Pan Am Training Video: "The Smoker" (circa mid-1980s) 

CHOCOLATE RAIN!

@@snuffbeats6056 fr lol this dude pioneered youtube

TAYZONDAY NO WAY

Blows young people's minds when I tell them when I was a teen, high schools had a smoking section for the students who smoke.

ya they should have at least had some of that plexiglass divider stuff that popped up over the last two years

FINALLY A KAREN COMMENT

Imagine the entitled person sitting behind who would be offended by her friend wanting to wear a fur ;)

@@WhatALoadOfTosca How would that make her entitled?

Fair chance she would be Invisible Karen lol

@@claresherman2278 She thinks she's entitled to her cigarette 🚬, but she's mistaken..

I'm glad I was born in 1990. Now being 32 I have healthy lungs. I have never smoked at all and everything has changed a lot since 1990's.

@@ERTChimpanzee you're fun at parties

@@festusbojangles7027 My party is behind PS4. ;)

You would smell like an ashtray after you sat in the "non-smoking section" as well.

@@festusbojangles7027 parties, bars, and planes are totally different places.

@@lukes7479 so, you are cool with a separate peeing section in the swimming pool?

Exactly, spot on description!

@@lukes7479 Both my parents, one grandparent, one cousin, and three aunts died of smoking related issues. I HATE SMOKING and would like to see it disappear from the planet. And I certainly do NOT want to be exposed to the emissions of fools who want to suck carbon monoxide, tar and nicotine into their lungs. If you want to smoke on an airplane, go sit on the wing. Without a seat belt.

@@bb22602 relax a little. Have a smoke. You seem stressed. You are not allowed to smoke on airplanes for over 25 years. Why be so mad about about it

I flew to Spain in the no smoking section which was the row in front of the smoking section. The smoke didn’t know it was supposed to stop at the seat behind me. Worst flight ever. I’d rather have been in a pool at least then I don’t know if someone has peed. 😂

I was at TWA during that same period, the good old days. I am glad I was able to experience that service and take my mom on many First Class trips, we had a blast. She was my traveling buddy.

Tell us, is there more videos about emergencies etc.? I'm dying to know!

Which one were you?

Did you ever see an Alien Space ship ? Daily occurrence's in 2022

Annita, are you the lady in green behind the two ladies in this video? I was trying to determine from your own youtube videos, but it's hard to tell because of the resolution of this video. if that's you, I loved that you were waving the smoke away from your face at the end of the first example. even before I read your comment, it made me laugh out loud.

Better service too . The best airlines today aren't in the USA anymore.

Fr

I was just thinking that...

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mAsKs SaVe LiVeS

I was thinking about that, too, but there aren't mask and no-mask sections on planes, unfortunately, but maybe that would be a good idea!

Yeah, don't remind me. In my early days of flying, the non-smoking section was maybe 8 rows or so, but by the time they banned it it had changed so much that the smoking section was down to about 4-6 rows. But you're 100% right about that. Many of them had their cigs and lighters in hand during take-off.

@@andydaniel2 A bit exaggerated I think about the cigs and lighters in their hand during take off, but yes. Many passengers were nervous of flying and that first cigarette after take off worked wonders to settle then down, relax then and ease their nerves.

I loved that ding! 👍🏼

You ask a lot of those same people who smoked and are still alive now a days. They will tell you it is absolutely insane how the world turned about face on the habit.

I don’t think many planes crashed because someone was smoking, but thank goodness it’s banned. People used to smoke in theatres and cinemas as well. You looked around in the dark and all you could see were little orange glows. That was more dangerous.

@@thegreat_I_am At music concerts everyone pulled their lighters out and I think that was more charming than everyone pulling out their mobile phone to film the same concert that thousands of other people are already recording and which you can find on RU-vid or Facebook the next day.

