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This is possibly THE ONLY mini documentary on the incident which I have seen where the exact functioning of the flawed latching mechanism has been carefully shown via the animation. Besides of-course also referencing previous similar incidents where such issues cropped up. Your summary started with the excellent example of flight PA-125 on March 10, 1987. These are small things, but in being an effective story Teller and better helping the audience understand the gravity of the 'situation'.. such scripting is REALLY needed. . Thank you soooo much for what you and your team do. Much as I really love your narration style and the production quality of your videos (and relevant onscreen animations) I feel miserable that currently I am in a phase of life where my family commitments restrict me from monetarily contributing to your efforts. I hope to be able to recover in life, where I too can contribute financially. . As for this anguish and anger filled incidents reasoning.. it fills us with helplessness. Imagine the U.S. of A being or claiming to be at the cutting edge of technologies or respecting human rights. And yet, the corporate greed and cunningness of the powers that be.. can convert the alleged regulators into being mere puppets and toothless paper tigers. . If these FLAWED 747s aren't proof enough, then even in recent years.. the regulators there (in U.S. of A) conveniently played ball to the lobbying (= bribing) corporates. . And products, vehicles, aircraft unfit to be in service too got approved or certified. . It fills on with disgust that the unashamed (sort of) cover-up by the American (U.S.) authorities would have succeeded and such things continued further.. ..had Mrs. Susan Campbell and Mr. Kevin Campbell not shown the grit, determination in fighting the system and uncovering the cover up ... to expose the reality. . And all that the investigative agencies in the U.S. of A responded with.. was... a half hearted "oops sorry"!
@@sailaab there is no team they research , write, video , edit all the production themselves it’s a one person team that’s how hard this person works to provide content for others
Don't forget, the recent Max-8 debacle is almost completely down to economics. 1) Boeing wanted to make the plane bigger without changing too much of the design so they put in an additional controller that pushed the nose of the plane to compensate. 2) Boeing and airlines didn't want to invest in training so nobody was informed of this controller. 3) Boeing rammed the approval through the FAA without proper inspection. I would assume at least some bribes were given. It's sad how people can know a problem exists, know it can lead to possibly a lot of death and almost certain condemnation by the entire world if/when an incident happens and still choose to ignore it for $$$.
The story about the nz parents is actually worth exploring. The father went to the trouble of machining a model of the locking mechanism to prove his hypothesis.
@@BenoitRAG3 what happened afterwards is just as important as the incident. The deliberate coverup by Boeing & FAA. The intense amount of effort & $$$ spent by the Campbell’s to right this cover-up. It’s an entire story on its own.
I've watched a video about those NZ parents. Apparently they were somewhat relieved by the fact that they knew their son was sucked into the engine and died instantly, rather than falling 20000 feet. Heartwrenching.
Well im not sure if this would be better or not but the 9 passengers would've most likely been knocked unconscious almost instantly due to the extreme forces placed on them aswell as the lack of oxygen.
In remembrance to the victims: Susan Craig, 41 Harry Craig, 42 Rose Madeline Harley, 68 Anthony Fallon, 49 Barbara Fallon, 48 Mary Theress Weiner Handley, 61 Lee Geoffrey Campbell, 24 John Michael Crawford John Swann
When people say "Boeing was a great company before they acquired MD in 1997, and cared so much about safety", I want to point them to this accident and say "They haven't been perfect pre-1997". They knew about the risks of their 747 cargo doors since the DC-10 accidents, and knew that the doors could be opened without human intervention since at least 1987. Yet it took an accident in 1989 for them to see that yes, this is deadly. Even then, they tried to cover up the cause and blame the ground staff (who were pushed under the bus) until the Campbells put the evidence directly in front of the NTSB's face (and another incident while a 747 was having short circuit problems in maintenance, and the door opened by itself). I want to say that this accident single-handedly changed the way the NTSB investigated accidents on Boeing aircraft. Before, they seemed to take Boeing's word as THE conclusion. When the 737 rudder hardover accidents happened, they could've said that it was pilot error, especially on the second accident, where it seemed like the first officer was pushing hard on the wrong rudder pedal (which Boeing tried to push that that was the cause). However, they did as many tests as they could, the Eastwind incident's captain provided valuable information, and eventually managed to replicate the hardover in test conditions, proving to Boeing that they needed to fix their planes. I don't know if that would've happened if the Campbell's didn't pushed their investigation onto the NTSB.
