Penn Jillette: Reading the Bible (Or the Koran, Or the Torah) Will Make You an Atheist | Big Think 

Hi dear Kind Hearted Person, you have way too many necessitating antecedents. This causes you to be "atheist" - that will cause you to be "atheist," "I'm an atheist all the time, I lack belief of gods all the time, "we're all born atheists" "You're making the claim at least one deity exists" makes you "atheist." Can you open the door of your fridge and not become an "atheist"? Really, this silly juvenile little bastard for the last two days has been telling me "God can't exist because men need space suits to survive in outer space." "Read the Bible and you'll be atheist." No, when your side reads holy texts you become sanctimonious, sermonizing, pin headed, self rightous, *religious HYPOCRITES!*

Hello, sir, I dont think you mentioned the Koran in the video as you did in the title, Koran has absolutely no contradictions and every human who seeks for the truth knows it.. You just need to look and read and investigate things simply as you did for the Bible, you know many scientific facts that have been found about recently, they were mentioned in the Koran 1400 years ago, and Im saying it again just look for any contradictions, put teams aside and seek for the truth, like seriously seek for the truth and not just like being on the winning "team"' , and Im sure that would lead you directly to the fact that the Koran wasnt written by humans, unless you dont want to know the truth, you cant hide from it, neither you can hide it..

Ahmad : I only believe in god only and only if the same physical laws that affect me affect him .. what about that!!

@@Juka161 You're begging the question that God is physical. IF all things are material then God does not exist.

lahore2vancouver bruhh, fastest thing we discovered is light, that doesnt mean it is the fastest thing, sometime ago ppl didnt even know about radiations because they couldnt see them, but with the development of science they figuered it out later, now if u really think that science has found out about everything then ur really mistaken sir.. every scientist wouls say that light is the fastest thing "discovered", thats for the "flying horse" about everything else your 1000 yr and 50 thousand yr cont. the 50 thousand was a likening.. . Sir with everything u said and everything u still think about, we both know that Quran is 1400+ yrs old, now how can u not see that the scientific facts in it could not have been discovered then unless the god who created them who knew about them told about them ?? Explain that .....

#metoo 😎👍🤳🍻🥂

That just sound silly.

@Kieran ! You will one day will he held to account for every time you take God's name in vain.You think God is an alien?You fool!

@Kieran ! Calling the Almighty God an Alien Warlord is showing God disrespect.You like many other have no Fear of God.What Ian saying is one day you will regret slandering his name.And you will hear God.

Kieran ! Couldn’t agree more it’s kinda crazy seeing people not only believe but WORSHIP nothing... they are wasting so much of the short time we have to live

Its all that we have Lindsey. Your minister isnt a special character among us, Jesus tore the veil so go to our Father. He can get us through anything and indeed what do we have without Him? Do we want God? He is our perfect Love. He is our Creator. He is our Closest. He is our Rock. He wants you. The understanding is there if you want it Lindsey. Also, if you want you can reach out to me

Gotta love how instead of trying to help he gave you homework isn't religion great

Good job... I feel religion is nothing more then a source of power by turning weak minded ppl into sheep. Every church I've ever been too has been hypocritical ...saying give us money and give to the poor...as the preacher drives a friggin 75000 bmw . Not to mention the 100000000 dollar "super churches" and that's not a hyperbole. You don't need a god to be a good person. All you need is a brain and an internal moral code

@@instrumentalbar7584 can you prove it?

@@instrumentalbar7584 God is not real.

@Ad Lockhorst Umm, did you watch this video? One of the critical points Penn began with was his pastor encouraging critical thinking about the bible and his faith. Oh, and you could also say that any time someone says something to you there is an agenda. It's certainly worth remembering that someone interpreting information for you is filtering through their bias at the very least. Part of learning how to communicate is figuring how to judge the character and biases of the other person, and granting their words the appropriate weight

@@jesusdiazzz6369 1: who said he killed his son? 2: Homosexuality is not a mental illness. I'd be more inclined to assign homophobia under the mental illness category. If sinning caused homosexuality, most of the human race would be gay. Also how can animals be gay if it's only caused by sinning? I have never understood the vitriol some people have regarding homosexuality. To my knowledge, the bible doesn't once directly condemn homosexuality. Sure homosexuals can't have children as easily, but how bad is that really? I think we have enough people on this planet to compensate easily. 4: Thou shall not kill sure seems to get pretty ambiguous for what doesn't seem like it should be so complicated 5: If God is so secure why did he create mankind the crowning achievement of this Universe for the primary purpose of praising him? 6: Absolutely agree, I think it's bizarre how many people think they can fully grasp God's nature. People that claim to know exactly what God is and wants are people I avoid. 9: I don't believe keeping religious activities separate from government function is persecution or even bad. How would you feel if your child's school had organised prayers to Allah every morning? The Christian refugees that helped found our nation sadly didn't seem to be great folks, and they became refugees because many people didn't want them around not because they were Christian but because they were downright unpleasant people. Personally I think persecution by outsiders is the least of the worries for the Christian church. I'm far more concerned with things like hypocritical churches that revel in greed and sin and try to cloak it in evangelism. Or churches that focus on hate and judgement instead of serving God's will. I have never been comfortable with televangelists full of hubris and greed telling poor people to give them more money so they can buy lavish mansions and private jets. I know churches are filled with people both good and bad, but when an entire church thoroughly embraces behavior completely against the teachings of their own savior, the bile rises. The evangelical prosperity gospel churches make me particularly angry. I don't hate Christians, I just wish more of them followed Jesus teachings.

@@jesusdiazzz6369 I can see there are many things we will likely never agree on. You say "Homosexuality is a mental illness because we are not naturally made to be attracted to men but to women." The very definition of homosexuality is a person that is naturally attracted to the same sex. If you want to consider homosexuality a sin that would be your choice. If you want to persecute people who are homosexual, I would take great exception to such uncivilized behavior. You say "God calls it an abomination". Are you one of those folks that hears God's words directly, or is this another second or third hand account of God's word. It's sure not evident in the bible, so from where did those words of God arise? If you or people you love want to pray every every day in school or wherever, more power to you. My issue is with governmental sanctioned religious events. It is the purview of the church to evangelize not our government. Governmental employees are forbidden to lead in religious activities in part to protect religions from governmental interference. Personally I think churches tend to go astray when they try to wield too much worldly power. The true word of God should stand under it's own power without any hint of intimidation threat or pressure.

@@stevewebber707 1.) You are wrong because people are not naturally gay but adapt it through sin. They were not naturally attracted to men since there is people who where not gay but later became gay. www.google.com/search?q=homosexually&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS800US800&oq=homosexually+&aqs=chrome..69i57.4536j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Read the definition is does not say naturally. Homosexuality means that you like guys or same sex. I do not hear God since I am still not saved but I here to inform you. Churches should not wield on governmental power but the power of God.

@Feiner Fug Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate the knowledge. Though I can't say reading the chapters inspires me to follow those rules to the letter.... Death penalty for adultery seems a bit too harsh to me. I probably write too much in these forums, but I have time on my hands, and I occasionally do learn a new thing here and there ;)

In your effort to not upset your mom, you might very well end up distancing yourself from her, which might be *more* upsetting, especially if she doesn’t know the source of the distance. Just as plenty of moms have learned to love their gay and trans children, mom’s can learn to love their atheist children. In my own experience, the seeds of atheism had already been sown for my mom, and by discussing my atheism with her openly and without reservations not only did we develop a closer, more fulfilling relationship but she came to understand and accept her own atheism.

@@jpe1 It may not be as emotionally healthy, but trust me, keeping quiet is my best option.

@@daffodilunderhill7066 I trust you, and wish you the best! Hopefully things work out.

I find it hard as a man who’s lost faith to not tell the curious little children I know that God isn’t real, I choose to allow anyone who wishes to continue in innocent ignorance

@@daffodilunderhill7066 just as the religious congregate and support each other, so too can the faithless. All religion does is give people something greater than themselves to be a part of and look forward to. We can find a sense of self purpose in life even more so than others because we aren’t clinging to some hope of the afterlife, let your determination be to make the most of this one. May you love and be loved always

You mean like atheists do?

tsc 701 nah he was talking about ur pastors

@@paulberent1896 too bad I'm agnostic. You guys are worse than secular people

tsc 701 same dude

tsc 701 not a atheist but also not a man blinded by faith

Well, Christians do fear critical thinking.

Tony Tony Chopper No, we do'nt

Robert Leather Been there, man, you're not alone in that group. My mom was so embarrassed with the priest and scolded me all the way to our house while asking why I had to ask so much. That I was there to learn and that I should know to shut my mouth and accept was the priest was saying. I just looked at her and said; "WHAT?! Are you insane?!"

Joseph Bolton Love the irony of the use of the word "preachy" there. Plus your implied assumption I was disruptive and disrespectful is misguided at best and downright patronising at worse.

Joseph Bolton Plus I've spoken on a higher level later in life with priests and at no point did they attempt to justify their beliefs as anything more than faith based upon stories intended to inspire rather than necessarily being totally accurate. It's when you hear people say the Earth is 6000 years old and that people and dinosaurs were cohabitees, that's where I draw the line. That and trying to dictate terms of dogma onto other people. I find it funny how evangelicals condemn Islam's rules while preaching of the sins of homosexuality.

Yes, confirmation bias can be deadly.

Never heard that one before... love it.

In various gods* And the vast majority of those myths are mutually exclusive.

