awesome. They said we are going to come pick it up and repair it free of charge. And they did. It so impressed our companies owners that we picked up the brand. As you know no RV is perfect but it's how you respond to a problem that defines you. And they have definitely been there for us and our customers so far. I love their products for their innovative ideas and outside the box thinking. Kind of reminds me of that beautiful Alfa See Ya you're rocking! Alfa Leisure was way ahead of its time. When I first started working in the RV industry at PPL Motorhomes over 20 years ago it was a beautiful Alfa See Ya Gold that became my first RV love! Love your work!

@TheGrumpySkipper 3 месяца назад

Liz. You truly are amazing by providing this channel . Don’t think we would ever buy an RV but I know where to come if we did Very well done John

@zLigHt44 3 месяца назад

They should make their own frames.Strong,built like a .... ..... House.

@robinbrown3347 3 месяца назад

Oh where do I start!!! I am a retired millwright and machinist. I also have a strong background in failure analysis and structural analysis. I have come back from crawling around underneath my neighbours trailer which is almost the same . His frame has weld cracks and other problems too. The frame appears to be light and designed for a uniformly distributed STATIC load. Under that condition it should be adequate. However the loading in normal use on a typical road would be far greater and subject the frame to far greater stresses than what it was designed for. My nonprofessional guess is the frame is totally inadequate.

@julianielson194 3 месяца назад

Hope ur still getting in some under the radar RV time, know how much u love it…keep up the good work Liz!

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much, I'm always glad to have your support! Thanks for watching and feel free to SHARE this video!

@TOLOW1962 3 месяца назад

As they say sounds like a class action suit, the welding is definitely an issue on everything we've been seeing, they should be worried, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK LIZ,😊

@G..G.. 3 месяца назад

Way to go Liz. Good job. Happy for them.

@rudigerbraun9103 3 месяца назад

the maximum axle-weight ist not the maximum possible garage-weight. So if you just overlaod the garage the frame will get issues.

@jrc8466 3 месяца назад

My thought is for my wife and I to stay put in our paid for home sleepy in NW Alabama and to forget about acquiring an RV for extended travel.

@davidwilson5642 2 месяца назад

I said this several times on different channels. The whole problem consist of 15 years ago. These campers weren’t as heavy, adding all the insides to it but the new ones have today. I don’t know if it’s leopards fault or the other peoples fault for not letting Leopard know what they’re putting in, things adding to them so Lifford can beef up the frames or Leopard just strictly using the same frames that they have 15 years ago that Problems where the problem lies who’s fault alliance has not given them a spreadsheet of specs and what they’re putting in these trailers so leopard can be the frame. I don’t know. It’s not beef to begin with. That’s the whole problem.

@stefordlucky6056 3 месяца назад

Liz is Amazing. That's for sure. I wasn't even aware that trailers can have so many problems.

@DrMott 3 месяца назад

Wow-great advocacy Liz!! When can we get marine-quality Oliver TT quality??!!

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

I know, that would be awesome in a bigger trailer of a fifth wheel. I am hoping some bigger European companies come set up shop over here. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

@avery1234530 3 месяца назад

I saw a video of a couple looking for an RV that I thought was pretty interesting and worth sharing the details with you folks. What they did might not be for everyone but for anyone looking to save a buck, perhaps it's worth checking into it for yourself. I've seen a lot of advice about if you buy an RV, by one built before the pandemic because quality and craftsmanship went out of the window for some reason. Many say it is best to buy a used RV, one where someone else has already worked out all of the kinks. Both make good sense but there is another alternative. The video of the couple buying the RV was interesting because they chose a place that rents RVs and then eventually sells them after a time when they get in new inventory. The RVs they sell are all originally built from the factory to be rentals. They don't have carpet, instead they have marine grade flooring for easier cleaning. The steps leading into the camper aren't the cheap fold up metal kind that get damaged on the curb by someone not used to driving an RV. They are built into the cabin like it would be on a school bus. All of the textiles on the cushions were waterproof. All of the appliances were a higher quality than an average RV because the rental lot didn't want to have to mess with fixing those things constantly. Whenever they sell one of those rentals, they remove all of the gaudy graphics and repaint the entire RV in a crisp clean white. I must say, it was beautiful. From what I could see everything inside and outside looked as if it were brand new. All of they're RVs get regularly scheduled check ups and servicing. The one they were looking at didn't even have high milage. If I remember correctly to buy that same RV new, WITHOUT all of the extra additions that come with it for being a rental would be well above $100,000 but because it was used and a rental they were only asking less than half of that. I'm sure that video is still on RU-vid somewhere if you look for it. Personally if you can find a place like that, I can't think of a better way to go. If I had not seen that video I would have given up my dream a long time ago about owning an RV and seeing the country, based on all of the negative things I've seen in so many RV videos. That one video gives me hope.

@backtoasimplelife 3 месяца назад

Question:Who decided to what specs to build the frame? Lippert or Alliance?

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

I have never been able to get a clear answer on that. I will let you know when I find out. Thanks for watching and feel free to share this video. Have a good weekend.