sure there were issues pre 1997 but the company as a whole was run by engineers who tried to learn from mistakes and implement improvements. As was mentioned, Boeing did offer the fix yet it was up to airlines to implement. I'd attribute more blame to United for not implementing the fix. United is my favorite airline, btw, for their safety record and excellent emphasis on pilot training - they too suffered from beancounters just as Boeing has since 1997. This is what people are referring to not that there weren't accidents.
@@asdf3568 Yup, this was the FAA's failing as much as Boeing and the airlines. They're supposed to regulate aviation safety, yet they routinely let stuff go until the next C or D check. They have a conflict of interest because they're also charged with promoting aviation in the US, so they're very cozy with Boeing and the airlines.
Well the NTSB reps did say they had handouts for people AND they said anyone who wants to, can come up and take what is left at the table. So they slyly took advantage of the vague offer to "acquire" the boxes 😏
I remember learning about this latch design in my engineering ethics course. Usually things like this can always be traced back to business decisions made in management for the sake of money, and not safety.
At 22k feet, it would've been cold and short on oxygen. They probably would have been hypoxic within a dozen seconds and thus falling unconscious before they could hit the water.
@@lunayoshi you can survive a lot longer without oxygen if you get enough adrenalin and that definently would have caused a lot of adrenalin to be released, not to mention hypoxia can take a few minutes to set in and it's possible they may have been conscious, still it's not the worst way to go at least it's quick
@@almightysamwhich4203 there was a case like that, the flight attendent lady that survived another crash and was blown out and fell. She couldnt tell about that as she went unconscious during the accident and fall. She was also not afraid to fly after. The highest fall ever survived
@@dreamthedream8929 yeah but she was barely alive when they got to her and she was only alive because she landed in the snow and was lodged behind a flight attendant cart
Yup, and they made sure they went out of their way to make sure we all knew about it too. They are well compensated heroes. Kudos to Chloe for not jumping on that low-hanging fruit.
Can you do a video on TWA Flight 529? At 78 deaths, *this was, for a time, the deadliest single-plane accident in United States History.* It was a plane crash September 1, 1961. Shortly after take off, pilots suffered a sudden lose of elevator control, which caused an uncommanded pitch up, until the plane eventually stalled and crashed back into the ground. The cause was the loss of a single bolt, measuring 5/16 inch, which had fallen out of the elevator control mechanism.
I wonder what the comparison is between loss of income, in order to rectify this design flaw and compensation to passengers. Then there is loss of income because some passengers may not fly due to this problem not being addressed.
This is possibly THE ONLY mini documentary on the incident which I have seen where the exact functioning of the flawed latching mechanism has been carefully shown via the animation. Besides of-course also referencing previous similar incidents where such issues cropped up. Your summary started with the excellent example of flight PA-125 on March 10, 1987. These are small things, but in being an effective story Teller and better helping the audience understand the gravity of the 'situation'.. such scripting is REALLY needed. . Thank you soooo much for what you and your team do. Much as I really love your narration style and the production quality of your videos (and relevant onscreen animations) I feel miserable that currently I am in a phase of life where my family commitments restrict me from monetarily contributing to your efforts. I hope to be able to recover in life, where I too can contribute financially. . As for this anguish and anger filled incidents reasoning.. it fills us with helplessness. Imagine the U.S. of A being or claiming to be at the cutting edge of technologies or respecting human rights. And yet, the corporate greed and cunningness of the powers that be.. can convert the alleged regulators into being mere puppets and toothless paper tigers. . If these FLAWED 747s aren't proof enough, then even in recent years.. the regulators there (in U.S. of A) conveniently played ball to the lobbying (= bribing) corporates. . And products, vehicles, aircraft unfit to be in service too got approved or certified. . It fills on with disgust that the unashamed (sort of) cover-up by the American (U.S.) authorities would have succeeded and such things continued further.. ..had Mrs. Susan Campbell and Mr. Kevin Campbell not shown the grit, determination in fighting the system and uncovering the cover up ... to expose the reality. . And all that the investigative agencies in the U.S. of A responded with.. was... a half hearted "oops sorry"!
