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The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has chosen not to intervene in ongoing mail-in ballot controversies
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@brettany_renee_blatchley
@brettany_renee_blatchley 23 часа назад
We voted early today, walking our absentee ballots into the county elections office (we do not trust DeJoy's USPS). 💙💙💙
@dofphish
@dofphish 23 часа назад
About to do the same but I'm waiting until it is a bit closer.
@235buz
@235buz 23 часа назад
I just walked my ballot into the townsip clerks office. I worked for the Postal Service for 40 years, so I know not to trust DeJoy. Too bad Joe can't fire him.💙
@daynajones8180
@daynajones8180 23 часа назад
@brettany_renee_blatchley I do the same. Our City Hall is across the street from our post office. I drop it off in the drop box at City Hall.
@AthenaNike71
@AthenaNike71 22 часа назад
@@dofphishlisten to Kamala Harris: she said not to wait, you never know what might happen. If you can do it now, do it now.
@dizzolve
@dizzolve 22 часа назад
sad Trump's got everyone distrusting all things US ......be it with good reason or not
@corujariousa
@corujariousa 23 часа назад
Let's remember DeJoy is still in charge of the USPS as well...
@kricketlangendoerfer8387
@kricketlangendoerfer8387 22 часа назад
Well, if mailboxes start disappearing, we'll know it's NOT President Biden ordering them be removed! I mailed my vote in today! Now, in a few days I'll verify it's been received! What a weight off! If most do their voting early there'll be no problems at the ballot boxes! Many of you have seen this b4, but I'm gonna keep saying it to catch the few who haven't! Wouldn't it be nice if this year all states were 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙? We'd show the world how we are the UNITED States of America! 💙💙😺😺💙💙 🗳️💙💙 Harris/Walz 2024!💙💙🗳️
@freespeechfordemocracy2152
@freespeechfordemocracy2152 20 часов назад
Biden should have replaced him long ago
@BrandonSorenson-fb3gg
@BrandonSorenson-fb3gg 18 часов назад
I dont know why biden left him in charge. This guy is a fucking joke and nobody did anything about him
@chrisqueen3118
@chrisqueen3118 23 часа назад
Well, they're OBVIOUSLY NOT LATE‼️‼️‼️😡 This is BS of the stinkiest kind💩💩🤥🤥😡😡
@deborahharrison8407
@deborahharrison8407 23 часа назад
They are dated at the post office too. Total bs
@amyw6922
@amyw6922 22 часа назад
Where are the POST MARKS?? Fire DeJoy
@maryantonacci7622
@maryantonacci7622 23 часа назад
Thank you, Harry!
@ChopBassMan
@ChopBassMan 22 часа назад
If they are mailed in, the envelope would have a Post Office date stamp on it, so not counting it because someone forgot to put the date on the actual ballot is pretty ridiculous.
@TM-it8hg
@TM-it8hg 19 часов назад
I know right make it make sense but we know why these people are whining
@ChopBassMan
@ChopBassMan 19 часов назад
@@TM-it8hg yes, unfortunately...
@newoldvideos989
@newoldvideos989 22 часа назад
I live in PA, I got my ballot and already returned it and it was accepted and I got the notification..
@dassochaing2384
@dassochaing2384 22 часа назад
But republicans are trying to say your vote should be counted. The Bigger question is who sent the ballot to the printer without the date line. More republican shenanigans???
@workingfolk
@workingfolk 21 час назад
Same here. Screw you, Republicans.
@TRUMPWINS-m7r
@TRUMPWINS-m7r 19 часов назад
Pennsylvania is MAGA TRUMP country. VOTE RED ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@aprilmoore5604
@aprilmoore5604 18 часов назад
Me two.,. I live in Allegheny County and the elections department open until 8 pm and even on weekends the last two weekends in October.... And various drop box locations in poor communities!!!!
@timgeist1574
@timgeist1574 18 часов назад
Did your ballot have a line for the date?
