TY for sharing. More and more regular everyday people keep waking up on my home screen. It really feels like it's no longer the sole domain of dead indian gurus, or living famous ones. Really cool!
12.43..."..but nothing will lead you to liberation...because liberation is already this.....and it has always been this...." Thank you for your words! I offer you and the readers a Parable about this hidden truth. The Bird of Paradise Once upon a time Someone left his home, desperately looking for the Bird of Paradise. The last thing he said out loud before he left the house: "God, I want to find your Bird. Please help me find it." Someone entered the world and started a long journey. Someone had numerous adventures and met many people. Someone seeked everywhere and left nothing to chance to get what he was looking for. But the longing and the seeking eventually brought him deep into a forest without any clue to find the Bird.The harder he tried the more denser and desolate the forest became. He got lost. Time passed. He almost succumbed to thirst and hunger. One morning when he watched the sun burning high above the trees, he eventually realised the forest had become a labyrinth without any chance of escape ever. He looked into the sun until the rays were hurting his eyes. Suddenly the forestline broke. From a hill he watched over a vast field loaded with beautiful orange and yellow colored flowers. He stood still and watched. In the middle of the field he saw a house. He recognised his home which he left a long time ago. The flowery field was his own garden. He descended the hill and walked through, touching the fragrant flowers with his hand. A flock of parrots, fluttering and screeching, were passing overhead. After many years he entered his home again. He walked through his house and nothing seemed to have changed. Suddenly he heard a cracking voice behind him, repeating: "God, I want to find your Bird. Please help me find it...., God, I want to find your Bird. Please help me find it.....!". In the middle of the open window a beautiful green parrot, with red stripes on its sides, was nodding its yellow, blue head while talking to him. Someone finally found the Bird of Paradise. In his very own home. He felt at peace, at last. He realized that right from the start the garden, the flowers and the parrots had always been with him. But Something in Someone prevented him to see that. For a very, very long time.
Also did many disciplines and expensive seminars working on me. Came across Tony Parsons message of no me and it resonated , and it was free. No more expensive seminars and books to read .
I had a similar thing happen apparently. I was drawn to the I AM message, being awareness. And it absolutely helped the sense of Me, to become less neurotic. It gave the Me an ability to take things less personally. The Me definitely caused less suffering for itself with that message. When I first heard the uncompromising message, I remember feeling annoyed. I guess there was some sense of threat in the Me energy. But then I kept listening to that message and it slowly sunk in. The awareness message is really good for calming the Me.
Before I gave birth I listened to a lot of birth stories. They were comforting and informative. This experience of listening to stories of awakening reminds me of that period in my life (pregnancy..)
In the story here, there was a path as well: months of bliss, followed by years of listening to videos, even working with a "teacher" for 18 months (again all this in the story). There were a few subtle "shifts" & it was realized: there was never a 'me' in the first place, it was ALWAYS the indescribable nothingness appearing as that. But I can't say that there was a "dropping of the me" (even that is a story). Person-centered thoughts & emotions can still occur, and due to the mental health condition of this body, they may be quite volatile, but It's just known that they are happening to on one and it always resets to the indescribable nothing. Listening to videos still occurs, but with no more seeking to get anywhere.
Yeah when there was a natural giving up by no-one, there was still a love from no-where to hear this message even though I was really continuing on with life. And the 'me' really didn't care so much if it happened or not, I mean hope still arose and the mind automatically just get trying to understand but it was just so clear by that time that it couldn't get this. there's nothing to get.
@@suzanne-changThanks that helps! I realize that the me can't "get it" and fights on, but that's fine and there is no caring anymore really if something happens or not
Thank you for the wisdom of differentiating between the Spirituality and just what is happening. It could save so much running around! Also, I appreciate the way you talk calmly, slowly and honestly. I feel understood when I hear This by your sound.
Thanks Kara! There's no wisdom here. There's literally nothing here and speaking happens all on it's own from no-where. But I get what you mean, appreciate it! :)
@@suzanne-chang Thank you, Suzanne, I have this question to ask and it would wipe out my belief about the body health. The science tells us that eating sugar, flour such as high Carbohydrate foods will make us sick and get fat, is this true or it is just another brain washing scheme. I spent so much money eating organic food and avoiding sugar. If there is no one, no body, what is the point of trying to be healthy? I love the Nothing message endlessly and you are doing a great job!!!!
@@karapeavey5400 'Eating healthy' apparently still happens here because of conditioning and habit. There's relative truth that there are certain things that seemingly make the body unhealthy or healthier. The body is real and unreal. It's total nothing-ness appearing as this form that we call a 'human body.' it's simultaneously real and unreal. Everything is empty fullness all at once. This message is not for the person. The person will try to apply this, which is fine, but this is talking to no-one.