Cagatay Ocals "I don't claim to know everything thing" Atheist(most) don't claim to know there is no god but instead it is a personal belief that you don't believe in God. It is like this as an Atheist I would say "their could be in fact a God I just don't believe one exists because no evidence has ever shown to prove a God". Until God's existence has been proven I won't believe in it. By saying this I'm not saying that a god doesn't exist. I don't like the ways agnostic think because it doesn't require critical thinking but instead when someone asks you something you just say "no comment". When someone asks you if unicorns exist you *should* say "no I don't because no evidence has ever been found, but that doesn't mean that unicorns can't exist" but instead an agnostic would just say "maybe". You should accept things that have evidence and reject things until there is evidence but agnostics don't do this and that's why I say there critical thinking skill are lacking.

Cagatay Ocal Because there is direct evidence against any possible deity being loveable or merciful. Disease, natural disasters, genetic defects, the fact that the vast majority of water is basically poisonous. What religious people don't understand is that they can do whatever they want as well. Being a religious person or an atheist doesn't restrict your actions beyond what you decide should be restricted. You're way of thinking is akin to saying that murders don't happen because prison is a punishment. Science has been providing evidence for god's non-existence for a LONG time. There's a reason that back in the day, god was responsible for damn near everything, and now has been reduced to 'what created the universe' and such. If we found out the cause of existence tomorrow, people would simply insert god into the next mystery. Also, generally atheists will claim that there is no god in reference to the personal god as the very idea is asinine when subjected to scrutiny. As for a creator of some sort, nobody should assert anything.

I totally agree. If there was a god, why would he let innocent babies and children die in gas chambers during world war 2?? It makes me sick

blah Gomez LOL wow are you stupid

How does it make me stupid that a God would let all of this happen to his children

hawklord2001 So much this... and somethng about god working in mysterious ways.

Ever since the fall, mankind has done horrendous things and mankind continues to rebel against God. Just because God lets humanity do certain things, it doesn't mean he approves of them. God is all-knowing and gave humanity a chance through Jesus Christ. Please pray man for what God has blessed you with and may continue blessing you with. Faith in God is the first step.

it's not the reading it's the act of doing.This world is so full of fools.

@@allangrant6349 Huh?

Very intelligent statement

It's more correct to say it's littered with ineffective application of the books that have been read cover-to-cover. They were read, but never applied. Whether by starry-eyed initiates or jaded adherents thinking their salvation is in condemning others. See @Lycanite's response below about reading Harry Potter. Or perhaps try reading a Kung Fu manual and see if it makes you a martial artist capable of defending yourself against an enemy.

One day you will choke on your own tongue.Be very careful on what you say as every word and deed we do won't go unpunished.

Still seems to matter to the Creationists. You can't start out with Jesus, just because it's the only part you're comfortable with.

Karl Addis of course it counts. It is how we know Jesus is who he claimed to be. Jesus said the Pslams and Prophets wrote about his coming. The OT is essential. I wouldn’t have giving my life to Jesus if I didn’t have the OT to look back on. In fact the apostles referred to the OT to make sense of it all. Shalom

@@onestepaway3232 How do you reconcile the endorsements of slavery, gang rape, genocide and brutality of the God of the Old Testament with the belief he is a loving God after Jesus arrived?

@@logan7243 There are no "endorsements" of any of those things. There's the acknowledgement that they happen, and historical record keeping of such, but it doesn't tell followers to "Go take slaves and rape them," or anything of the like.

@@logan7243 lols.. What a dumbass🤔

Narek Avetisyan nice one

@@hangedman821 no u

The irony..

@FLOWER Facts. Why can't people understand that concept?!?!

@El-Khalifa El-Hamdi Not all atheists care about evolution, etc. Also, atheism is merely the lack of belief in a God. That's it. Just because we don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is automatically your particular god.

There is a rule about every religion: ask questions they will ask you to leave, or they will kill you

Thats a rule about life . . . Ask too many questions in: Christianity A Supermarket A watch store A gym Your grandparents house . . . and you'll be asked to leave.

_Christianism?_ LOL? Didn't.. didn't we have a name for Christianity already? The lengths...

+Nicholas, I left the church as a teenager. I don't have many questions for your average theist, anymore. What are your questions for atheists?

in Islam you ll be killed ...

Derek Slade Christianity isn’t in the Bible but Christian is

The best cure for Islam is reading the Koran.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

@@Seekthetruth3000 the best cure for you is a condom

@@jceqecsxus2456 LOL

@Barthelemy Lazerlips - That's.......kind of an oxymoron and a contradiction all rolled into one, but Okay! If nobody understands the Bible, then we have no reason to invest any attention into it, right? Thanks for that.

I knew a wizard once, he turned me into a newt Don't look at me like that! I got better :P

God if only it worked like that!

You're a wizard Harry

shouldn't the logic be: I read Harry Potter cover to cover and now I am NOT a wizard!? xD

MadGameCowe The rest of this person's implied comment is /s (aka sarcasm intended).

Right, so now you feel free to commit all the sins you want without consequences.

@@ralphlitton8521 No, because I have common sense to not do bad things.

​@@ralphlitton8521 Even if we believed that we are free to commit all the "sins" we want without consequences, that doesn't mean that we actually WANT to commit any "sin" at all. In the end, maybe we have more "faith" in humanity than you.

I still wondered about that.

Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. A lot actually, it just doesn’t name out each of them. But in Genesis 5, when it goes into the genealogies of Adam, it says that he had other sons and daughters. So essentially Cain probably married one of his sisters, or one of his siblings’s offspring.

Fair Question though

One of the first commands of God was “go forth and multiply” So you can assume thats what they did, spread across the earth and have children

Evan Pete Sounds like a lot of incest

Ben Huba In 9th grade they made me question without realising it, by the end of that year I was an atheist

@@ashh8893 same this girl was giving a specch that god chose your path im like bruh your a human being you choose what you do god does not give a shit about you if anyone

Tell me why?

Alex Parrish Because logic and reasoning always beats blind faith

Jay N I never have had blind faith. That’s a complete lie atheist want you to believe. Tell me your top two points on why you don’t believe in god?

Trying to read it as nothing more than a rule book results only in legalism.

Yeh, it's a pretty sad story, God just rescued them and then they completely shove it in his face, no one looks good in that story and I'm sorry that God's love looked so distant, but I don't think God forgot it. 3,000 lives lost on the day the manifestation of God as fire fell on Mt Sinai, but when God manifested himself as fire in the New Testament (Acts 2) 3,000 souls are saved... Interesting, or maybe, you know, it could just be a coincidence...

@@justinwright1745 But a Just God implies that he will bring Justice for wrongdoing, right? And is Hell punishment for people who don't want to be with God, or is it where they actually want to be? If people don't want to spend eternity with him, why would he force them to be in a place where he is eternally there?

@@jacobcashmore9508 So is God is clearly capricious as hell. He just sends them to hell and welp just changed it later. God is an idiot if he is all powerful and can't do better than this.

@@jacobcashmore9508 So he brings Justice to those wrongdoing huh? Like those millions of children who die before the age of five, or the ones that get molested? Did they deserve that. How is me not wanted to spend eternity on my knees with a God who isn't worthy of my respect deserving of eternity in torture. I'm all for paying for my wrongdoings, but there's no way what I do in 80 years is going to be worth eternity of punishment. That is the most ridiculously stupid story ever conceived.

She is right. Without faith in the gospel Gods Word remains a sealed book. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (1 cor 2:14). There are also other reasons for not understanding passages, but enmity towards Gods testimony should be the main reason for seeing Gods word as mainly law/rules or "non sense". Its hard to understand or receive the message if we at the same time are busy resisting and fleeing God. But when the enmity has ceased and the soul rests in the testimony of the crucified and resurrected savior, Gods Son, Jesus Christ, one starts to be more receptive, and makes a proper distinction between law and gospel (which is more than just intellectual work, as it has to do with knowing God through Christ), and the idoltry of the mind stops (="i know better than God how things should be" or "a real God wouldnt come to us in the form of a rejected poor carpenters son" or viewing God as some kind of Hitler, not seeing Gods amazing selfsacrificing love through Jesus Christ). Instead of resisting one needs to be convicted of sin and surrender to (or rather flee to) Gods love in Jesus Christ. Suddenly the bible isnt just a difficult book, but words of the living God, and the pieces of the puzzle starts to make sense. Suddenly one sees God in Jesus Christ, and God as love and not as some kind of unrighteus Judge, suddenly one admits sin as sin, and find comfort in the gospel. Even religious people can have problem with all this and sometimes the resistance against God is most severe in religious people as they can be proud before God and find comfort in their religious activites rather than in the cross and the empty tomb, "Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." (2 cor 3:12-18).

Those who wear blinkers shall never see the light of the truth. My mother was the same.

volkswin And i thought believers were crazy when i wasnt a believer, and when i became a believer people who used to flock around me was like "he has become one of them". Obviously there are some kind of war going on behind the curtains

internetsurfer777 Being crucified to resurrect 3 days later is not much compared to hell for all eternity. It would have been more efficient to not create a hell in the very first place. Throwing someone to hel for evcer and ever for not obeying, is not what i would call free will. Its the very contrary. Its like me saying "Sign this contract, or i will shoot you!" You may not sign the contract (free will?), but you will be killed afterwards for doing so. This is not what id call an all loving god. This is what we call a mafia boss. And Allah is even worse. At the time when monotheistic people were stoning adulterers, there were religions in asia, that were indeed peaceful and caring. Not like yahwe or allah.

