Out-of-Warranty Tesla Battery Life: The TRUTH

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My Tesla Model 3 battery warranty expired so I performed a battery health test to find out the actual battery life after 5 years and 120,000 miles.
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Recently I surpassed 120,000 miles on my 2018 Tesla Model 3. I’ve saved tens of thousands of dollars by not buying gas or oil. But if you’re familiar with Tesla’s warranty then you’ll know that the bad news is my battery warranty has expired. Battery replacement cost is probably the biggest fear of people who are hesitant to buy an electric vehicle. But based on Tesla’s 2022 Impact Report, they think it’s is a non-issue by showing that even after 200,000 miles their batteries only lose an average of 12% of their capacity. Let’s find out if this is actually a legitimate concern by using my Tesla Model 3 as a real life test. When I first got my Model 3 the estimated range on a full charge was 310 miles. But we all know that batteries degrade over time and hold less charge after a certain amount of cycles.
But the Lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles are not the same and are not used the same as those in mobile devices. The chemistry is different, allowing for more cycles and longer life. EVs also have thermal management systems that ensure stable operation in optimal conditions. When it comes to electric vehicles, the battery is by far the most important and most expensive component of the car. Fortunately for owners, Tesla has a really good battery warranty which covers the battery & drive unit on a Long Range Model 3 for a period of 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, and this assures the battery will have at least a 70% retention of capacity over the warranty period. How do we determine the battery health other than the estimated range? Using an app like Recurrent is one way to track battery health. Another way is to do an actual real world driving test by charging to 100% then driving at a relatively slow steady speed until the battery dies and see how many kWh the car used. But there’s also an even more official battery health test from within the car itself.
The Model 3 has four battery modules that Elon Musk said costs around $5,000-$7,000 per module back in 2019. However, even if just one battery module goes bad, Tesla still replaces the entire battery pack because the they want to be sure that the battery has 100% health and they can’t do that when they mix and match modules at the service centers. Instead, they send old battery packs to their battery plants to be refurbished. According to a Tesla invoice from 2020, a 75kWh battery replacement for a Model 3 costs $16,550 with the actual battery costing $13,500.
That’s quite an expensive repair, but I’ve always been adamant that I probably won’t ever have to replace my Model 3 battery based on my estimated range so far which has been quite impressive. I try to follow healthy charging habits by avoiding Supercharging and charging mostly at home and only charging to 80% for daily driving and rarely going below 20% state of charge. Recurrent says my Model 3 has an excellent range score of 93 and my expected range is around 280 miles which is only about 10% degradation so far after 120,000 miles. I’m going to take the risk and keep driving my Model 3, but what would you do in this situation?
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@CozmicTaco1 Год назад

Andy is the reason i wanted to buy a tesla. I bought it back in 2020, 1 year after purchasing my tesla i was in a car accident and i truly think Tesla saved my life. when firefighter paramedics came to check on me they told me that if the car wasn't as bottom heavy as it was i would have most likely rolled. i came out of the accident with a totaled car and no injuries other than a mild concussion, bumps, bruises and scratches. Thank you Tesla for making the safest rated car in the world.

@mostmost1 Год назад

Thanks for that info.

@billcichoke2534 Год назад

That's funny...a car without a glass roof rolled down a cliff and the people didn't even need emergency services to get out. And it was a Hyundai Elantra. Better results regardless of ending position...one third the cost.

@CozmicTaco1 Год назад

@@billcichoke2534 the real tragedy was driving a Hyundai

@Gremlin256 Год назад

What car did you replace it with. Glad to hear you are ok

@billcichoke2534 Год назад

@CozmicTaco Agree as it's a quality vehicle. But then again, neither is a Tesla. Same lower build quality, but the Hyundai is 1/3 as much money. And is less reliant on software.

@rvboondocker2559 Год назад

93% is a 7% loss from 100%. Your battery health is fabulous!

@chargeheadsuk 6 месяцев назад

Mine is circa 88% at 98k I did a test on my channel

@danng0756 5 месяцев назад

This is how I interpreted it too, lol.

@walther89 5 месяцев назад

yet you dont know when it goes bad instantly, there no wear marks for it to find to prevent this.

@mddunlap03 4 месяца назад

The issue is the sudden deaths definitely happen and unlike a car I can't go grab a used one for 1500$ and drop it in the car is just a toatal loss at that point

@mr.robot.5.9 4 месяца назад

this is not true. it is not showing health lost, it is showing pack health. source - I work for Tesla.

@georgyudalov3796 Год назад

We've been trying to reach you concerning your vehicle's extended warranty !😂😂😂

@babyyoda8195 Год назад

$16k is way cheaper than buying a new car

@jazziez6467 5 дней назад

@@babyyoda8195 you can get a nice used car for 16 grand

@ProXcaliber Год назад

Fantastic video! I would imagine that 7% is the amount of degradation, meaning you've lost 7% of battery life, which would align with what you are seeing on the Recurrent page or a close approximation at least (310 - 7%= 288.3). On a side note, it's mind-blowing how well it's holding up. I don't drive nearly as much, so I can only imagine that in cases like mine, the battery could possibly last 10 years easily. In my current car, I only have 13K miles after 2 years of ownership, and I don't see it getting over 30K before I sell it. It makes me wonder if manufacturers should all start valuing EVs, based on battery health and not just mileage, similar to what Recurrent is doing. It only makes sense to do so in a car that has very few wear items on it. The old system made sense because engines had only a certain life before they started giving issues, but now, it doesn't make sense to keep the current system for EVs.

@Airplanefan477 Год назад

wow 13k in 2 yrs!! I've got 27k and I've had my M3P 10 months!!

@ProXcaliber Год назад

@@Airplanefan477 Yeah, I mostly only drive to and from work, pickup the kids from school, occasional Costco runs, and once in a while a short vacation trip. Daily though I only drive about 30 or so miles.

@MG-uu6vt Год назад

It also seemed to me that the 93 range score may mean that you have lost only 7% of charging capacity. I suggest you check with Tesla and use the info to publish a follow up video.

@laloajuria4678 Год назад

nope.

@abeibrahim5846 Год назад

I said the same without reading your note - great minds think alike 🙂

@martinramirez1166 Год назад

I have a 2018 model 3 long range with a bit over 160k miles fully charged my car also gets 280 miles hope it keeps working this well for years to come

@jianbinchen2881 6 месяцев назад

do u really get 280 miles?

@Daddychill945 5 месяцев назад

@@jianbinchen2881no

@dunes4242 4 месяца назад

In good weather only

@martinramirez1166 4 месяца назад

@@dunes4242 well definitely true thankfully I live in California so it’s always pretty good

@martinramirez1166 4 месяца назад

@@jianbinchen2881 no official testing but I’ve driven from the South Bay to los Angeles California multiple times and the numbers seem decent

@joshmills7368 Год назад

7% health is how much you’ve lost.. not the overall battery 🪫 health

@witness1013 Год назад

No it isn't.

@adam060577 Год назад

Yes it is. It is the battery degradation

@joshmills7368 Год назад

@@adam060577 yup

@witness1013 Год назад

@@adam060577 No - it 100% is NOT - that's a fact, I'm not guessing. Does that mean my 4 month old car - which reads 100% on that test is 100% unhealthy ? You're a clown. Check the 100's of other videos showing results in the 80% plus range for same car - and keep dreaming about owning a Tesla!

