Unknowingly Flying Upside Down (Copa Flight 201) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN 

Its Okay Dude We All Make Mistakes But Its still an amazing video as always

might wanna fix the title real quick, currently says "BREKADOWN"

I plan to release a RU-vid video highlighting all your messed up “mistakes”. I am editing the 4 hour video as we speak

@@PetraKann oof

@@PetraKann be quiet. It’s not like you haven’t made mistakes.

That's probably because the more time you spent flying, the highter the chances of crashing becomes. Some form of bias

Well, make sure to avoid Manx2 if you don't want to land upside down ;)

@@feelsimprovedman2188 I hear you. Makes sense.

Well a reason in a lotta crashes is also inexperience

@@titan4110 No doubt.

I know! The smallest bit of turbulence which, if I felt on a lake or a road wouldn't even register to me, in airplane I just feel it so strongly if I were falling out of the sky. So I mean I guess I'm super sensitive to it which is just from anxiety, but when I hear about stories in which airplane is diving towards the ground but the pilots feel like they're flying level, I just don't get it! I mean I understand why but it's just unbelievable how that can happen.

@@toddabowden mentourpilot channel talks about how and why this can happen and why our body can feel like things are normal when they're not,look for his video about a hanging pendulum in the cockpit (and why this doesn't work)

But you can't tell which way it's going, Pilots were being told the plane was rolling left, which would feel indistinguishable from the plane rolling right which is what was actually happening. pilots are trained to ignore these forces as they are highly misleading for example pitching up/down feels identical to acceleration/deceleration. Reacting to these ambiguous forces has caused many plane crashes. Also, I guarantee you that there are some attitude changes you did not feel as they were too smooth. If the pilot handling is a bit rough you'll feel it but if it's nice and gentle you can look out the window and be surprised to see the ground as the aircraft is banked over 30 degrees and felt nothing.

Just be glad they switched to flashing strobe lights instead of the old-fashioned "rotating gumball" variety. Want to confuse a pilot in clouds or snow? Sweep a searchlight through it the same direction again and again and again!

Me too. But then I HATE flying and assume each flight will be my last...

If you can find it, please update this. That sounds extremely interesting!

Fluffy - i THINK this is the one you mean... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qf_Uz2UmUSM.html

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qf_Uz2UmUSM.html this is it, the moment they spot it is at 49:10 👍👍

@@uzaiyaro Found it! Actually an American PBS documentary called 'Mysterious crash of flight 201'. It takes one through the whole investigation process. It's available on the Internet Archive and is, I felt, absolutely fascinating.

Do you still have it and if you mind sendimg it to me?

​@@G_PTYNicolasCMPSicko

You're not "traumatized for weeks". A trauma is a permanent psychological condition if it goes untreated. Maybe he was under shock. That fades. Trauma does not. Trust me, I know what I am talking about. My partner is receiving treatment for multiple trauma. Trauma is what my grandpa suffered in World War II and it made him wake up screaming every other night in a cold sweat until his death 40 years after the end of the war. THAT is trauma.

@@veganbutcherhackepeter i have just seen 2 pics of the wreck and im just curious man

Hyper tension isn't what they say it is.

Legit she's my favorite aviation channel and just one of my favorite content creators in general currently. Her content is always so well done and in depth while still being understandable to audiences who may not be as knowledgeable about aviation.

wait this has blown my mind has the voice been text too speech the whole time?

Nope, it's all her! You can get a look and listen at the lady behind the scenes on her personal/music channel in the description.

@@thewtclshow9573 she's trans

@Melon Husk Please don't mock. She's a lovely person doing no harm to anyone, just living her life.

Not ideal, but I've heard of people using a bullseye level as a backup. It's better than nothing.

Question: what about a bottle of water ?

@@maxfullerton5228 Same thing. When the acceleration vector goes straight through the bottom of the plane ("down" for people sitting in the plane), it doesn't matter which way the ground is. Water will stay in glasses, pendulums will not swing (any more than they otherwise would), and people will be able to walk in the aisles. If you have ever taken a small bucket full of water and swung it in a circle about you, you'll have noticed that the water doesn't spill out, even if you swing it up and over your head. Conversely, if your acceleration vector goes some other direction, for instance in a car on a curve, all those things mentioned above will take the new net acceleration vector as "down". So water will spill out of cups if you turn too sharply in a car. This effect can also be seen in NASA's "Vomit Comet", where they put the plane into a ballistic curve to get a net acceleration of 0, otherwise known as weightlessness. In that situation, water will float around the cabin (in blobs, because of surface tension) even when the ground is still below the bottom of the plane.