I understand exactly what you mean. I have nowhere to go. Nothing to feel nothing to seek. Nothing to understand! I just want to ( be) non existent. To be more like wind.
I felt a strong sense of resonance when hearing you saying those words just then, it's not about those words nor the meaning of the words, it's a sense!
Thanks for sharing. I go back and forth between days or weeks of normal heavy life, and days or weeks in a state of fuzzy lightness in body and mind without the heavy burden of past and future. During the the heavy state, I am immersed. During the light state, I observe silence, with occasional feelings and thoughts coming and going. >At this point
Maybe all these teachers and sages have realized this (that the I AM is still a concept, the first thought or the beginning of the dream) but still the body mind is appearing to help "others" inside the dream. Teaching the I AM state or All is Consciousness model is the "best" that the body can apparently do, so this does not mean that "they" did not get "it". What the body seemingly does is not necessary a conviction regarding non-dual realization. Moreover, abiding in Awareness seems to loosen the tight energy that consist the "me". Again, I understand that this is only a story and there is no free will regarding the outcome, but why not an apparent character have the feeling of a pleasant story instead for a dreadful one? It does not matter i an absolute "level" but as human beings we are still operating in the human "level" as well...
Hanging to your every word. Suzanne, keep going. I have been feeling that many spiritual teachers & gurus, still teach from a sense of separation, at a mind level. Thus prolonging the contextual understanding without experiencing. But u have made me go a bit deeper & I feel this is what I was looking for. I have read many books which I find point to the same thing. The "what is here now". Very few have said what u say, "there is nobody her." Have not grasped that. But then u say there is nobody to grasp. Then am waiting for a break thru. But then u will say "there is nobody to wait". What to do? Nothing.
Waiting for a break-through is already liberation appearing as that. That won't get you any closer or further away from already this. That's just what's happening, for no-one
but still, the self-inquiry and all those teaching helped you to realize that there is nothing to realize, so they are not that useless. Its a bit arrogant to say, that ''they are useless'', just because you already used them and just don't need them any more
It seems really real in the story that it was helpful and that it led to something else. but it's so clearly seen now by no-one that it was all an illusion and since time never really was, cause and effect looses all realness too. But if wanting to do self-inquiry happens then that's already liberation appearing as that. Nothing right or wrong with it. Not encouraging or discouraging anything because there are no conditions here.
You can’t get it by thinking about it because there is no you. totally this has been heard by the me. I’ve tried thinking about it every which way but it cannot be got. So I fully know I can’t get it but still the feeling of a real me is here. It’s the most frustrating place to be. There is always a feeling of a location in the body. It’s said that it’s an energetic shift that is not even real. So no idea what that is. There is just no where to go but still the feeling of contraction is here. It sucks. Just continue on with life till there is no caring about anything. Even that is not going to help. The truth of there being no me makes sense. But the death while alive still hasn’t happened. So urgh! I’ve felt that food poisoning feeling for years. But still here I am addicted to pleasure and trying to avoid pain.
Oh the caring will continue as long as it does. No one is caring or not caring. No one is seeking or not seeking, it's all just happening. There is absolutely no hope whatsoever because this is already everything, ALREADY! I understand the frustration, but that too is already perfection, ALREADY!!! The 'me' cannot stop itself, utterly hopeless. There's no problem with wanting pleasure and avoiding pain, totally natural for the 'me' (will get into it more in next vid) That too is all just happening.
I am having trouble putting thoughts into words here. Last night I had a taste of what you talked about here. I was pondering on the idea that that there is no one here in the body. Then I came upon one of your videos where you said that that "I am" is also a thought. I had had this doubt in me too after hearing that Ramana Maharishi also asked to drop this concept. Then I woke in the middle of the night terrified with all my fears resurfacing and yes, I had this nauseating feeling in my stomach as I felt that now I cannot hold on to anything. I felt extremely mad at all the spiritual teachers. Today woke up wanting to vomit and then listened to this video. Well, that's it then. I am thinking that as I remind myself from now on that there is no me and the I am presence is fake, I will have more of this dreads. There is nothing else yet something in me wants to push through. Thank you
That's beautiful. All just what's happening. But yeah it can be disconcerting... it's all this chaotic perfection that's already the case and has always been the case. 'I am' or the 'me' sense is an energetic body sense that seems to confirm the thoughts. Thoughts are not a problem and also the 'me' sense is not a problem. It's all this utter meaningless, full-on perfection. A mysterious and beautiful play.
Hey Gugle, it's not really a lie. It's apparently real in the dream. The sense of 'me' seems to be aware. But it's a part of the illusion, part of duality, subject and object, which is also just this appearing separate. Nothing right or wrong with it.