@mrnarason Год назад

The fact that the guy didn't catch that makes him seem slow af

@patriot0971 6 месяцев назад

I have a Model Y with 70k miles ... super happy with it.

@Sir...... Месяц назад

what year? base? awd? long range? thanks

@damaliamarsi2006 8 месяцев назад

long charge time, low range and massive depreciation high electricity costs high replacement costs, high materials cost, high weight that destroys tires, and now way higher registration costs killed the electric car for me. I am now driving a gas hybrid that gets 36 mpg and is cheaper to drive per mile than my model 3 when you take in high electricity / supercharging costs, tire replacement, registration fees and time spent charging which includes extra time spent driving to stay on the supercharger network and the fact that every thousand miles of driving on a road trip takes 3 extra hours in a tesla to charge. For me the tesla was costing 1500 per year in charging and lost time., gas for the same trips driven will cost 800 per year and save me 4 days of driving time just on the two road trips I take per year. Having over 500 miles of range is awesome as I only refill twice month and that takes 65 dollars. Oil changes are cheap and only ever 10k so going back to gas was the best decision I have ever made. My car also has a history of lasting 600k miles without any issues or more which is about 40 years before I even have to worry about replacing any major parts. Also I release co2 which helps the environment (plant food) and feel much better about increasing my local carbon footprint to help the plants and thus the circle of life.

@carperdiem8754 Год назад

Would be really nice if down the road you could get an upgraded pack (range and/or chemistry) if replacement is needed.

@jasonstapley6822 Месяц назад

That would be awesome to turn a standard range into a long range.

@Neroi21 3 месяца назад

If you have to replace your battery, how much are they giving for the current battery in the car? No one talks about that

@MichaelrennieG Год назад

maybe 7% is 93% good, meaning health you have lost 7% of life,

@Berretotube Год назад

I think you’re spot on!!

@fiat.freakx19 Год назад

That’s what I’m assuming also!!

@precogtyrant 19 дней назад

but it clearly says battery health is 7%, NOT 7% lost. Nowhere there is an indication that it is the loss and not the actual health.

@raymondtrippy3610 Год назад

Andy, please do a follow up on this as we all are looking forward to the outcome, Thanks much

@RoschetzkyPhotography Год назад

For real!!!!

@genisphyla 7 месяцев назад

Yea

@mattrowan2680 7 месяцев назад

@@genisphyla Consumer Reports and Edmunds tell a vastly different story vs. this video and these comments. Further, the recent Chicago area cold temps showed the world what really happens with EVs in cold weather. The "range" numbers drop unbelievably. Nope...I think I'll take Consumer Reports & Edmund's word and stick to my Toyota ICE with a battery that I can buy at O'Reilly's and install myself without spending 20 or 30 grand. Or tires that wear prematurely and cost 2 grand to replace.

@maxpower8170 2 месяца назад

my 2015 model S with 126k miles just die :/ that's how I got to this video. It is funny that it went out at 126K miles and the warranty covers until 125K 🙃

@voldar70 Год назад

This is why the Service mode is for professionals and not for everyone. As others already said, the 7% is the number of the battery degradation in the case of your LR. Being that the range number seen at 100% isn’t a number based on past driving history but on a BMS algorithm computation, the degradation of the battery can’t be determined easily by owners. Especially in cases when people use their car only for driving 30-40 miles a day. In those cases the range number is fluctuating because the BMS can’t read the max and the min voltage of the battery pack. So drive once in a while your battery from 100% to 3-5% SOC in a single run (no stop) to help the BMS to relearn the real Min and max cells voltage on your pack.

@jamesdawny1855 Год назад

Or people could just be taught or the instructions could be clear. It says battery health 7/%. Not battery drag ruin 7%. So it's unclear and y'all tryna get on dude like it's funny.

@Fear.of.the.Dark. 11 месяцев назад

I have seen numbers like 95% or 99% for newer cars. So are you saying their battery is 95% degraded in that case ;)

@pebble100c 9 месяцев назад

The label should have said Battery Degradation rather that Battery Health.

@9mmfederalrimmed235 9 месяцев назад

"They" on purpose use confuscating language in order to maintain the monopoly of repair and knowledge over the car. They could easily described the item in normal understandable language like "Total battery degradation on this battery since you received it new". That would do it and any child would understand it instead of this lawyer yibberish not even the judge understands lest the jury which normally has no clue whats going on and thus relies completely on emotions. Put that description in clear language and then no "professional" is needed to read a simple book.

@sailingonasummerbreeze7892 8 месяцев назад

@@9mmfederalrimmed235 Such truth on juries relying on emotion.

@andrewfuller8440 5 месяцев назад

At 10 years I had 105,000 miles on my model S. Battery failed, 16,000 dollars later, and I have less range than the first battery, I can’t recommend buying the replacement battery , it’s junk

@InternetExplorer-s9g 22 дня назад

I can buy a 10 years old diesel car for 3000 yankee bucks and drive it for 10 years

@tjmattingly33 7 дней назад

@@InternetExplorer-s9g You can't find a diesel for $3k. You're lying.

@InternetExplorer-s9g 7 дней назад

@@tjmattingly33 plenty of good diesel cars for 3000-4000 euros in europe

@monomille1 9 месяцев назад

This reminds me of the time I went to a health portal and misread test results to mean I had cancer. Feels great when you find out from a professional that you are wrong.

@ignaughtglautz2608 Год назад

I don’t think you have much to worry about, we live near Vancouver Canada which is a magnet for thousands of TESLA’s (there are five on our street alone) of various models primarily 3’s and Y’s even saw a PLAID the other day. Considering the S has been around for over ten years I have never heard of a battery or electric motor failure in a S or any other TESLA for that matter.

@grazz7865 Год назад

The battery replacement is about $20,000. Car isn’t worth half that at this point. That’s why buying them used is buyer beware because, even on a test drive, you have no real idea of the condition of the battery.

@lilah66 4 месяца назад

I can't get my EGO electric leaf blower battery to last past 2 years. God help someone with an electric car.

@parterojerry 4 месяца назад

So, for a buyer to consider buying a high mileage Electric car, it must be cheap, because I know that I will have to plan to service the battery in the near future!

@grazz7865 4 месяца назад

@@parterojerry exactly. A test drive around the block will not tell you the condition of that battery.

@Alss383 4 месяца назад

I've replaced batteries on S-E-X-Y while still under the 4 year warranty.

@patrickkillabrew6207 3 месяца назад

Can’t learn much about a used ICE motor on a test drive either.

@joshuarosen465 2 дня назад

Im 70. In my life the most i ever got on a car was 123K miles before it had to be towed away. At 10 or 11 years everything starts to fail and its not worth putting the money in to keep it going. If you have 120K miles already youve gotten your monies worth. Everything after that is gravy. Chances are you'll be able to get 200K but no matter what just drive it until the battery fails, then scrap the car. When repair costs start to approach the blue book value the smart thing to do is to scrap the car and get a new one.