@@thegreat_I_am Air Canada 797 crashed due to a fire from an improperly disposed of cigarette, put out in a lavatory bin. Varig 820 also had a fire in the lavatory as well, which caused the FAA to ban smoking from all lavatories. The risks are far greater on an aircraft than in a movie theatre, if there is a fire, there are escapes readily accessible. There is limited space to move to and smoke can quickly fill a plane, let alone not having access to clean air or taking 15-20 minutes to reach a suitable landing site if possible, let alone over the middle of the Atlantic like this Pan Am flight it supposed to be doing.

"the amount of things that could go wrong" What about alcohol? That should be banned on flights. It's a source of many disruptive passengers.

Ah yes, I remember well the caramel nicotine stain on the walls and ceilings. My least favorite color.

That really was ridiculous. One bulkhead was not going to stop the smoke from drifting into the non smoking section. Also the recycled air!

My grandmother's house had the same tar-and-nicotine film coating every single wall.

Fun, and somewhat silly fact about the tar stains; aircraft mechanics were somewhat inconvenienced once smoking was banned because the the stains left by cigarette smoke would help them visually diagnose cabin pressure leaks with ease. If there was a leak all the smoke would get sucked into it and leave heavier stains around the crack or whatever the issue happened to be.

@@danapb just like face diapers nowadays

My high school in California had a smoking section as well and I graduated in 82. I think it was still there when my brother graduated in 88. I remember in elementary school walking past the teacher's lounge was like crossing into Marlboro Country.

My high school had an unauthorized wide irrigation ditch nearby under trees where smoke billowed all day long and the only teachers braving the journey past the portable buildings joined in. Ah, the '70s

Yes, same, back in the day, 😂

I still remember the ashtrays in the faculty lounges...

I started high school JUST after the ban on smoking and it was great because all my family smoked I’d go to school to get away from the stink!

Roger that, Roger. What’s our vector, Victor?

That is SUCH a classic!

How he survived I'll never know. Howie survived? No, Howie died.

@@PanAmMuseum We have clearance Clarence!

@@traviskilmer542 This is Captian Oveur, over!

Kinda like wearing a mask to protect against Covid, right?

@@olderbutyoung7959 Smokers blow their smoke out of their mouths over long distances, mask keep the germs of 100 to 300 people confined.

lol Yea, I am also old enough to have smoked on a plane. As I recall, the smoking section was in back and the air system was set up so the air flowed from front to back. That said, no doubt the non smokers could still smell it. As a kid, I really hated smoking. I have strong memories of my grandmother smoking in the car. How I started smoking is beyond me but now that I am a non smoker again I, again, realize how repulsive the smell is. Not to mention the yellow walls etc. It gets into everything.

Smoke cannot pass row 45. It just literally can't. 😉

@@hicknopunk 😆🚬💨🚭4️⃣5️⃣

Lol!

lmao!

You can throw a burning cigarette into a jerrycan full of gasoline and nothing will happen apart from the cigarette being extinguised. It’s the gas/air mixture that is flammable.

@@Ozymandias1 I know. But most don’t and sure would get an idiot to put out the Smokey treat real fast!

That really wasn't an issue. if fuel fumes were leaking into the passenger cabin at anywhere near the intensity to catch fire, you wouldn't want to be on that airplane at any cost.

You mean they actual care a bit, however small, about whom they offend?

AMEN..low life's, in general population Downfall of America

@@cigmorfil4101 That's what it says. I hate these Word Crimes...

Forget about going to a boxing match; if you want serious ring-side entertainment and action you arm yourself, book a flight, then board sit back and wait for the action. Throw around a few passive aggressive comments if it's necessary to get the rumble started.

could care less...i always have to try and remember what that means. I could care less. There is always someone lower than you are.

This kind of thing really happens. So many times some sad person needs to bring their dog on the bus. I usually speak right up to the driver and say I am good with it. I am literally the exact type of person the rule is trying to "protect".

The smoking zone was at the very back of the plane.

@@jeromelombardo6053 Yes. At the back, but still inside of the tube.

@@migbham1 Right, but cabin airflow goes from the front to the back and from the top to the bottom, reducing (while not totally eliminating) the effect of the smoke towards the front.

