Pedal Mounting 2 of 5 - Velcro And Dual Lock

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This is the second in a series of five videos that will cover various techniques you can use to secure pedals to your pedalboard. In this video, we'll look at Velcro and Dual Lock.
Thanks for watching!
Jason
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3M Dual Lock Info Page
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www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-u...
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Dual Lock Part Numbers
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STANDARD (acrylic adhesive)
SJ3550 - 250 (black)
SJ3551 - 400 (black)
SJ3552 - 170 (black)
SJ3560 - 250 (clear)
SJ3561 - 400 (clear)
SJ3562 - 170 (clear)
RUBBER ADHESIVE (low energy surfaces like wood or powder coated metal)
SJ3540 - 250
SJ3541 - 400
SJ3542 - 170
LOW PROFILE
SJ4570 - clear, low surface energy acrylic
SJ4575 - black, low surface energy acrylic
SJ4580 - clear, standard acrylic
ROUND PIECES
SJ3463
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Mix And Match
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Strongest 250:400
Stronger 250:250/170:400
Strong 170:250
Not recommended 170:170 or 400:400

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@wulf67 2 года назад

So much useful information in this video! I should probably watch the other four parts now.

@Jerry6750 5 лет назад

Very good, informative, thorough video. Thank you!

@deadkarmaband 4 месяца назад

I was just getting ready to re-do my board with velcro and saw this. Ordering a roll of dual lock now. Velcro was always just the standard and go-to, I never really thought about it. Great video.

@TeamEmperor 4 года назад

Damn Dude! You have the best video on this. I'm happy that you have the mix & match strength combinations in the description.

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Thanks! I personally find 250:250 to be plenty, but go with whatever you need.

@andycanona 4 года назад

Thank you! Great vid! What a service to the musician community!

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Thanks!

@Indianadixon 4 года назад

This is the most helpful video about Dual Lock on pedal boards.

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@ZRJZZZZZ 2 года назад

Bravo! Your videos are excellent and need to be the length that they are for those of us who have no knowledge of the subject. Thank you.

@dougjames292 5 лет назад

Perfect instruction.... not too long at all. Thanks for the education!!

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@JAFOpty 5 лет назад

thank you so much. I was looking for specifics about Dual Lock, couldn't find it anywhere else!

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Glad I could help!

@The_paradox_of_Youth 2 года назад

Brilliant video. Answered questions I didn't even know I had. 🥂

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

Glad I could help!

@Tom_Platz 5 лет назад

Just wanted to comment to say "Thank You!" for this great video of information, specifically about the Dual Lock. I'm looking into using it for the first time on one of my boards, and knew next to nothing about it. Now I know exactly what I need to know to make an informed purchase. Again, thanks!

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Glad I could help!

@musicalmitch 5 лет назад

All meat, no fat, and some excellent tips. The discs on the smaller pedals is brilliant. I’m just about to Velcro my new pedaltrain board, so much appreesh the excellent how-to advice and buying tips. 👍🏼👍🏼

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@xbob 4 года назад

This was exactly what I was looking for. I really appreciate that you take an objective look at the products and just describe what's there, pointing out qualities in each that are good to know prior to buying. It's lengthy compared to other less in depth videos but, the information you disseminate is worth it. There are options if you don't have the time to watch the whole thing in one sitting. Great work, Jason!

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Thanks!

@Win1forQuinn 4 года назад

Thank you! After years of using Velcro, I'm building my new board with Dual Lock 250. Your video was very helpful and reinforced my decision.

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Awesome!

@got2rock4 Год назад

Great explanation and good info. Thanks for the video.

@AlphatoneAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@lukkaturi 3 года назад

I never thought I would need a tutorial on velcro but it seems I do 😅 I loved this video, I'm just getting started into pedalboards and there's a lot of videos for beginners but this one is the best I've watched (and believe me, I've watched a lot). Thank you!

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Glad I could help!

@michael_caz_nyc 5 лет назад

Awesome Video. I am in the process of building a New Pedalboard in April 2019 - this Helped alot. Dual Lock 250 is the way to go. I do Appreciate the all the Great Tips, Tricks & Information.

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Thanks! Check out my website if you need some cables for you new board.

@MrRedstonefreedom 5 месяцев назад

Absolutely no idea what a pedalboard is, but this was an absolutely fantastic & insightful video on reclosable fasteners! Big knowledge upgrade, thank you for being so thorough & thoughtful!