Soundcomplex Jesus death was not just any other torture killing of some martyr. The suffering of Jesus includes more components, like a) the God the eternal Son became like us, took on human nature, out of free will, this suffering or humiliation starts at the moment of incarnation. He came down from the seat of God (Joh 8:42) from the high position of glory (Joh 17:5) b) he didnt have to do this. we are just born becuase of reproduction. he was born into the world to save it. c) when he came to the world he avoided using the might and power he has all the time since he is God almighty.. and not only did he avoid to use it all the time, he put it aside to be like us, to be in our condition, d) God is not under the law (Gal 4:4), under the commandments, since he is the Lawgiver, but God the Son willingly put himself under the law, under the commandments, so that there will be one man who will keep the law. This way everyone who dies trusting in his free gift is declared holy in the eyes of God and "inherit" the kingdom of God, that is, receive it AS IF we deserve it. We depend on his righteousness, which could only be ours if he left his high position to place himself under the law. e) during life he was tempted, though God the Son has no reason to be in a place where he gets tempted, but he came to us, kept the law and didnt fall into any sin (Joh 9:46; Heb 4:15; Heb 9:14) f) he wasnt ever forced to die the most shameful death. he gave his own life out of free will (joh 10:18). martyrs die because cruel people capture them or because they endure persecution unto death for something they believe in. Gods Son on the other hand said he gave his own life out of free will, not for his own sake or for a good cause, but for sinners, yes his own enemies (Rom 5:6-8). So its an act of free will and love, not somethign he had to do for his own sake or was forced to do. Moreover: g) his suffering didnt start at the crucifiction moment, but at his incarnation, and followed by his temptations, the enmity he met, the very intense affliction and anguish he had in ghetsemany, when his pain was so great he showed signs of ematidrosis, a condition in some people suffering extreme levels of stress, when blood comes out together with sweat. While doing this he was also obeying God the Father, and prayed "your will be done, not mine". h) though he could be on the almighty throne in heaven, he was down here on earth, crying, sweating, having ungodly people dress him in a crown of thorns, hit him and mock him, giving him so harsh brutal treatment with whipping etc that he died much earlier than people usually died during crucifictions (Mark 15:44-45; Joh 19:33) i) at the last hours the entire city had turned against him, his discipled was scared and fled, the people who walked by the site mocked him, the priests mocked him, the roman soldiers mocked him, even the thieves mocked him. j) and yet the things described so far is nothing compared to the greatest of pains, and the aim of all this, that he was to die in the place of sinners. this means the agony at the cross was so great because he experienced Gods wrath over sin that he cried out "My God My God why have you forsaken me". He was not experienced physical pain and horror and humiliation but actually experiencing Gods wrath over sin, that means, not just one sin, or all sins in one human, but every sin for every human. Jesus Christ "becoming a curse for us"(Gal 3:13). Heaven will be filled with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, evildoers, homosexuals, sexual immoral people, murderers, wretch people of all kind.. because Jesus Christ is their righteousness. "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ" (2 Cor 5:19). THe guys who end up in hell are those who reject this free gift. They prefer a life in sin, pride, idolatry. The condition: Death is not a natural thing. Death is unnatural. Humans were created to live forever. People die because there is sin in the world, because we are all sinners (Rom 6:23; Eph 2). No one enherits the kingdom of God by "obeying". We enherit the kingdom of God by receiving a gift which is given to us, in repentful hearts, rejoicing over Gods free gift, and as a fruit of this faith we start to obey God and become more and more sanctified. Your image "sign this paper or ill shoot you" does not work. Grace and saving faith has does not build on fear only, but of thankfulness, assurance, joy, peace, a new life. If we study the Bible this would be a more proper image Someone comes to a criminal and says: "You have commited awful crimes all your life and we can prove it by reading the law for you, you are about to be brought before the Judge, but the Judge has a big heart, he has both payed your debts and payed for the best Lawyer in the country who will speak for you, and we know that this Judge is not a liar but a honest man who never lies, and he is full of love and mercy - Now stop burning down the house of the Judge, stop spitting on the contract with the Lawyer, stop committing new crimes, but instead rejoice! be glad! change your ways, for you dont have to suffer your juste punishment for your crimes"

Bär Honigfeld Me too! I didn't consider myself a christian before reading the bible but still I held the book in some sort of reverence. Only three-four pages in, my mind was going "WTFWTFWTFWTF? There are people who take this seriously??". Took me three months to finish the whole thing.

Very very few people ever read it cover to cover. I think people tend to stick to a religion because of the culture heritage and tradition. We all have familial and social rituals, some stem from religion.

***** take your meds man... its going to be alright

So it's the latter, why have it? I don't understand when people are so expressive about being atheist, I understand for Muslims, Hindus, Christians etc because there's a cultural, social aspect to religion but you and I don't have atheist meetings in a nonreligious building to read from our mundane book and discus how we believe the universe was created (though I do like to think about that from time to time) so there's no real bond of seeing another atheist as there is for other religious beliefs

***** I've been to church and mosque many times and have only come across nice people. I don't deny dogma exists but to fight it with more dogma isn't going to solve anything ask Stalin

Same. Makes it easier too haha

Thats like saying taking math lessons made You stop believing in math!( cus you didnt understand it or had a evil strickt teacher) Maby you should stop going to school and learn by yourself

So true LOL

I went to a catholic school, and seeing how much stupid shit they talked about there, I re-thought my concept of Christianity, and my faith grew stronger than ever, much stronger than those superstitious hypocrites. Some people give up, others patiently look around for answers.

For real

I had the absolute SAME experience !

Source: trust me bro

That's great....just remember because you don't understand doesn't mean it not true. The more I read the more I believe. An d the fact the preacher seemed or was insecure doesn't mean you know more about the Bible...if you REALLY knew.,,you'd KNOW Christ is the Living Son of God.

@@donnaporter9865 The more I read the less I believe. The Christian Bible is a joke. If you think that the one preacher was the impetus for me not believing, not true. That occurred 11 years after I stopped believing. If you weren't so deluded, you'd stop believing, you'd understand.

​@@bigkaris912no need for a source dumb S😂

Congrats. You are a born again rationalist.

Good for you Sir! :)

Appreciate it folks, I feel my I.Q building by the day!

Yeah right.. Tell me what part made you doubt it?

***** Maybe it was the part where it says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and his ribs.

But who has the authority? People don't. God does because the universe is His.

@@eltigre249 Prove your god or shut the fuck up!

@@MrKit9 yeah tell that religtard!!whoooo!!!😎😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😈🔥🔥

@@eltigre249 yeah buddy that is still murder

A nonexistent god definitely has no authority over anything.

mlg4035 Good or bad agenda?

This is an interpretation

There are those who can see the error in our thinking and wish to help us in our understanding. Isn't that what we had when we went to school? Yet, I do believe that for most of us, we wish to figure things out ourselves and reject the help that some try to give us. Our free will causes us to often learn the hard way. I do believe we each must learn to be discerning here. Most of us leave out the greatest element that allows us to discern as we were designed.

Interpretation means the action of explaining the meaning of something. Grow a brain bro and follow GOD

@@Unprofitable. Yes it does mean that, and the point is still valid. People coming to you trying to explain religion to you _obviously_ have an agenda. Now stop shoving your religion down people's throats, not cool

@trueman mann what about god testing abraham to kill isaac

truman mann: since it is YOU christians who claim innocence for children please, please tell me what crime those children of villages slaughtered by the will of god did to deserve it and how are they any different from any child today? And YES, I've read the bible cover to cover, several times.

trueman mann: What you said about Abraham and his son made zero, nada, sense. What justification could there EVER be for a god to ask someone to kill their own child? And why? Doesn't your "god" already know what Abraham was going to do? Why the testing? Testing is done when one DOESN'T know the answer.

And that's just the tip of the killing berg.

If people thought of God that way, then it would be irrational, but people don't think of God that way. Jesus, man, get a clue.

I've had people accuse me of lying when I've told them about the "not peace but a sword" quote.

Mounted Dragoon lol yeah. How about the one where the woman has to have her hand cut off for grabbing a dude's dick during a fight? That's a real Gem. They really just don't know their own stories.

I try to visualize that, it's just so bizarre.

Mounted Dragoon yep, and a perfect all-knowing All-Seeing all loving omniscient omnipotent creature decided to tell a dude to write that shit down.... Because you know... That is very important to know that women shouldn't grab dudes by the dick when they're fighting... Super important.

hahah jajaj im the devil God pride and wrath king king of the universe earth and hell im happy 4 u

Ask me any question and I just might help you restore your curiosity.

You are not a child any more. Do not let a bunch of fearmongers stop you from seeking the Divine. Seek and ye shall find, good luck.

@@jeffforsythe9514 omg🙄

​@@jeffforsythe9514I have a question 🙋 Would u want your raped child to marry the rapist bcz God says so 😌

Well said man, Christians always say that if you read the Bible than you will regain faith in god, but people who say that have never read the Bible themselves and have just been told all the good about it but has never been told about all the f*cked up things about.

I'm sorry you didn't have good Bible teachers and believers that helped you to experience Jesus, Holy Spirit and God's glory, I have read the Bible 4 times and the more I read it and the more study history and philosophy finding answers the stronger my faith has become. I was able to understand why God doesn't stop evil, why bad things happen to good people, finding with those answers forgiveness, compassion, and true peace. It is only when I focus my eyes in only human bad behaviour when I can become depressed, then I look at Jesus and I find hope for humanity and again love, compassion, forgiveness and spiritual peace. Humanity has tried to live without God until now, not achieving complete peace, love and harmony, all efforts to achieve these have been futile as history continues to be written. I'm absolutely sure that achieving these altruistic goals will never be possible without humanity accepting Jesus in their hearts.

Of course many cultures before and even after Jesus have had and still altruistic moral values. I didn't say the opposite. Still, Jesus has been the only man that have claimed to be God, performed miracles, died and resurrected. If you study history there is enough proof of these facts, not to mention that there are still people being martyred for believing in Him.