@wdbldr67 Год назад

I'm about to surpass 100k miles on my 2018 and my range loss from 310 miles is down to around 294 to 297. I have ran my car to less than 10% several times and range charge on road trips and about once every 6 to 8 weeks. Recently discovered that charging to various percentages maintains the most accurate on screen readings. So some times 70% 80% but the majority of my charging ends up at 90%. In 2021 it was only charging to 283-285 for the whole summer and then increased by the end of the year and there has been no drop in my range since then. It's all relative 😁

@gtbigdog3507 Год назад

I’m half that and I only get 275 miles

@davidbeppler3032 Год назад

@@gtbigdog3507 Do you live in the artic?

@gtbigdog3507 Год назад

@@davidbeppler3032 Los Angeles

@ithinkicanmakethat6294 4 месяца назад

@@gtbigdog3507you live in traffic. 275 makes sense, no?

@aceventuraaceventura2003 Год назад

All these maths don't mean anything until you actually go through the ownership cycle. Most people won't experience any of it as they change cars on average 3-5 years. It really applied to those that keeps their vehicles 10 years or more, which is me. I am not against EVs in general but not for it either. I think there's better alternative, and still waiting for more options. But it's definitely makes for a good dinner table discussion.

@jpizel1070 4 месяца назад

Exactly. I have never kept a car for longer than 4 years so it all depends on your needs and if you are planning to keep it long term.

@garrettstickel1189 3 месяца назад

Electric cars are harder to sell pre owned.

@InternetExplorer-s9g 22 дня назад

@@garrettstickel1189 because EVs are disposable cars

@michaelreda8447 5 месяцев назад

It's almost been a year since this video came out, would you happen to have an update on battery health?

@jazziez6467 3 месяца назад

probably not good, including those $120 12volts constantly going bad

@luciiacob Месяц назад

Yes, he does: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xp5kD9IPt44.html

@jaykid007 6 дней назад

I asked the same

@janssen995 18 часов назад

Queensland Australia. I have 2019 Model 3 standard range, now 110 000 KM started with 340 km range, now 320 km range. Using power from my solar panels and home battery. 5 years only cost 4 new tyres (plus ins. rego etc) Twice had to steal some air from a petrol station.

@howardschoenberger3526 Год назад

I would tend to believe what others have said that 7% (100-93) is the degradation. That would match the figure that Recurrent comes up with.

@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi Год назад

That doesn't make sense at all. iPhones also have battery healthy which counts down from 100%. 7% does really mean it is reaching end of it's life but how do you define end of life? That's defined by Tesla. The battery may well perform 70% capacity after 200K miles.

@ProXcaliber Год назад

@@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi In my mind, it makes sense. It seems to me that their intention is giving a percentage to the range you can expect at a full charge. If the range when brand new is 310 miles at 100%, and then you subtract this 7% figure, you end up at 288.3 miles of range when charged to 100%. So in essence, you've lost 7% of range when at 100% full charge. Which aligns with both what the screen on the Tesla says and what the Recurrent website shows.

@mrh3085 Год назад

@@ProXcaliberI did the rudimentary math after charging my 2019 M3P to 100%. It showed 285 miles. Based on a starting point of 310 miles that’s 8% degradation. Not as entailed as the service mode option performed here but seems to correlate.

@ProXcaliber Год назад

@@mrh3085 Then you would be correct! The only other way to get a more concrete answer is to take it to Tesla directly and have them do a full service of the battery.

@Jett_Heller Год назад

In regards to your concerns about the battery health of 7% I am wondering whether the display is correct but sort of inversed. You have a range score of 93 (%?) yet a battery health of 7% (add both figures and get 100). Could it actually be that the battery has only degraded 7%, ie 93% healthy? I hope you find the answer.

@linusa2996 Год назад

Battery capacity is not the only measure of battery health and some of the warnings and failure reports are hidden from the owners by tesla. In one reported incident, the owner used the diagnostic program to check on the battery and it warned him an error in one of the battery modules. Tesla fixed the problem by having the diagnostic program stop reporting the problem.

@jedi_mapperp4073 Год назад

Out of Spec Reviews got the same puzzling result, and he charges only to 50-70% at home. Like others have suggested, it’s more likely the 7% is your battery degradation. Your current range estimates are consistent with 7% degradation.

@Afynion 6 месяцев назад

@gw-117 12 дней назад

Your phobia of sharks is valid Andy

@timower5850 Год назад

Is it possible that the 7% actually indicates how much the battery has degraded? It certainly correlates with the 93 range score.

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

NO, because he's degraded more than 7% by his own statistics. You'll lose 3-5 % in the first year alone and after that its all a guessing game.

@timower5850 Год назад

@@alexnutcasio936 Did you even watch the video? The Recurrent app gave him a range score of 93, and his admittedly not too accurate "charge up and drive down" calculations came in at "around 90%". Certainly, all these would be in acceptable margins of error if, indeed. the "7" in question meant the amount of degradation that had taken place.

@JoeMcMorrow-k7e 7 месяцев назад

@@alexnutcasio936 thats an average and not an absolute.

@kingofl337 2 месяца назад

I've had two batteries fail in my 21 Model 3 Performance. One day it says, unable to charge contact service. Both have been under warranty, so I looked up how much a used battery is just in case the day comes when I need a replacement on my dime. Searching on car-part, there are multiple batteries for sale for $3000.00. I would consider this similar to needing a new motor in an ICE car. You can also balance the battery and re-run the battery health test.

@LectricGo Год назад

Mileage is not the concern. Calendar time is the big issue. I've had various battery chemistries in various plug-in hybrid models. The company I worked for had a fleet of hybrids. Pretty consistently, at around year 10, regardless of mileage or battery chemistry, batteries start failing.

@tiloalo 10 месяцев назад

Exactly why tesla offered unlimited mileage for 8 years with the first model s.

@daughtersofthunder4642 Год назад

This video is really on point because I am currently at 115,000 miles with my 2019 Tesla model 3. Thanks again for all of your help and The Truth!

@HansKruse Год назад

The issue is not degradation, it is cell failures or electronics failure inside the battery pack. But packs can be repaired!

@LuckyAeon Год назад

And where can he go to repair the battery pack? Is Tesla doing it? Yes there’s a difference but that doesn’t help the current situation

@HansKruse Год назад

@@LuckyAeon It depends on where you are. Gruber Motors in the US. In europe a number of 3rd party service partners by EVhub in Norway. Much cheaper than Tesla.

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

At what cost are they repaired or replaced??

@HansKruse Год назад

@@alexnutcasio936 It depends on where and what it is. I have no idea where you from....

@tazeat Год назад

And for lower volume cars with proprietary packs that are not Tesla? Gonna be some unhappy owners at some point when warranties start ending on a lot of the BEVs sold in the last couple years in the US.

@GOLFandWRX 10 месяцев назад

I have a coworker who has 160K miles on his 2018 LR model 3. He dropped 20% of his range in the first 100K miles and now his battery shows < 40 miles of range. Service center manager told him, "You drove over 150K miles, what did you think would happen?" - it wasn't a $15K bill.

@MrTimmyGT 9 дней назад

Yea, amazing how many people have the same "coworker" story lmao

@levimatthew8911 3 дня назад

@@MrTimmyGTyup. Happened to my coworker. same thing.

@DOB27011966 Год назад

I have done approx 20k miles on a 2022 Model Y LR in 8 months. I plan on keeping it until I can no longer drive. (I am on my lay 50s now). Will replay the battery as needed. So I would say keep it….

@kv1930 7 месяцев назад

I hope you are right sir! By the time you reach 85yrs there will be full self driving!