@AlphatoneAudio 5 месяцев назад

That's awesome! I'm glad this was useful information for someone outside the guitar/music-gear world. Thanks for watching!

@jacobszekely4069 5 лет назад

Amazing video!!! Thanks so much!

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

thanks!

@darconp 3 года назад

Great video. Keep it up

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Thanks!

@eagleeye2037 3 года назад

Very good informed video thanks

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Thanks!

@MyBassistChris 3 года назад

Thank you for the fantastic video! After using a temple board for 4 years I decided to change to a Harley Benton spaceship pedalboard and I was debating between industrial Velcro & 3m dual lock. Both seem like great solutions but for my needs it seems like industrial Velcro is the way to go. Thanks again!

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Glad I could help, and enjoy your new setup!

@johne1599 5 лет назад

Good video, Jason! Thanks for all the info!! As for length, 1 video on velcro and a separate 1 on Dual Lock is probably better. I was only interested in the Dual Lock part, for example. I like the UNIX/Linux model of small, individual tools, and the same philosophy works for videos. One more thing, your monitor behind you is giving off a glare to your viewers. Hope that feedback helps. You put out great videos. Thanks again!

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Thanks for the comment! Trying to get better at these all the time...

@johne1599 5 лет назад

@@AlphatoneAudio YMW! Glad you asked for suggestions. I appreciate that you care about the quality of your videos and giving back feedback seems a small contribution compared with the time you spend making them.

@robsthedon Год назад

Awesome 😎

@AlphatoneAudio Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@amirprog 3 года назад

Alphatone Audio, How do you use velcro and dual lock with sustain pedal on bare floor? What do you do if you want to wash the floor?

@tunesdude61 4 года назад

Excellent video! Regarding length, I agree that breaking the videos into two - one on Velcro, one on Dual Lock - would have been good, but I still found the whole thing pretty useful. Question: I have a Dunlop volume pedal with a rubber-like base that I just can't get Velcro to adhere to well. Would the rubberized base of the Dual Lock be more suitable? Any other ideas?

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Thanks! Not a bad idea to the rubberized dual lock to see how it works. If you really want the pedal to stick though, think about peeling that rubber base off.

@DullBull 6 лет назад

Just a little addition: The 250 can mate to itself, but the 400 and 170 are "not recommended" to self-mate according to the 3M brochure. They were made to mate with the others, like you showed.

@JasonSheesley 6 лет назад

Exactly. See the Mix And Match section in the video description, taken from the 3M product info.

@denismanuelroagarcia5007 5 лет назад

Hello bros, Tb3550 is ok?

@red240red2 3 года назад

Super informative!! Needed this How do you remove the adhesive from the 3m , alcohol? Will the adhesive damage pedal surfaces ?

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Alcohol should be all you need, but GooGone can work if the residue is stubborn. The adhesive is very strong and can damage a surface if you decide to remove it. I've seen it peel the veneer off of plywood!

@ampgent 5 лет назад

FYI I just bought low profile dual lock with 100 closures (not 50), so that’s a nice improvement

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Nice!

@fairtaxbob 3 года назад

I am hunting for Velcro Standard Thickness on the hoop side. I can't use any that after several hooks and release and the Velcro looks like a bad hair day.

@chrohm 6 лет назад

good video sir

@AlphatoneAudio 6 лет назад

thanks!

@higguma 5 лет назад

Hello, Great video. I need to attach a monitor power brick and a plastic power strip to the bottom of my desk. I'm wondering would I need the Rubber or Acrylic adhesive. 1.The desk is bamboo with a fine smooth finish. 2. There will be some slight warmth conditions on both. 3. This will hang upside down horizontally from under the desk, can it hold?

@JasonSheesley 5 лет назад

I think either will be fine. In my experience, I've found very little difference between the rubber and acrylic adhesive types. Also, a slightly warm surface is fine.

@jacobstracener4702 5 лет назад

Awesome video, man! Super informative and extremely helpful. Two quick questions: In the description and video, you state that for dual lock when dealing with surfaces such as wood, the rubber adhesive works best, yet you used acrylic (standard). Do the types of adhesive you use in regards to dual lock not matter that much? As a follow up to that. I’m planning on using dual lock to stick my pedals to my gator board (made out of aluminum). I know I’m gonna go for 250, but is the standard adhesive fine, or might that be a problem for some pedals/the aluminum board?

