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Shield Bash is Good in DeepDungeons

Ohhhh the Req upgrade also has range :O It's not always an issue, but sometimes it can be a bit annoying that you need to in melee range to get the req going. Nice QoL change \o/ 1:40

shield bash has niche uses like in some older fights and especially deep dungeons

imperator ( requiescat) being 25 y is the biggest change to pld this expansion. this finally lets you mess aroung with goring blade timers and melee towntime a bit more since you can now start confiteors from narnia

Regarding multiplicative damage reduction, for those who want the math behind it: Let's say you apply a 30% mitigation. That means all damage you receive is multiplied by 0.7 (you're receiving 70% of the total damage). Now, if you also apply a 20% mitigation, said damage is multiplied by 0.8 on top. With both mitigation together, damage is multiplied by 0.7 * 0.8 = 0.56 which means that damage is technically only reduced by 44% (instead of the whole 30% + 20%). The more mitigations you add, the more this multiplicative effect reduces the effectiveness of the added mitigations. Barriers, on the other hand, can perfectly stack with a damage reduction without losing any effectiveness because they're simply temporarily increasing your health pool.

Keep in mind, Pally just automatically has an extra mit that other tanks don't, in the chance to Block with the shield. You still have the Parry chance, but the Block can apply to magic attacks, and seems to roughly happen about 40% of the time. If you have a comparible shield in iLevel to what you're fighting, the reduction when it procs is typically 19%, so that equates to about an average 8% less damage then other tanks. I'm not saying it's an excuse for Hallowed Ground's rediculous cooldown... But it might paint a picture as to why they're thinking the way they are for Paladin.

Shield Bash being on the global cooldown is what hurts it the most. There's several ways to improve it, depending on who you ask, but making it an off global cooldown skill is the first thing they need to do.

They definitely got the best upgrade of the four tanks for their 120 second defensive CD especially for tankbusters.

An idea for cover is to make it a buff you apply to party member like Kardia except it grants the covered member the same block chance as the PLD while in 15yalms and you can active a separate dash skill to jump to your covered party member

Shield Bash definitely needs something but idk what. It's really good in Deep Dungeons, but since Endwalker WAR is basically immortal, I found myself picking WAR over PLD anyways :/

I think what they could do for the Invulns is to adjust the relative cooldowns between them. WAR is 4m, DRK is 5m, GNB is 6m, PLD is 7m. They all have a minute between them. I think if they changed is such that there's only 30s between tiers that Hallowed Ground would become generally as useful as Superbolide is for tanking situations while also generally buffing the rest such that WAR is still 4m, DRK is 4.5m, GUN is 5m, and PLD is 5.5m. If you want to translate to seconds, that's 240, 270, 300, and 330 respectively.

I feel like with Cover they got scared by how good it was in O12S and nerfed the fuck out of it. I think that if it's going to cost gauge they should at least add the Rampart back to it so it has a purpose. When it comes to Hallowed I honestly think the devs don't understand what makes an invuln good. Remember going into Shadowbringers when Yoshi P thought Hallowed was too strong and all the raiders were like "but Holmgang is a 3 minute cooldown, it's much stronger"? They think "full invincibility" is a lot better than it really is, but also they killed the one good thing about it because now most Damage Downs go through it so you can't even use it for greeding. Also, HALLOWED IS SO FUCKING SLOW, there is no reason that the probably worst invuln with the 7 fucking minute cooldown needs to take almost a full second to apply while Holmgang is instant. Probably unpopular opinion but personally I think that invulns distort tank mechanics in fights to the extent that Hallowed and Superbolide are the more balanced ones and they should add a minute to the cooldowns of Holmgang and Living Dead.

Maybe a way to balance HG while keeping it unique could be to implement a mechanic to reduce its cd. Say every time you use your gauge it shaves off a few seconds.

Make invuls 30s apart instead of a minute.

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Honestly, I just want Hallowed to not force me to have a super different mit plan with every tank combo comparitively all cuz my INV is a min longer. I want intervene to be 70 and not 74 as being the only tank at 70 and lower to never be able to gap close. Cover needs to be changed, shield bash isnt even on my bar.

Shield Bash has been wonderful in Frontlines and Crystaline Conflict for me. Very useful in racking up assists!