You should do a disaster breakdown on the infamous incident in the 1980s when the crew of a TA flight are incapacitated by food poisoning and a passenger by the name of Ted Striker had to take control and land the plane.
A suggestion for a future video would be Saudi Flight 163, Lockheed L1011 Tristar accident that killed everyone although the plane safely landed on the runway. On the weirdest and most intriguing accident I know about so far
At least they met a quick demise. As we know from Vesna's "flight", a pax in a seat module may have enough drag to reduce terminal velocity to within survivable limits. We will never know as the aluminum of the seats and attached pieces of racking would have made them sink like a stone, but it's *probable* given the fpm of the descent and the fact their SaO2 would have been at 99% immediately prior that they were conscious for at least part, if not all of the journey. One can only hope that they were either in shock or mortally and instantly wounded by the ejection as a result of collision with debris etc as the ride down sounds like a horror movie.
@@manyshnooks the shock of ejection at 20000 feet at roughly 400 mph would already have you short of breath. you would pass out before getting to breathable oxygen. No way they were concious more then 10-15 seconds.
@@BenoitRAG3 That's comforting, at least. Ever since I heard of this accident, I wondered what exactly those passengers went through. A dozen seconds of cold, windy freefall before unconsciousness isn't as bad as what I was imagining.
When they say remains... I'm not sure how they can tell it was just one. I've seen photos of what that looks like. The body is liquefied. It's happened a number of times on the ground when people carelessly walked in front of engines that were running.
im always wondering how the pilots from the first part of the trip have to fell… imagine the plane you flew hours earlier is just involved in something like that only a short time after you flew
Hi Chloe, not sure if you will read this or not. In case you do, Thank You for being one of the few people to describe fuselage breech/cabin decompression as being 'blown out' and ‘ejected' vs the often cited completely erroneous description of contents/occupants being 'sucked out'! Even some pilots producing these aviation accident reviews who know better will incorrectly state sucked instead of ejected or blown out. I have been on onboard manager for many years in addition to aviation safety educator/check and training line endorser, along with tertiary post grad studies in commercial aviation flight safety. You mentioned the configuration of this UAL B747-200 was Economy with First in the nose or A Zone and Business Class on the upper deck, then that there was a seating variation of 2-4-2. That is also Business Class, the cabin that suffered the fuselage breech directly above the forward cargo door is B Zone, located between Doors 1 and Doors 2. Also just a bit of trivia, if you’re interested; back in the late 70s to early 90s Business Class was the equivalent of what Premium Economy is today with a wider seat**, better leg room but no full leg rest initially, and certainly no lie flat seats, the recline was only 2-3 times more than economy!, larger portions and better quality food and beverages. The early to mid 90s saw to greater improvements in both hard and soft product we are more familiar with today, the introduction of fully flatbed and lie flat seats now rival what we offered even in First in the 90s to 00s-10s! ** the early to mid 80s on many airlines the seat was just a regular economy seat with slightly better legroom and maybe the middle seat in triplets was blocked with an insert to create a work space/cocktail table. How things have changes.
