It was to show she couldn’t see the “correct path”. She says to “slow down” but Paul can see he must push the Freeman hard here to make his future a reality.
I also view it as she’s attempting to use the voice subtlety to make him “slow down” (her tone sounds like it to me), but at this point Paul is top dog (Haven’t read the books so could be dead wrong haha)
Paul wakes up the next morning with a hangover: "How the hell did I manage to mess everything up? It was supposed to be a fun night with friends. Dancing, some drinks and so on. Nothing big, just a good times with friends. But then I got that stupid idea to ride a sandworm and now we're at war with the entire universe...Well, luckily I have Chani at least. Where is she anyway?"
Legit that's the most OP power, you could be the ruler of the world if you knew all the "lucky" accidents that could get you there. Worst case scenario is you look at all possible futures and realize no future exists where you're awesome lmao.
This exact plot reminds me of my first play through of Mount and Blade warband, despite being a Germanic nobody, I somehow became king of the desert and took the fight to the other kingdoms. Clearly it’s the perfect strategy.
"Well this guy just walked in, threatened to fight everyone, told 2 guys what they dream about and declared himself our Messiah. Now we're at war with the empire". "Oh, ok then".
Timothee mastered his role, characteristics of a leader; calm and passive, always thinking, spoke little, and his actions themselves seeked for him to be a leader
Even now I am speechless facing his coldness when he talks to the man about his grandmother. I can’t. I didn’t know TChalamet. He’s amazing in this role from his arrival 😱
I knew after his near-death prophetic experience from drinking the poison, something was going to change about him. But I had my doubts how that massive change was going to be conveyed believably in just one scene. This performance was so unexpedtedly powerful, he didn't just convince the fremen, he convinced me too that he was the Messiah. My favorite scene in the movie by far, it's so frighteningly captivating.
His father said the same words to a security chief. The security chief failed to catch a spy, then wanted to resign because he felt so bad about it. But Leto said, "You would deprive us of your talents at this time when the spy is still here?"
Yeah that was my favourite part, he was friends with Paul's dad and had probably served under him for years and a week's ago Gurney was still thinking all the Atreides were all dead. Not only is Paul alive but the Atreides name lives on and with all that desert power it's stronger than ever.
It is the pure satisfaction and fulfillment knowing that every man and woman of house Atreides gave their lives for the moment of putting their beloved Duke's son on the throne. It made Gurney smile again, you can see it when his mouth trembles.
Up until that moment, he was probably afraid that the culture of the Fremen had overtaken Paul's upbringing and that he had become a fanatic himself, he had more than likely accepted the fact that Paul had probably forgetten who he was and his past and accepted his new life as Muad'Dib. To see him not only remember who he was, but fully embrace the Spirit of House Atreides must have been one of the most moving moments of his life knowing that the great House he had dedicated said life to was not dead yet, Josh Brolin absolutely killed it with the micro-emotions in this scene, easily one of my favorite actors of all time.
@@arthur_168 It's another example of Paul showing his extreme prescience. He's speaking to the man of a shame he has because he's dreamt of giving water to the dead which in Fremen culture is of course the opposite of what they do when someone dies.
After this speech, I was ready to follow him in battle and I was just watching in cinema. And that's when it hit me. This is what blind fanaticism *feels* like. Massive props to Villeneuve and Chalamet for portraying this so effectively.
Blind fanaticism might not be the right word. Strong belief, that quote from stilgar where he says "I don't care if you don't believe, I BELIEVE" he acknowledges the possibility of the lisan al gaib being false, but he doesn't care because of how much he's already seen that's proving the stories.
Yap. It was incredible sensation because I was also pulled in by that moment despite knowing what comes after in Dune Messiah. Rationale for Chani's deviation in screen characterization also became clear as it would be quite hard to convey Paul's internal dilemma without resorting to clumsy voice-overs.
I mean, this kid literally can read your mind and the minds of your ancestors, see the future, use the Voice, and fight like a demon. He has also had his family and house taken from him in a major act of injustice by the same oppressors that have abused the Fremen. It’s not really blind fanaticism; it’s based on reality.