1:45 and I had to pause the video. Imperator also has a range of 25 yalms instead of 3 from Req. That's not a nothing change.

shield bash is a relic of 1.0 competely pointless since we got a ogcd stun they need to bin it off i think yer they just forgot about it and left it there

I disagree about Hallowed Ground. I think they could reduce it's cd by a minute and not change any of the other tank invulns. I get it doesn't have the trade off that the other 3 usually have but as you said the 0 damage means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

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The problem with utility abilities like shield bash and sleep isn't the abilities themselves. It's a problem with encounter design.

i use shield bash when healers are struggling in dungeons spamming it on a pack of mobs is free mit if the fight is dragging out, otherwise its good for stunning mobs with interuptable cds which albeit is very few. but still useful. i agree it needs some love

"They're not gonna rework it just to rework it again." AST players: We experience that every expansion.

Cover is good very situationally. But as someone who does party finder EXs and Savages, I can't even tell you how many times a raid wide or a mech would have wiped the run if I didn't cover a healer who then hit LB3, or if healers are down, then cover the rdm or smn. If you know what you're doing, then yeah, useless, but can be invaluable with idiot pugs. Would be great if it was better and usable outside those places, but even without I actually use it fairly often.

The Boring Blade change is the biggest one that makes me want to play PLD again. Currently it just feels to wrong and out of place.

Paladin is my main job, and I love it so much right now after the rework. So, I'm gonna have blast with it in Dawntrail.

So just a thought when talking about Tank Invulns. If PLD is too long of a cooldown, and Holmgang is seen as an amazing invuln partially because its cooldown is 4 minutes, what if just three of the invulns are changed? So instead of the cooldowns going 4, 5, 6, 7 minutes, what about 4, 4:40, 5:20, and 6 minutes, or something to that effect? It seems like there might not be a great way to balance this, but just to explain my thoughts, this gets PLD into that 6 min area that seems to be more acceptable by xeems standards, gets the other two a bit of a buff as well without homogenizing them, and allows holmgang to still shine as the best one for us WAR mains? I've only been playing and raiding for a few years so maybe there is way more nuance to this than I know.

Req upgrade has another thing and a thing I wanted with it, it has a little 25y range, that's huge

I still miss old pal rotation I know pal needed changes but man my muscle memory really fucks me sometimes

Make Cover like Closed Position. Use it once and forget it unless you want to switch. Change up the mitigation amount to compensate.

Paladin looks so much slower than the other tanks. I know it's not much slower, but the animations make it appear slower

The most recent situation I used shield bash for raiding was on Shiva's add phase (E8S)

I think Having Hallowed at 300 sec, Bolide and Living Dead at 270 sec and Holmgang 240 sec would be a good compromise. The healing kits are so strong now that living dead and Holmgangs not true invulns dont matter and Bolide is just a I shot msyelf for Hallowed.

Hollowed being on a longer cooldown wouldn't be an issue if they stopped making invulning twice before 7 minutes good. Yes, you can simply do taunt swaps or shared soaks and not use invulns, but the amount of tank fails you get in like P11S due to the other tank not taunting on the 2nd set of busters is REALLY HIGH considering you only have to swap there if there is a PLD.

The only time shield bash was useful was in Eden s8 shiva , where paladin can stun twice in a row . Thats it. Otherwise the whole job is perfect :)

Shield Bash can definetly be reworked, not exactly how i suggested to some. but still reworked. it should definetly not break any combos, and maybe make one GCD act like ogcd.

Just give PLD raise again show the healers how its done lol.

Cover should be a lower cooldown for sure and the 2 min cooldown make people forget the skill existed most of the time.

Shield bash is more for side content, like deep dungeons. Same for Clemency, very niche. Cover is just ass, regardless. Even with the Cover strat in 12s, im usually jus like bro I aint got anywhere else to use my defensives, stop it. And yeah 420 sec cd is jus too much for the invuln.

Dead ass surprised Shield Bash survived to see another xpac. Same with Cover, though I think they could either remove the gauge cost or lower the cd...or even better, leave both but give it the damage reduction it had in SB. Feels underwhelming for something with a 2 min cd and a gauge cost, even with it's niche use situations. Shame they didn't make some sort of flashy shield bash-esque animation as part of the new Atonement combo and put that button out to pasture. I haven't had it on my hotbars since EW launch because the job already has so many buttons.

Tank CDs in a nutshell Paladin gets TBN Warrior gets Holy Shelltron/Aurora Dark Knight gets Heart of Corundum Gunbreaker gets Thrill of Battle

I love hallowed ground, I use it every duty at some point, but that's the big issues, I can use it once. My thinking is maybe reduce the CD but have it channeled like passage of arms where you bask in a holy light where you aren't taking damage but aren't doing any, though they'd need to do something to maintain enmity, or just use it as a toss up. No damage taken, but also no damage dealt and risk losing enmity, so it could be a shorter CD, and could be cancelled if movement or attacking

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The only time I've ever used Cover was in 2-man unsynched Rathalos to eat fireballs for a DPS... every 2 minutes. Feels like the only reason it's even in the game is just because it's the Knight/Paladin signature ability in the old FFs. If they put some thought into it, they could make it something like Cecil's auto-Cover for low-HP allies. Make it a passive that you toggle on/off, and when it's active you eat the damage if a party member is going to take a killing blow. Something like that.