@Allison Hunter and I am glad they did. 😁

@Moonlight I honestly hate the smell. I've never smoked in my car or home for this reason. I don't mind the smell when I'm smoking, but the though of being closed in a tube (or anything) with it makes me nauseous.

Let's not forget that flight attendants are crucial for aviation safety. That's their core purpose to keep things save and sound in the cabin.

@@enemdisk6628 that’s absolutely right

I've never been on a smoking flight but it might actually have made a difference, the air in a pressurized cabin is completely recycled every couple of minutes with the airflow going to an overboard valve usually in the front or back of the plane. If its at the back the smoke and smell would naturally be carried away from the rest of the passengers by the cabin air flow

Why not stand in the back and smoke?

@@exjock4foodie you weren't allowed to be moving around the cabin with a cigarette or standing, you had to be sitting in a seat.

@@kona702 Absolutes never hold true. My flight on United Airlines Summer of 1983 to Japan had most of the men in the back smoking and gambling. The smoke layer hit the arms rest. There was no escaping the smoke. The plane did not filter the air like they do now.

@@exjock4foodie I don't believe it was allowed. Like today (possibly back then) you can not stand in the isle, or congregate around the galley. Its too long ago to remember the reason. But it seems plausible.

That's mad! BTW, from the UK and had to Google "Candy Striper". Nice term.

@@newbarker523 It was a very long time ago. We don't have them in hospitals anymore. We thought we were cute. Hahaha

I remember people smoking in my workplaces.

One of the few things I don't miss about the 80's!

@@bwc1976 Working with smokers was the worst, because there was no way of escaping the toxic fug and it permeated your hair and clothing.

@@banana9106 I must have STUNK! All my childhood I lived with smokers. 3 to be exact, all smoked a lot of cigs every day around me. My mother (died 2020 from stomach cancer most likely caused by smoking) deeply regretted smoking around me but my grandparents didn’t seem to care tbh. I cannot bear the smell of cigs these days it makes me feel sick.

@@desertrose1226 I remember going out to nightclubs when I was 16+ in 1986 onwards. The connection between smoking and cancer had been established some 30 years earlier, yet the clubs were full of people smoking. My parents rarely smoked, but both grandfathers and one grandmother smoked. One grandfather had a series of strokes, the other had some sort of emphysema or COPD type of disease that killed him and my grandmother had cancer. I worked for a now defunct drug discovery company called "Peptide Therapeutics" in 1996. It was in rented units and there was no smoking in the labs, but the canteen and offices were full of people puffing away as they worked. There was even one older ex medical doctor who used to smoke a pipe and cigars. Horrible when it goes on in your home or workplace, because it is not like you have much choice about either.

Wow. He'd never be able to fly nowadays with an addiction like that.

Cool, since the title says mid 80s, that really means alot.

The world was awesome back then

@@Omar-xg3lm yes indeed, i miss those days

@@acb9896 Don't you go by DB?

Bahahahaha

It’s patsy and Edina

@@Patrick3183 Absolutely Fabulous is hilarious!

It was the 80s. The pinnacle for selfishness in America which still permeates to this day.

And their fur stank. It soaks up the fumes.

Love it!!!

Same here. Probably until around '02 or '03. And I remember there was a divider. My Aunt Linda graduated in 1971, married the same year. When Disney in Orlando open late that year they flew from the Metro Detroit Airport to Orlando non stop, they reserved the smoking section because they both smoked at the time. Linda actually started in her senior year, in high school. Aunt Linda and Uncle Bill have long since kicked the habit and feel much healthier. But back then then they were in high school in the late 1960s we didn't know what we know now, about the various health effects smoking has on you, and that second hand smoke is as dangerous as actually smoking. We've come a long way

Flying Air Koryo is far riskier to your health than smoking!

Hahaha. That is such a hilarious and unnecessary touch. You're right.

And people weren't as overweight and rude.

Who gives a damn what a passenger thinks there are rules and you will follow them or be rightfully removed. You don't go into someone's business, who you are trying to buy from, and break all their businesses rules and be rude. What's the difference on a plane.