The "Slow down" comment is important. Jessica has access to the wisdom of her female ancestors, who are counselling restraint, caution, careful planning in the Bene Geserit style. Paul has access to everything, and can see the actions of his male line too, which tells him that now is the time for action and forcefulness. He now sees more than she does.
He knew to be forceful and direct because he saw that was the path in his ability to see the future, not because his male ancestors told him to. I don't think its ever said in the movies or in my memory of the books if he could see both sides of the ancestry. I think its just assumed because he surviving the ritual but he focused his power into seeing the future.
@@wiamleiss6175 like I said I think it's just assumed because he survives the Water of Life ritual, I just don't remember one instance or anything mentioned in the books about him tapping into the male ancestry. Female ancestry yes and Leto taps into both male and female. Just can't recall the same with Paul. I'm re reading the books now, so I guess ill find out.
And lead everyone to Paradise. Man, the double meaning behind that. Frank Herbert and Denis Villeneuve really understood what the unbridled power of religion can do.
they would go around the galaxy killing everyone, including inocent children. Bilions of them. So yes. Paul is ANOTHER bad guy, here (because the Harkonnens nor even the emperor aren't good guys, either). The most moral person in this story was Duke Leto.
@@dennisivan85 "You all have no idea what the message is even when its jammed in your face because you want to blame religion for whatever dumb reason you have." Talk about someone having a tell. Who was the atheist that hurt your feelings? /s Dude, if that's what you want to get from my words, thank you for helping prove my point - it's that unbridled power of utter righteousness that just lays everything to waste because, hey WTF, Deus Vult, right?
@@dennisivan85But Herbet himself said that Dune is about the danger of messianic leaders, danger of charismatic leaders and and the danger of religious fanaticism
I considered Chalamet a very good actor, but I was sceptical that he could pull off the level of authority required here. Holy hell he killed it though, his screen presence especially in the theater was incredible!!
I remember some RU-vidrs saying he was too skinny for an action movie. Without realizing this isn't an action movie, and in the books, Paul is wiry thin, and underestimated.
I like how he is quite soft spoken in english but has this guttural power in his voice with the fremen language, it is a cool way of showing how he's not only adapted to their ways but taken control over their very language
I wonder if they edited his voice. I don't doubt the talent of Timothee Chalamet, but goddamn I didn't know he had that much bass in him. It's genuinely commanding.
I know, right? It's so perfect in its design that even the audience is meant to feel the way the characters in the story feel. The power in his speech, the diction of his words, the people bowing in unison to him and chanting his name with swords raised in devotion and religious fanaticism; they're all mean to hype the audience the way that the crowd is hyped up--even when we very well know that Paul is absolutely playing into their religion for his own motives, and that his "miracles" he performs throughout the movie are only attainable because of all the study and training he had from Duke Leto, Jessica, Gurney, Duncan, Hawat and Yueh. Paul was groomed from childhood to be the perfect embodiment of their messiah, which is why he so perfectly fulfills their prophecies to the letter.
@@BlazinPheonix32I want to believe he’s the Lisan Al Gaib. There were so many circumstances out of Paul’s control yet he fulfilled every one of the prophecies
It is really badass and great nod to the book. He is speaking on how the Bene Gesserit (their mothers or reverend mothers) since long ago planted the seed of his coming to have power over them and is telling them to fear the moment because it has come.
Javier Bardem gave such an incredible performance as Stilgar. Just the way he looks at Paul and the shakiness in his voice showing how overwhelmed and awestruck he is to witness his messiah promise everything he and his people have ever dreamed of. I really do hope Bardem gets a nomination for best supporting actor at the oscars
i think we'll witness another "return of the king" situation at oscars, i don't see this movie getting fewer than 10 oscars. some actings definately deserves nomination. but the screenplay, directing, music, costumes, adaptation, effects... so on and on. this movie is a masterpiece that will influence the next decades as lotr did for almost 20 years.
And now recall how he was introduced in the first movie. Refusing to give up his weapon to the guards, strolling past guards, spitting in front of Duke Leto, saying few words and leaving right after he gets what he wants. And here he's reduced to a fanatic on his knees in front of a "savior". Paul was right. Becoming Lisan Al Gaib lost him a friend and gave him a follower.