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

After working with dual lock for a couple years now, I've not had problems with the acrylic, and I use 250 for everything. While there are differences in the different adhesive types and densities, I wouldn't get too wrapped up in them.

@r.k.2000 3 года назад

I've seen a few other videos where people were disappointed with the Dual Lock types because when you pull the pedals off the Dual Lock nubs would often flake or break off.

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

This can happen, but Velcro will degrade over time as well. I recommend to most people that if you swap pedals a lot, go Velcro. If you keep your setup pretty static, go Dual Lock.

@mahletregassa2415 4 года назад

can i use on fabrics?

@LoftOfTheUniverse Год назад

Do I attach the adhesive and then heat it up?

@javajack-1 2 года назад

That was an excellent video. I was also wondering where to get this so thanks for the links. Amazon only has one style. One question I have is with rubber bases on so many pedals. Velcro really doesn’t stick well to these. Would the corner screw Montserrat resolve this issues. Thanks

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

If you want the best results, strip the bottom of your pedals back to the metal. All the rubber should just come off.

@javajack-1 2 года назад

@@AlphatoneAudio thanks I’ll give it a try

@jovar7545 2 года назад

Thanks for the great video! I want to attach my carorganizer Basket to the felt floor of my trunk. I want to try out velcro for this. Do you have an idea?

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

This stuff does not do a great job of sticking to felt.

@denismanuelroagarcia5007 5 лет назад

Hello bro, Nice video!! What type of 3M dual lock recomende? For example tb3550 is ok?

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Yeah, 3550 is perfect. The TB means trial bag, so you only get 10 feet. If you need more than that, just search for the part numbers I have above.

@johnmassengill9447 5 лет назад

I am wondering if the 3M round disc sj3463 would work for ToneCity mini Pedals due to the small screws, also the Donner mini Pedals. These mini Pedals have recessed centers on the bottom plates. Thank you

@johnmassengill9447 5 лет назад

Sorry, great video very informative 👍

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

I used the sj3463 on an MXR phase 95 and I was happy with the result. I would say it's worth experimenting with as they're pretty cheap to get. Check out www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3m/SJ-3463/SJ3463-ND/703221

@jatna77 4 года назад

Thanks for your vids. How hard is it to get the Dual Lock strips off of the back of pedals? What would you use to get it off?

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

Dual Lock comes off pretty easily, and more importantly, cleanly. If there is a bit of residue, it cleans up with a bit of alcohol.

@jatna77 4 года назад

Thank you!

@oliviervanbeylen9142 2 года назад

Hi, Thank you so much for this usefull video! I have a question regarding Dual Lock. Can I use it to fix wooden sports items on the wall (like tennis rackets & hockey sticks)? If so, could it damage the items if later on I want to remove it? I thought maybe using duct tape on the items to protect them and fix Dual Lock on top. Good idea or not at all? Thx!

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

Dual Lock is strong enough to take off a layer of wood if you;re not careful removing it. If you talking about memorabilia, I would try something else.

@oliviervanbeylen9142 2 года назад

@@AlphatoneAudio Thanks for your answer!

@JPMonstie 6 лет назад

Thanks for info. I have a powder coated aluminium style pedal board like a pedaltrain. Which adhesive would you recommend for that?

@AlphatoneAudio 6 лет назад

You'll be fine with the standard adhesive. Just make sure to have a clean surface and give it 24 hours to cure after applying before stressing it.

@hitsfromthebong7629 5 лет назад

Great video, sorry this is a dumb question but what gauge dual lock is best to mate- 1 being for the powder coated board and 1 for the pedal to get a good grip but without being too difficult to remove when replacing pedals.

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

Thanks! I'm using 250 for everything nowadays. If you want to swap pedals a lot, start with 3/4" lengths, maybe just three squares a pedal. Should still be plenty!

@fachryhakiki 8 месяцев назад

if i want to use dual lock with the loop side of velcro, how many stems should i use for the dual lock? 250 or 400?

@AlphatoneAudio 8 месяцев назад

If you're wanting a more solid grab, 400 is probably the best way to go. 250 might grab a bit, but isn't likely to be as solid of a connection.