For me the mind realised it could do nothing.....collapsed. I had complete liberation.....but the mind quickly regenerated the story and fitted liberation into it.....the conceptual mind will do that.
Yeah for sure... I think that the conceptual 'mind' was still here for a bit and it took apparent time for no-one to really see that there was no cause to this mysterious and unknown happening that never really happened.
@@suzanne-chang In the end there's only seeing without a witness. Who or what sees remains a mystery. And 'that' what sees is unbeknownst of itself since there's no self to be seen. A grand cosmic joke it is.
I notice a strong desire in me to communicate this "truth" of nonduality, nonfreewill, the illusion of the sellf etc. to others. I suppose that this represents a need that I have for connection, a view that this "truth" represents relief from suffering for myself and others, and most likely a projection onto others of the extent to which the "I" still doesn't "get it". I may yet communicate, if that's even possible, my views on these matters, but only when the other person is ready. How frustrating to be alone with these realisations and for so long! :)
Yeah that's all just happening. The identification and the meddling is all the 'me' trying to get a better something, but that is already perfection arising as that.
@@suzanne-chang It's hard to see the problematic me as perfection arising, but then there is an identification with whatever is calling it problematic, that is also perfection arising?
@@wagneric222 yup everything is perfection. The 'me' can't get this. It's natural for the 'me' to want something better, it says 'this is not it.' It is resistance to what is. And the 'me' wants to know the absence of itself which can never happen. This is an energetic message that is not speaking to the 'me.'
@@suzanne-chang In typing this, I feel tightness. A story arises: it’s social anxiety, ocd, low confidence, and there’s a typo in my first comment. The tightness continues; there is a literal energy flow I can feel. The ‘me’ seems like a learned response, but saying that adds a layer, and this is where understanding falls apart. It’s weird to feel like you have to “let” something be perfect, as if something is in control. My Zen-ish teacher would say ego wants to attend its own funeral. 😀
Because the one who is conducting inquires believe that there exist an "I" so the inquiries on "I" is designed for that seeker, however, there is no real "I". This is a thought. Indeed, there exist no universe or body as well since the existence depends on the tools ( the senses). On the other hand, the tools do not exist without the thoughts{ What is an image without a thought there to say sth about it? All senses are working the same way they are there because of the ideas . they do not exist without the conditioning} And thoughts are just believes . The word REAlITY just like the word "I" refers to an illusion -a thought. The sieges are aware of this but there is no other way and there is no way at all!
You often speak of things being real or unreal as if there are only colors of black or white. But reality is shades of grey. In fact, nothing is completely real. Somethings are more real than other things and this is the journey of becoming. We are moving towards what is more real or we are moving towards habit, conditioning, the unreal. It’s kinda like transitioning between being a real player vrs being a NPC player. Are we experiencing our own stories or are we just playing the role of an NPC character in someone else’s story. I know you are focused here on there being “no me” and there is a lot of truth to that but “you” haven’t disappeared have you? I can still see your edges. You still have thoughts that come out as words. I have come to understand that there is a lower self and a higher self. Death to the lower self is the path I follow. The higher self appears as silent stillness to my lower self so I can’t say much of anything about my higher self, it would be like trying to bite my tooth with my teeth but I do not disappear after my lower half dies, in fact I become more real.
unconditional love? What is love? Love is another story. To be more precise, when you love someone, you separate yourself from another one an say I love her. So obviously they are just concepts
Suzanne, did you become “aware” and look into “no self” before the initial awakening, or is it more helpful to shelf this investigation until after the initial identify shift?
There is no point to anything. That’s the liberation. Purpose only exists within the story of an illusory separate person looking for purpose; it’s not real.
Oh yes, everything is already liberation. Utterly everything. There is no separation whatsoever. The sense of 'I am' is the illusory effect that there is separation. Nothing right or wrong with that. All utter wholeness and perfection
@@socrates8495 Sure the person can do whatever practices it wants. But already there is no-one, no person doing the practices. The practices are just being done, or just happening. The 'me' can apparently 'experience liberation' or glimpses but that's all in the illusion. Nothing wrong or right with that. That's all a part of this wholeness already.
I understand that everything we see and experience is an illusion including the body, but I can’t see to get a answer this one question is there anything called a higher power, or I Am or God. I think that’s the one thing I need clarity.
🙂 It's more like Nothing appearing as the apparent you (an illusion) apparently asking the one question "you" can't seem to get an answer to. The you (which has needs as an apparent characteristic) is an illusion. There is No one that needs clarity. There is no answer to get and there is no one to receive it. No one even asked the question if there is a higher power, I Am or God. That is what is apparently happening.