He said “There is no one in this room who could stand against me!” Surrounded by the greatest fighters in the known universe and wasn’t even bluffing or wrong. That’s insanely hardcore and badass.
The point was that none of what he said was actually true. This is the culmination of generations of Bene Gesserit lies and propaganda, deep statistical analysis and drugs via spice. Paul knows none of what he’s saying is actually true or good, Chani knows he doesn’t believe it, Jessica wants him to sell it without knowing what it’ll take. He’s not a prophet, he’s a super computer.
@@user-yw9ys3dz7xin the book feyd wasn’t really much of a match for Paul. The movie took liberties with the fight to make it more suspenseful for the viewers
A chrysknife cannot be sheathed unless it has drawn blood once it has been unsheathed. For the entire sietch to draw on paul and for him to talk them down is staggering
Fun Fact: The South only draw their blades after The Norths do so. Because the South are fanatic believers who already believe in Paul and will self-sacrifice to protect him.
@@tonycezar1645 I think Villeneuve and the casting director both understand something very important: You *need* the small parts to sell the big ones. This whole scene rests on that single Fremen being convinced that Paul is the Messiah. If we don't believe he is turning to Paul's side, then no matter how good Chalamet's performance is, we won't believe it.
@@teamvlcn6820reminds me of the dark knight with david dastmalchian's role as the schizophrenic joker goon that Harvey's interrogates. He would later work with deni 3 times including dune and nolan again in oppenheimer.
@@kaine7672he had many struggles and many failures, but he was always very resilient. So that's why I said he was never helpless. It was a testament to his core personality.
The power of Paul's speech aside, the awe on Stilgar's face, the elation on Gurney's, the silent approval on Lady Jessica's, and the conflict on Channi's - everyone played their part superbly in this scene.
@@heatherbukowski2102 works to his advantage. Written about this before, Paul Atreides at the beginning of Dune is only about 15. Timothee easily passes for this age and it helps the audience massively.
@@megashark1013and after several voiced-in dialogues. That version has no actions or agency at all. I love this version because she’s acting like a moral compass or the moral beacon for the audience.
“I am Paul Muad’dib Atreities, Duke of Arrakis, the Hand of God be my witness, I am the Voice from the Outer World, I will lead you, to Paradise!” One of the coldest monologues in movie history
@@Morah_Veyayou didn’t watch the movie if you don’t realize why she was like that. The whole time Paul had those visions of millions of people starving and billions of people dying he told her all about it and still went south so obviously she would be mad knowing what’s to come.
for a different reason, though. he doesn't believe i this shit, he just wants revenge and his pumped that it looks like he'll get it + has a new badass duke to follow.
I went into the IMAX showing on a whim - saw a clip of the Sand Worms going against the Sardukhar and thought, “why not?” - and good Lord, I have not been so entertained by a movie - let alone any piece of media - in several years. This movie was amazing.
@@D00dman for shore. I will remember ending half of that movie for a while. I love the tone change as soon as he takes the water of life. Also love you pfp I’m a die hard mgs3 fan lol
My favorite part is the slowrealization by that unnamed fremen going from "He sure is talking a lot of shit..." to "is he looking at me?" then "wtf how did he know that?" "is he reading my mind?" "HOLY SHIT..." LISAN AL-GHAIB
My one question is how did he convince the entire fremen he was the Messiah when he only read two people thoughts and ancestry? I feel like it would take a lot more to convince millions of people than just seeing into the lives of two men
@@jakecafarelli5698 They already thought he was a leader and then he walked in after having survived drinking something they knew was poison, chose two random people and read their minds out loud to everyone. He showed them that not only was he "Mahdi" a great leader, but also the one who was prophesied as the Lisan al-Ghaib. One of the people whose mind he read was a religious leader with lots of influence, and the other was either a Sietch leader or at least well respected enough to be sitting near the front and also would have influence.
I just love the detail that as the movie advances Stilgar's fanaticism stops being the comic relief and it takes a whole different context. Here and in the last scene he is no longer a man of faith, he's a religious zealot ready to die and commit all atrocities in the name of Lisan al-Gaib
Captured this part from the book very well. "In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Freman naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it. I have seen a friend become a worshiper, he thought. In a rush of loneliness, Paul glanced around the room, nothing how proper and on-review his guards had become in his presence. He sensed the subtle, prideful competition among them, each hoping for notice from Muad'Dib."
