Over 1 Hour of Vanilla Being The Most UNIQUE MMORPG | Classic WoW 

Hard to believe WoW was only 6 years old when Cataclysm released.

Classic 2019 fresh was amazing. Best experience ive had. P1 SoD gets second place

I'm 37 years old and when wow was released in 2004 I couldn't play (*). I always dreamed of what it would be like to have played Wow vanilla at launch. Last year I made some of that dream come true by playing wow classic hardcore! What a fantastic game, even after 20 years, I don't know a better or more complete game than wow! (*) Here in Brazil it was impossible to ask your parents for a credit card. I tried to create a bank account for myself, but the bureaucracy wouldn't let me

"We want honor not PvP" That pretty much sums up the mentality in WoW Classic. Min-max, efficiency, play like a robot.

I miss the server communities in vanilla classic. On Zandalar Tribe we had the Peacebloom War (AQ opening), which made friends and guild mates enemies, trolls and griefers became freedom fighters and some of the HC guilds on alliance showed their true colours as tyrants. And i loved the exiliration of wondering wether getting the ZG buff would kill you or not. What a time to be alive!

Here is one of many things you will never see in classic, in vanilla in PVP you could SOLO the BG, you did not have to join the group, if you were good enough you would get far more honour per kill and if you left the group you did not get kicked from the BG.

Vanilla went about as far as it could before needing redesigning. Without raising the level cap and forcing a 'reset' on power levels the game would have rapidly become incredibly hard to balance. Warriors were already scaling out of control in Naxx - imagine the gap in power if tier 5 was at level 60. Which is a solvable issue of course - just complicated and bound to upset people (since Warriors would need to be nerfed or everyone else buffed, having a knock-on effect with lower gear levels). Not to mention the biggest problem - catching up becomes more and more difficult the more tiers there are in a level bracket and the playerbase gets more and more spread out. Now this wouldn't have been a problem if everyone shared one huge world together, but back in the day server populations were much lower. With the estimated 1% of players even getting into Naxx and the general server size being around 10-20k characters meant only a few hundred players per server - which is enough for two or three raid groups/guilds. Add another tier and that number will likely drop to a single raid group per server, poaching players non-stop from guilds progressed behind them. And if yet another tier comes we're left with that single raid group still with possibly no-one behind them anymore, slowly grinding to a halt as they inevitably lose players they can't replace and gear quickly enough to continue. Its why I feel like Vanilla as it was is perfect in its imperfection. Could a 'Vanilla Plus' game mode work today with bigger servers and a higher quality of player (not just skill, but internet connection and information available)? Possibly, yes. But back then I think it was at its logical limit and needed big change - hence The Burning Crusade expansion, which reset player power and balance and became a more accessible game to increase the pool of potential raiders. And so we got to the state of things now - expansion drops, very accessible, gets progressively harder until only a relative few can 'beat' it' and then another expansion to reset.

EQOA is most unique, so unique, you never knew a EverQuest game was on a console.

57:40 let’s not forget aged core leather gloves for rogues….which you never take off unless by some unfathomable miracle you get deaths sting out of AQ 40

Just give us fresh progression servers already. I'd happily play through vanilla again to get back into TBC.

You and Madseason should coordinate so you dont release almost identical videos again lol

Loved chipping away at this extra long video throughout the day

Remember selling flasks for +300 gold at the peak. Then the new patch with increased came and at first prices plummeted. So I bought alot of lotuses for so cheap. A week or two later, the prices went back up to 80-90% of the original price again. So I was set for the rest of classic haha

My guild were still using bag of marbles on Brutallus progression in Sunwell haha.

fantastic work, outstanding job sir..... 2019 Classic wow was the best time of my life, its been down hill ever since...

Awesome video, I can tell you put alot work into this. Thank you!

That was a dope video, you should do more of these grouping videos. Maybe like expansion by expansion 👀

Wonderful video, Really captures what made vanilla so magical

Really nice video!

