Panasonic S5 | Worth upgrading from the GH5? 

totally agree :) just got S5 and had gh5 for years and a bit confused :) the codecs maybe better 4.2.2 on S5 but it has a lower bitrate on S5. Then 4k 60p its croped so that means you could not use FF and for wide shots you need super wide lens. Lenses are limited on L mount (wide collection on old lenes like m42, but no native affordable prime lenses) I have plenty 1.4 / 1.8 lenses on M43 and size its just more than half from FF L mount lenses. Quality of the image I would not say its a big step up. From GH5 and right lens you could get decent image. Button layout on s5 looks like panasonic G80 entry level comparing to GH5 whit much more extra buttons and better dieals. Dials I prepefer more on GH5. Also the menu on S5 is too small for my eye and I got 20/20 vision so prefer on GH5. Slow motion on S5 its on different dial mode S&Q and only records in MP4 WTF??? So whanted to move to FF but now now Im confused.... S1 & S1H not for me too heavy will consider to move to iPhone 13 pro max instead of S5 :)

Maybe I have something in my eyes. but I think the GH5 had slightly better image than S5... S5 wins on autofocus...

@Zack Darce It´s a bit stressful situation. (we have an "old" Canon C2000), old in the sense it only records full HD, and has no IBIS, focus is bad ... it has all kinds of small issues... so I would like to get some next gen, still, new cameras are so expensive that my heart stops. New stuff is coming out, but prices are very high. The GH5 seems to have many good things, the thing I am a little unsure of is the autofocus (in those cases you need it). Another smaller issue is filming in dark... where SONY shines (but in some test, the Sony IBIS was jerky), and the new a7s III will be around 4.400€ - GOD OF MERCY, I get a car or MC for that price. Then is the question if GH6 will come out, when and at what price?

@@PjotrII I thought so too

The GH5 set a new standard, and the only thing that would make go FF is for low-light and shooting with my vintage glass without a Speed Booster.

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I agree, this is one of the channels I always check if I'm interested in something because they're likely to notice something that no one else does, and to put things into useful perspective

Agreed

Same here

How much gh5

Agreed. I honestly think it would make more sense to fuse the S version with the GH line for the GH6. It probably doesn't need the fancy larger m43 sensor of the GH6, but a 10-12mp sensor that's stabilized would be awesome. And the G9/upcoming G10 can just retain the hybrid function. Panasonic needs to develop their own sensors though. It looks like they're at the mercy of Sony who doesn't want to sell them PDAF enabled sensors.

Same here

I really want to get the GH5 but I keep seeing its not good for photography and I really want to be able to do both filmmaking and photography. What's your experience with the GH5 for photography if u have any?

Merhaba Kerem Ogretmen, Do you recommend Leica 15mm f1.7mm for GH5 Videos? I am thinking to purchase a Leica 15mm or Loawa 12mm F1.8. Note: I own a 25mm Leica 1.4 mm it is a bit narrow for my video requirements. (I pretty much use 13-35mm F2.8 all the time and looking for a small portable walk around lens)

@@mssapmaz Merhabalar :) yes because the focusing is very direct that you couldn't even tell its focus by wire, personally I can't use 12 mm as the only lens for being that wide, but 15mm is the perfect balance for this,

@@mssapmaz Sigma 16mm 1.4 is a great option as well!

This is me exactly as well, I really don't like the S5 being looked at as an upgrade to the GH5 as it is no more an upgrade than moving to the E-Mount for the A7S III or RF mount for the R5. It is the video capabilities of a camera body that is driving my interest in upgrading. The S5 is a decent enough camera it seems, but in no way would it be convincing me to buy into a lens system with limited choice that is also predominantly very expensive.

Dominic Ryan I am sure the S5 is a great camera for those with L-mount lenses, but an upgrade to the GH5 it is not. The GH5S and the upcoming GH6 range are far more interesting potential upgrades.

ojoaoefixe Why continue making MFT? Because there is a need for it. This is exactly like back in film days. Certain projects, mostly artistic creations such as feature films were shot on 35mm (and 35mm movie meant APSC format. However, 35mm had too shallow a depth of field for other kinds of motion picture. This included almost all documentary and interview footage, and that would always be shot on 16mm (which was around the size of 1 inch sensors. Where greater depth of field was required, 8mm was used, although that format was also used for family type footage. You don’t seem to understand that at a professional level there is often a need for a smaller sensor, and while 1 inch is a great format, MFT is a step up in quality while still maintaining a useful depth of field. Unfortunately a lot of the RU-vid conversation is dominated by well meaning amateurs who have convinced themselves that full frame is somehow “better”. That is sometimes true, but not always. Sometimes MFT or 1 inch is “better”. This is why a studio like mine has cameras with a wide range of sensor sizes from 1/2.5 to full frame. Camera sales figures reveal that there are a lot more smaller sensor cameras sold than larger sensors. You should perhaps check out professional video equipment. APSC Super 35 exists, as well as MFT, but the majority of professional broadcast cameras have sensors 1 inch or less.