@@dbz9393 There are two moons that orbit Arrakis, the smaller moon has an albedo pattern resembling Muad'dib (Kangaroo Mouse), the bigger moon has markings like a hand (Hand of God). Stilgar also states that Muad'dib 'points the way' a couple of times throughout the story, referring to both the Moon and Paul.
@dbz9393 hand of God can be read as influence of a creator. You can read it like him saying "The material truth of the universe justifies me having this authority over you. In the same way the sky is blue, so too do I rule you. It is my place and just how things are." And all the moon stuff the other comment talked about.
The determination, the force behind the line "I'm pointing the way!" to prevent Stilgars pointless death - Paul saw Duncan Idaho give his life for him. He will not allow that to happen again.
He saw alternative futures where Jamis became his friend and taught him the ways of the Fremen and in this timeline he had to kill him because "that was the only way". Of course he refuses to follow that stupid way.
@@Chikilin2206 you are right also, and this leads me to say that it is because of both. duncan idaho gave his life for paul willingly, because it was the only way, and paul had to kill jamis, because it was the only way. stilgar is willing to sacrifice e his life for paul, via paul killing him, and what does paul do? not that. he points the way now.
you're damn right, i was there for it and i've loved every second if it. It's been a while since i've watched a movie that immediately made me count the days until the next sequel.
I saw it opening night and it was incredible. For whatever reason the line "In your nightmares you give water to the dead and it brings joy to your heart" is the one that stuck with me the most. My hair was standing on end the entire scene
Bardems acting in this scene is incredible. The look on his face is the perfect mix of excitement and trying not to cry, the religious zeal pay off after believing his whole life. Again, just the look on his face. Incredible 👏
“I am Paul Muad’dib Atreities, Duke of Arrakis, the Hand of God be my witness, I am the Voice from the Outer World, I will lead you, to Paradise!” Paul said calmly
So cool how Gurney is kinda weirded out and not totally on board or unsure at first but once Paul pulls out the Atreides insignia and signals that he is doing it in the name of Atreides he is totally swayed in an instant.
Man is almost 30 so im pretty sure hes got more bass in his voice but u never know it could be some editing. The guy who plays the psycho villain/nephew had some great voice work as well
Imagine getting all your bros and their bros and their bros, like fifty dudes all chanting in the theatre that show would be terrifying if you felt they really meant it. Now imagine thousands.
3:14 I know Stilgar served as the comic relief in this film, but look at that man's eyes and you will see someone who will kill billions and KNOW himself to be right.
The understated part of this scene (in my view!) is that Gurney went from just seeing Paul's actions as the pragmatic one (i.e. use the prophet angle to obtain the forces needed to smash the Harkonnen and Imperial forces), to Gurney himself being a creature of Paul. When Gurney grabbed Chani, my read is that he was trying to get her to understand what Paul was doing was necessary to galvanize the Fremen for what she wanted, to free Arrakis for the Fremen. But in the process he became like Stilgar.
Also want to add, when Paul spoke about Dune, the fremen became believers. But when he spoke about being an Atreides that was when Gurney was converted. Everyone has that one vulnerable area where their heart belongs in, and this is what a charismatic leader knows how to pull the strings of.
Right at the end I love the look on Jessica’s face, just the satisfaction of her plan finally coming to fruition as Paul finally takes control, knowing she played her part to perfection to make it all happen. Rebecca Ferguson nailed the role perfectly in both movies
@@marcus_ohreallyus The prophecy wasn't true, she was running a con and at the end Paul joined her in the con because in his visions it seems thats the best way out
@@arkain1 Yeah, it is. The prophecy of the Lisan al-Gaib and the Golden Path are two very seperate ideas. And also.. Paul doesn't even want to go down the Golden Path. He rejects it. Only Leto II has the balls or madness or whatever you wanna call it to do it.