Cover is a niche/novelty ability, its just something else you can do. Gives jobs/classes some flavor without making them a must have in a party. I don't think every ability needs to be crammed into your rotation/plan. I mean, imagine you add some weird novelty skills on other tanks aswell: Warrior should be able to pickup another player and throw them to a safespot, that would be sick... you would barely use it, but damn I would love that.

Since they removed the block focus on paladin skills I think the idea of going Mitigation plus Barrier can be a real cool idea to set PLD apart

I like cover. It only would need some more distance. Its one of the skills, why Paladin is my favro Tank. Because its protect others (best use was it, by protecting a other player again the aoe attack in the fight with the 2 gods).

Was hoping to see something announced about invuln cds like : holmgang stays at 4min living dead lowered to 4m30 bolide lowered to 5min hallowed ground lowered to 5min30 Dumb cd reduction but still have a hierarchy between invulns (even if based on false casual assumption of "no damage taken=stronger")

The main problem with cover is that it uses my holy sheltron gauge and I might see a situation where cover is good and I'm on 40 gauge Also hallowed still not homogenised, the only thing 0 damage does is makes it comfy for healers in dungeons, but look at TOP, I learned that fight with a static on PLD, fuck PFing it though because no hold=death in that fight so rather than hold people would exclude PLD or let them die

Since buffed Holy Spirit’s potency is 450, and the two new atonement combo attacks are 460 and 480, does that mean it will be better to use atonement before fight or flight? Like an opener that goes 1, 2, 3, atonement, then fight or flight burst? That way, after the blades of valor combo, you can get in buffed Holy Spirit and the two new combo abilities?

Cover should have a shorter cooldown and not cost gauge then I would be happy with it, also what is this shield bash ability? I’ve never heard of it

While the new tank stuff is very good, it would've been nice if they'd went back and tweaked older parts of the jobs. Feels like every tank has something that could've been looked at.

6:28 Sheild bash is good for pulls with mobs that have interuptable casts going off at same time and u really dont trust the dps to do anything. Like the twinning, that big pull b4 second boss i believe. U can use interject plus bash for the first set of buffs. Amd if they get a second set casting you can low blow bash and cc them yourself. Honestly i think the real issue is the devs need to be brave and actually make dungeons need these buttons instead of just removing the buttons.

god i really hope tanks start taking tons of damage. i know we've said this for the last 2 expac when it seems like outgoing damage going up but these new 40% DRs are nuts if damage taken isnt increasing. I mean tank busters need to start hitting for near 500k bare

I would change Cover to assure safety to the whole party and it have less cool down.

bring back prey mechanics. We now have more than enough tools to handle them compared to HW where they were more rampant there.

The only thing I've ever thought "hey shield bash would be useful here" is stunning bozjan soldiers in slimes in DRS, but I've only tanked that on warrior so shrug

I just wish they got SOME form of healing level 50 or under, like, say... Every other tank innately has on their 123 combo. While Pally is amazing when you get to high level, it plays like trash in ARR, you can't even really handle Fates without having a healer with you or carrying... *Gasp* Potions. and no, I tried it, the chocobo doesn't help enough.

Increase Hallow Grounds duration to 20 seconds 😂😊

Thanks Xeno. That made sense to me. I'm a "mid" tank, so I'm not experienced with some of the more advanced concepts. This gives great insight.

Pld is going to be my main this expansion. Imo its the best tank

Say f it and make hallowed ground castable on others

I have a maybe stupid question about Enhanced Rampart : when they say "Increases HP recovery via healing action on self", does that mean that it only applies to the Rampart user's healing, or any healing, being self or external ? Also good video Xeno

I wish shield bash is just an OGC defensive skill that deals cone area stun lol

i'd be fine with hallowed being 7 mins if it covered the entire party smh

agreeing with ur cons but great aside of that yes :D liking paladin

Something that I've noticed (might be wrong) is Supplication Ready buff is 30s for each cast so PLD might be able to hold Atonement combo for like 1min-ish (Might feel forced to do 4 Atone for optimal rotation because last hit atone also hit harder?). Also Imperator cast is 25y is also nice change because sometime it felt really bad to go into melee to cast Req and then go out to cast the Magic Combo

Shield Bash is really good in Deep dungeons and exploration zones. But yeah. When you're not in there just take it off your bars.

new Req? Concern

Funny how everyone tries so hard to cut the lines when using the cover.