​@@joaocorreiamedia What did @artistjoh say exactly that was crap? My take away was they were just saying that different needs are best served by different cameras. I completely agree with this. My main use is landscape & nature videography, this can involve hiking for hours. The lens size and weight discrepancy you seem to be palming off as no big deal is in fact a very big deal for this. The high end M43 telephoto options are a fraction of the size, weight and cost of FF options. I have have FF cameras too, in fact most of my camera bodies are Sony FF. They are definitely what I reach for any time low light is a factor. For low light applications the FF advantage is night and day. However I have yet to reach for them for thin DOF as the DOF from M43 is perfectly suitable for all useful scenarios I've encountered to date. People seem to forget that the GH5s is a 1.8x crop factor. Put a Metabones 0.64 speedbooster in front of that and you have FF equivalent crop of just 1.15. I mean you could put one of the f/1.2 EF lenses on there for a maximum effective aperture of f/0.77 or something, I just can't think of an application where that sort of razor thin focal plane would be useful for video (I expect it exists though).

Dominic Ryan I suspect that ojo whatever has never used a GH5s for work. He appears to buy certain cameras due to low price rather than practical needs. He apparently can’t imagine, for example, needing to use a wide open aperture due to light conditions yet maintain as deep a depth of focus as possible. And if he doesn’t personally experience that need, then anything we might require is just crap. I tried to enlighten him on the bigger world beyond his personal experience, but he meets that with rudeness so I wouldn’t give him the time of day.

Good point, but what about the future? I remember 5 years ago in my life almost nobody was talking about 4K. Sure it was there but it was meant for 'Movies or way too professional people' .Nowadays high resolution playback devices are growing and de difference is going to be noticed if we don't change to 4K. Sure, right now it is not that important, but lets see in 5-10 years.

An IBIS system for a full frame sensor is much larger than the one for a m4/3 sensor. I imagine that is why we see a smaller hdmi port. It’s not like Panasonic to put a smaller one on such an otherwise well featured camera unless they had too. Carl

Unlimited records time is available in 1080p 10 bits as well 8 bit 4k. So in 4k 10bit it not a big deal , better to be save than sorry.

@@enuapame7223 Also the 10-bit 30min limit was implemented in cases of operation at 43 degrees Celsius, so it can be restarted many times under most conditions.

Yup, I'm an S1 owner that's not super happy about this at all. Especially since those features were left out to get us to consider the S1H. I really dont see why Panasinic can't add these features into the S1 at this point. Most notably, 10 bit 4:2:0 at 4K 60p, and shutter angle.

It is because this is clearly targeting existing GH5 users who expect those features when making the switch

@@nwpgunner As long as they also add these firmware features to the S1, that's okay. Otherwise, I feel a lack of integrity with current customers.

@@nwpgunner I was one of those GH5 users expecting these features when I bought the S1. I wouldnt be so irritated by this if they dodnt price it cheaper than the S1. The G9 is the photo focused camera from their M43 systems, and it's cheaper tham the GH5. I dont even expect ALL the features from the S5, I'm not unreasonable. But come on, what is shutter angle really costing them to just add in? 10 bit 420 at 4K 60 actually makes 4K 60 useable with V-LOG. I don't expect anamorphic support, raw output, or anything else the S5 has. Hell, I couldn't care less about the S1 getting the S5 autofocus upgrade. Those two features would satisfy me as an S1 early adopter, and there's no reason they can't be added in now that they've cannibalized the S1 in the market. They were clearly left out to drive people to the S1H to get those features, but now the game has changed.

What speedbooster are you using? Do you know what place has the best price on the booster and lens?

MgelinFilms Cheap Vitrox speedbooster is good enough for video use. But if you have money, 10-25 is better overall. I owned both.

@@waynecake5867 10-25...? Viltrox? Metabones? Or are you referring to a 10-25 lumix stabilized lens? Forgive me not knowing what you mean... I am new to all this. I never even owned a DSLR. Whatever I get will be my first [real] camera.

@@mgelinfilms7344 I mean Panasonic Leica 10-25mm f1.7 lens.

@@waynecake5867 Thank you.