@@luzdivina2706 So you saw his miracles first hand? Did you manage to get a selfie on your phone with him? I see no proof of what the bible claims and anybody can become a martyr if they are stupid enough. Religion in general is responsible for more and bloodier war than anything else in history.... FULL STOP

@@paulstrahan4670 men are responsible for making religion evil, no all of them, it starts with hate, even just hateful speech like yours. Because of Jesus I forgive you for making fun of my faith. The Bible says True and undefiled religion is to help orphans and widows on their need.

Fabulously accurate Pen!

Same here. forced into bible studies on the weekend till i was 13 then i had enough. This kid that was the same age as me would join in the study. 6 months later saw him skating by, i waved and said whats up. He rode past... thought he didnt hear me. The second time he was walking, went to shake his hand and greet and he pertended like i was a ghost lol. fucking cults

Riff McClavin yep!

@@RA82828 I wouldn't say religious beliefs balance the population, I would say they create a crisis of possible overpopulation. Almost all the Christians say the same thing, "Be fruitful and multiply." The Christian coalition is responsible for stamping out possible safe sex practices such as condoms, Catholicism etc. If anything, religious ideologies breeds overpopulation, not a population balance.

Why do you think Mormons in general have such large families. I got sucked into it by having five children, paying tithes and giving up my time. Organized religion is the spawn of Satan. @@nunisthathigh4825

Zzzzzz... It is scary as hell to think critically,safer to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy until parents tell you the truth and you are heart broken after that

Lol

We do that is why we are Christians. History has disproven this idea.

Religion forbids critical thinking tho sadly.

bulldogsbob do you read leviticus and deuteronomy regurarly? Or just the gospels?

I wondered what happened to this "idiot" then? He surely was completely ignorant to read and follow the Bible and then create art from it, don't you agree? -- "I am a Christian and in fact a Roman Catholic.....the Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work." -JRR Tolkien, Author of the Lord of The Rings and The Hobbit

Thumbs up # 50. Reading the Bible used to make me so mad.

Alan Crook yup! Me too !!!

Alan Crook Sounds very familiar.

Eternity With Christ Being an atheist has nothing to do with wanting to sin, I'm an atheist and I am a very nice person who helps out in the community and has never hurt a fly. You know WHY I do that? Because I am actually nice, not because I'm afraid I'll burn in hell if I don't. If the only reason you're being nice/don't sin is because you're afraid of god, then you are not really a nice person. So you can keep that hypocritical moral superiority and stick it where the sun don't shine.

I was looking for this comment. Atheists intepreting literally the old testament word for word are just as bad as christians that do the same thing. They dont realize it but both are fanatics. The atheists are taking it to the the next level by replacing relegion with something else. The most common is science or nihilism and turn them into relegion.

@Shane Patrick The solution is simple. Every modern person must be able to wear multiple hats. That means that one must be able to have common sence and think with structured logic and critical thinking. Within everyone must exist a strict mathematical thinking alongside a spiritualness that represents everything that is unknown to the person. Without spiritualness we turn into cynics and cynicism turns into greed and today we are living its consequenses more than ever. The bible and more specifically the old testament, which I assume you are refering to, carries deep knowledge and tradition of many thousands of years, even from the first civilizations of mesopotamia, which have passed the test of time. Even if you dont believe in god or disagree with them, you need to know those stories and understand them because they shaped the world as you know it. The new testament, at the very least, is a story of self sacrifice, a hard pill even for those that claim to believe in Jesus. Personally, the first time I read it for myself, it blew my mind and I completely disagree with you. Also, if you have the stomach, I suggest you read "The Brothers Karamazov". It will teach you more than anyone on the internet.

Penn just might find out the hard way, hope not.

@@-gearsgarage- The RC Church removed reincarnation from Christianity in the fourth century leaving everyone scratching their heads trying to understand why some of us are born crippled and poor and others healthy and rich. The Bible, religion and the Lord are three totally different things. My faith is in the Lord.

So they misinterpreted it but you didn’t?

ComandanteJ I know. Here you admit to being one or the other someone's going to treat you like shit and claim to be better than you. I've traveled to a lot of religious and atheistic countries and they don't care. They love and accept you.

Exactly, just dont force your religion (or lack of) on anyone else

If that threw you for a loop you should check out Numbers 31. Pay attention to the part where 32 people are sacrificed as a part of the "heave offering" it's verses 40-41.

Bryan G. yep. Sacrificing people sounds like murder and killing. So this throws me off even more.

@Bryan G, why do you say that's a human sacrifice? The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 men given to the Levite tribe as tribute -- the word used was "mekhec", translated as "tribute" or "tax". (The Levites were the tribe of priests who didn't fight in Moses' wars, but who were still promised a portion of the spoils. Individual Levites were able to claim slaves for themselves as spoils of war, and the 32 you mentioned were given as a tribute to God and were retained by the tribe through Eleazar the high priest). "...16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 31: 40-41) If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right. btw, the word is spelled "eradicate".

I said to check out the chapter Numbers 31 and pointed out the verses that said what was given to the priests. You stated,"The verses you cite were part of an itemized list of spoil plundered from the Mideanites, which included 32 *men* given to the Levite tribe as tribute" None of them were men... none. Numbers 31: 35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of *women* that had not known man by lying with him. "If you're going to cite the Bible, you should at least get it right." You see what you did there? Right?? "btw, the word is spelled "eradicate"." I am guessing you were trying to take a jab at me but were so foaming at the mouth you didn't even realize I didn't say that. Is that correct? If you want to understand my point of view a little more perhaps you should just check it out for yourself. I am not alone in this opinion and it it pretty easy to find online. Why defer to the "just go look it up for yourself"? You don't appear to be able keep track of what you yourself are saying, much less what I am. I do realize it is the equivalent of telling someone to go read the bible and to do some personal research themselves but I won't argue with someone who doesn't understand what they themselves are saying half the time. Best of luck to you.

@@DaveGIS123 BTW, if you're American, punctuation goes INSIDE quote marks, and inside the parenthesis if it contains a complete sentence.

me too xx

There are always going to be people who assume they're right... I became an atheist by reading the bible, by thinking about it.

+Zachary Clark And do you know the prophet of Islam's name is in the Bible ? I recommend you to check it out, you won't lose anything :)

try reading a science book

+Zachary Clark Have you ever watched a natural history documentary?

Isn't that what we're supposed to do, though? To "go forth and make disciples" as the Great Comission says? Personally, that's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, thing I hate about my faith. I feel like I'm obligated to sell a product that many people need but nobody wants.

@@instagib783 we are not salesman. We are advocates and to show what they are missing by being a good example and loving others while they are yet sinners.

@@jomormont "sinners" I didn't read the christian bible i read the torah and i dont get why they talk about people who dont believe in their religion as if they are another species

MARV congratulations ! I bet u felt truly free and limitless in that moment

Well you will divinely be judged by God according to the lies Satan has fed you and you chose it. Remember if you end up in Hell what I'm telling you. Jesus Christ is healing people today through His people, I have seen deaf ears opened, people in wheelchairs get up and start pushing them, and demons come out of people at the name of Jesus. What is this all about then stupid? Jesus is God. Try to dismiss the 300 spoken descriptions of who Jesus is and what He will do thousands of years before He came to earth and did it. You can't run from God you will end up in Hell.

He needs some dmt

@@scottwill6498 I would like to see these two talk, Penn and Howard Storm. www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html

@Ninja TypesTooFast What's he doing? Saying convert or die? Internet preaching isn't forceful. It's not like the pixels will make you convert. There is solid proof of God, and there is enough proof of the Resurrection to put it beyond reasonable doubt.

Shalom...my name is Aure

Mine was for a german beer brand where they said something like: "At least something you can believe in" Oddly fitting as well

@@schrodingerskatze6192 Brilliant! Love it! Cheers

What is Israel?

It's a tailored commercial for the viewer. That being YOU.

I'm doing quite alright here in the closet. I brought snacks.

Don’t forget to pray before you eat

Dancing Madman are you Christian now?

No, and I never will be

I wish if i could but my environment is so obsessed with religion if i criticised it they will hate me and see me like an ignorant and i don't think that i am smart enough or have great social skills to debate about a dangerous topic

The old testament is not responsible, the old testament is Israel's history before Jesus, to really understand what happened and why it happened it is necessary to study history, philosophy and even understand relevant science concepts. Nowadays there are abundant sources, historians, philosophers, scientists, etc. even here in youtube where anyone who really thinks critically will find answers. The times of believing without thinking are gone for many of us. I believe not only because of my spiritual experience, but because I have researched answer to my questions and studied for several years the reasons for the faith that is in me.

Not if you have the wisdom to understand it. Seeking the Divine is a very arduous task but all good things are not easy.......falundafa

I prefer Patton Oswald's sky cake. Not all religious people are stupid btw.

Polly Pockets Of course. Met so many intelligent religious people. You are correct. ...but man! Dense ones are superbly annoying and a big black spot to progress and reality.

Raag Amat I agree with Mark Twain in fact the bible says the samething “Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

@@apologetics2785 describes christians perfectly.

Kit Cumbie atheism*

Have you scrutinized your beliefs? I had and because of it I can easily defend my faith in Jesus.