@jamesr.9239 Год назад

Weighing the cost of battery replacement against the cost of a new car might lead one to just go with a new battery and save 30K on a new car purchase. However, I personally would be concerned about the drive assembly and the rest of the car's systems after more than a decade on the road. All these concerns have lead me to be skeptical about buying a used EV but you have at least shown that the battery question is less of a concern than I imagined, at least for a used Tesla.

@BrenttheGreat Год назад

I bought a used 2012 model s and after 1000 miles had to replace the $7500 powertrain. Not fun.

@lenacheney Год назад

@BrenttheGreat wow that really blows.

@BrenttheGreat Год назад

@@lenacheney Yeah! Darn it.

@tiloalo 10 месяцев назад

It is not, plenty of batteries just stop working altogether and you need to replace them. Degradation is clearly not the problem.

@lenacheney 10 месяцев назад

@tiloalo your right all of the people complaining about their ev batteries aren't about degradation but of sudden failure not under warranty. People like to overlook this and argue they can go for 300,000 miles. Also another issue with Ev batteries are they can spontaneously catch fire and take hours to put out as they keep catching on fire over and over and over

@BecauseTesla Год назад

I would recalibrate my BMS first. You can do this by depleting your battery to a percentage lower than 10%, leave it there for at least an hour, and then charge it up to 100% until the charger stops adding energy to the battery. Then go for a drive to bring it back down to your normal 80-90%. You may need to do this a couple of times. I'm getting pretty close to that 120k milestone too. I do have a Cybertruck reserved, so I need to make a decision to either keep both vehicles or sell the Model 3 that's out of warranty by then. Tough call...I really love my Model 3!

@jamessepulveda5202 Год назад

The battery test does this

@davidbeppler3032 Год назад

@@jamessepulveda5202 It does not deplete and recharge multiple times.

@RoschetzkyPhotography Год назад

I have a cy ertruck reservation too , but would rather trade in my wife's sgitty gad Chevy instead of the telsa model 3 with FSD

@irap1269 8 месяцев назад

This has never added any range for me.

@MrHarriskl18 5 месяцев назад

5:40 that means youll get a swift kick in the pants when you sell 😅

@tonyn3227 Год назад

This battery will last many more years, just keep this great car.

@TheSerenation Год назад

If youre concerned about battery degradation, just buy the LR model. Even with the off chance that down the line it has 30%-40% degradation, it should still have plenty of range for the everyday drive.

@bearcubdaycare Год назад

Actually, if daily driving is the concern, it's as good or better to buy the standard range, which is recommended to be charged to 100%, which gives as much range as a long range charged to 80%, and twice the expected cycle life, due to its lithium iron phosphate battery.

@TheSerenation Год назад

@@bearcubdaycare That's the first time I've heard this. Why such a drastically different battery between the two?

@jpizel1070 4 месяца назад

@@bearcubdaycare That has not been proven. Most of the highest mileage Model 3 recorded are actually LR not LFP batteries per reports shown in the Electric Viking channel.

@pascalbruyere7108 Год назад

Renault has addressed this issue by offering to lease the battery instead of owning it. It is like a permanent warranty, or an insurance, at a monthly cost. Right now it’s about $74 per month. Less than one gas fill up (~$8+ per gallon in Europe).

@NextGHaHaHa 8 месяцев назад

hm this insurance has the potential to go very wrong imagine your tesla battery dies on its last year of warranty you will get a new one for free meaning you would have payed 7200$ of insurance with the renault for nothing

@wshyangify 4 месяца назад

@@NextGHaHaHaHave you ever had an iPhone that lasted 8 years?

@NextGHaHaHa 4 месяца назад

@@wshyangify has an iphone more than one battery cell or active thermal management?

@syarbainim4598 2 месяца назад

"battery health" in the context of a Tesla or any other electric vehicle typically refers to "battery degradation." Battery degradation describes the process where a battery's capacity to hold a charge diminishes over time and with use. When you see a battery health percentage, such as 7%, it indicates the percentage of capacity that the battery has lost compared to when it was new. For example, if a Tesla Model 3 originally had a battery capacity of 100%, and its battery health now shows 93%, this means the battery has experienced 7% degradation (Tesla Updates) (EvsGuy) (Electrek). Battery degradation is influenced by various factors, including: Usage patterns: Frequent high-power use or deep discharges can accelerate degradation. Charging habits: Regularly charging to 100% or allowing the battery to discharge completely can negatively impact battery health. Environmental conditions: Extreme temperatures, both hot and cold, can accelerate battery wear.

@jimsEVadventures Год назад

Drive it…the replacement cost us the same no matter WHEN it happens in the lifecycle. 👍

@michaelkeudel8770 Год назад

well it could get cheaper as commodity prices drop eventually, kind of an uncontrolled cost.

@mrchad97z49 Год назад

i'm not afraid of buying an electric vehicle... I'm afraid of buying an electric vehicle that is more than 5 years old! And it's not that a battery dies in 5 years, but rather you only have a few more years left and then you have a big bill, because everyone knows that when batteries get old, they dont hold a charge as long and so the range will be more limited than what it already is.. So what this means is that the value of electric vehicles are not worth nearly as much after 5 years because of the cost to keep it running, specifically the battery replacement. So this should be a warning for all those who are wanting to buy a used electric vehicle. You better make sure you get it at a discount! or at least make sure that you've already calculated how much it's going to cost you to replace the battery when it happens. And if you think you're just gonna sell the car before the battery dies, then what about the next person that tries to buy it from you after you've had it for two more years? they are going to say the same thing, "it's not worth it! "Lower the price".. Electric vehicles have a sooner death than ice cars. I see lots of waste in the future for these electric vehicles because of Churn! People wont want to replace a battery for 10k to 20k So you just throw it away.. And for that reason, there will not be very many old electric vehicles on the road. with a high depreciation rate for those who are aware

@KyleErb Год назад

Out of spec did the same test and got a similar result the first time. He found out there’s more to the test to make it accurate.

@davidbeppler3032 Год назад

Yep. Professionals have the tools and know how. That is why you pay them. :)

@officialyasir Год назад

@@davidbeppler3032there are no special tools needed to run the battery health test. When out of spec got a similar result as Andy, Kyle contacted Tesla service who confirmed there's a bug in the system that was causing incorrect battery health test results.

@haroldc3328 4 месяца назад

What we should be concerned is BMS imbalance… not degradation, degradation has been proven not to be a significant issue with electric cars. The most common cause of battery failure is cell imbalance. That’s the concerning part of owning an Ev outside warranty and the main thing keeping me from buying an EV outside US, Asia and Europe. I want to buy an EV and send it to the Caribbean but battery cell imbalance has me worried

@seanhunt7750 Год назад

Tesla should make their battery warranty valid for 200,000 miles to give more people confidence in the longevity of electric cars.

@krishnastock Год назад

The vast majority of car buyers continue to purchase ICE cars whose engines are definitely NOT warrantied to 200K miles!

@strongerandwiser2023 4 месяца назад

The value of a 100k miles 2020 model 3 here in the uk is around 14k. if the battery goes you aint replacing it. Your just going to part the car out and be done with it. These are not cars that should be repaired. They should be recycled or scrapped once they battery life goes bad.