@daynajones8180
@daynajones8180 23 часа назад
It seems they should just contact these people now. California does this!
@arjaygee
@arjaygee 23 часа назад
That date doesn't guarantee anything. The date you sealed your ballot in the envelope is irrelevant.
@t.n.-js6ei
@t.n.-js6ei 23 часа назад
It's not the date that is important, its that knowing you are intelligent enough to read and understand the instructions.
@TM-it8hg
@TM-it8hg 19 часов назад
Thank you, with all the Shenanigans going on in PA please keep reminding everyone about the date and to return your ballot as soon as possible to make sure you’ll be able to to cast a provisional vote if necessary.
@MyHaumea
@MyHaumea 19 часов назад
Thank you 😊
@irisheyes7311
@irisheyes7311 23 часа назад
I live in PA and in Philly...if they recieve a mail in without dates..they contact the person and give them a chance to come date the mail in. Otherwise they can vote provisionally.
@concernedrabbit9075
@concernedrabbit9075 22 часа назад
I wondered about that. Good to know there is a way to fix it.
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
That depends on your county. Washington County at least is trying to say that they are not required to inform voters. (Republicans are in control of county government.)
@TRUMPWINS-m7r
@TRUMPWINS-m7r 19 часов назад
Pennsylvania is TRUMP country MAGA. VOTE RED ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 19 часов назад
@@TRUMPWINS-m7r In your dreams, dude! 🙃
@r.h.lincoln9889
@r.h.lincoln9889 6 часов назад
​@@smlorrin are people getting out the word? We have to inform people to demand to know if their ballot is being counted
@MaryValiulis-f1i
@MaryValiulis-f1i 23 часа назад
Don't Forget PROJECT 2025. PROJECT 2025 has TRUMP'S NAME ON IT 312 TIMES.
@kricketlangendoerfer8387
@kricketlangendoerfer8387 22 часа назад
Every time I comment about THAT it's BLOCKED! I'm glad they haven't blocked all of us yet! I mailed my vote in today! Now, in a few days I'll verify it's been received! What a weight off! If most do their voting early there'll be no problems at the ballot boxes! Many of you have seen this b4, but I'm gonna keep saying it to catch the few who haven't! Wouldn't it be nice if this year all states were 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙? We'd show the world how we are the UNITED States of America! 💙💙😺😺💙💙 🗳️💙💙 Harris/Walz 2024!💙💙🗳️
@kricketlangendoerfer8387
@kricketlangendoerfer8387 22 часа назад
Every time I Reply about THAT I'm BLOCKED! I'm glad they haven't blocked all of us yet! I mailed my vote in today! Now, in a few days I'll verify it's been received! What a weight off! If most do their voting early there'll be no problems at the ballot boxes! Many of you have seen this b4, but I'm gonna keep saying it to catch the few who haven't! Wouldn't it be nice if this year all states were 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙? We'd show the world how we are the UNITED States of America! 💙💙😺😺💙💙 🗳️💙💙 Harris/Walz 2024!💙💙🗳️
@kricketlangendoerfer8387
@kricketlangendoerfer8387 22 часа назад
Every time I Reply about THAT I'm BLOCKED! I'm glad they haven't blocked us all yet. Many of you have seen this b4, but I'm gonna keep saying it to catch the few who haven't! Wouldn't it be nice if this year all states were 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙? We'd show the world how we are the UNITED States of America! 💙💙😺😺💙💙 🗳️💙💙 Harris/Walz 2024!💙💙🗳️
@kricketlangendoerfer8387
@kricketlangendoerfer8387 22 часа назад
Many of you have seen this b4, but I'm gonna keep saying it to catch the few who haven't! Wouldn't it be nice if this year all states were 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙? We'd show the world how we are the UNITED States of America! 💙💙😺😺💙💙 🗳️💙💙 Harris/Walz 2024!💙💙🗳️
@kricketlangendoerfer8387
@kricketlangendoerfer8387 22 часа назад
No replies allowed under your post? 😾😾
@JoanneParry-w4p
@JoanneParry-w4p 21 час назад
Well that's good news Supreme Court is not interfering in this.