@johncaruana6406 3 месяца назад

I’ve read that the manufacturers spec out the frame and Lippert builds to that spec. If true, then Lippert is getting a bad rap unless the problem is substandard welds.

@rodx5571 Месяц назад

I bought a used 1988 5th wheel. I live in it on my property. I paid 2000$. I fix what fails. No frame issues. no leaks. A little rotted wood, but nothing hard to fix. 5 years now, it keeps me cool, warm and dry as needed.

@kimkrebs451 3 месяца назад

My tip for anyone getting into camping with an TV; get baby gates for your doors. It’ll help keep your dogs from bolting out the door. Also, do your research on the RV that you want and get an inspection!!

@mikecarr1484 3 месяца назад

I prefer tear drop style camping. Forces you outside. Instead of sitting inside. This might as well be a house

@mgysgtk8835 3 месяца назад

I will never buy another RV. I convinced my children never buy. All i talk to, i say never again.

@LizAmazing 3 месяца назад

It's mostly the ones built in the past four years that are nightmares. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Before you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html

@mgysgtk8835 3 месяца назад

@@LizAmazing perhaps. I own a 2022 bumper pull. Different company than this vlog. But, Never again. But i do miss my 1990s Shasta. That was a good RV.

@backtoasimplelife 3 месяца назад

Don't buy a Covid or post Covid camper period, and especially not an elcheapo trailer. Everything is pretty much junk now. We are looking for older fifth wheels that were well built and high quality, like Teton, high end Newmar, upper end Carriage, Lifestyle, KZ Escalade, etc. These campers were built better and should still be good assuming they were well maintained. @@mgysgtk8835

@jetdriver 3 месяца назад

I’m glad to see Alliance did the right thing here. I would suggest this couple look at a Brinkley. Their frames and significantly more robust than what other manufacturers are using.

@OmahaWayne 3 месяца назад

LMFAO, its a lippert frame. No better then anybody else is doing. Brinkley is a master of making people think spending full profile price for a mid pro camper means its better. AKA Suckers Charge 25 K more for a camper filled with the cheapest furrion trash their is.

@onazram1 Месяц назад

Great job Liz, I wish all these folks could have this result.. It's heart breaking to see what they go through.

@Tatiacha 3 месяца назад

I wish we could get reliable info on whether these companies are under-engineering these frames consistently or if the issues are really with Lippert having bad quality control and having issues like bad welding or using some kind of substandard steel or cutting corners somewhere. If it is Lippert, and these RV manufacturers want to regain our trust they need to file a collective lawsuit against Lippert and put their feet to the fire.

@OmahaWayne 3 месяца назад

And who will supply them with frames while that happens? Losing your entire source of income while you sue lippert would not be a good move. Even if they win the lawsuit, whats it matter if your business is gone?

@Tatiacha 3 месяца назад

@@OmahaWayne those kinds of lawsuits happen in the background all the time while business goes on as usual. That being said there are other manufactures that make their own frames, they are already doing the engineering if they cared about the survival of their business why would they not start to head in that direction instead of allowing Lippert to destroy their business with shoddy work. If you are getting substandard parts from a supplier you either find a new supplier, make the part yourself, or do something to get that supplier to up their standards and quality control.

@vintageiron6905 3 месяца назад

So glad we have a 1957 gm 4104 bus!

@gundy99223 3 месяца назад

Thank you, people need to know that this lifestyle is on hold or over until a corporation steps up and changes the marketplace completely.

@NeedtoSpeak 3 месяца назад

Liz…all of your posted videos tell stunning stories, but this is so clear and concise about the issues.

@SKYKOP1972 3 месяца назад

Boy I cant wait to run out and buy a new RV. I'll keep my 2004 5'er.

@ralphp3057 3 месяца назад

That is great the Company stepped up and bought it back ! This entire problem with the RV industry poorly built units will most likely continue! Too many un trained and unqualified workers starting at the Top ! Sad really! Thanks Liz for help getting the word out!👍

@pmh1nic 23 дня назад

Will they build you a new trailer on a different frame other than Lippert? We RVed for 10 years in two RV’s, a KZ and Jayco. Fortunately there were no major problems and the minor ones they immediately took care of under warranty. A VERY THOROUGH pre delivery inspection is a must. We spent three hours inspecting everything (including testing every outlet). We told the dealer the day before picking we would be testing and running every system and inspecting in, under and on top of the trailer. I think that was motivation for them to make sure there wouldn’t be any obvious issues we would find. Of course identifying an issue with the frame is difficult to do. I’m not sure how you can protect yourself in that situation. Some things you just have to trust that the manufacturer did it right.

@karap5882 3 месяца назад

Liz - you truly are amazing. I think it's so great how you are using your youtube platform to help people!

@waynesmith2549 3 месяца назад

Liz, keep it up! They are hoping people go camping 2/times.a.year and after the second year the warranty is.over. Most people won't follow up cuz its a pain.. That is what they are hoping for.

@themetadaemon 3 месяца назад

My guess is a whole lotta silicone is going to get pumped into the RV to keep is waterproof until the warranty is out.

@davidelliot9884 3 месяца назад

My father was stationed at Fort Sill and we lived in Lawton, OK.