I am a Christian and will try to give you an answer. May I start by stating these are very good questions! To paraphrase - I think you are asking Does God knowingly predestine people to Hell? As you've indicated - if he is 'all-knowing' then it definitely seems like the answer is Yes. But if I could nudge you to take it one step further and question why that is and what kind of God would allow that. I believe God finds no satisfaction in people going to Hell and that it actually devastates him. Consider this. You have a child and you raised that child the best you can teaching him to be honest, safe and good in life. But later you see that child about to do something that you know is going to hurt him. You try to stop him but his pride overtakes and he ends up hurting himself. You saw it coming the whole time but ultimately - that child is in pain and now, so are you. I believe God interacts and feels this same way. In this video, I think Penn is more focused on the old testament which as he states, has a lot of horrible stories. But if you look at the new testament and in particular, the words of Jesus, he explains why those things of the old testament happened and what it really means. The true Christian belief is that it devastates God to see people go to hell. It hurts him so much that he sent Jesus. I know this opens up many other questions like God’s omnipotent power, etc. Impossible to talk about it in a youtube comment but msg me if you want to chat.

The answer is that we choose hell rather than to trust in God. We chose to perish when we chose to sin and rebel against God. So in essence, when we sin we inherit the faith of the one who we forfeited the earth to (Satan) because we chose to do evil instead of choosing to trust in God and do good. He chose to give us a way out through faith (trusting in Him) which is where Adam failed in the Garden.

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Cavemantero We don't choose to go to hell, god sends us there. Imagine someone points a gun at you and tells you to give them your money, and you say no, so they shoot you, did they shoot you, or by your logic did you shoot yourself because you didn't fulfill their demands, god is the shooter if you don't worship him fulfilling his demands he shoots (sends you to hell) and yet people say we send ourselves there smh

*A Google Account* Well, I believe a closer analogy would be to see God as a father, a comparison that was briefly mentioned above. He tells you that you're living your life in a way that, while very likely satisfying and enjoyable for you, is ultimately not the best thing for you overall. Naturally, we humans have a tendency to vehemently oppose instructions that go against things we personally want to do or enjoy, resulting in a lot of pushback against God's presence in our lives. As a simplified version of the situation, we are told that we can either come home and be with him (through Jesus), or choose to be 'free/independent' from him. Important to note that this choice has to have been made before death. God's influence is permanently affecting the physical world, so we currently live in a place with the potential for both good and evil. However, once we pass on, it's either one way or the other. Now, for an atheist (or any non-Christian), naturally you wouldn't love God or Jesus, or even believe in them, so by default you'd choose to be away from Him. The only problem here is that good only exists in the presence of God. Because you've chosen independence from Him, He sends you to the only place that meets the requirement of being away from his presence, Hell. It's not a place of torture for torture's sake, it's just that being separated from God's influence of good, only evil can exist there. Of course, there is also the duality of God as both father AND judge, with Hell as both a person's desired place away from God as well as their punishment for sin, but that'd be further reading if you were interested.

read the Quran ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1dn60yPZG3A.html

I can never understand people who would read about natural selection, and still be athiests

@@solomonx2061 You don't understand much. My dog's morning shit is brighter than you!

​@@solomonx2061why? What's contradicting between the notion of natural selection and the disbelief in a God who does the selection?

Care to explain why the solution for Pi is a non-repeating infinite number and why infinity exists without inciting the name of God or why we have an imagination and where it came from? Not trying to be condescending so don't take it that way, I just feel it is a valid area of analysis. Here is a thought that may make you see God in a different light. God is said to be celestial so why would anything a human being said hold any weight if the interpretation doesn't equate to simply asking God? Your right humans do not have the power or authority to dictate what God means or who God is. I refer to God as God myself because I believe gender is a limitation and I believe God is without limitation and organized religion places limitations extremely well on God. Honestly the reason I cannot understand why atheism should be valid is it creates a paradox in my mind in which you must first acknowledge the existence of God before denying he exists and you have to have an extreme level of faith as it is more reliant on God's existence than any other philosophical belief in order to validate it in your own mind. So I went the road less traveled by everyone, combine every religion into a whole understanding and then I got it and no it is not at all what preachers tell you and honestly I got this idea from asking God. The ultimate message is not how to get to heaven that is instinctual, not bigotry and hatred, all I got from it all was to simply ask God not humans. Only God can answer questions you have about God no one else, they can help you by telling you how they took it but if they ever say "because God said so" or "because God don't like it" then they are an idiot and will never see what I am talking about. If it all still sounds crazy to you then you know your not really ready to take on that heavy of a question. I personally believe God is real but that God does not conform to a standardized idea or an extremely fucked up narrative exploited by so many people, but is much more than any one book, religion or person could cover.

Frank, if you knew enough to know that they were doing it wrong, why didn’t you decide to do it right instead of not doing it all? How is that any better?

evilcowboy Your premise that atheism is the denial of “God” is faulty from the outset. Atheism is simply the position of not having an affirmative belief in any “God” because the person is unpersuaded due to lack of evidence and the dubiousness of the arguments in favor of a “God” - it does _not_ begin with acceptance of a “God” proposition which is subsequently denied. Accordingly, your philosophical assertions about atheism somehow presenting a “paradox” are logically fallacious and easily dismissed.

@@valhalla7408 That's the cop-out atheists now use since they've found no way to defend the idea of "no God"

C.S. Unger Wrong again - typical theist projection - you’re the one engaged in a “cop out”, since you like other theists are inevitably trying to shift the burden of proof. You are the one claiming there is a “God”, so *prove it* . Atheists simply don’t believe your theistic claims and assertions without evidence.

D.J. Wilson yup

What questions did he have? I could answer those for you with intelligent answers! :) I am a believer and a Baptist.

One guy didn’t have answers for your (or your sons) questions about religion, and you quit? So, actually you think that every believer should know answer to question regarding God? Maybe you just want a reason not to go there any more. God have mercy on your soul

@@Vani9999 lol Christianity? Prove your religion is right..your religion is confusing..thank god I’m a Muslim

Nice, getting your sources from comedians instead of theologians and philosophers is always a great idea 👍

@@benlee5039 nice one

@@benlee5039 Are you saying that their research is incorrect? If so please feel free to show me otherwise with factual information. Just because they are comedians doesn't mean they are not intelligent or informed.

@@paulstrahan4670 I never said that they were unintelligent or uninformed, I'm simply stating that getting religious information from comedians isn't as reliable as getting it from those who spend thousands of dollars to get a degree in religious studies. Im not going to go into the details of if God is real or not, because I can write a whole book on it and not change your mind on it, but looking at both sides of the argument is generally a good idea and not being biased.

@@benjaelee What's the difference in some of the information given when you compare common folk to religious enthusiasts and historians? If you see a discrepancy, that discrepancy may be wrong but that doesn't mean everything that person says is anyway. Check everything yourself.

I genuinely think that it was suppose to be more of a tale a story maybe a children's fable to keep in mind and scare them into good behaviour rather than something to truly believe in or accept as reality. But clearly someone took it too seriously as humans are kmown for with anything and started wars over it and got people who didnt know any better and were insecure and hopeless to listen and have hope that their life wasnt pointless suffering or whatever and that they were cared about and special vs some peasant feeling the weight of the world. Its a nice way to basically shurk off all responsibility and consequences and whatnot and feel like special or chosen or different in the same way that teen or young adult coming of age sort of novels preach to teens having a horrid time not fully child not fully adult weird hormones and social shit love the reassurance of heroines and normal people finding out their magical or royalty or something that makes all the bs worth it. Basically the bible is just a old school fairytale. Most religion is a mixture of that and an instruction manual on how not to get sick or die like have sex with your eternal soulmate only (because then you wont die of syphilis or have fucked up kids) dont eat unclean meats or do certain things cause SIN but actually youll get sick and die or end up regretting it etc. Like rest each week or youll die of overwork be grateful for what you have so you can be happy and love and help thy neighbour because then youll have strng community who can also watch out for you etc like a lot of the "good" stuff or rules are more just common sense and morals that we all innately have it really is just a fairytale telling you not to take food from strangers or tell lies or wander into the woods or off on general as a child. Like i feel sorry for people who cling to it but as long as they arent harming others their delusions are as important as anyone else using it as a coping mechanism for pain or hopelessness. Its why when i see teens or even adults who are like obssessed with books or movies or cosplay im really careful to sprak that enthusiasm and joy and not sjit on it like a lot of adults would as immature or not real or whatever because belief and joy and escapism in something is super important to humans. Our spirit or soul or whatever needs somwthing to love and look forward to and get lost in. But yeah i wish religious people would get lost in fandoms that dont start actual wars and kill people that arent them and abuse their power act in goverments and take advantage of those they claim to want to help like children teens unwed mothers homeless etc because the church any church hides so many sins and perpetrates them theyre the reason for the dark ages ffs. And so many wars if not all of them to some degree. Like if their is a magic being behind the book theyre not on humanities side. Maybe powerful rich men but noone else. You can tell it was written by patriarchal men. The fact that any females are religious at all is mental.

Most people do not have the wisdom to understand the Bible............falundafa

One example is around my son who has a seizure disorder. She tells me it’s demonic and that I need to find an exorcist. All her logic, compassion, and time for her grandchildren - gone. She spends all her time alone with her Bible and that’s how she likes it.

Nicolle Olafson is it evangelical or evil Angelical.

You need to find another mother. Anyone who hurts their family because of religion isn't worth having around!

Look up Gene kim

@@MrKit9 We should honor our father and mothet no matter what.

You really have reached a stage I've always wanted to reach but am still struggling. I hope I will get there one day

Well, that would make you an idiot then, wouldn't it? I've also read the bible from cover to cover several times, and I didn't pick and choose while doing so. It's also apparent that you don't read all that well, since you didn't make a simple "typo" when you claimed to have read "BELTRAN Russell and so on". It's BERTRAND Russell, which strongly implies that when YOU read something, you DON'T get it right. Perfect confirmation for me.

