Overrated Characters Throughout Super Smash Bros. 

Part of the reason why people thought she was so good was because she could transform into Sheik. If you look at that whole tier list tho, there was plenty of "Overrated" characters lol

@@ZachHonest Crazy how excluding one move changes a character from top 6 to bottom 3

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Him and inkling definitely could get honorable mentions, especially how King K Rool was the "little mac" of his era.

@@ZachHonest I’d argue that K Rool however is a more annoying match up then Mac’s since, K Rool doesn’t have many flaws that makes him abysmal to play. Sure K Rool may be big and slow, but the fact that he’s a heavy and can take forever to die, his smash attacks are exceedingly powerful, and he has TWO Spike moves that can be lethal to edgeguard… he certainly is nowhere near as bad as Mac. If anything, K Rool chills in the D Ranks of Smash characters

K. Rool is still High Tier. You guys are just mean. Same goes for Dedede and Ganon in Mid Tier instead of Bottom Tier

do not worry,they never were performed online nor in tourneys. People were either too bad,or the connection was too god awful to even do a basic confirm. The combos in sm4sh were mostly impractical and unrealistic in a competitve enviroment anyway

Agreed lol. I went back to Smash 4 for this video after not playing it for a long time and I realized, "wow the top blastzone is crazy in the game". It's just sooooo low lmao

Great example with Villager wow that brought me back. I remember him being really common back in the day.

Villager and Ness also suffered from both characters eventually losing their best player (Ranai and FOW, respectively). At least in Ness' case, BestNess (Scend), Gackt, and Awestin would pick up the slack for him in the 2018 meta, but Villager without Ranai was largely an abandoned character. Similar thing with Pit/Dark Pit. Considered a top 15 character thanks to Earth, but with Earth's big drop in results and attendance in late 2017/2018 despite picking up Corrin, the character fell off hard perception-wise, a stigma that hasn't shaken up going into Smash Ultimate despite Pit getting buffed in that game.

pichu wasn’t that overrated, he got nerfed into the ground

The nerfs did hurt, but it was clear in retrospect that Pichu was never going to maintain top tier status, or perhaps even high tier status. Even before the nerfs, Pichu was already dropping off in results/representation, as players were not getting the same presence in high level events than during the first two months of the game's release. Outside of VoiD almost immediately dropping the character after the nerfs (who was already expressing distraught over how stressful Pichu was in high level play), the character's results didn't immediately trend off after the nerfs. It was a slow process to reach its current status. Even with buffs later on reverting some of its recoil move nerfs didn't really help Pichu at all. Pichu was overall a character who's meta was developed extremely quickly thanks to new-toy syndrome and its explosive combo potential. It's peak in results/representation was back when we still didn't have a great idea on who is good or weak in the meta, or how the overall meta is going to be like. The truth of the matter is that Pichu was afflicted with two things worse than its nerfs: 1) Players got better in working around its tools, such as f-tilt spam at the ledge (remember that only the move's knockback got nerfed). 2) The punish game of other characters got better optimized or directly buffed in game updates, making what Pichu brings to the table less impressive in comparison while making its already poor longevity worse.

@@the_bookworm8281 yeah in general i agree he would’ve naturally fell off with time, and i feel the same way about the unnecessary ZSS nerfs

The differents is Faust is good and dan was kinda ok, well at least in SFV.

@@gridenboat Faust is bottom 3 worst in strive,and dan is bottom 15 in a 40+ character roster lmao

​@@21Handguns Ok but there are more GG games than Strive though lol he's a top 8 character in Ac+R and a top 4 character in Xrd, he just really fucking sucks in strive his game plan does not really work in that game lol. About Dan I really didn't know he was that bad lol.

@@gridenboat If you can read,I said "strive" specifically,not the older titles. And yes Dan is garbage,he is bad in every game he is in because that is his point,he is supposed to be making fun of SNK

​@@21Handguns Ah I see my bad I thought you were talking about the whole of GG.

yea, of course. Glad to see DK coming up. I find it funny because a buffed version of the character in PM, became one of the most iconic characters in that meta.