@737Parkie 3 месяца назад

Instead of buying an RV we bought a home in Medicine Park OK just north of Ft Sill. We love the Wichita Mountains!

@davidelliot9884 3 месяца назад

@@737Parkie I remember driving up Mount Scott

@vanceg4901 3 месяца назад

One thing I don't understand is when a company delivers a definitive RV, why doesn't the consumer just reject/return it like one would do with any other defective product?

@lianerogers2665 3 месяца назад

I am pleased Liz helped you. Look at Brinkley toy hauler model G. They make their own frames. Outdoors RV, and Artic Fox are excellent too.

@opencarry3860 3 месяца назад

The only trailer I would ever consider purchasing would be a pre-2000 Airstream.

@737Parkie 3 месяца назад

We had a 2017 Lance Camper. No issues at all.

@br31000 3 месяца назад

Thank you Liz Amazing for helping these people out! You’re tireless work has saved many RV’ers from financial disaster I hope you’re taking care of yourself as this must be so stressful to hear everyone’s story 🤕

@steveo601 26 дней назад

The box is completely comprised 😬🫤

@julefos3344 3 месяца назад

Thank you again! The stories you feature are so helpful for everyone! Awesome content! I'm learning so much from your videos.

@tinaanderson7523 3 месяца назад

I am always shocked at the troubles people have with their RV’s. I guess we were fortunate. We bought a 2021 Grand Design Reflection and we absolutely love it. We have not had any issues at all (other than a small one with our sofa that was fixed) and we feel very fortunate about it. Thanks, Liz, for helping others with their problems.

@nancycain4434 3 месяца назад

I am glad it worked out for them. I'm very thankful Liz that you have this RU-vid channel. And you're holding the manufacturing companies feet to the fire.

@tmanning4usa 3 месяца назад

hello liz i just found your rv youtube page and i am glad i did because i have been looking around and watching a lot of rv channels because i am getting ready to retire and thinking about purchasing a new rv and travel around the country and i did not know about the problems with new rvs and i am glad you are shedding light on the problems so i don't fall into the same trap. thanks keep up the good work.

@onrycodger 5 дней назад

You are definately getting everyone's attention. And rightfully so.👍

@karenkramer3760 3 месяца назад

You are providing quite the service. Good job!

@Pixl8dwhmsy 3 месяца назад

You're the best! 💕 Thanks for everything you do! Been watching you for years, you're so genuine and I think that is your secret weapon! I appreciate your work helping others save time, money, and tears. Have a great weekend!

@michaelrubin2240 3 месяца назад

Liz keep up the good work you do exposing all these RV horror stories. Will stick to our 4Runner tents and hotels

@Stone2Street 3 месяца назад

Thank You Liz for being an Advocate and Stress Support for Former and Future Rv Purchasers in this Rv Industry of Third Rate Services.

@Gsnoop440 3 месяца назад

Im so glad that they bought it back for these people that is exactly what should happen. Thanks Liz for helping them.

@KittyCat-kx7pl 3 месяца назад

You know I have a 1967 Aladdin sultans palace. It’s a double axle,with bathroom,shower, kitchen bed and dining frankly that’s all we need. We sanded down the roof seal t down to the metal and resealed with snow roof, it will not leak in a rain storm. We still have to do the remodel on it but I would not buy any of the new garbage. They need to pass laws in manufacturing like they do the same detail of and safety as cars. We won’t ever sell everything and RV full time that won’t happen. Log house on 5 acres in a beautiful valley. But we are interested in rv traveling. Do you have stories on TRUCK campers

@ryanwolf7174 3 месяца назад

Hey, Liz, thank you for having our backs. It's nice to know that you're on our side and watching out for us.❤❤❤ Keep up the good work. Keep posting more videos

@brandonberg7703 4 дня назад

The Toy Haulers needs X bracing. One towards the front of the 5th wheel and the other one in the back to keep the frame twisting. I've seen frames that are not even a 8th inches thick being built. So thin where the leaf springs points are bending the C channel frames. People trying to weld little plates at those points. I believe that if 5th wheel frame should be at least 1/4 inch thick and rhino painted and not spray painted.

@j.l.salayao8055 3 месяца назад

Go DRV FUllHouse, it has 3 stack frames and in between are American cheese. This rv is the way to go when hauling anything heavy in the garage. Aliance now then Brisket might follow suit. I'll take DRV FullHouse as a fulltimer for six years and counting.

@andrewhill3971 3 месяца назад

Liz, you are a Godsend to help everyone with their RV difficulties and get the manufactures attention.

@izzakzamora 3 месяца назад

I have the same model from Alliance, and I have had life threatening issues as well! Electrical issues, unknown wiring issues, build quality, pex piping bad installation. I have been trying for over a year to fix these things while struggling to keep up with it myself.

@shaneksmith1957 3 месяца назад

WOW! Amazing job! We have a 2016 Raptor fifth wheel. We've had to do something with almost everything on it. I call it The Craptor! I wish we had your tenacity to get things settled. I always thought we should all surround the manufactures buildings and not let anyone out until all our rigs were fixed!