Amazing work . Thanks for video

Blizzard changed the way Black Lotus spawned about halfway through classic. This change was to encourage more players herbing a lotus vs a bot. The original Black Lotus spawn was 1 hour. The updated lotus had a random spawn timer, ranging from 5 minutes, up to 60 minutes. This gave the average player a higher chance to find one. This was my favorite farm back then. I basically lived in Burning Steppes. 3 accounts, camping nodes, using eagle eye and track herbs on mini map. One eagle eye loop to each lotus area took 25 seconds. 10 minutes If you were a boomer, running loops on your mount.

fucking sucks that sod was such a cluster fuck in p3, there was so much promise in p1/2

This was insanely good content holy

Thank tou for the very nice video of the very best wow chapter...❤

Damn I hope they will do wow2 or something with that much content but all fresh

25:00 I was pretty happy when they "nerfed" the Zone and respawn times for BL in Classic. I was one of these BL farmers cause i worked extremly early so i was pretty much alone in the eastern plaquelands. Would say i picked 1-2 BL per workday and they would be priced at 200-250g after "nerf" when i remember correctly. Easily had 1-2k Raidkost per week which is insane when you think about that even an Epicmount in Vanilla was a struggle.

Wow nice video, so much effort on it

"They physically did not have time to get it all done." What a sentence.

I loved this video so much. Thank you for the amazing content

Love this kind of video

Freakin Blizzard. Their handling of Black Lotus back in the day encouraged bots and gold buying. Only 4 in any one zone? An hour CD? SMH

I think Blizz can manage keeping literally one or two servers per region of PROGRESSION Vanilla. And even TBC and Wrath.

Thanks for your work❤ omg how much I wish for a Classic+

Rogues could also pick pocket farm and farm the keys for the small vaults (forgot the names) in brd. Also, I had a rogue that I'd camp black lotus with. It wasn't that hard to get one and I was on one of the most populated servers on classic, whitemane.

That hunter inspired me to solo on hunters until this day. Also as for leveling through gathering I did that in cata classic lol. 2 characters going from 80-85. Obviously nothing impressive like 1-90 but it was actually chill and quick.

On Kel'thuzad there was an infamous night elf rogue (who happened to be a friend of mine) named Vidas. He had rank 14 which he always bragged about getting while using thrash blade, then eventually having thunderfury. While he was known in the pvp circles back then, he was most notably known for dying to a group of level 20's in ashenvale which was posted in a youtube video way back when. His infamy exploded from this for several reasons. I miss the good ol' days haha.

Another thing is holy might stone. It’s paladin sunken temple quest reward was patched out I think start of tbc and it’s butf is insane. I still have mine lol

Massive effort with this video - great work. Really good video. Thanks for doing this, love vanilla content!

47:05 as a priest who mindcontrolled people into blackrock lava every single day for months i am now very sad that i did not know of this. mindcontrol in classic to this day is my all time favorite spell in world of warcraft. such a simple tool to cause so much annoyance and i enjoyed every single second of it, even when people started to gank the living crap out of me.

i enjoyed very second of my Grand marshal and warlord grind

Back in vanilla it was guilds making alts and inviting people to raids, and then killing civillians to decrease your rank. And they would laugh at you after.

I was really annoyed they killed order halls. I hoped they would rework them to be expansion agnostic and start giving us more class content. SO MUCH opportunity was missed there.

Just what we needed :)

In my whole experience in classic wow, I could not find a single black lotus due to bot farmers and guild mafias camping the zones

I miss the times when you could put a clearly unfinished content in a game and to players it would be this big mystery. Azshara was my favorite Classic zone despite being mostly empty and I hate what they did with it in Cata.

tier 3 was tokens, wasnt it? ... nice video :)

It's insane how they thought of player housing in 2004 and still havent implemented it in retail, and no garrisons were not player housing.

42:38 hahahhahahahaha those degen memories. Good times.

That brought my down memory lane and game me PTSD

Wonder how they will tackle the lotus in SoD..

rent is due boys

I absolutely screwed some people over that I didn't like in my guild with dishonorable kills. A warr/priest that was an IRL couple had gotten me killed while leveling a few times and laughed about it on discord so after 60 I got in a group with them going to strat and I started killing NPC's. I got kicked from the guild but they were big mad 😂.