@@dougsundseth6904 Thank you

Absolutely - See the video of test pilot Bob Hoover, flying a barrel roll one handed, while pouring a jug of iced tea into a glass with his other hand. A spirit level would obviously remain level throughout the entire barrel roll! Thus, a spirit level is utterly useless as a horizon reference. (As, like the tea in his glass, the spirit level would remain centred throughout the barrel roll, even at 90° bank or fully inverted). The narrator may be thinking of the turn & slip indicator used in some non-instument aircraft. That uses a gyro in a spring loaded, single axis gimble to indicate the rate of turn in the yaw axis and a spirit level to indicate turn coordination (slipping sideways in the turn). The spirit level is in no way a horizon reference, except when the aircraft is stationary on the ground! I believe some people say they can fly in IMC with a turn & slip indicator, altimeter, & airspeed indicator. I'm not sure if that's really possible but in any case they are not using the spirit level as a horizon reference.

I had to spend some time, retexturing a livery in the flight simulator to get the one for this video. If I can help it I always try and track down the correct livery

@@DisasterBreakdown yeah, i remembered you posting a picture of a Gulf A320 on Community posts, you still on that

@@senabecool7232 Yeah I'm still looking out for it. I occasionally check the X-plane forums to see if anyone made it. I am not talented enough at texturing to create such a complex livery and do it well.

RU-vid has finally surpassed Air Crash Investigation.

One thing that is quite infuriating about ACI is 1, unnecessary drama and 2, horrible and misleading crash animations and some are just completely wrong like Pan Am 103

@@user-e-idk not sure about 2, but 1 surely holds up, ACI does look more like a soap opera sometimes, hugely dramatized

@@ConcordeError404 sometimes they use wrong liveries like this plane crash, use wrong planes in the CGI like Korean 801, and just used wrong information like calling an MD-80 a DC-9 in SAS 751. The Pan Am disaster was shown teared to 4-5 big pieces but in real life only the front section broke (similar to TWA 800)

*coughs in SFD

god i love that show if anyone wants to watch it, the “Wonder” youtube’s channel uploads full episodes without ads for free

Are you still here?

@@aperturelabs8552 I am but the flight was delayed several hours. We lost an entire day .

or for a fun one, look up dutch metro saved by whale 2020

@@dontspikemydrink9382 omg I remember seeing that in the news!!!! It was so lucky that the whale was there

Thanks so much for watching! I'll be sure to start looking at another Train video soon.

@@DisasterBreakdown OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH

@@DisasterBreakdown U should do the crazy 8 story

@@DisasterBreakdown i already asked on twtitter but i have a request for disaster averted. In 2020 a dutch metro derailed but was saved by a whale.

Allec joshua ibay is number 1.

I agree with you, Marie.

Disaster Breakdown is my favorite for sure. Professional quality presentation every time. I also like Airspace.

Wow! You must have been living on the outer space or something because every one (Panamanians) knew/know about this accident, I was a little kid when it happened I remember watching it on the news in Panama.

@@juanvictoria610 muchos de los mas jovenes no conocen sobre este pedazo de nuestra historia. Yo solo se de esto porque un tio mio estaba en la PTJ(actual DIJ) en ese tiempo, y fue parte del equipo de busqueda.

🤔👍

The fact that they didn't use the standby ADI puzzles me; it's right there in front of them and as they were struggling to -- in their minds -- level the plane before they rolled it upside they would have clearly seen it displaying the correct position of their aircraft. My theory is that because the pilots believed that the Captain's ADI was on an Auxiliary Gyro then what they were seeing on their ADIs was correct and the standby ADI was inoperative. Without the CVR we'll never know.

I agree, the standby ADI is powered straight from the battery bus. I worked as a mechanic on 737-200s back in the day for the Airlines. I remember on occasions when the aircraft arrived at the gate with a bad ADI, the pilots knew which one was malfunctioning. I know regarding the Copa 737, they were flying at night in pitch darkness with no ground reference. The standby ADI was there for them.

It's easy to say as such sitting in your sofa, trying to figure it out in the heat of the moment at 25000ft is a whole other issue. Plus the standby ADI is _tiny_ in a hurried panic it'll be very easy to miss it and just focus on the big main instruments.

@@farhanatashiga3721 It's ashamed that the 737 they were flying had a different ADI switching system than the one they were trained on in the simulator. The Airline should have standardized the fleet before the accident. With all that said, yes the standby ADI is small but it is there for a reason, when all else fails, you can count on it.

