By law the DMV has to accept his form of payment because the US Coinage Act of 1965 says that coins are “legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues.”
carlos oliveira explain. The US coinage act of 1965 states that all US coins are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Businesses are allowed to refuse pennies (and any form of cash payment), but he is paying for a public charge to a government agency, and they must accept it.
Benjamin Zheng They may be legal tender but the coinage act does not force them to accept in any quantity you desire. Are you willing to accept your pay cheque entirely in pennies? After all, it is legal tender.
carlos oliveira I would accept it, then find a job that wouldn’t do that. But since he has an obligation to pay the debt they must take it regardless of form since it is legal, and if they refuse, then the debt would be cleared.
I can see paying fines & tickets with pennies as payback, especially for victimless "crimes". Make them waste time counting tons of coins for wasting our time. It is much easier for people to get up to a few hundred dollars of pennies from a bank compared to a company needing millions/billions of pennies for payroll. It isn't in an employer's best interest to use coins.
also if they lazy & say to u go back & i tell them my time is money want to wasted it for then i charge a fee that u have to pay for if not & u dont want to accept this give me in writing & i give it to my lawyer then charge may happen
why???... you owe the money... why be a jerk about paying what you owe? what will paying your regular bills (rent, power, water, etc) in pennies solve?
This is funny cause usually when it's all loose change they are like you need to put them in rolls, Now you have them in rolls they are like "Oh we got to open each roll" Too check.
That DMV and staff should have been reported to the feds for violation of law. Those SERVANTS should be the ones DOING THE COUNTING. They WORK FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT PUBLIC WORK FOR THEM!
that's the funny thing. Before this i called the secret service ( who were founded to combat illegal currency), then i was directed to the US Department of Treasury, then the Mint. Turns out NO GOVERNMENT AGENCY WILL ENFORCE IT becuase all currency is owned by a prvate bank: the Federal Reserve. Prove me wrong, FUCKING PLEASE
Next time you need to push it, give them the specific laws on paper that state they must accept it, and file a petition for relief of the amount due if they continue to persist.
Well, nice alternative to instead count it yourself I suppose, but he said policy states he can only accept "a couple" rolls due to customer volume. That's bullshit, no policy anywhere would ever use "a couple" to describe a quantity it has to be exact otherwise they can't enforce it by law because it's too vague. Next time if there is a next time, ask them exactly what the quantity is on the policy otherwise they can't enforce it, and if they still refuse just call the police, the DMV is connected to the government so calling the police would especially work in this situation, and if not talk to a lawyer.
Looks like the DMV has refused your attempt to pay a debt with legal currency. That means you can ask a judge to dismiss the debt, or demand compensation for damages.
Actually there is.... Its called the US Treasury.... Their policy is not an excuse to skirt the law... If they take cash, then that is cash. Tell them to f*%k their policy. They cannot deny legal tender as payment if they are accepting cash. Stand your ground man!
@Jay Jay Nope, wrong again. I encourage you to visit the US Dept of Treasury website and read for yourself. And Please note the Private or Organization CAN be the State itself. So yes, the DMV, court house, city, etc, CAN refuse. Most do not, but there are some who do limit the format / delivery of coins. But ye ole adage "You must accept any and all legal tender" is flat out false. " This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services . Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy ."
@tellurye Yes. You’re talking about a private business. They can refuse any customer for whatever reason. I owned a small butcher shop for decades. Sometimes I would take payment in coins. Other times when we’re busy no. State and federal buildings yiu can pay with a million dollars worth of Pennie’s. . You don’t know what you’re reading A courthouse isn’t a private building. Private business are every business but state and federal building which takes all forms of currency for debt.
PRIMUS!! Love it already! (Love this song..love Primus!) Well done!! Unfortunately, because we did that too many times in the 90's...haha, and now? Never happens..."He is trying to make a statement..." Too bad...this sort of thing used to work. Shit, they don't even use pennies anymore where I am now, (I am from the States)in Canada (Vancouver)...Pennies are pretty much more expensive to make now, so there is no need for pennies anymore. Sad...it IS legal tender.
i would have told them to take the money and count it, or i was gonna call the FBI, and they would tell them to take it or be under fbi investigation which would end up making them resign and not able to hold another job within the government.
He's protesting his ticket peacefully and complying by paying the fine. If they don't count them, then give him the receipt and he'll take his pennies away. Simple. And besides, it ain't peco's, it's pennies.
Law states that if you owe a debt they have to take whatever form of payment (as long as its American currency ) you decide to pay in. Only if you owe a debt. Citations, Property tax ETC
bro. u caved in to easy. make a point. srick with it. and be clear. you would of had a good video. CAUSE YOU HAD THEM ROLLED AND THEY WOULDNT. you had that arguement won but you where scared to execute.