@barriewilliams4526 Год назад

Toyota, Škoda diesels one 13 years old the other 15 years old with over 300,000 miles each on the clock, and both cars still running fine, using no oil between changes, and the fuel consumption being pretty much the same as when they were new. Should your Tesla manage to achieve a similar age and mileage, I wonder what state the battery would be in. The other thing that I would find interesting would be, how a Tesla with say 200,000 miles or so on the clock sell on? Used car dealers here in the UK seem reluctant to take in part exchange high mileage EVs........

@davidashley4386 2 месяца назад

Or even stock EV’s

@davidashley4386 2 месяца назад

And how much have you spent on fuel ? This guy has free supercharging which basically means free fuel for life !

@Tman76 2 месяца назад

I have seen some cars that said their battery was fine until a day or two before it dies. Where I live you have to reveal a known issue - so if you know the battery is at 7% you have to say that when selling or face a lawsuit.

@benkanobe7500 Год назад

Did you do a follow-up on this to get a Tesla interpretation of what "7%" is supposed to mean? What about the other data provided by doing the test, what does it mean? Would you consider running the test on her/your Model Y for comparison?

@dunes4242 Год назад

Smart meters can be shut of with a computer, the government can ask the power companies to turn your power of during emergencies measures whenever they want you to not go out driving. You lose your freedom to go anywhere unless you have access to power. Not interested in electrical vehicles

@ithinkicanmakethat6294 4 месяца назад

It quite honest doesn’t matter. If the power is out, you’re not getting gas…

@dunes4242 4 месяца назад

@@ithinkicanmakethat6294 not true there are a few that have back up generators. If you don't, ask or drive around and on 1 corner you will see a line up 3 stations closed and 1 open where one of the gas attendees will run out and tell you that cards won't be working but cash will.

@davidkinch2100 Год назад

I have a performance at 140,000kms. I spent 3 months last year travelling in the car using superchargers. When I did the test, I got 86%. I am keeping it until it's dead. But I think a important thing to keep in mind is the battery pack price is going down. With faster and better manufacturing and improvements in scale. That price is dropping like the price to buy the car new.

@DerekVuong7799 Год назад

Tesla has honestly reach their economy of scale and by the time you're replacing it I doubt they will use the same battery technology. You'll probably be using refurbished batteries that people combine good cells with.

@jd6197 10 месяцев назад

The new factory produces NEW batteries which are not compatible with old cars, so, don't expect a big drop

@garrettstickel1189 3 месяца назад

Also.. most resources for building the battery are sourced in China...

@monkeyrun 2 месяца назад

it's really not a nonissue for people who have the replace the battery out of warranty.

@zodiacfml Год назад

Supercharging is the weakness of these batteries, increased cell death and reduced cycle life. They should add something like a warranty limitation for Supercharging then add more warranty for age and mileage. LFP batteries appears to be more robust and would like to finally see it in the Model Y

@harmenjanwillems2018 Год назад

Uhm model Y already here with LFP. Many driving around here in Netherlands.

@ryandgarland Год назад

My ownership of a 2014 p85d with free supercharging has not shown this to be the case. I am surprised by the resilience.

@climatenomad 6 месяцев назад

not true. Actual statistical analysis of real cars shows no statistical difference between cars mostly supercharged vs. cars that seldom supercharged. Why? Probably because the BMS ensures that heat is kept within reasonable levels in either case. The rate of charge when heat is kept within reasonable range is also theoretically not relevant in actual research at Stanford so we have two clear pieces of evidence that Supercharging is not degrading packs

@zodiacfml 6 месяцев назад

@@climatenomad It's because Tesla replaces these packs under warranty, citing it as manufacturing defect. Many packs that are used for ride hailing consistently failed or lose modules or drop to half the range under frequent Supercharging. Whereas the expected effect is gradual loss of maximum range. I've heard many high mileage Teslas that did not have any issue with their battery packs that seldom SUpercharge

@joecoolioness6399 9 месяцев назад

In Michigan, I calculated 3 years ago that my ICE car cost me 10c per mile and my EV cost me 5c per mile to drive in gas/electicity. This has probably changed but since both gas and electricity went up it is still probably a good comparison. On my EV I also pay an additional $140 for registration to cover taxes that I do not pay on gas. So, to run my ICE car 15000 miles a year it cost me $1500 in gas. The EV cost me $890 to go the same miles. However, my EV cost $43,000 versus a similar sized ICE car that would have cost me about $10k less. This means on purely gas savings I would take 16 years to break even. I got the EV because I love how they drive, I love charging at home and having a full tank every morning. But these are not the answer unless battery tech takes at least a 4 fold leap in range and 4 fold reduction in charging times. And we still need to solve the pollution that making just the battery for the EV causes.

@ohger1 8 месяцев назад

You (we) also aren't paying for oil changes X4 every year, transmission service every 35K, and twice times or more brake jobs. We also don't need to worry about things like timing belts/water pumps, plugs, coils, etc. Although if you drive like me, the tires on an EV last about 80% as long as on a car with half the power.

@bandmetvelg4012 Год назад

Batteries on EV cars should be exchangeable. Just like the new law on mobile phones. So much better

@rreagan007 Месяц назад

They are exchangeable, for $15k to $20k

@Axethales Год назад

My 2020 Model S has lost 1% range after 80,000 miles driven. There are three issues that adversely impact battery life: 1. Times supercharged 2. Times charged to 100% or Times driven to 10% (or less) 3. Times you do 0-60 launches in performance vehicles. If you take care of your batteries they will last hundreds of thousands of miles.

@tiloalo 10 месяцев назад

No, they won't... nobody had to replace a battery due to degradation. It's always something else that fails (electronic, a single cell failing, ...). And that can happen anytime. Just see how many used Tesla S are on sale with a replaced battery pack way before reaching 200k moles.

@Axethales 10 месяцев назад

@@tiloalo Excessive heat coming in or going out is the main culprit of battery failure in a Tesla.

@tiloalo 10 месяцев назад

@Axethales from what I saw it's also very often the BMS that fails or water ingress that causes issues. And it also doesn't seems related to supercharging or abuse

@Dansk55 6 месяцев назад

Biggest cost for electric cars: resale value. No one will want to buy a Tesla with 200k miles. Let alone the depreciation hit you took after purchase

@AdamTreier 4 месяца назад

Man, I have been looking for a Model S/3 with 200k miles thinking they would be 12/15k... they are going for 20k yet.

@MichaelMillerJ 3 месяца назад

This is an odd comment. Imagine buying a Chevy with 200k miles, you're essentially buying a yard ornament lol

@rhdtv2002 3 месяца назад

Nobody likes to buy a ICE car with generally over 100k let alone 200k you can forget it. Mileage doesn’t mean anything in the EV world - it’s batter health that is more important

@willc5512 Месяц назад

@@MichaelMillerJ Running a cruze with 249K on it. Manual trans. It gets 175 miles a day most time. Turbo too. NOT a yard ornament. I cant even get a car into my yard!

@Network126 9 месяцев назад

This guy just unlocked developer mode for his rolling computer 😂

@garygorgo3600 Год назад

By any chance did you ask Tesla Service Department what the 7% degradation means?? Really enjoy your videos.

@brendandonegan2150 Год назад

Was the term Degradation used? I heard and red "Battery Health".