I'm using g9s for wedding video work and it's only me and my 17yr old daughter. 90% of the shots I get are from my camera. Not having AF has never been an issue for me. I prefer manual focus...even my daughter is good at focusing manually

Jorge Martinez I do manual focus but when I comes to run and gun shoots I dont have time to manually focus

Sony color science compared to Lumix is shit. seriously

@@martysender5539 Tony's survey of 1500 people say otherwise. Old sony colour is bad I agree. But the newer models are all pretty decent. Better than Canon. With my Canon I'm always dropping saturation by 10 at least in post.

Those who buy sony A73 are those who are not into videography/cenematography but for those vloger depend on Autofocus.

I own both the GH5 and the A7III. Believe me, for video options, stick with the GH5. You can work around focus issues but you can't improve 8bit to 10bit, stabilisation, shutter angle over shutter speed, all-i recording, unlimited record time, smaller and greater lens options... the list goes on. The S5 looks like a great camera but there's still so much the GH5 can do that the S5, and other similarly priced cameras, can't do.

The only problem would be the 3D focus currently only works for centre point focus. But I think in a couple of years time, we should see one that has at least 9 or maybe even 45 point AF like DSLRs. I guess it could work if you shoot everything wider and just crop to the point of focus.

@@professionalpotato4764 Yeah I do wonder if they'll fix that in a firmware update.

I have the 25 mm Voigtlander and just ordered the 10.5mm. This is an awesome pair that works for many many situtations. For lowlight I also bring my 2 aputure M9 lights. Compact, small and great imag quality.

I am also this type of photographer/videographer with a 50/50 demand. Therefore I decided to go for the Lumix G9. For me the perfect decision. I think the genes of the S5 are closer to the G9 than to the GH5. Because I like the Panasonic system so much, in case of an upgrade I would stick to the S5 instead of choosing the much more expensive (but also capable) Sony A7SIII with its horrible user interface. Because I am absolutely satisfied with my two G9s I'm also not waiting impatiently for a MFT upgrade like a G9 MkII or a GH6.

@@frankthoma6764 I agree with you Frank. But after watching Tony & Chelsea's review of the S5 I maybe change my mind again. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XNNW_JAsGgQ.html They do actually talk quite a lot about the S5's capability for photos and what they say about it is very positive, it being a Full frame camera and all. I think I will put the immature thought of trying to sell my GH5 together with the 12-35 and 35-100 lenses in the oven, bake it for a couple of weeks and see what comes out, maybe it will be too irresistible to not try do that?

12MP is underwhelming for stills IMO. I need at least 20MP without AA filter tonget stills I find satisfyingly sharp to watch on my 4K screen

No, it's for tax avoiding/legal purpose, due to EU regulation beyond 30 min that would be recorder/hdv territory range

@@franchocou Not really, the GH5 and GH5s sold in Europe were different from the other ones in the world that did not suffer from this limit. Panasonic has done it for a long time. I am sure the problem reside elsewhere.

Absolutely agree, this would be a great camera for you by the sounds of things. The a7sIII is a much more capable camera though remember, that’s why it’s nearly twice the price. Carl

What? Who are you? Do you work for Panasonic? Please tell us when [exactly] will the GH6 will be released...

i want the GH6-S

Same haha. What did you go with?

Gh5 under $800 Where?

What lenses do you use on your GH5 out of interest? Carl

@@ProAVTV I'm a low-to-no-budget filmmaker, so mostly low cost primes like Samyang 12mm/2, Sigma 16mm/1.4, Lumix 20mm/1.7 and 25mm/1.7, and Olympus 45mm/1.8

Same here, I'm sticking with the GH5. I might at some point upgrade to a Blackmagic Design camera. I use all EF glass with a focal reducer.

Same here. I use Olympus Pro prime lenses 17,25 & 45 f1.2. They almost make up for the cameras low light shortcomings and are much easier to use than full frame glass. I will upgrade to a GH6 is they get just 3 things right... GH5S sensor with IBIS, 10bit 4K 60 internal, full V-Log.

They keep saying that they will keep development of micro 4/3s but to be honest it doesn't get any better than this camera thinking of the low light capabilities and the 5.9k raw output for about $2k this might be the gh6 people has been waiting for

I upgraded from the g7 then g85 and finally the g9. The g9 is amazing IMO.

AVICIIZ All expectations are that the GH6 will drop in last quarter 2020 or first quarter 2021. As there have also been rumors about advances with their new Time of Flight AF, I expect that we will get the GH6 as soon as the new AF is fully cooked. They got so much stick over the GH5 AF at launch I suspect they want to avoid a repeat of that.