@@arkain1 Kwizatz Haderach is real. Lisan Al-Gaib is a false prophecy spread by th bene geresserit to get them to fanatically follow the Kwizatz Haderach
This is the most powerful scene in a movie I have ever seen and I can remember the Ben-Hur Jesus scene, his visit to the valley of lepers but this one is just unbelievably captivating. One needs to watch the entire film to fully understand but I played the scene it in a room with around 10 people at lunch time and they all stopped eating to watch it and most didn't even know anything about the movie and they were in awe
Timothée Chalamet putting in the performance of a lifetime. I didn't think he had it in him but I was left with my jaw on the floor watching this in IMAX. Props to Javier Bardem as well. His facial expressions, the ways he speaks the Fremen tongue, everything about his performance really nailed Frank Herbert's intentions about religious fanaticism. Goosebumps galore.
Thank you! I’ve seen so much online discourse slamming the Fremen for blind faith - sure they show fanaticism, but when someone shows up and fulfills centuries old prophesies, tells people things about their past and even their personal dreams, and then leads your people to a dominating victory over the greatest army in the galaxy, I don’t think following him as a Messiah is a sign of blind faith.
Take a bow, Timothee. Take a bow. He managed to portray Paul in this scene pitch perfectly. Exactly like in the book, a skinny kid, who is unremarkable looking in every single way, but the tone in his voice is enough to insight fear into everyone in that chamber. He portrayed Paul to perfection
“In your nightmares you give water to the dead and it brings joy to your heart” Lot of pain in Paul voice. When you know your life won’t be same again.
villeneuve deserves a lot of credit, too - the slow-mo arrival. the overhead shots. the sick intro music. the reaction of the skeptical fremen being converted - this is one of the most convincing portrayals of that in real-time
The evolution of Paul Atreides from a young and talented heir to House Atreides, to a traumatized and lost reluctant hero, to a warlord/cult leader responsible for the death of billions is one of the most tragic examples of character development I've ever seen.
I love how he literally starts doxxing them, basically, in a pure show of strength. He had to go full Batman here to drive the point home of being "the voice of the outer world."
In so many movies, the most intense scenes are the action packed ones, the ones where the heroes stand united against an insurmountable threat. In Dune, it's this scene, where we're given witness to the birth of the most dangerous man to ever live, and it all starts because he commands "I am pointing the way!"
I love the transition to the theme of the Holy War from the previous movie when Paul mentions Dune to the Fremen. It's only heightened when he tells him his nightmares, and promises a green paradise for Arrakis
Man, I've legit watched this scene about 20 times and I still get goosebumps. His transition from timid Paul to Muad'Dib is absolutely insane. Timmy is such a good actor and his transformation across Dune 1 and 2 is some of the best acting I've seen in recent memory. When he shows up with the swept back hair and the double robe, you know shit's going down.
This scene makes the movie. My god, is it perfect. All the acting is A+, the shots, the story leading to this point. This movie is a perfect marriage of filmmaking mixed with spectacle.
Watching Pauls introduction in Part I as an awkward, softspoken teenager and then coming back to this speech is just awesome! One of the most brilliant character arcs ever put to screen and incredibly acted!!
When he says "No one can stand against me" and all the Fremen pull their blades out virtually accepting that challenge and he just squats down, massive power move
Paul as Muad'Dib is the convergence. Son of Atreides. Grandson of Harkonen. Leader of Fremen. Kwisatz Haderach of the Bene Gesserit with the power of The Voice. And now, he is Emperor.
Im an academically trained philosopher and this scene legit not only gives me goosebumps, but creates 200 connections to my study. Therefore, it is really begging me to write about it
There are certain films/games that make you stop and ponder for some time after watching them. I felt this way after finishing RDR2, feel the same way about this film. It's a cinema sci-fi masterpiece and I honestly think it will go down as a timeless classic. It goes against the trend of sequels being lesser than their predecessor. Everything about it is amazing.
This scene and the leap of faith from Into the Spider-Verse are, to me, the most powerful depictions of a transformative character moment in contemporary cinema.
I did not know if Chalamet could pull it off, because of how brutal and sudden the change is. Essentially he’s playing a different character altogether, but my god did he have me ready to join the jihad with this scene.
Paul used his future vision, realized that he would have to spend years to grind the current Fremen traditions, kill many good fighters to reach the ultimate leader role to even start uprooting the Emperor, so he said "fuck it, I am expediting my promotion in 1 speech"