@Laissez_Faire 9 месяцев назад

So Tesla gets free batteries from customers and then fix them and resell them for $14,000? Then get another free, one and do it all over again

@Chris2jz 9 месяцев назад

Yup

@robm6962 Год назад

I think the sweet spot for charging is 90 percent everyone says 80 but when I bought my 23 model y long range it was draining the battery fast after I started charging at 90 percent it fixed all the problems and the car responds 100 percent better

@scorchedearth1451 6 месяцев назад

So 90% is the new 100%.I have this on my phone. You can set it to charge up to 80%, but it displays 100%. I guess EV's are not that smart yet.

@xtrey19x 2 месяца назад

@@scorchedearth1451 ⁠You need your phone to lie to you about it’s actually battery capacity? You can set your Tesla to charge at whatever % you want, but it won’t lie to you & tell you a 80% charged battery is 100% charged. A car lying to you about it’s fuel percentage puts you at risk of being stranded.

@RobertMarshall-d2n 4 месяца назад

batteries produce constant power right up to the fail point where they basically die. I would like to hear Tesla's explanation of what that health level tells you.

@garydzidowski1134 Год назад

As stated below, your 7% doesn't sound bad at all. My 2018 Model 3 RWD LR is about at the same state. Also bear in mind that based on my Michigan experience battery SOC is extremally temperature dependent. I drive a 100 mile route almost weekly in temperature ranges from -7 to 100 F at a nearly constant speed of 60 MPH. At 75F the range estimate is nearly perfect, at times during a morning drive gong from a crisp to warm morning, I have even experienced range increase! As you state, it is mostly about battery chemistry. and most 3s and Ys have the 21700 battery. That being said, your original 310 miles of range is the benchmark of a brand new battery pack and you can expect a 3-4% drop as the battery "settles in" over the first year or two. Then expect a 1-2% drop over the next several years. Depending on your charging habits, that drop off should somewhat flatten if you only use supercharging sparingly and generally keep your charging cycle to 20 to 80% (roughly 60 to 250 miles range) at level 2 charging. Then I would expect the battery to be serviceable for another 10 to 20 years. Some "tricks" to long battery life; charge as soon as you can if below 40% and try not to leave the car sitting with a low battery, that is the worst. Only charge to 100% occasionally when you know you will want the the extra miles right away. Long term sitting (I define as over 2 weeks), best if you can leave it plugged in at level 1 or 2 and set the charge to 50 to 60% If you need to let it sit without being plugged in long term, I would try to leave it around 70% and leave things like security monitoring off and resist the temptation to keep checking the phone app. This allows it to go into "deep sleep" and will minimize "phantom drain". Anyone with and comments, suggestions or experience please do so.

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

What you said is most impressive, but its also total speculation. Objectively, we don't know how much and to what level to charge to as Tesla has often changed their guidance over the years (just ask Like Tesla Kim). Even Toyota can not agree on that level to charge their Prime vehicles, but they do know what they charge their hybrids to and its typically between 20-80%. Given that, we're speculating that 20-80 is the perfect range for a Tesla battery buy no one knows ( since at least 2018 models) how long a Model 3 or Y battery (2020) will go before needing replacement. In fact, we're just getting the Model S and X indicators now and the S clearly shows that after a few years (define a few) that the S battery from the S 75 or the S60 now need replacement, so they are essentially paperweights at this point since replacement exceeds fair market value of vehicle. Basically, its all anecdotal and supposition at this point. Tesla insists that supercharging is not bad for a battery, but many claim or believe otherwise. So, we don't know what we don't know.

@gust9464 Год назад

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The only thing I do (bc of commute daily) is charge to 90%. Off days, 20% to 70% or 80%. 2170 cells are like magic rocks. The chemistry with these batteries are awesome. Let’s hope the 4680’s do well in project highland. 🤷🏽

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

@@gust9464 we don’t know if Project Highland is getting 4680s. 2170s seem to be just as good.

@lawrencecoleman6998 Год назад

@@alexnutcasio936 depends so much on the type of battery. Our ModY uses LFP (HV)and Li-ion for the low voltage. So charging regularly to 100% is the preferred method. Since the individual battery’s voltage range is much narrower than Li-ion so less mechanical and chemical change/wear. LFP batteries should hold their SOH and range much longer than Li-ion.

@davidbeppler3032 Год назад

@@alexnutcasio936 How can you compare the batteries from Model S from 2014 laptops to the EV batteries in 2020 Model 3/Y? They are different chemistry, form factor, quality control, battery management, cooling, and charging. I expect my TM3LR to last more than 20 years and a million miles. Just based on battery degradation statistics. We have the math.

@zemen46 4 месяца назад

Assume $ 3 /gal x 5609 gal = $16,827 saving. Cost of replacing battery $16,580 + about $10,000 for charging (assuming half at home and half supercharging) = $26,580 your cost. Conclusion,You are not saving money on gas

@philipbrown9006 4 месяца назад

You could save money on gas if you only charged at home. But for how long? If EVs become mainstream the government will increase taxes on driving EVs to make up for what they lose on fuel duty so you will be no better off.

@zemen46 4 месяца назад

Charging at home would cost you an average of between $4,000 to $5,000 .. when you add $16,580 for replacing battery, you would still end up paying over $20,000. Even if you strictly charge at home, I don't believe you would save money

@awarism7020 3 месяца назад

@@zemen46 you can't count. It cost $7-10 to charge at home 🤦🏾‍♂️ You're trying too hard. Just be honest with yourself 😒

@zemen46 3 месяца назад

@@awarism7020I don't know why it touched your nerve? It's simple you can do the calculation yourself

@zemen46 3 месяца назад

@@awarism7020I was curious and saw some of the video you posted. You are a perfect customer for Elon, a simple man

@donaldsmith8864 8 месяцев назад

you said how much you saved by not buying gas and oil etc. You never mentioned how much it costs to keep that vehicle charged for that period. electricity is not free.....just like lunch.

@zemen46 4 месяца назад

Assuming charging half at home and half supercharging about $10,000 average.

@GeoHvl Год назад

I had a 3 and when the battery starts to fail it's a nightmare. Low voltage issues, not fully charging, very expensive to fix. I had 9 cells that needed replacing, only getting to 83%. When they removed the battery it was 23 cells and $2300.00. I have a Ford F250 that needed a battery also $269.00. The Tesla is just a memory now. Then there's the argument I'm saving the planet. Each EV battery uses 6500 barrels of oil to produce.

@edobeirne Год назад

It could be 7% loss, and I hope it is. But could also be increased internal resistance, which doesn’t directly affect capacity though they happen simultaneously. Internal resistance affects amps hence watts. Is acceleration reduced?

@blake343 9 месяцев назад

I dunno, If a company could put a 93% on there instead of 7% they would have

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

I've already lost almost 20% on a 2020 DMP. Now full charge went from 315 down to 259 as max charge. (this is after several BMS recalibrations) A net loss of 18% over three (3) years. NOT good. Battery life of a Tesla battery is still the great unknown. Andy shows a vehicle no longer being produced by GM, so thats a bad example. 06:35

@alektraeljenkins6933 6 месяцев назад

I'm pretty sure that 5,600$ saved is a lie 1. I drive a tesla and I can tell you the fuel effiency of it is absolute trash in comparison to a gas car. I have to charge every single time I drive 50 miles round trip because the 100 mile trip is actually closer to 200 electric miles via highway. 2. Your battery is always draining. Regardless of you using it or not it's always draining. Unlike gas car you cannot leave your car for over a week without charging. Which makes traveling extremely difficult I can't just park my car at an airport or a friends place. I've left it at 100% and it did not last a week. 3. Whatever you save from gas you spend on tires. The tesla is extremely heavy. So heavy it wears out tires extremely fast. So much faster than a traditional car. Because of this you'll have to replace your tires very often and consistently. So you lose money honestly in the end.