@fiveeight0sixsix 2 года назад

I have no interest in pedal mounting but thanks for an excellent description of the different types of Dual Lock!

@KaltOhm 3 года назад

Hi. Great video, thanks. One question: which dual lock adhesive would you recommend for the typical metal pedal board like a pedaltrain nano?

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Thanks! Honestly, it makes little difference. Just make sure to wipe your board down with a bit of alcohol.

@steveskidmore849 5 лет назад

Great - thanks! When you say the Dual Lock to regular Velcro is ok for quick fix etc, because I have the Velcro already on my pedalboard (all over), would it be ok for permanently keeping the pedals on there (if not swapping them around)? Thanks again.

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

I say that because the dual lock will tend to tear up the loop side of velcro quicker than the hook side of velcro will because it's more rigid. If you combine the two, best to leave them attached. What you want to do is fine.

@steveskidmore849 5 лет назад

Many thanks 👍 The problem I had with the Velcro was it was coming off the pedals themselves. I’ll use the Dual Lock and as you also suggested, heat it up first with a hair dryer. Thanks again.

@steveskidmore849 5 лет назад

@@AlphatoneAudio Sorry to bother you again (I promise I won't anymore after this lol). I have a Boss VE-2 harmonizer pedal. Underneath there's a large angled battery slot with a slanting cover. This leaves very little flat surface area to stick on the pedalboard. I can't send you a photo on RU-vid, but of you Google Boss ve-2 images, you'll see. Anyway, your idea of using double layers to keep rubber feet, would work well if there wasn't this large angled indentation. Any ideas please?

@AlphatoneAudio 5 лет назад

@@steveskidmore849 Sounds like the same problem you see with Maxon pedals. Remember, you don't need a lot of dual lock to keep the pedal down, so use what area you have. Ditch the battery cover if it's in the way. If all else fails, just put the dual lock on the battery cover. If you don't take it on and off a lot, and you don't beat the crap out of your board, it will hold. Good luck!

@steveskidmore849 5 лет назад

Alphatone Audio many thanks 👍

@KGB007AGENT 2 года назад

I've been using 3M dual velcro and works great but I've heard of a similar product called "Power-Grip Pedalboard Mounting Tape", have you tried it yet?, it's more expensive but I don't know if it's worth the extra money, thanks!.

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

I'm 99% sure that stuff is just rebranded Dual Lock.

@KGB007AGENT 2 года назад

@@AlphatoneAudio 😁 Yeah, I'm guessing they just want to make some few extra bucks with that "new material" so I'll keep on using Dual Lock, thanks!

@RprtBak 3 года назад

"A few dollars more", crying in 2021. lol!

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

Right?! I checked standard retail prices this morning. Heavy duty velcro is about $1 a foot. Dual Lock is about $1.40 a foot. Definitely shop around if you want Dual Lock as prices can vary quite a bit.

@HowardFrischer 3 года назад

which side goes on the pedal board 400 or 250?

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

250 on pedal, 400 on board. Not critical, just my preference.

@babindass565 4 года назад

Is it stickable in mirror surfaces

@AlphatoneAudio 4 года назад

I don't see why not.

@InSaiyan-Shinobi 3 года назад

would this hold a tablet thats 4pounds?

@AlphatoneAudio 3 года назад

For sure. Use 1 pound per square as a general guide (according to 3M).

@Bairov 2 года назад

Which dual lock do you recommend for sticking to velcro?

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

Dual lock works best with itself. Usually the contact between "Velcro" Hook (scratchy side) and Loop (softer side) is the attachment you'd want. They are each designed to work fairly specifically to their designed mate.

@Bairov 2 года назад

@@AlphatoneAudio I have a cheaper board with fluffy side already laid out. I was hoping dual lock patches could give me a better grip

@Bairov 2 года назад

This current connection is pretty weak. I was hoping I could leave what came pre stuck and get a better grip with one side being dual lock

@AlphatoneAudio 2 года назад

@@Bairov I see.. Yeah unfortunately finding the hook side of the velcro would work best if leaving what's the there. Otherwise I'd tear down and rebuild.

@cpfs936 2 года назад

Stolen from another pedalboard video-if you put blue painter's tape on the bottom of your effects, you can take the velcro off later without tearing up the back of the pedal, and it doesn't really affect the adhesion.