OGPRONE this is clickbait because he didn’t pay them in all pennies. What the hell was he wearing that thing on his head for? They would see his face once he took it off for his license unless they don’t have their face on their license there. Also, you could tell those pennies came from the bank by the way they were rolled. They should have taken them. Plus the top of the bag was clipped closed because it was 50 dollars in pennies. He should have told them more information.
I agree! You guys caved in way toooooo easy!!! Yes of course it is a HUGE inconvenience for the DMV to have to count all them pennies. And YES they would have to open all the rolls and count them to make sure they are all in fact pennies even though they looked like they were rolled by the bank. For those wanting to pull this stunt, IT IS LEGAL TENDER! They said "policy" says we can only take two or three rolls, they should have asked to SEE THE POLICY to verify. If its a public debt (money owed to Uncle Sam) they have to accept any type of legal tender, hence you won't find any real policy that states you can only pay with one or two rolls of coins.
@@scotthansen14 You once again have no idea what you are talking about. Don't speak of the constitution or any shit you think you're an expert in. As I have repeatedly told you and your cement head, look on any law website and you will easily find the answer that you are unwilling to accept. No business and no government agency is bound by the coinage act of 1965. The act simply states what is legal tender which the government changes at any rate. They take coins and bills out of circulation all the time. This is why places like McDonald's can and does refuse $100 bills. Go ahead and try to pay for fries with one. I don't know how many times I have to tell you the same thing. You may not like it but it's the law. Not your idea of what the law is but the actual law. I couldn't care less what you think of me. You're a retard in my eyes. I don't make the laws, I just understand them unlike you. You don't even realize the difference between a law and an act. Go to bed, little baby, and when you wake up tell your mommy you want to be a lawyer.
rick daniels actually that is why it says on currency that it is legal tender for all debts, they do have to take it. unfortunately, there isn't actually any enforcement agency for currency. the secret service fights counterfeiting but that's about it. I called the US department of treasury, the US mint, and the secret service and they had no idea who enforced currency laws. you basically need a court order
yeah its one thing if you get kicked out of bestbuy or something. But if you have to pay a government or private agency for a fee or FINE thry have to accept any federal currency, which includes pennies
This USC applies to policy of a creditor whether to collect any payment in form of cash only. You apparently don't understand your own quoting of U.S.C. If this organization had a payment policy to not accept cash for whatever reason, there is no mandate to do that. There are places that have a no cash policy, public and private, for security purposes if I had to take a guess. So, You "Rick Daniels" need to understand what you are quoting and stop calling people morons when you obviously have no understanding of what the U.S.C. is!
they just dont want to mess with the coins, and she says you could just go to the bank and exchange it, no she can. all dmv. does is take money all they need to do is buy a change counter.
so you spent hours paying a fine, no one cares, just a funny story about the idiot who came in with coins, strange , would it make more sence not getting the ticket in the fist place? just an idea
Federal law says they have to accept pennies as legal tender: Title 31 (Money and Finance), Subtitle IV (Money), Chapter 51 (Coins and Currency), Subchapter I (Monetary System), Section 5103 (Legal Tender) of the United States Code states: United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
YOu should have stood your ground. The coinage act of 1965 allows coins as a legal payment tender and if not accepted the debt would have been forgiven
And private business do not have to EXCEPT all coins as LEGAL tender.this law does not apply to private business.so don't go to a private business and try this.they are not a form of government. Have a nice day people.
I see so many people doing this i checked and our city has laws to prevent anyone from trying to do this here if you try to do it here they will refuse your payment.
there's a nifty device called an electronic money counter...retail companies have them...many of them at least. and for a government establishment, bought and paid for by the tax payer,to not accept legal tender...they should be fined and arrested.
If I am not mistaken is it not against the federal laws to refuse legal tender here in the states. That fat boy just broke federal law refusing to take the pennies.
Lol, I have been watching videos where people pay or try to pay with pennies. I don't understand, money is money. Why keep manufacturing coins if they aren't accepted as money? I hate pennies but they are a form of payment and should be accepted.
No sir you own your license for 4 years for 10$ that's the universal law and you are not to be denied a copy of id cus you can't not have I'd it's illegal to deny ID you can call the feds and say your identity was stolen
Dude the DMV is full of divorced women who have a shitty attitude towards everyone they meet. I’m sure one person with a great attitude is going to loose the great attitude when they work at the DMV for a week
They're ROLLED! If you wanted to be an ass you could've unrolled them all and made them take that instead, they should've just cut their losses, but I don't understand why they would cry over rolled coinage...
dude, nxt time..please let them know that a policy does not override a law. Where you were was at a government entity..by law they have to accept it since it legal tender. If they don't have the man power to count it, that's their problem, they're the one that have to verify it,,YOU DON'T have to be present for them to count it since you've already verified for yourself that it's the correct amount...amm, yeah, and just keep quiet, they can botch how much they want...and if they refuse to the payment, it can mean that your debt was paid in full, but I'm not too sure on that.