@@lindsey7951 You might not give a damn. And I might not give a damn. But from from the nature of the Pan Am TRAINING video, it is rather clear that Pan Am wanted even an obnoxious person handled with kid gloves. It was with THAT goal in mind (Pan Am's) that I made my comment.

@@trainliker100 uhhhh.....a whole lot nicer than I would be. Ma'am, please put out your cigarette immediately or you will be removed from this flight and banned. End of story. (And I'm a smoker myself) How daft does one need to be?

@@alexbobson6747 The problem with that is that it would be a terrible customer service practice. Yes, the person is a pig. But if you take the hard line, you not only lose the pig as a customer (which you might not care about, but their money is also green), you also lose, on average, seven future customers based on what she tells people. And you also make the environment extremely unpleasant for everyone else in the cabin, or at least those within earshot. The jerk's cigarette smoking, true, makes for some unpleasantness. But it is a lousy customer service tactic to "go nuclear" unless there is no alternative. The goal is to get the desired behavior and deescalate, not escalate.

Totally agree with this. When you've won your point, move on. And reward them for conceding.

As a flight crew member we always encourage children to come into the cockpit to speak with the captain.

@@candyorange266 Never heard of an airline called Olympus. Do you mean Olympic? I would very seriously doubt that a steward would be smoking while serving drinks to passengers in the cabin. In all the 100's of smoking flights I have taken over several decades I have never seen such a thing. Crew smoking away from passengers in the galleys yes, smoking while walking around the cabin serving passengers, never.

In 1996 I went to the cockpit too. And helped the flight attendants hand out lollies on the decent.

Well, I mean it’s hard. I’m trying to quit, but it just keeps kicking my ass 😭😭😭 The lozenges help, but it’s like, after a meal or having a beer is the WORST thing for it 😖😖😖 Any pointers? I DID cut my smoking in half, but I want to be done with it

@@midnightlegcramp8620 I had a co-worker who claimed he quit by keeping a stash of toothpicks that were dipped in cinnamon oil. When he felt the urge, he'd grab a toothpick instead. It satisfied the hand-to-mouth habit, and the spiciness of it meant you kept pulling it from your mouth. Personally, after smoking for over a decade, I have finally quit due to a combination of factors: 1. I moved out of state, so I'm away from my smoker-friends social circle, 2. I've replaced the cigarettes with weed (vape, mostly). I have quit a few times in the past, too. What helps me is I can honestly tell myself that quitting doesn't have to be forever. That may or may not work for you, but it helps me by removing a finality of the decision and the guilt of regression. Anyways, good luck to you. Keep trying different things, you will eventually find something that works.

@@4k-os I sure do appreciate it brother! I think that’s a lot of what’s holding me back is the finality sorta feeling about it. That actually sounds perfect for me! Just pretend like it’s only temporary and just trick my mind that way 🤔 I never even thought about that, I’ll give that a try! Thank you sooo much! God bless you!

Finally a Momento sequel!

People were ok handling responsibilities like an adult. I've never smoked, but don't realize why society kept going all 'this is for your safety'.

IIRC Southwest FA's sometimes made that joke during the safety lecture.

More to come!

Um…….. you do realise this is a training video and not real? Are you actually for real, you need help if you can’t work out fact and fiction. I swear

@@handsoffmycactus2958 i think we've all collectively found the end of youtube... and the consciousness of man.

Are you mental? The passenger had a typical A-S sense of crony entitlement.

Before Karen's were common.

Rightfully so when your a stuck up brittle lung like her character.

On point!

quite right. I would bring the duct tape.

Young people today are amazed when you tell them that Airlines had smoking and non smoking 🚭 sections.

I miss free America.

I'm only 30 and I miss the smell of cigarettes in bars, and restaurants. Can't even smoke in a bar anymore. If you find a way back, I might join you.

Lol. I wish more companies did this. For instance, it would have prepared me for the both entitled and ghetto Karens that frequented my old job.

@@bonkersdonkers7381 Yeah, it's a shock when you start to really meet the Karens as the helpless customer service worker. You never imagine a person could act like that until it happens.