@@geneladner8123 Hahahaha. "Beltran" was came up from the auto-correct which is in multilingual. So no biggies there. So, the only way to not be an idiot is to read the Bible and be an atheist. That makes you a rabid radical fundamentalist atheist. Anyways, let's get into this. I strongly doubt you have ever read the Bible from cover to cover. I bet, you cannot even tell me Jesus' nickname, or Moses' original name.,but that's fine I will pretend to believe what you said. I have actually read the Bible in its original context like the NT in light of second temple Judaism, the targum and the Septuagint, and it is fascinating and rich what you find in the New testament and in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). So, I don't cherry-pick portions of the Bible I read the 66 books i(including the apocrypha) in their original context and everything makes sense. The Bible only does not make sense to rabid radical fundamentalist atheists, and that is because they have never read it. The Bible is the most amazing and harmonious library which has shaped the lives of people and influenced cultures and civilization. That's why the Bible has been, is and will always be, the most influential library (not a book, because the Bible is not a book) in History. I have never ever met an atheist that has actually read the Bible (aside from my professors and a few other people). that old line from Isaac Asimov saying: "the way to be an atheist is to read the Bible" has gotten old already. So I repeat, No atheist (with very few exceptions) has ever even touched the Bible.

@@joelrodriguez1232 You are wrong; although to be honest l did skip through Numbers in places which got to be pretty redundant. Reading it revealed the petty tribalism at the heart of it, as well as the immorality of the Hebrew take on the devine. The fall from grace is ludicrous; Abraham is insane; we now know that the entire bondage in Egypt story is without one shred of archeological evidence and is just a story to justify the genocide that follows; and Jesus was just a carpenter -- if that -- since no savior is needed to redeem a fall that never happened. I would never claim to be a Bible expert but my personal experience in conversing with believers is that l often am more knowledgeable about what their horrid book contains than they are. Seems too many have this nonsense drilled into their heads when children then walk around knowing only a few of the Greatest Hits they remember from Bible School. This accounts why so many adult theists suddenly sound like dull children reciting badly written fairy tales when talking about their religious convictions. It's something that we as a species should work to move past.

@@dolnick7 Your comment exemplifies what I just said. Atheists have never read the Bible. Going off of what some Christians (who are Biblically illiterate) say and then claim to understand the Bible is ludicrous. I never hear anybody talk about the exilic, pre-exilic and post exilic period, the development of the kingdom(s), the birth of Israel as a nation, the minor and major prophets, the intertestamental period, epistolary segments and so on and so forth. It is not about cherry-picking and talking about the passages that you do not like, but it is about taking the Bible seriously and paying attention to the narrative from the big picture point of view. To say that the Bible is a horrid book shows the shallow reading you have done about on Bible. The Bible is not a book but a library like I stated above. so it cannot be a "book " of fairy-tales. Even if there were fairy tales (which I dispute) you would have to show me which section of this vast library that we call the Bible. For example if I say that the library of congress contains garbage , that would make me look like an idiot because I have not read every single book from the Library of Congress.

Don't diss Santa, he'll deliver you a piece of coal!

Coops I have bags of that shit, and Santa told me their was a diamond inside, he's a lying fuck.

Dave Scott Well technically he was right! I remember one Christmas, Santa came to my room and...wait, he said it was our little secret. That's just between me, him and my psychiatrist...

Holidays have nothing to do with religion. Christmas came from Romans. 12 days of Christmas was when Roman courts shut down, men raped and pillaged in a drunken "holiday" to appease evil spirits.

Jonathan Martling that sure sounds like religion to me.

Read apologetics on passages of the Bible you're concerned about.

So you believed in a deity because he was nice? That's a stupid reason to believe in anything.

That's what these turn out to be: "I don't like God"

Cian Nolan the egotistical madman is the spirit of the Antichrist that dwells within you. And that's really why you left the church.

jimmy c but he was full on Catholic so how?

Magic is just sleight of hand while faith can move mountains.

@@jeffforsythe9514 it never has though

@@Bigshady843 Faith, however misplaced it can be, can metaphorically "move mountains" - a rat in an infamous 1950s test lasted 5 or so hours when put in a water tank before nearly drowning. When put in again later, it lasted over 12 hours, or the demonstratable story goes something like that. Point is, faith in yourself or that you can do it, etc. is very important. A good school student with no motivation or belief they can do well in a particular subject often doesn't do well, while the ones that do have faith that they can do it if they try. I'm not defending believing in things based on faith, but the quote "Faith can move mountains" is true in at least one way.

You probably don't need to imagine. The odds are actually pretty good that someone you grew up with or went to the same school as or lived in the same town as grew up to become famous. If you do any sort of hobby that produces some famous people you'll probably be around some of them at some point. For example I like to bicycle and I've ridden with some people who rode in the Tour de France or set records and so on. Anybody who is famous for bicycling is going to spend a lot of time bicycling and they will ride with thousands of people so it's not exactly a miracle if they meet less famous people who also ride a lot.

@@jeffforsythe9514 - Faith does not move mountains. Rather, faith is believing you can move mountains even though you never have and neither has anybody else. Faith is belief without evidence or even against the evidence. In that sense faith has a lot of power, because it's not always easy to make people believe in ridiculous things.

If this is what you got out of the video you need to watch it again.

Alby DeMoss _When someone is trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda._ Penn Jillette 3:20

Petar Stamenkovic hes not interpreting anything. Hes telling us how he came to believe Atheism. He never specified that he was an atheist before he began to see the contradictions in the bible. And he became an atheist by reading the bible and seeing the falicy in it

Alby DeMoss And you're free to believe him that's how it happened. You're not born as an atheist or a Christian. You're born merely believing in God because belief is the default state of the mind. Later on, you may choose to name him or reject him, like Penn here did. He has clearly rejected the belief and has read the Bible in such a way to make it fit with his assumptions. Contradictions in the Bible are most often just contradictions in your mind- of what is true with what you assume to be true.

***** Here, have a listen to Michael Shermer explain why the belief is the default state of human mind: www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html

@Va Sr A typo of liberals. Either that or a cross between libel and Legolas.

I hope you live long enough to real journey through the cosmos.

ExtantFrodo2 ... don't know how much longer I've got to be here. I've been very fortunate health wise. Never had a major health problem and don't at this time. Don't need to take any medication for anything. I don't even get a cold or flu. Served my country in the Navy. Was a hospital corpsman with the Marine Corps in Viet Nam & came home with out a scratch on my body & a sound mind. Have worked in the medical field in the service to others most of my life. So, now I'm retired & every day I wake up here in this dimension I'm pretty grateful. But, I know that my ride on this train of life has gone way past the halfway mark. The train has started to slow down a little. When the end of this ride reaches the final destination I'll be more then ready to disembark with no fear. To DIE must be a really great adventure! I do believe our consciousness our life force leaves & travels on to something new & perhaps fascinating. When the time comes I'll be looking forward to the new & wondrous adventure. But with gratitude for all I've experienced & been given (good & bad 😊) this time around. ExtantFrodo2, Good luck to you on your own journey. Wish you all the best that life can give.✌

*"I don't even get a cold or flu."* Don't be fooled like I was. I too never got a cold or flu when people all around me were. Cuts and scratches healed quickly and scarless...and yet my neutrophils had been steadily descending over the previous 2 years. A bone marrow biopsy showed AML and the doctor had me come in to the hospital that day. 2 rounds of chemo later they still saw cancer and said I couldn't survive a 3rd round, to go home and make my peace. That was 8 years ago. I had the 3rd round. SUCCESS! Then a bone marrow transplant from my sister (yeah for big families). I've no reason to suspect our consciousness (which is a result of neurons in action) will live on after my death. I'm only okay with that because I have to be. One might hope the freezing would be a viable option for beating death. Multiple backups constantly updated would be nice too. But what 'd really like it to fortify this body against damage and irrecoverable death.

Cosmic voyager Very true. Some of the most despicable people I have come across in my life wore their "Christianity" on their sleeve. Morality is so simple. Live by the golden rule.

cosmic voyager that’s nice in all but what if someone held a gun to your head and said never do good again, would you selfishly choose your own life over doing what’s right, or would you be willing to risk it all for the sake of what’s good? What if they told you for the rest of your life you would have to only do bad and instead of consequence you would be greatly rewarded, all your hearts desires handed to you because you did what was evil, no human family, friend or peer would judge you for doing wrong, they would encourage you. But as soon as you do good and what’s right the trigger will be pulled and your brains will be on the floor. You’ll lose everything you had all the things you love will be over, would you be willing to do that just for the sake of doing what’s right? Because the Disciples of Christ sure did and even to this day Christians willingly give up their lives for sake of doing what’s Right and Holy in God’s eyes.

If you truly understand Christianity you would know that it is not founded in a religion but in a relationship. This is something that so many that follow Christianity miss. The relationship can not be rooted only in the BIBLE. You must include the Spirit of God to be present to guide you, also.

@@robadams1506 I come from religious parents and nothing can convince me of a special skydaddy who watches over us. He is said to be good and loving, yet visits suffering and misery on a size and scale that puts serial murderers and rapists to shame. If he is real, he either doesnt care to help, or cant help. I've lost 3 family members who were relatively young and no amount of prayer was worth a shit. god doesnt exist except in the minds of those who dont want to know the truth... we are alone.

@@robadams1506 true

@@csbaca1 Religions turn me off, also. It is only through the Spirit of God that we can apply our faith as Christ did. The only thing that will truly convince any of us is the Spirit of God. It is in that relationship that we can connect our heart motives with our mind. It is in that relationship that we will find peace and never be alone again. In it all, God will never force Himself on us. We must choose to love Him. This will only come, for many of us, once we open ourselves to accept His love. I don't know how anyone can understand that with our mind.