United called this seating arrangement you described their: Royal Pacific service. I found a seat map that matched Chloe’s description and interior photos of flight 811’s business class cabin. It sat 390 passengers, with lower deck business class in a 2-4-2 configuration like a DC-10. The seat map however did not specify whether it was for 747-100s or 200s, but I assume it was for both types that flew across the pacific. A second seat map for the 747-100 showed a 450 seat capacity with business class being replaced with a 3-4-3 economy configuration but that couldn’t be it given the layout of flight 811.
Sucked out and one in the engine… how horrific… so incredible that the flight crew managed to land safely and save the rest of their passengers. What heroes
I'm not sure if your taking video suggestions, but I'd love to see a video on Trans International Airlines 863. I only see one video on the topic, and I think the cause is interesting
Quite the opposite. He advocated to raise the mandatory retirement age of commercial pilots, because he claimed that a captain with less experience than him would have much more trouble landing that plane safely. The retirement age is now 65
What's up with Hawaii and people getting sucked out of planes? This wasn't the only time it happened. There was that Aloha flight when the roof blew off.
are there any benefits in having an outward opening door over an inward opening one? idk anything about planes it just instincually feels like a more secure and easier design than an outward opening door so I'm curious why an airplane would be designed with one
Packing space. They can fit more stuff inside if they don't have to leave door clearance. When the door opens out, they can stuff (a little bit) more cargo (read: $$$$) in that space
Another day, another case of Boeing cutting costs (they should have ordered an IMMEDIATE grounding and emergency replacement of all 747 baggag door locks) and passing the responsibility of their poor design choices to the airlines, resulting in *death and destruction...* 🙄
How did the plane not disintegrate mid air at such high altitude? I would think a hole that large in the fuselage would severely compromise the structural integrity of the airplane.
Oh that plane was solid! What brings planes down with cargo door blowouts is loss of hydraulics and electrical issues, and the severed door colliding with wings, tailplanes, control surfaces, or engines. Check out Aloha Airlines Flight 243 if you want to see how badly you can rip apart a jet and still land it.
It's a damn miracle how this plane landed at all?, but those poor 9 lives lost :( Awesome piloting for sure, but 'money' was to blame, as ever, as they well knew about this problem beforehand.
Retirement age pilots are often the best of the best. Sully Sullenberger was close to retirement age. It's kinda sick that we chuck them out at their prime.
The NZ parents did the right thing by releasing the info (after literally yoinking it). Knowing the truth about these situations not only helps prevent it from happening to anyone else in the future, but also to give the families closure and, most importantly in my opinion, showing respect for the dead. That is why accidents where it was an engineering/maintenance failure and not pilot failure piss me off so much because of the disrespect of the dead (but also the endangerment of the living in order to make more money). I think the NZ parents had the same mentality as me, where they viewed the cover up by the NTSB and Boeing as disrespect of their son and that their son will truly be able to rest once the world knows the truth. The NZ parents really loved their son that they risked going to prison so he could be at peace (assuming the parents have the same sort of mentality as me).
Another long-term victim of this tragedy was that of the ground handler who last closed the cargo door. Of course, Boeing--wrongly-- initially attributed the accident to mishandling by ground crew. 18 months later, the cargo door, in two sections, was recovered from 14,100ft deep. Further investigation proved the ground handler was innocent, as the fault lay in problems with wiring and poor design. I was stationed on Oahu twice, and I knew the nice man who last closed that door. For 18 months after the accident, he was blamed for it. Though he knew he closed the door correctly, he couldn't escape the blame placed upon him. Even after he was exonerated, he suffered emotionally, even when I knew him fourteen years later.
This is an example of why the BEST pilots matter, not DEI hiring. God help passengers when they are at the mercy of DEI hires and something like this happens and their lives depend on the pilots to make good decisions.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:1-3)
@@PixelTrain1 this one, to me felt... you know what, that was a bit harsh. I been in a mood, and I've been a right knobhead, seriously. I can't believe I said that. Even if I felt that, I don't usually reply with , dumb stuff like that. C'mon Jose, what's wrong with you. Thanks for bringing my stupidity, to my attention. My bad.