Karens were very respectful compared to the trash of today

"to keep the peace" lmfao!!!! what a line!

A friend of mine(who had asthma) actually had to leave a restaurant due to cigarette smoke.

Have you tried calling pan am customer service?

@@jenniferburchill3658 ugh! I hate cigs! I don’t have asthma (fortunately.. all my family smoked and I passive smoked for years) and even I cough when I’m around smoke.

@@desertrose1226 She didn't even last a minute after walking though the restaurant door. It hit her that quickly.

Excuse me, stewardess....I speak jive!

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Cut me some slack, Jack!

Seen 3 people in my family go from either nasty, end stage cancer or just dropping dead from a massive heart attack. The whole lot of them smokers, as well. I started smoking at age 15 and quit just in 2019.. Absolutely do not want to go out that way 🫣

@@sk8terboi510 i don’t know if you know about the low dose CT scan program for long term smokers but p,ease ask your doctor about it. It is a program where you will be lose dose CT scanned periodically so that any cancers will be picked up early. It’s a good program.

@@traveler320ak7 Not everybody goes in for CT scans or has insurance or money to do so and you know that so stop trying to belittle the point.

My mother, grandfather and grandmother ALL died from smoking related cancers. Mums death was very sudden. End stage cancer with covid pneumonia. Absolutely AWFUL. I loved my mother more than anything but I wish she’d not been so stupid. She smoked all her life from 14 to her mid 60s, she quit too late. Dead from cancer at just 72 😢

If you were so grossed out by her cigarette smoking, there's no way you ever ate her box.. which is probably why she broke up with you.

If you found the idea of sitting in the smoking section so unbearable, why did you not ask for a non-smoking seat at check in when asked if you wanted smoking or non smoking? You can't possibly know for a fact that you were the only non-smoker in the smoking section. By the way, its affecting not effecting.

@@Ben-xe8ps I was with my girlfriend for 2 years. Her smoking never effected me. We always sat in the smoking section of restaurants and at the movies. As far as the flight it was the first time it effected me because everyone was smoking in the smoking section. I asked to move forward but was told told the flight was fully booked and every seat was taken. Sorry for the grammar mistake. I'm not using it as an excuse but I am dyslexic.

Our pleasure!

@S.E.C-R Yes because our society has gone down the toilet.

exactly. I remember every car my father had in the 80's and 90's the A/C went out just after 3 years. We drove all the time with the windows down. Today that would be considered ghetto.

In my flight attendant training evaluations, one of my classmates did exactly that. But he was extremely polite about it, yet incredibly firm. He passed, but I'm not sure how lol. I forced myself to do it more like the second scenario, even though it's not easy when they try to argue with you.

i liked #1... firm and straight to the point. #2 was begging for compliance with a shaky voice and lacked confidence to steer the passenger into complying.

This is an extremely improbable story from the 1980's. Firstly, if this passenger wished to smoke and the aircraft was only 25% full why did he not ask for a smoking seat in the first place or, having accepted a non-smoking seat at check in, why not just move himself to a seat in the smoking area? Why did he ask to be moved? It was very common for passengers who were occasional smokers to wander to the smoking area to smoke the occasional cigarette during a flight. Why did the FA refuse to allow him to move? On what basis? Nobody would have threatened to divert an aircraft for that in those days and certainly they could not have threatened to have the passenger arrested. Airlines did not behave like that in those days. That was pre 9/11 and paranoid security and paranoid laws.

@@Ben-xe8ps Well, I see your points but I was there. I don't know why he ended up in the non-smoking section, maybe a travel agent booked it and assumed. As far as the FA, I don't know, but maybe she felt he needed to accept her authority first before she would move him. Also, I only told you what she told him the captain said - could have been a bluff on the captain's part or on her part. I was on a flight where police were called to remove a pair of passengers before 9/11, this was before we left the gate and even less "serious" than lighting up a cigarette in the smoking section.