@andrewromero5008
@andrewromero5008 23 часа назад
In AZ, there is a state website you can log into to see if your mail in ballot was received.
@amythomspon956
@amythomspon956 22 часа назад
Seems fair that they will be contacted if their vote is not counted
@claudettetaylor132
@claudettetaylor132 20 часов назад
The post office stamps on all Mail showing date received should be good enough for all mail in ballot
@thomasjamison2050
@thomasjamison2050 23 часа назад
I lived in PA for decades. Primarily in the Philly suburbs. I learned very quickly that if wanted to secure my vote in the presidential elections, I had to register Republican so that if I ordered an out of state ballot I could be sure if wouldn't delivered until after the election.
@sksteigerwald3649
@sksteigerwald3649 22 часа назад
Thanks
@claudettetaylor132
@claudettetaylor132 20 часов назад
Then Republicans will argue that people are voting twice.
@djmjay2
@djmjay2 22 часа назад
They scan the barcode when received. So desperate that they have too cheat.
@lockwoodpeckinpaugh9252
@lockwoodpeckinpaugh9252 22 часа назад
Do they realize that this bs affects Republicans as well.
@AngelaShawWestoven
@AngelaShawWestoven 19 часов назад
Exactly but the GOP is too ignorant to get that.
@MaryValiulis-f1i
@MaryValiulis-f1i 23 часа назад
The postal service could be leaving the dates off on purpose. This could be a disaster.
@billplaney2585
@billplaney2585 23 часа назад
I’m not sure, but I think the dates that they are referring to would be written by the voter next to their signature on the form… I don’t think they’re talking about the postmark date.
@TimC887
@TimC887 23 часа назад
We must sign and date the back of return envelope. No signature or date. No vote.
@79EBHS
@79EBHS 22 часа назад
The only real conspiracy is the letter signed by 51 security officials about a certain laptop.
@Rook98766
@Rook98766 22 часа назад
I bet he hates democrats like me
@YvetteM-js9uj
@YvetteM-js9uj 22 часа назад
I put the date on mine so my vote will be counted
@wrstew1272
@wrstew1272 21 час назад
Did you understand that the date was a requirement, or were you just covering your vote? Was there a specific area marked for the date? Not enough information out yet, and you are a knowledgeable participant……
@YvetteM-js9uj
@YvetteM-js9uj 21 час назад
@@wrstew1272 no I signed my with the date and also I already got my email saying that my ballot is in
@susanbradleyskov9179
@susanbradleyskov9179 10 часов назад
I voted out-of-country absentee. I’ve minded not only my p’s and q’s, but the entire alphabet. I’m voting in Minnesota, but you never know. Damn it, I want people to be able to celebrate voting, not be recovering from a nervous breakdown before and after!!
@david-c7i7t
@david-c7i7t 10 часов назад
But did you put the date in the right place?
@YvetteM-js9uj
@YvetteM-js9uj 9 часов назад
@@susanbradleyskov9179 And in Pennsylvania, the mailing ballots don't get counted until the other ballots are in that placed on election day. So we still have to wait but I know I completed everything that I had to do.
@carolynfrancis-mclucas6185
@carolynfrancis-mclucas6185 23 часа назад
Hi Harry from Pa. I'm from Kittanning, where the Mothman Prophecies were filmed.😊
@lindaSmith6588
@lindaSmith6588 9 часов назад
PA ballots have been changed to make it more apparent where dates should be placed. I hope this decreases the errors!!!!
@WarOnMaga25
@WarOnMaga25 19 часов назад
Love ya Harry! Good to hear your voice of reason in a cesspool of right-wing propaganda! 💙
@idacoetzee
@idacoetzee 20 часов назад
What prevents county officials who are susceptible to deviousness to inform those who are of the party the official favors while not informing those who are of the opposition.