@stephencrowther524 11 дней назад

Either there is something seriously wrong with your car,or you are being “economical with the truth” or you’re a troll.

@allieflounder5764 Год назад

Andy my Audi a 4a engine blew at 130k. Complete total

@cbuchner1 Год назад

ICE engine and tranny replacements are also quite expensive and may sometimes effectively exceed the residual value of the car. So there’s that…

@daviddennis5789 Год назад

True, and a difference is the number of systems that can go wrong with an old ICE vehicle. Even with a engine and/or a tranny replacement, there's still the exhaust system and the cooling system (replace radiator), belts and hoses. With an EV there's just the battery and the motor; and supposedly the motors are million mile motors. Tires and steering is common to both ICE and EV. So with an EV, for approx 15k battery replacement you can get pretty much a new car. (corrosion is probably the biggest limiting factor).

@realnapster1522 2 месяца назад

If you buy a reliable brand, ICE cars can last up to 500K miles with proper care. No EV can match that.

@ianmacdonald1280 Год назад

Best view is its either a glitch or needing some other way to interpret result. Very reassuring video either way Andy for so many concerned about the battery life.

@ezpoppy55 Год назад

I own a 2021 Model 3 SR+, with 31,000 miles on it thus far. Here’s my take on this non-issue: IF my car needs a new battery pack (and that’s a gigantic IF) and it’s out of warranty, I’ll get a new pack. Far cheaper than getting a new car (average new car price is $45,000 now). The Tesla is reliable, and it gets OTA updates which keeps it current and fresh. A new battery pack would let me keep driving my fun, cheap, and easy to live with Tesla? That’s an easy choice for me!

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

So, if I am reading you correctly, you're willing to spend (lets say $14,000) for a new SR battery in 6 years when your car has a value of $15,000? Sure , makes sense to me , LOL.

@gbw28 Год назад

@@alexnutcasio936 Battery costs keep falling and technology keeps improving, In 6 years time they probably won’t cost 14K,and there will likely be even more service shops out there who will fix rather than replace the battery. 6 years is a long time so highly doubtful things will be the same/cost the same as today. That’s the metric I’ve used when ordering our Model 3. 8 year 192000 km warranty, we drive 15000 km per year so I’m happy with that. We plan on keeping ours for 10 years.

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

@@gbw28 "We plan on keeping ours for 10 years. " Good luck with that. Ask any old Model S owner about their OLD battery and your mind will change.

@gbw28 Год назад

@@alexnutcasio936 like I said, batteries will be alot cheaper by then so who cares? 10 years is a very long way away. Plenty of ICE cars needing expensive engine and or transmission repairs at that age and even younger. How many of them have 8 year 192000 km warranties? The stories of ICE car owners having very expensive repair bills just out of warranty are plentiful. There are model 3 owners whose vehicles have done 100k miles and even some 200k miles, no battery replacement necessary.

@alexnutcasio936 Год назад

@@gbw28 haven’t seen a single Model 3 anywhere with 200k miles. It’s not unusual for a modern ICE engine to go 200k miles without any major issues and if it’s a diesel, 400-500k miles is not unheard of . P,Ys, a new JCE engine is more like $3-5$k, not $25k for a battery. The cost advantage is still with the ice long term.

@bapi507 Год назад

2018 Tesla Model 3 - Long Range - Single Motor - 5 years - 101,000 miles Have been charging for 5 years at the Super Chargers (Free). 2018 - 310 miles / 2023 - 295 miles - Still at 95%. Keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for the Video

@michaelfink64 Год назад

Hi Andy, maybe 7% health actually means 7% degradation? Weird way to describe it, but it more or less matches your range estimate.

@peterball7789 Год назад

Yes I was thinking exactly this!

@Janez-h1e 8 месяцев назад

Mine in S suddenly went to 11% @ 260.000mls. But it was not reality. It took $4000 to replace a few faulty cells and regenerate it. It is back to 96%, now @ 285.000mls. I think that the major problem is that a vast majority do not see outside of Tesla service network. There's a network of independent Tesla servicers now, and they know about them. There is a lot of inside knowledge, and a lot can be rebuilt, it's electronics.

@DracoGuitars Год назад

I have almost 90k miles on my 2020 MYLR, and the battery degradation is about 8%. I plan to keep it for as long as possible.

@bigballer3249 Год назад

That's bad

@DracoGuitars Год назад

@@bigballer3249 It's not bad at all. Typically Teslas lose about 10% of battery life over the first year then almost nothing more after that.

@climatenomad 6 месяцев назад

@@DracoGuitars nobody I know got as high as 10% loss in the first year. It's higher at first in general but nearly 10%

@xtrey19x 2 месяца назад

@@bigballer3249 a 4 year old car with 100k miles on it. Do you expect the car & it’s battery to last forever 😑

@anthonymyers4022 4 месяца назад

I have a 2013 Model S with 201,000 miles. Still have 87% battery capacity. I recommend keeping your Model 3.

@Steelologist 10 месяцев назад

For the record, Li-Ion battery chemistry is the same wherever that type of battery is used. So yes, Tesla batteries are exactly the same as the one used for a trolling motor, cell phone, laptop... The only difference is a cooling system which as you pointed out is better managed in cars than in cell phones :) Your battery health check results are therefore mostly accurate. Maybe not exact, but close enough for you to start worrying.

@ohger1 8 месяцев назад

Not true. While the basic chemistry is the same, there are a lot of variable in manufacturing the battery from purity of elements, assembly environment, percent (recipe) of elements and the small percent of other elements added to the particular battery.

@Steelologist 8 месяцев назад

@@ohger1 All Li-Ion batteries are identical in the way they operate because they share the same internals. Purity of materials may make a slight difference in longevity but not a huge one. Most batteries are made by only a handful of manufacturers so variances are small. I'm talking about known brands like Samsung, LG, Panasonic and similar, not something obscure.

@ohger1 8 месяцев назад

@@Steelologist The only thing identical about all lithium ion batteries is the voltage per cell. No two battery companies use the exact same chemistry (we'll ignore the exact manufacturing process here), and indeed, various chemistry patents defend that argument. A company like Samsung (for instance) makes all kinds of cells, from garbage pouch batteries for phones or cylindrical cells for laptops that they design to last a handful of years to high quality cells with different chemistry and different production techniques. Even taking battery electrical and thermal management off the table, cells used in EVs are not analogous to phone and laptop cells.

@Steelologist 8 месяцев назад

@@ohger1 LOL, you obviously know nothing about this subject, but feel free to keep embarrassing yourself.

@guypatterson7334 8 месяцев назад

@@ohger1 Correct. Lithium ion cells are often dramatically different between manufacturers and even a manufacturer's own product lines. Just recently we've run across counterfeit lithium ion batteries that one of our buyers acquired on sample. They don't deliver rated AH and they don't last anywhere near as many cycles as quality producers - but they're still lithium ion.