@@andydaniel2 I agree with you that the passenger should have stopped smoking when asked to do so and in those days most passengers would have done so. The FA does appear to have escalated the situation rather than attempt to resolve it though. Could it perhaps be that the 'fasten seat belts' sign was on at the time and the real problem was that the FA told him he cannot get up of his seat and move to a seat in the smoking section while the sign is illuminated? That is the only scenario that makes any real sense here. I would have thought that by the time the FA had seen the passenger smoking, come to his seat, have the conversation, leave and go to speak to the Captain and return, the passenger would have already finished the cigarette! On what basis would the Captain have had the passenger arrested? It was not a criminal offence to smoke in a non-smoking seat. The police would have had a good laugh at that Captain and the airline would have been MAD at him for the delays and costs of his ridiculous overreaction. How the passenger ended up seated in non-smoking if he wanted smoking on a flight with so many empty seats we will never know. However, if it was important to him he should have looked at his boarding card and sorted it out before boarding the aircraft. Quite why the passenger believed he needed her to move him rather than just moving himself is also a mystery. In those days there was none of this 'you must sit in your allocated seat' nonsense that we have today. So long as he didn't attempt to move himself into First Class or something, nobody would have questioned his changing seats into an empty seat within the same class of service. The attitude of this passenger implies there is more to this story. Perhaps the aircraft was not quite as empty as you recall, the passenger was amongst the last to check-in and smoking was already full? A shortage of smoking seats though would show how popular smoking seats were and contradict all the anti-smokers here who are all so happy that smoking aboard aircraft is no more. Calling the police to aircraft pre-9/11 was very rare indeed in my experience. What did these two passengers actually do? It must have been something really criminal ....

@@Ben-xe8ps I could be wrong about load but TBH everything except Xmas and Thanksgiving has rarely more than 1/2 full. Seat belt sign - no recollection. No recollection of when he boarded etc, I only noticed him when the disagreement started. The two passenger thing was not at all criminal and actually a sad situation. Long story short I was on a flight from NY to Miami or maybe FLL, there was a huge snowstorm in NYC and everything was delayed. I think it might have been Spirit Airlines only because many of the passengers were connecting to I think Carribean and/or South American destinations. They made an announcement at one point that people connecting to (can't remember which) city will no longer make their connection and should deplane for rebooking the next day. Some time later, they made a similar announcement about a different city. One elderly couple (late 70s, early 80s maybe) said they would rather stay on board and pay for their own hotel in Florida. The airline insisted they deplane saying they "could not be responsible for them" which was ridiculous. Eventually 2 NYPD officers came on. You could tell that the officers really wanted to have nothing to do with this situation as they had committed no crime at all, but they had no choice - if the airline says get them off they have to remove them. After a few minutes the couple relented and left on their own. The chatter among passengers near me after they left was not on the side of airline. I do agree that it was rare, but it really was later than 9/11 when it become more common. A friend of mine is a FA for SWA, she loves her job but has thought about quitting because of the current state of things. She posted a few months back "We had to have police on my flight AGAIN" - but gave no details at all. Obviously she flies way more than I ever have, my tale is the only time I have seen cops on my plane. Never seen a fight either. So far so good.

@@andydaniel2 I saw a good fight once at LHR mid 90's. Won't name the airline (not a UK or US airline) but on boarding a male passenger and a male FA had a disagreement over something (no idea what) so they both got off the plane onto the airbridge to have a real fight with each other as passengers were still boarding. What you witnessed with that elderly couple sounds like a clear case of the airline knowing they would be responsible for the expenses of the passengers at the transit stop if they missed their connection and a clever (in their eyes) way of getting out of paying - they probably intended to tell the couple to go home in the snow and return ti the airport the next day. In the same position I think I would have preferred to proceed to MIA, both to be away from the snowstorm and to be sure that the same thing would not happen again the next day!

They allowed it until 2006 here in Ohio. I was in the 6th grade so most of it feels like a fever dream. I wish owners still had a choice. I'm sure 90% of places wouldn't do it, but then the rest of us could have a place or two to enjoy.

There was a difference, the non smoking section was always worse, even the service.