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Chromicide is still there in its entirety, the only difference pre and post patch is chrom falls faster during upb, meaning he dies first Basically means it just stops being viable in a last stock situation What actually happened to chrom was people were generally right in how ridiculously oppressive he was (and still is) onstage, but he dies offstage for literal free, and one minor fuckup can get him offstage (see mr R versus skyjay)

My b, it comes out on Frame 2, you right. It still really fast tho 😆 🤣

So, you're saying that Mario is boring in Smash just because that he doesn't excel in any particular stat just like how other characters do? Mario is not supposed to excel in any stat since he was simply meant to be a jack-of-all-trades/master of none, or as an all-around/balanced character. I honestly think that real Nintendo fans would actually like/support both Luigi AND Mario, NOT just only Luigi. Sure, Mario still has his very own set of strengths (speed, combos) and weaknesses (KO power, recovery) just like how any character does. However, the key difference is that he's certainly not the best or worst any ANYTHING at the same exact time.

I was just wondering why Ganondorf is in the very middle of the tiers. Before I get into what I mean, allow me to first put out there that I have been playing for years, and I have watched MANY videos of the tournament masters. My brother and I found out, through years of play, literally EVERY advanced technique in the game, except the wavedash, which we stumbled upon, but wrote off as simply hilarious. I was surprised to find that all the wacky observations we have encountered and adapted are actually defined in the glossary in the sticky topic above! Three of the particularly surprising terms that I could not believe had been widely known and utilized were the Phantom Hit (I just thought I had a glitchy game) and that effect where recovering at the right time from attacks that sent you flying results in an upward boost if you jump out/air dodge/whatever early enough (I cannot remember what it was called in the sticky), and the waveland. Now, I have been using Ganondorf against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts Ganon at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. Ganondorf has his air forward. We call it 'The Punch.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages. If he misses, he can just do his A punch if the opponent tries to retaliate, or shield/roll. I am telling you, Ganondorf is a crazy meat mountain who crushes bones with many attacks doing 15+%, survives to insane damages thanks to his weight, and has ridiculous horizontal recovery (Double Jump, Ganondorf Kick Down B, ANOTHER Double Jump, ARE YOU SERIOUS, Up B). Next, check his roll. It goes like half screen. It makes him rather fast, nearly eliminating his speed problem on the ground, and a great character when it comes to the defensive game. It pretty much eliminates the need for his wavedash, which, with Ganondorf, who needs to do most of his attacking from hops, is pretty much useless already unless you are looking to smash attack. Wavesmashing, however, in my opinion, is also a bad idea, because, in the time and damage it takes you to actually land a smash, you could have just used The Punch and killed you opponent by then. Even though he has to fight mostly in the air, 3 of his 4 air attacks are pretty fast, and are quite massive. A major advantage he has is that nearly all his attacks move the opponent considerably, and can topple him from 0%, so his opponent gets little to no counterattack opportunity. The only explanation I can find for why he is low on the tiers is that no one has used him seriously. I think he really keeps up, if not tops, the top tier characters. I really do not like to simply shoot my mouth, and I am not one who thinks it right to shower a character in encomium, and never actually prove anything. Is there online for this somewhere, or is that simply wishful thinking? If not, please do not yell at me and stuff until you at least check out The Punch. Goes right through projectiles, goes right through attacks, goes right through faces. Please just give Ganondorf another shot and tell me what you thnk. Final Comment: People have a tendency to think that posts from newcomers to a board but veterans of its respective game are saying they are better than everyone else, regardles of what the post actually says. Please note that I did not say 'I am better than you' or 'Ganon is better than Fox.' I said, essentially: 'Ganon seems to be great. These are his strengths. He may top Fox. Check him out and see if you agree.' I will say, however, that I am a full master of Ganondorf. Please give Ganondorf a second look before responding so you know where I am coming from!

@@McDunzoganon has a bad recovery is extremely slow and struggles to projectiles

@@hypedup8081 have you considered THE PUNCH tho