Wait so you want to do Attonement > Supplication, then enter burst phase, do your things, then do holy spirit ( 470 potency ) then do Sepulcher ( 480 ) , not twice Holy spirit ?

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Honestly, at this point I vote for having all invulns to just be removed. If tank mits keep getting this powerful, like xeno said, it just keeps closing the gap with invulns. Also, having stronger tank mits already make healers less valuable. Now having both stronger tank mits and invulns just make healers even less valuable. So either we DT needs to have some really hard hitting dmg (more autos, more dot on tank busters, more dot on raid wides and more frequent hard hitting mechanics), or invulns should just get removed entirely. Having invulns removed will also make tanks and healers having to play the game normally too.

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Can you set goaring blade to a different button other than what the fight or flight button is, mr bald man? I don't like my keybinds that i use for buffs turning into attack keybinds. Seems to be the case on all jobs in dawntrail

you use cover only once a year? huh.

wait, new req isn't just aoe, its also ranged!!!

All i got to say is... SHIELD MODE !!!!!

Super happy it didn’t change too much.

Did you tell them all this in the media tour?

Easy fix to invulns: return Holmgang and Bolide back to 6s duration.

Thanks again Xeno!

No goddamn way he got into media tour no way

Cover could be reworked to be like kardia or dance partner. You tether to one person and give them a permanent mit of some % or conditional shield, that maybe comes online when you cast sheltron or smth.

Love you're still keeping it real

Weird how you didn't talk about the gap closer doing damage compared to gnb and dark not doing damage And also intervene being unlocked at lvl 74 which is ridiculousl

PLD got shafted imo. They could have at least changed the oath gauge to be tied to the three hit combo, like they have EVERY OTHER CLASS.

One of the funniest things when I was progging DSR on WAR MT with PLD OT was if p5 went pear shaped after wrath, I was just invulning that buster anyway. He does one auto before the buster and then no auto's after said buster so it REALLY let the healers/caster (if not BLM lol) triage to get people up for DOTH just to practice because there was ZERO risk of me dying even if I accidentally popped invuln early. Not taking any damage wasn't a make or break. I could just bump myself up with equilibrium to give the healers a hand and even nascent flash someone just rezzed to help heal em up with my GCD's even AFTER yeeting it at whoever had the defamation jump during wrath. It was and still is a giant meme that I got 5 invulns vs their 2. I dunno how they could improve it without rocking the boat tbh, people get mad if you sneeze wrong in this game its obnoxious lmao. Shield bash I feel should either combo with holy sheltron (not necessarily replace it like other GCD skills do) to do fat damage if you're got it up as like... Implying you're mitigating a hit and beating the fuck out of whatevers hitting you in return, OR just make it an ability/GCD that does just fat damage and keeps the stun. It's useful in deep dungeons. Fuck man, rip shit from wow and make your shield bash make your shield lob ping pong between mobs in a 5-10y range and have that do increased damage as well. Make it a weave? Like there's so much cool stuff that COULD be done with those abilities because... What the hell is the point in having a shield if I don't use it visually in my attacks n stuff?? Holy sheltron doesn't look like I use it, neither does bulwark. They're just pretty effects on the player. I DUNNO MAN. PLD COULD BE WAY COOLER TO PLAY AESTHETICALLY IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WITH ""USELESS"" THINGS.

Wait?! Strummer got in?

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I am very happy that the rotation basically did not change at all since i love the re-worked pld from EW.

We did it my liege

good words baldo

Sepul xer?

Hallowed could get a cooldown reduction to bring it down to the same as bolide or maybe even a little lower, and you could just give a little extra thing to the others like bolide gets a hoc heal when it expires, living dead gives a free dark arts and holm gives you a free inner chaos when it expires or something, that way you fix plds invuln and make it not the only thing getting buffed

I would love if Hallowed Ground would be AoE/Ridewide it would make it unique in some kind of way as palladin already goes more for a party protector vibe with the wings and cover.

40% and a 1000 potency shield? Are they gonna introduce tankbusters that hit for more than 10% hp in casual content? Hell yeah!

Fact rotation are the same seem good to me. I mostly would like HG to get shorter, 7 min is way to long, almost twice as long CD as holmgang. Playing TEA as PLD is a pain due to that. Lower it by 1-2 min and make it so it mit 99.9% of damage or something instead xD Also sad that cover is never used since i think it has the coolest Icon by far.