If devs just kept experimenting with Seasons to add bits and pieces of content to an everlasting Classic+ version game...

the story telling is so good

amazing video

Black lotus and world buffs are a perfect example of how the player base ruined a great game.

Spell batching existing was the only reason I could tolerate playing on NA as an EU player - my classic experience would've been terrible if I hadn't been able to play with the pserver communities

The one thing that will always bug me is the change in how the characters run. The retail version just looks weird to me.

wow classic content creators try not to make the same video 400 times challenge: impossible edition

2019 classic release was amazing!

The comments 5 mins after upload, the vid is over an hour😂😂😂

z0mg no way light of elune???? this changes everything!!! w0wzers!!!!

tfw you know the people shown at 36:55

You should explore osrs

This is why we need a fresh again

I'm like 10 of those 13,000 enhancer parses 😅

i would keep replaying and restarting original vanilla again and again because its the best experience ever. Even with all info now being available its still the most difficult and fun without the nerfs and lame freebi stuff. If they could have fixed the server issues itd been amazing without all the problems but unfortunately it got to crazy. Vanilla wow is the greatest game ever created with burning crusade close behind .

Never forget the USS Liberty

Fresh vanilla(1.12) Starfall 29 june(private)~5k+ online estimated

Every time I see or hear anything about classic WoW I always think of going back to play again, started in Vanilla during the AQ War Effort and played through Wrath. The main reason I don't play, aside from not having the time, is that the way the game is played now just doesn't seem fun anymore. I played Classic when it launched and the overwhelming "You have to play this way, spec that way, blah blah blah" just killed me. I enjoying min maxing to the extent that I want to, not what everyone else wants to force others into. It reminded me of when I use to play League... and that made me quit.

I personally think, after Cata Classic, they should scrap all the classic servers and just focus on Classic+ and Retail. The playerbase is incredibly split already, and if there's enough out crying, we can have certain servers for certain expansions. However, I think they should primarily focus on Classic+ and Retail. There's enough potential for Classic+ and Retail will always keep progressing to newer things. And they should do it how Jagex does with OSRS and use community polls on what they should add for Classic+. Take all their shortcomings, failures and successes with expansions and use that to make Classic+ the best mmo out there.

The flask change was bad imo, in wrath u barely feel the effect of a flask.

How have you AND Madseason not mentioned the rogue quest with tons of story and a reputation that just…. Ends…… for no reason.

They need to make an official classic wow server that is pvp and full loot, but not character deletion.

I wish they maintained being able to earn rank titles under the new system. It’s kinda flavorless to always see Private and Scout

I have played WoW.

I hit level 51 at the start of p2

If this makes top comment I'll get a tattoo

Is this not just a ripoff video of MadSeasonShow's "The unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW" that was released very recently?

BLACKFATHOM DEEPS not blackfathoms deep...

Vanilla WoW wasn't all that special in regards to these kinds of things. They were in every MMORPG back then. It's modern design sensibilities that's removed these kinds of "lose threads" and flavor in favor of a more streamlined and predictable experience.

SoD dead AF.

Madseasonshow

1:07:47 no it’s 1/3 bad.

Shoutout to WillE for not doing reaction vids. Legend.

Damn, after seeing this I'm out on any classic/sod stuff

Yes

Turtle WoW bb

Faxmonkey is the goat

Black Lotus… Bruh

I never understand the 'cut due to time constraints' reasoning? I mean, nothing was forcing them to release an expansion when they did...they could have iterated on the original world as much as they wanted through patches. The first expansion could have been released 5 years after vanilla and everything they had planned. Other than the quest for money, am i missing something?

Did you just copy and paste madseason? Lol

They could do WoD, except actually finish it, lol.

I love this

Never been this early

I Hope for fresh Server i Miss Classic

oh

Why does he keep saying pvp release was during lockdown? Honour system came out November 2019, Battlegrounds released December 2019. Lockdown started end March 2020.

where's this AV meta video?/

oh my mage killed many shitty hunters during my blotus laps :)