@MyHaumea
@MyHaumea 19 часов назад
We can help here in Virginia ~ it was a struggle but democracy finally won the day! Now we have to get better at sniffing out liars ~ like our soon to be replaced governor.
@b.c.5639
@b.c.5639 20 часов назад
Many elderly and the disabled, do not have a vehicle and or drive. They can’t just walk it in! Of course that’s the whole point.
@IndependentWood
@IndependentWood 23 часа назад
This feels bad.
@ccapp3389
@ccapp3389 18 часов назад
Come on people just read the instructions and follow them exactly. Don’t let yourself be the exception logic here. It’s too important.
@dlcs1406
@dlcs1406 17 часов назад
Thanks Harry. Had not heard this yet. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@timgeist1574
@timgeist1574 18 часов назад
Can PA voters be told to put the date next to their signature"???
@CherylCostanzo
@CherylCostanzo 17 часов назад
Good to know!
@lawrencecarr5032
@lawrencecarr5032 23 часа назад
It’s never safe while we have Putin and trump still breathing
@Rook98766
@Rook98766 22 часа назад
Dems r dumb asses
@BDot-dv7lq
@BDot-dv7lq 9 часов назад
🎯🎯🎯🎯
@TB-xi4mj
@TB-xi4mj 21 час назад
Harry Here!
@susanbradleyskov9179
@susanbradleyskov9179 10 часов назад
Thank you Mr. Litman. I need to know, especially about things that “normally go under the radar.” I think a great many of us do. ❤
20 часов назад
🔵🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@utedc503tube
@utedc503tube 23 часа назад
Hi, we mailed our ballot today and on the ballot itself there was NO placed stated to place a date on it, PO should be stamping the envelope we will be checking, we are in NJ
@Yvuyctxtxtx
@Yvuyctxtxtx 23 часа назад
This has nothing to do with the video or ballots in PA.
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
It's Pennsylvania that has this ridiculous rule. Mail-in voting became available in Pennsylvania in 2019. Unfortunately, Republicans insisted on a "non-severability" provision in the Pennsylvania mail-in voting law that says that the law becomes void when any of its requirements are struck down in court. The law has a requirement that mail-in ballots have a voter’s handwritten date on the outside envelope. This is what makes this date issue so complicated; removing that requirement could result in mail-in voting no longer being permitted in Pennsylvania. Democrats had to agree to these things to allow mail-in voting to be available to Pennsylvania voters. (Republicans controlled both the state House and Senate.)
@chuckhall5347
@chuckhall5347 17 часов назад
They do the same non-sense here in Ohio with the dates. We also have one ballot drop box per county for maximum inconvenience.
@guitarchannel5676
@guitarchannel5676 23 часа назад
How does someone know if their ballot was disqualified?
@tonydfixertonydfixer9113
@tonydfixertonydfixer9113 22 часа назад
The election board is supposed to notify you probably by mail.
@mountainmanpedro
@mountainmanpedro 9 часов назад
This is so depressing.
@talithamac
@talithamac 7 часов назад
If they are less likely to have had higher education, do you not think that it is more likely that MAGAdonians forgot to put the date on? Won't this work against them?
@pcalger1163
@pcalger1163 16 часов назад
So much for homebound voters
@Xanthe_Cat
@Xanthe_Cat 7 часов назад
Speaking from another jurisdiction: if a ballot arrives back for counting before polling day, the essential thing is the voter’s signature - not the date. This is a legal fishing expedition to find a reason to deny some voters the franchise because of immaterial nitpicking over whether they dated it correctly (doesn’t matter, it clearly had to be before polling day!).
@johnc3276
@johnc3276 20 часов назад
This is an important State Constitutional ruling that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has a duty to the people to decide. If you don't reconsider your decisions, remember that regret cannot be excised. It remains embedded in your psyche for all time. Reconsider.