@@artistjoh let's hope so ;)

fabian puello Nope Fabian. There is a place for full frame, but there is also a need for a crop sensor camera as well. For video we often need a greater depth of field, plus the smaller file sizes per frame allows more options. This is the practical reason the GH5 was so far ahead of the competition at launch. The engineers could implement new things that were simply not possible with larger sensors without fans and much larger bodies (as with cinema cameras). This is why Panasonic won’t be abandoning MFT any time soon - with MFT they can push the envelope, and then migrate new features to full frame a couple of years later when it becomes possible to do. But even if that wasn’t so, there would be plenty of videographers demanding MFT sensor cameras. Many are like me and shoot both full frame and MFT.

Lenses will always be pricer for full frame than for micro four thirds. However with the Sigma MC21 you can use any EF lenses on this. There are some fantastic affordable EF lenses. Carl

@@ProAVTV Yess im waiting to see if i fully switch to S5 or wait for GH6 (and keep my lenses) i have 35 1.4 art canon (for my 6D mk2 ) and 50 mm 1.4 sigma . But still the lense ive purchased for my gh5 are so good for the price (specially the mitanon 25 0.95 and SLR 8 mm (my best buy 160 €)

...but for a switch. It is not upgrading where you need new lenses and everything. Both are not really compatible. Ton of Money.

No problem thanks for watching Carl

Yep, saw that too, I was stunned to see how underperforming the IBIS on the S5 was.

@@GayBoucheryGonzague It can't be that surprising considering the extra size and weight of the sensor being in an even smaller body?

I agree! I really enjoyed my time with the camera. Carl

OH and the sigma 18-35mm is lighter, even with the speedbooster attached, than the f2.8 zooms for FF.

Right!

They are in the business of selling cameras and lenses to go with...

The S5 with the 20-60 has shallower DOF so there is more blur.

@@catattackcat8754 "blur" as you call it was not really the problem here. Look carefully and you will see

We use GH5 for weddings since years, even in low light conditions... With the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 there was never a need to go beyond ISO800 using the Viltrox Speedbooster...

@@mediacousticsmultimedia7359 I understand what you mean - I also don’t want to resort to a wide angle with a speed booster to hope to achieve results that I can achieve with a more expensive body and cheaper glass.

@@mediacousticsmultimedia7359 I know it can be done and it's possible...I would just rather spend a tiny bit more money and get incredibly improved results is all

Only (or hands down best) option for you is GH5 as S5 will require NEW lenses. You will not be able to use any existing lenses you own for G6. All lenses on G6 GH5 are fully compatible and interchangeable between the two. S5 cannot use third party lenses with a speed-booster, only if the are L-mount or natively compatible. It's quite a downside of S5´s full-frame sensor, actually.

@@glasfactor Thank You so much. Best regards.

Welcome! I have G6 to and I love it. I bumped to GH5 exactly because I could share the lenses between both. Have in mind that GH5 is much bigger and heavier than G6 though too, same goes for S5. They are heavy and bulky, coming from G6 that is really really tiny for the specs it has, just have it in mind - I was kind of surprised how different they are. I love GH5 though for sure and is a leap ahead in terms of what it can do. It has unique features no other camera has that are not talked about. Like 4K cropping to name one. BTW i see you film “Bienen” (bees) is this the case? I made this summer pretty amazing honey bee gathering Nektar shots in my garden which I have not used which if you need I can forward you the video if you find a better use for - or I misunderstood...😊

Yeah the only real difference I noticed was at 12800 and nearly no one uses the camera at its highest ISO unless they have to.

Cos Panasonic cameras don't have autofocus in video. I manual focus faster and more accurately with less wobbles than DFD in video.

I didn’t notice too much of a difference from a general first impression, but we didn’t really test it specifically. That would be a good one to do once we get a final sample. Carl

@@ProAVTV thank you

I’m not as familiar with the G9 as it’s not as commonly used for video. But the stills from the S5 are great. I think the G9 has much faster stills FPS though. Carl

@@ProAVTV Thanks. That's good to know. I have a second question, with the G9 you can press and hold any button and assign any function to it (I don't know if you can do that with all Lumix cameras). Is that still possible with the S5? Can you test it or do you have a pre production model?

I am a G9 user as well. I love its ability to deliver high-quality photo and video. Even the S5 is tempting, I will stick to my two G9 because I have lovely manual-focus fast lenses for video: two T2.2 Cine Meikes and four 0.95 Noktons that are just wonderful. I don't feel the necessity of upgrading to ff because low-light filming is pretty seldom. In this case I can grab a Fujifilm X-T3 that will do the job. :-)