@TeddyOhana 11 месяцев назад

FYI to all - Had a 2019 Model 3 with 106,000 miles and was told by Tesla the battery was no longer able to work. Cost $13k for a refurbished with 4 years 50k warranty. Sold it and not sure if I would do it again. Perhaps mine was a rare case. The warranty on this one was 8 years and 100k miles. Not pleased, but it is what happened to me.

@350zLeMans Год назад

Great info, early cars like my Nissan leaf 2012 had no thermal management aka cooling so they degraded a lot quicker only have 30mi range on my leaf it's over 10 years old I'm considering dismantling the pack identifying bad modules and changing them out

@rogerpearson9081 4 месяца назад

Thats the problem with the Leaf. Much as I am not a Tesla fanboi, the battery management is very good when it comes to thermal management. As for rebuilding the battery pack, I would suggest it is a fraught exercise because you will be chasing your tail with other cells dying weeks or days after you rebuilt it. Not to mention the hazards of dealing with a high voltage battery pack and trying to match the new cells with old cells so they are compatible with the charging system. A good way to burn your car if the new cells don't like being charged as much or they keep the charging going longer on the old cells. A lot of DIY home battery and DIY scooter builds show a bad history.

@JimCourtney33 Год назад

I have a 2013 Tesla model 3 Performance with 115,000 miles on it. Range dropped from 310 miles when it was new to 275 miles now. I still love this car

@severnsea Год назад

"Battery replacement cost is probably the biggest fear of people who are hesitant to buy an electric vehicle." Exactly. It will never be a non-issue because batteries will continue to degrade over time. The point many EV advocates miss is that when that time comes you WILL need to replace them, and it WILL cost thousands of pounds (or dollars etc). That is not a concern you have with ICE cars because even if the engine does fail you can get a replacement relatively cheaply, and the cars also cost less to begin with, so it's less of a loss later on. The problem here is this is likely to be when they become more environmentally unfriendly, because it means more cars will be scrapped sooner than their equivalent ICE models, not necessarily because they are not fit for purpose but because people are not going to take the chance on buying an old car which has the potential of needing new batteries. Because those people are usually the ones that can least afford it. Even if the tech proves reliable, it's still going to be a gamble. On top of that, in Europe at least, the vast majority of new EVs are leased. Do you think those people who have them from new for three or four years are going to care about charging the battery correctly and not use it's full capacity because it may cause issues later on? No chance.

@ElMistroFeroz 7 месяцев назад

120,000 miles on a 40 mpg car is 3000 gallons, at say, $4/gallon that's $12,000 in savings. Plus not doing 40 oil changes (say $30 each) $1200. Let's say at least 2 brake changes (and no mechanic in the world just does brake changes, they always tell you you need a new rotor) add another $500. We're up to $13,700 towards a $20,000 battery if that ever fails.

@jpizel1070 4 месяца назад

True but most people don't put away the money they dave on these services for a possible battery replacement. I'm sure some do.

@charrin9086 Год назад

Awesome video to kick off Derby week- great job! the next gneration of lithium iron phosphate batteries will do even better than this. Imagine 2800 charge cycles at 250 miles per cycle = 700,000 miles?! With proper care and feeding, that means you only need to purchase 2 vehicles in your LIFETIME. In all honesty, EV are much cheaper for the full life cycle- the biggest enemy is winter road salt and corrosion. The battery is not the issue.

@jarno60061 Год назад

Who wants to only drive two vehicles in their lifetime? I want one every 4 or 5 years at most.

@andrewwardle-bu9yx Год назад

only same as driving a petrol car , after the warranty the engine might need replacing , that too will cost thousands , probably less chance of the batteries packing up compared to a combustion engine ...

@erikblankenbiller7786 Год назад

While I agree with most, it could be 7% battery degradation. I did notice your battery was at 18% when you started the test. If the test works off of watt hours discharged vs watts charged, you would have to start with a fully charged battery. Otherwise the computer thinks 18% was fully charged, giving you a battery at the end of it's life.

@pratikkarhade Год назад

Before starting the test , "battery should be below 50%" can be seen on screen

@em4703 11 месяцев назад

That's not how it works lol. The computer knows the battery isn't fully charged. You're talking out your azz.

@sailingonasummerbreeze7892 8 месяцев назад

If Tesla batteries are that good - they should warranty them out to 200K miles. They may lose a little on a few replacements, but they would completely dominate the EV space as it takes this concern off the table. Also - I know Tesla is all about structural battery packs, but I am not sure why they don't make them easier to replace.

@gippy101 Год назад

that warranty seems really good

@dandaigle4546 10 месяцев назад

keep driving and baby the car

@David.42 Год назад

A neighbour in my mother's complex has an out-of-warranty battery failure, with a quote from Tesla for Can$22,000 to get it back on the road. Common or not, all EV batteries will eventually fail. Hopefully one day it will be practical to locally repair and refurbish the battery packs to bring these costs down.

@denissmith2974 Год назад

how many miles were on the car/battery at the time? Did the battery crap out all at once, or slow degrade to a point just below 80% capacity?

@David.42 9 месяцев назад

All at once.

@realnapster1522 2 месяца назад

Batteries are made from poisonous materials and bad for environment.

@joepowell7025 8 месяцев назад

You can keep it !!

@brianmills4891 Год назад

At work we just put a $6,000 transmission in a 2022 f150 with 7,500 miles on it because Ford would not repair it under warranty. I’ll take my chances with my 2019 model 3 currently at 86,000 miles.

@realnapster1522 2 месяца назад

First mistake was buying a Ford.

@douglasdangelo6755 10 месяцев назад

The battery lasts until it doesn't. It isn't a linear degradation that eventually approaches zero. Most battery faults involve the failure of modules which result in a shut down.

@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190 Год назад

It would interesting to access each battery cell voltage. May be you need to do a full charge-discharge to have the BMS balancing the battery. You should try an OBd2 scan tool such as Scan My Tesla. It provides Battery degradation information and Cells voltage.

@piotrsztutas9171 Год назад

Electricity comes from oil n coil 😂❤

@LordLoMR2 Год назад

I only have 78k miles on mine and I’m just amazed at the quality of the drivetrain. My previous Subaru forester XT at 50k miles, the engine was already making ticking noises so I made the decision to trade it in while it was still worth something. 😂

@dillonh321 Год назад

Subarus make ticking noises when new because of direct injection system. It’s normal and not a sign of an issue. Not saying Subarus are the best cars out there. Just letting you know that it was fine.

@LordLoMR2 10 месяцев назад

@@dillonh321 mine did not make a ticking noise until 45k. It got louder and louder - hence traded it in while it was still running. 😂

@climatenomad 6 месяцев назад

@@LordLoMR2sounds like a lifter/valve adjustment issue. Probably wouldn't have cost much to fix but congrats on the superior Tesla

@tiloalo 10 месяцев назад

The problem is not degradation, the issue is that a lot of batteries fail entirely! Just check used tesla model S, they came with 8 years of warranty without miles limit. Lots of them have had their battery replaced. Lots of them between 100k and 200k miles. I understand why tesla only publishes range degradation and not battery failure / replacement, but it's clearly not representing reality.