@@robadams1506 I don't think you know what I have experienced in Iraq and after I came home torn up physically, mentally, and spiritually. I prayed to this imaginary being for 5 years every single day. He NEVER answered 1 simple prayer. I thought I would try to experience for myself what others claim to feel. I didn't feel or experience a dam thing. People convince themselves that there is something out there... there isnt. We are all alone. And I dont give a shit... I'll die knowing this is it, and with a smile on my face.

To reaffirm your faith reading the bible, requires you to cherry pick imo. If you read it in it's entirety, I don't see a way it can affirm anything

Stop the cap

Good for you man!

Fantastic news.

@@confirmed1778 Well you never know do you

@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG lol sure

Yes. SO MANY more INTERESTING things could have been discussed in place of it, and there'd be fewer leaking of supporters...

Then get your ice ready, cause I have already over and over for 30 years. So what is your problem exactly?

@@voiceoftruth2646 Leviticus is a very dry book. What did you get out of it?

@@jamesupton4996 lol! Well James, thanks for being respectful and not insulting me like 90% of the atheists have, if you're even if a full blown atheist. Anyway, you're right, the book is dry and I found it not very interesting and to tell you the truth I never did like studying the OT much, I prefer the new. That said, that's not to say it's false in my view, I believe it's all Gods word. It's just that the OT is harder to understand and Leviticus is boring because this is where we get into all the laws being laid down and it goes on and on. But even so, I cannot find any reason to abandon my faith because of it, that's going too far and I see nothing in the OT to give me such reason. I do love Genesis though, but yes many books of the OT are boring.

@@voiceoftruth2646 Well, I'm a Catholic, and I find the whole Bible fascinating. Leviticus is a kind of manual of Temple Worship. It's of its time and place, but does show Israel's relationship with God. That's how we should read it. Given that the Old Testament was the Scripture of the early church, I think it's necessary to be fairly well acquainted with it to understand the world of Paul and the Gospel writers, and begin to get to something of what they meant, as well as having an understanding of the wider Greek and Roman culture they thought in. The Bible was compiled over maybe a millennium, not counting the oral traditions that preceded the writing, and there is development of religious thought in it, and even in the NT - written, maybe over three generations of early Christianity. I think faith is enhanced by seeing the Bible as a process of organic growth through different milieus, with different cultural and philosophical pressures applying. Also the way the texts were edited, like in Genesis, the two different creation stories, both put side by side, though from different source traditions. In the end, you read the Bible book by book, and note different strands within the books, and try to understand them as best as possible within what scholarship shows, and the Church teaches doctrinally.

So brave of u! I wish I had guts like U!!

SistarBora When you think about it, most every day things(especially school related once) are pointless. Speak your mind or ignore everyone, either way don't stress yourself over it. I've noticed that while after I do something once, it doesn't scare me anymore. School, University exams, teachers, they all seemed scary until I finished them and then all that was left was stress. Don't take shit from anyone as long as you have your reasons and you think you're right. That's how I look at it.

So a teacher was giving you shit and you stood up to her. That's a brave move.. But where does religion come in all of this ? She could've given you shit about anything else. Suppose a similar situation; if the morning announcements included the national anthem, and you didn't recite it, and the teacher came and yelled at you, then said: "Are you an immigrant?". And then laughed. Would you quit being a citizen to your country of origin ?

Schizophrenic Enthusiast The situation is not similar at all. In both cases, I would question the motives behind the teacher's decision to believe that a certain religion or country has some sort of importance, while others don't. Going by your example and following the same logic as in my experience mentioned above, I'd think "thinking you're special because you happened to be born in a certain place is petty and stupid. We're all the same." Obviously, I'd denounce the idea of nationalism, not give up my citizenship, since it doesn't come with a set of beliefs.

Tasos Kozi I get what you're saying, I see where my analogy doesn't quite work. But back to your experience, all I could find was that the only reason behind leaving your religion is because you thought somehow religion obliges her to act in that hurtful manner. Is that true ? Correct me if I'm wrong..

What part exactly made you leave. Or if it was a combination can you explain .

Mosab Hijazi He is lying

Nermin is a girl's name dumb fucks

the quran is often misunderstood, it should be noted that the only videos you can find on humility and being humble happen to be islam videos. The 72 virgins is a modern adaptation that is not a widely believed view within the text. Ask any muslim, they will tell you the same, its not regarded as true. Its ridiculous to cherry pick out of the text what you want then call it bad. Not saying its good, but I am saying you are missing some vital points if reading it made you change your religious beliefs. Same with the bible, If I cant understand it fully yet, there is no fucking way any of you can, and since you cant you just dismiss it. Before you go off on a rant, know this, I was atheist at 6 years old and you hold the same beliefs and for the same reasons as a 6 year old. Thats the truth. If you wish to educate yourself about the true meaning of the text its there for you to read, if you can ever get smart enough to understand it.

LEGIT k a lot of video are made by them since they are majority. Buddhism,Sikhism and other religion similar to them,originally was and still is about being humility and humble and video don't prove anything. I don't have nothing against them, but using video as an example, is not really accurate.

Ask me any question concerning creation and if you have an open mind I probably have the answer.

@@jeffforsythe9514 Cool! I have looked for creationists who were willing and able to discuss their beliefs and defend them scientifically, but they are hard to come by. You sound like you are one of them, which is exciting. Here are my first two questions about creation: 1. Are you claiming Young Earth Creationism or Old Earth Creationism? 2. Do you claim that life was created ex nihilo as described in the Bible, or do you believe that the scientific evidence is accurate but God was behind all of it? Said differently, did God magic animals into existence or did he direct the process of evolution in order to produce the diversity of life we see today?

@@davidstorrs All your questions can be answered at falundafa, my spiritual Master directed me to point the Way to the Way but not to pretend to be the Master, it is His Divine energy that can unlock your wisdom, not me, good luck...........falundafa

​@@jeffforsythe9514 Ah, rats. When you claimed that "if you have an open mind **I** probably have the answer" (emphasis added) then I was really hoping you were being honest, but nope. You're another of those creationists who claims to be able to justify his beliefs but can't and either deflects or points to someone else. Oh well. Looks like my streak of not being able to find honest and educated creationists remains unbroken.

Thrust you??? I barely know you!!

@@emptyhand777 I was ready hoping I coulda done that first

Ok Lavar Burton

God cannot bless you unless you believe in Him, I know because I received that Grace.

Mandy B Modern bibles have translated it as "murder" not "kill" unlike KJV because they have reasons...

You will not murder is the actual translation. Read the actual text not the mistranslation.

David Ward So when you stone your teen child to death because it is disobedient,it's not murder,right? Or your teenage daughter because she is not virgin at her wedding? How about killing someone for being gay or because he works on Saturday? Are these considered kills and not murders? Wtf people?

The "WTF people" is the answer to all the issues Humans have. It's Humans that fuck everything up. Period.

"Thou shall not take innocent blood" is the more accurate translation.

Which form of baseless superstition do you believe? If I were going to return to theism, on my second go I would worship John Frum and Joe Navy of the Cargo Cults. They're no more ridiculous than any other imaginary gods.

What idea of God is silly?

@@j.samuel9646 he's talking about the abrahamic religions.

Lol, baised on what?? You have some evidence or just an uneducated opinion!?

No that's dumb

I agree. Well, I agree it is one of the worst. Whether or not it is the very worst of debatable.

@@alexanderraymund2950 the aids epidemic. Bubonic plegue. England suffered about 20% dead. The total average was about 25% of the whole world, as evidence indicates plague deaths in sub-Saharan Africa, India, and the Orient. As much as 66% of Europe and Asia succumbed. Approximately 100,000,000 people died in 4 years. Small pox. Chinese famine in the late 50's. 45 million dead. Pol Pot had over 2.5 million of his own people killed in Cambodia. Thats 21% of the population in Cambodia dead. WW1 65 million dead. Holodomor is the Ukrainian word for “killing by hunger.” It is now the proper term for Josef Stalin’s forced starvation genocide against the Ukraine from 1932 to 1933. Almost 5 million starved to death. Aids was a religious thing. . . ohhh wait. Well the black plague was . . ohh nope. Wrong again. Small pox for sure was caused by people believing in God....what? Nope. Ww1 was all about Religon! Nope!! The immediate cause of World War I that made the aforementioned items come into play (alliances, imperialism, militarism, nationalism) was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary. ... When Russia began to mobilize due to its alliance with Serbia, Germany declared war on Russia. Yes, people have done some stupid things in the name of religion. But to be so bold as to say its one of the worst things to happen to humanity? I wonder what the people who where starved to death would say to that, or the ones to die of small pox or black plague or Aids. I remember a time when people used to think before they spoke. R.I.P common sense.

Where does letting fallen angels onto the world fit with it? That's a common religious dogma...

That is probably because Buddha is also a human being and Buddhism does not believe in any deity or god, basically they are almost like spiritual atheists or w.e., so yea of course you and I would find their teachings more interesting or more truthful

@@gerthebear1232123 yeah that's more or less it. Tibetan Buddhism gets a bit funky with dieties but the idea is still there. I would lean more towards Zen Buddhism I think.

It'd be hard to imagine someone studying the bible for 6 decades if they didn't already believe it was the word of god.

@Austin Martín Hernández Where did you get your standard of good and evil. From the very book you condemn. Your hatred of God and the Bible you are unable to read it with an open mind. I read with an open mind as well as books critical of the Bible and am able to refute most of the negative arguments..

Are you a slow learner. I realized it was bull before i got to the end of Genesis right after it said cattle and livestock were created before people.

Champerj there's not enuff time to sift thru 200 000 gods! Impossible. Bible is still real.