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
Mail-in voting became available in Pennsylvania in 2019. Unfortunately, Republicans insisted on a "non-severability" provision in the Pennsylvania mail-in voting law that says that the law becomes void when any of its requirements are struck down in court. The law has a requirement that mail-in ballots have a voter’s handwritten date on the outside envelope. This is what makes this date issue so complicated; the courts removing that requirement could result in mail-in voting no longer being permitted in Pennsylvania. Democrats had to agree to these things to allow mail-in voting to be available to Pennsylvania voters. (Republicans controlled both the state House and Senate at the time.)
@roosts20412
@roosts20412 22 часа назад
Thanks for this important context.
@smithrockneil1
@smithrockneil1 20 часов назад
Unless my math is wrong, it's insane to me that 4% of the population gets to decide who rules over the other 96% thirteen million people in PA will determine what 337 million of us will have to live with. Dismantle the Electoral college!
@theresafox7690
@theresafox7690 19 часов назад
We got our ballot received confirmation in the mail Friday or Saturday. Philadelphia has an awesome GOTV ground game where they will contact you by email, cellphone, and send someone to your house to cure your ballot if the date or privacy envelope is missing.🥰
@TimC887
@TimC887 22 часа назад
In PA, you must sign and date the OUTSIDE RETURN ENVELOPE on the space provided on the back. Double and Triple check that you’ve signed and dated the return envelope. (Not the inside envelope that has your ballot in it).
@dlcs1406
@dlcs1406 17 часов назад
It gets stamped on arrival so what's the point!
@mzphillygurl
@mzphillygurl 23 часа назад
Postmark?
@Callimo
@Callimo 11 часов назад
All right, well, everyone, share this video with everyone you know. I guess y'all in Pennsylvania HAVE to date those mail ins. This is ridiculous, because like some of the comments under me, the post office should stamp a post date on these envelopes 🤔🤔🤔🙄 But, anyways, if you can, please use your local drop box (however local that is) if you can, and don't forget to date your mail in ballot. 👍
@wrstew1272
@wrstew1272 21 час назад
How on earth could ballots go out without a clearly defined spot for date if they require it?
@janicewolk6492
@janicewolk6492 19 часов назад
Who constructed this ballot? Of course the Republicans would cheat.
@cynthiarowley719
@cynthiarowley719 22 часа назад
Date mailed, date received should be used. Rejection is not the default setting. Have they opened the ballots already?
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
My understanding is that PA is not permitted to open them until election day.
@mattjewett4473
@mattjewett4473 22 часа назад
Nothing confusing. Signature and date REQUIRED.
@joycehurst7883
@joycehurst7883 18 часов назад
If I received one set of directions on how to cast my mail-in ballot, I’ve received twenty. If a person can’t follow those simple directions, then I wonder whether or not you should be voting.(not an elitist)
@lynnburlingham8160
@lynnburlingham8160 20 часов назад
This sucks!
@erlinggaratun6726
@erlinggaratun6726 21 час назад
Your system of endless arbitration is terrible. You just called it a requirement. So either remove the requirement, or require it. And who is so stupid they don't date an important document?
@lindacondray7918
@lindacondray7918 7 часов назад
FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS FULLY if you are doing Mail In Ballots. What is so hard about filling out the ballot correctly, including writing the date and signature on the envelope. FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS! You can also go online and check if your ballot cleared. If it hasn’t, make the effort to go to the clerk and correct the issue.
@jmflournoy386
@jmflournoy386 17 часов назад
Which counties are going to notify mis dated ballots or there is still time to just return them, or a postcard Democrats have been ignoring small red areas for years going to bite them in the ass contest everywhere, library board, city council, school boards EVERYWHERE
@AngelaShawWestoven
@AngelaShawWestoven 19 часов назад
Just mailed my ballot today and triple checked that the envelope was signed and dated. I'm just waiting for Republicans to demand that we start counting jellybeans again. Voted 🍃💙🍃
@RunOfTheHind
@RunOfTheHind 23 часа назад
The US needs a UN election monitoring mission, lol.