@@70slandshark47 I asked this question to a former British Airways Captain who has flown everything up to the 747 including the 737, DC-10, A320, but not the Concorde. He told me that was the old procedure of dealing with Vertical Gyro failures and Copa’s procedure was perhaps a newer way. The plane was owned by Britannia Airways until 2 months before the crash and my guess is that Britannia was still using the old procedure and when it was acquired by Copa they still had yet to modify the Vertical Gyro switches on this plane.

Wow.

Brings back memories - my first ever flight was on Brittania (on their previous livery, but a 737-200), then flew with them multiple times on other planes with that livery (esp 757s later). They were quite good for a holiday charter airline.

What you are feeling is movement. And because you know what way your meant to be facing you can Guage what way you are going. But your body is only feeling movement. If you close your eyes on a plane you won't know what way it's moving.

@@brotakig1531 I'm confused, shouldn't it be easy to tell if your banking to far left or right with how your body reacts? Even if in complete darkness one should know if there in an upright position.

Centrifugal or centripetal force can feel like and be confused with gravity when no other reference is present.

@@lyfe8349 Nope, our brains are terrible with balance and stability without visual input. Find a big field, blindfold yourself and try to walk straight across it. You WILL walk in big circles and not even feel it. When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.

It's called spital disorientation. Put it simple, our sensation will betray you when you flying, especially in the night or bad weather. Instrument flying is the main way to combat it. When instrument failure or in worse case, untrustworthy due to blockage, this is the results

It wasn't an Avianca plane. Avianca hasn't had a single aviation disaster in Panamá. Lots of love from a Colombian brother 🇨🇴🤝🇵🇦

Ningun avion de Avianca se ha accidentado en territorio panameño. Sera que estas pensando en el helicoptero SAN-100?

gravity only works in a static environment. if you are accelerating (like when turning or banking) your liquid horizon wont work

@Ari identifies

@@ImperialDiecast More than identifies, transitioned.

Spatial disorientation and centrifugal force

@@ey7290 That does sound reasonable.

You fall asleep at the wheel for one sec and crash into a schoolbus....mistakes are so often banal. People find that difficult to accept apparently which is why conspiracy theories exist.

In a situation like that, where you're in the dark with failed instruments, its very easy for spatial disorientation to occur. The sensations your body feels may not be accurate, especially without a reference

I commented on a similar question: Our brains are terrible with balance and stability without visual input. Find a big field, blindfold yourself and try to walk straight across it. You WILL walk in big circles and not even feel it. When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.

I'm from the United States, State of Georgia, but I spend a lot of my time in Guatemala because my wife is down here still due to immigration issues. Got to love government! But it gives me a chance to be in Central America which I absolutely love. I really want to get down to Panama as soon as I can one day, and of course Copa airlines would be the airline I would take to get there. They've got Central America pretty locked down, although my flight from Atlanta Georgia to Guatemala La Aurora is a Delta 757-200 every time. But I mean it's Atlanta Georgia so, everything is Delta except for a few that are Southwest! Although in reality ig is such a busy airport that we get airlines from all over the world and every company.

Lol I think identify with this so much which is why I no longer bank with traditional banks. They suck.

Do they still currently operate Embraer? I really like the Embraer aircraft overall. But here in Guatemala where I'm currently at, the aircraft that usually goes between here and Panama is a 737-800 I believe. It's some model of 737 new generation, 7/8/900. But I think -800. I'll look up their fleet and see what else they fly, that'd be interesting.

@@toddabowden not anymore. Retired during or before the pandemic. The fleet now is mostly 737NG and Max variants

When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.

@@mattd6085 Aha! Now that makes sense.

flying is very safe, these freak accidents are like saying that you won't buy a lottery ticket because you might win

Flying is one of the most unsafe ways of travel today,if the pilots are not drunk, no bugs in pieto tube,bird strike....etc.as safe as driving,not really.ill believe that when a car wreck kills 200 plus people,and scatters wreckage over a vast area.You are ignorant if you think flying is safe.Just within last month,suicidal pilot crashed a plane in china.I guess that is safe to you.👎😎

And broken wires

Thanks for pointing that out, I cannot believed I missed that!

No problem, also I have a request 1998 ariana afghan boeing 727 crash

@@birgenair301 Yeah I'll look into it. Just looked it up, never heard of it, could be interesting.

@@DisasterBreakdown Thx

@@DisasterBreakdown Do you think it's known enough for an episode?

Spatial disorientation and centrifugal force. As for the liquid device, it simply doesn’t work. Such a device could not distinguish between straight and level flight and an upside down 1g dive. Also turbulence is a thing. Edit: Those devices works by effect of gravity. On aircraft, it will only work if it is going at constant velocity and altitude. Any changes in these two factors will result in malfunctioning of level bubble. Therefore they are useless, because it is impossible to have 100% steady attitude and velocity.