@dofphish
@dofphish 23 часа назад
NO. We will not yield our sovereignty to the UN. If you see a blue 'Peace Keeping' UN helmet in your land you have really done it incorrectly. They don't keep 'peace'. While I see the "lol", it's not even a joke. Holy bejebuz. (this is where I leave the comedy club before I am the one on RU-vid)
@FredEdeXIII
@FredEdeXIII 23 часа назад
Right!
@Lumi_Lumi13
@Lumi_Lumi13 22 часа назад
TRUTH
@ew4932
@ew4932 23 часа назад
As a Pennsylvanian voter, I have to request a absentee ballot ever February. You need an excuse and they want my medical info. I'm not about them disenfranchise me. I have a plan.
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
There may be a difference between an absentee ballot and a standard no-excuse-required mail-in ballot. I request a standard Pennsylvania mail-in ballot every year, and I don't have to justify in any way to get one. You may want to contact your election office to see why this is required for you. Were you doing this prior to 2019? (2019 is when the standard no-excuse-required mail-in ballot became available in Pennsylvania.) If so, I suspect that there are two difference kinds of mail-in ballots and you need to request that yours be changed.
@ew4932
@ew4932 21 час назад
@@smlorrin I voted in person back then. I first did voting by mail due to Covid. Then my lovely Rep. Mike Kelly had his texts revealed. I'm afraid that they will try to invalidate mail in ballots in PA. All of my county elections employees already know me. 🙂
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 21 час назад
@@ew4932 Sorry, I thought your issue was that you had to give your medical information, which isn't required for standard mail-in voting in PA.
@richardjphilpott
@richardjphilpott 21 час назад
Voting twice again ?
@workingfolk
@workingfolk 21 час назад
Nah, we'll leave that for you.
@UncleJunior52
@UncleJunior52 22 часа назад
Do you want non citizens to have the right to vote in local or federal elections?
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
What does this have to do with this video?
@UncleJunior52
@UncleJunior52 21 час назад
Yes or no ???
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 21 час назад
@@UncleJunior52 This is a non-sequitur, dear. Nice try in attempting to derail the conversation! 🤣
@nonyab3237
@nonyab3237 18 часов назад
That was a really convoluted and difficult to follow ramble. Clean it up with editing. Make it simple
@gigik6334
@gigik6334 22 часа назад
I live in Maine, there is no place for a date?
@smlorrin
@smlorrin 22 часа назад
This is only a PA requirement.
@ibrahiymmuhammad4773
@ibrahiymmuhammad4773 11 часов назад
Hahahaha
@TRUMPWINS-m7r
@TRUMPWINS-m7r 19 часов назад
Pennsylvania is MAGA TRUMP country. VOTE RED ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@stinkworx
@stinkworx 22 часа назад
Harry keeps saying PA is absolutely necessary but it's not. It's 19 electoral votes now. NC alone has 16. So does GA.
@kathymanthey2062
@kathymanthey2062 21 час назад
If you mailed in a ballot because you cannot show up to vote in person then you are out of luck.
@PAEverAfter
@PAEverAfter 19 часов назад
Spoken like a true anti-America MAGA supporter
@UncleJunior52
@UncleJunior52 22 часа назад
In Nj there’s no date location . I mailed mine at post office and made them time stamp it. Just in case : ❤Trump 2024❤
@scottwithe3946
@scottwithe3946 23 часа назад
Trump's guy run's the postal service....... coincidence?
@stinkworx
@stinkworx 22 часа назад
The idea Dems need to focus on rural PA to win just doesn't sound right at all to me as somebody who lives in PA. Sure, campaign everywhere, be seen. But to win Dems need to run up the vote totals in Pgh, Harrisburg and Phila and surrounding suburban areas like Delco and Chester Co.
@Michael-v2l
@Michael-v2l 17 часов назад
GO BLUE
@massivemindmeat
@massivemindmeat 5 часов назад
Sounds quite cut and dry, and completely unnecessary. A waste of more tax money by pubs to try to cheat some more.
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