Champerj are predispositioned....lol

Champerj so lemme get this straight, Human beings who Love to Lie, Steal, Murder, have lots of immoral sex, drink to get drunk, gamble their money away and live a worldly prideful life invented a God who says don’t do any of that stuff you love to do.....Human beings invented the ultimate party pooper, because that makes total sense. But yet all the false gods who are dedicated to all the things people Love......some how none of them stuck around? Aphrodite goddess of sex no one wants to worship her but they wanna worship the One who says no to the immoral sex. Yep this makes lots of sense.

immoral sex like gay sex and adultery makes perfect sense to be warned against!. you cant just have weird sex or do whatever you want. There are rules to follow.

It's accurate to say that evolution has selected for this over hundreds of millions of years. And arguably "evolution" is the greatest "reality" and "judge" of Life there is. What we are keyed to detect, is "agency". Psychologists have identified a series of interwoven processes from all over the primitive brain and reaching up into the cortical brain they've dubbed, the Hyperactive Agency Detection Device. We look for patterns of mean that indicate more than just "inertial motion". It comes out the need to rapidly distinguish between a stick and a snake, but has found utility in detecting patterns of agency. Just be careful in tossing stuff away as "by-product of our relative[ly] underdeveloped consciousness". Because YOU yourself could easily be classified as this by the same standards you're applying! One of the huge traps of ego that we fall into as a species, is thinking that just because something is primitive, it's useless. And also that just because we cannot in our callow egotic reasoning find a purpose for something, it must have no purpose. Which interestingly, is one of the traps that maintaining a healthy respect (what ancients called "fear") for a Transcendent Ideal. And doubly interesting, did you know that Nietzsche predicted 130 or so years ago that we would end up at this place of considering ourselves "ubermunsch" (essentially gods-into-ourselves) even as we are led into all kinds of callow ideological belief-systems, if we managed to "kill God" in our own mind?

Response that is to try and mock comment, and attempt to show superior intelligence.

Irrational response in order to mitigate previous mocking statement. Retaliate with a wall of text.

Irrelevant remark carrying some deep life philosophy.

Profound statement that counters your philosophy.

Obscene summarization of your mother´s sex life followed by declaration of my ignorance of anything you two talked about.

I’m on board with that

Will Abbey like it!

PS: Who gives a fuck?

May Atom bless you for your Fallout reference. PS: It's an Arabic word so there are multiple ways to spell it in English.

Embrace atom's glory

Child of Atom, tell me more!

You said "Besides a bit of occasional good or bad luck, people live and die by the merit of their actions." I do not agree. I think good or bad luck has too much to do with how people live and die. For example if you are born a boy or girl, born in rich family or poor, born with certain health diseases/health risks, born during time of slavery, war, famine, etc. You have no say. Pure luck. And it really really has an impact on your life and death.

Robert, How can you say that your God gave humans freedom when he expects them to worship, live a life of subjugation, and do only what he wills or be damned eternally? This would be like me telling you that if you don't pay me on a weekly basis I am going to break your legs, and I don't want to hurt you, so you better pay me.That is really no freedom or "free will" at all!!!

I'm pretty sure you and i both know we don't want to argue over what is meant by "God" in the bible, but, just keep in mind that the book of genesis (the only part of the bible anyone ever reads before they get bored) is set in a place that we now know as Iraq. If you change the word "god" with "The Dictator" or "The Mesopotamian Government" or even "Iraqi Officials" , the whole of the old testament sounds like a giant historical propaganda piece for the laypeople, and manages to fit well with the context of the novel. North korean analogy anyone? They tell the locals that they are the luckiest people in the world, and block off any external source of information that says otherwise. This reminds me of how the bible has been reprinted countless times with as little translational issues as is humanly possible, to keep the information intact. What information is portrayed in genesis without paying attention to the semantics? It seems to be trying to keep a genealogical diary of rulers in Iraq. It lists the rulers of specific regions and their bloodlines and their choices and even goes so far as to determine which ones made the right and/or wrong choices by differentiating between the good an the bad. That to me is propaganda. Telling the people what is right or wrong without letting them decide. It's kind of like Hitler during his reign. Good guy Adolf. Plenty of animal welfare regimes, economy boosts, lovely relationship with the public but just forgot to mention that he was planing a mass genocide. The bible was a text that, at the time, was produced as propaganda to round up the sheep and TELL them who their shepherd would be.

How noble not to show himself so he can watch us burn. Why would he give us that option if it only meant suffering? If there was a god he would probably be like Q off star trek arrogant and without morals.

***** They aren't wrong... well in a fictional logical sense. *IF* god was real it would blow everyone's mind. I know it would blow mine, I'd follow God if he was real and had every property that Christians describe. My free will would actually dissipate. That being said that reason or better put an excuse excuse. Doesn't leave them with much to work with... The only real thing that would sway us is off the table extinguishing any potential discourse.

But that's the thing. More atheists come from religious backgrounds. Most WANTED to find him. Most tried. Most wanted "to feel his presence." But how can you feel something that's not there. It's why when people question this do they become atheists. If you tell yourself he's there then your mind will make you believe so. Maybe that's why there 1000s of different gods

So if the holy spirit said you should follow every commandment in the bible....would you? I'm guessing Yes So question 🙋...would u allow your daughters rapist marry her

Uh, look around. Did "evolution", your beloved lie, do some great service to humanity? According to you we evolved from knuckle dragging animals...into what? Billions killed by war, poverty, violence and crime with no end in sight. I wouldnt thump my chest and brag on being a big bad evolutionist in the shit world you live in if I was you.

@@gennymikel4296 You act like evolution is supposed to do some service. All it does it explain a single thing, that life forms change over time. Even if evolution were false, war, poverty, violence and crime exist irrespective of it or any god. I wouldn't thump my chest and act condescending if I were you considering you don't seem to grasp what the Theory of evolution addresses, and you somehow link it to the violence in the world as if that violence wouldn't happen if evolution were false. Plus, there's nothing beloved about it. It's just a thing that exists. I don't pray to Darwin and worship at the altar of evolution. I also find your pretentiousness fascinating. You claim to know what Jasmine thinks, when she never mentioned evolution. They're not mutually exclusive concepts. There are atheists who reject evolution just as there are theists who accept it. But since you reject evolution, I'm curious to know as to why? What is your evidence against it, should you have any?

Just because she was wrong for her actions doesn’t make the Bible wrong. Quit imagining causation.

Transylvania 6500 Just to clarify, if you believe in evolution, you believe in the unscientific fact that something came from nothing? Also, can you give an example of one being changing kind? That is from crocodile to snake or deer to cow...love to hear your answer.

@@gennymikel4296 our part of this shit world and you can take responsibility for it. What affucking douche!

451 you’re an adult. stop acting like a child. grow up and grow out of these fairy tales. oh and fuck your god.

"Penn thinks entirely in the flesh." Is that supposed to be a criticism? As opposed to what? Believing that somehow your god out of tens of thousands of others is not only the One True God but also *real* based on absolutely no scientific proof whatsoever? If you were on a debate team the judges would laugh you off the stage. I'm not usually a mean-spirited person but in that context, they'd be right to do so.

I Am tell me why? I bet I could change your mind on that.

Alex Parrish what is the bet? In short, the evidence based on the text does not match what is believed.

I Am the bet is the fact that I could change your mind? Let’s go

I Am explain more on what you’re trying to say?

Alex Parrish Humor to start in a discussion is always welcomed. The text of the Bible literally portrays the god character of the story as an genocidal tyrant that does not display intelligence but rather premeditated acts of cruelty on both so called chosen and not chosen people. If it is believed that the god character of the story is, as also written, “All merciful, all knowing, all powerful, etc., and is the sole creator of everything” then believers have the problem of explaining the creation of sin for one and the murders committed directly by their god or commanded by their god while also explaining how the very first murderer of the story (Cain) was not punished nor, as the good book states, “...an eye for an eye...”. Then there is this so believed “original sin” that is not mentioned about within the written text but preached and believed by the masses that Adam and Eve are the cause of all sin. This is clearly not the case based on the text and overtly a scapegoat for the god character who is believed to the be the creator of all things that knew everything that you or I would do in our lifetime before even being created. This brings up the next dilemma that believers have to account for which is apparently summed up in two words “God’s plan.” Many have claimed to know exactly what god’s plan is but when asked to provide evidence of their amazing mind reading abilities, they divert back to what the text has written for specific characters at specific sections of the story and therefore taken out of context. If all is done according to God’s plan, then how can anyone actually be blamed for doing exactly what god has planned? So If Tom murders someone and god knew Tom would murder someone, date and time as well as all the details right, then still decides to create Tom before Tom carries out the deed, then who is actually responsible for the murder of that person? This brings me to my third point, good ol Satan. Who was also created by god in which god knew exactly what Lucifer would do to become Satan and yet still allowed to do exactly what was foreseen it would do. I know you are going to use free will as your argument but you will soon see that is false and that no one has free will as long as people believe there is a god that demands/commands their allegiance under penalty of an eternity of pain and suffering.

I'm sorry you didn't have good Bible teachers and believers that helped you to experience Jesus, Holy Spirit and God's glory, I have read the Bible 4 times and the more I read it and the more study history and philosophy finding answers to the cruel situations you describe from the Old Testament the stronger my faith has become. I was able to understand why God doesn't stop evil, why bad things happen to good people, finding with those answers forgiveness, compassion, and true peace. It is only when I focus my eyes in only human bad behaviour when I can become depressed, then I look at Jesus and I find hope for humanity and again love, compassion, forgiveness and spiritual peace. Humanity has tried to live without God until now, not achieving complete peace, love and harmony, all efforts to achieve these have been futile as history continues to be written. I'm absolutely sure that achieving these altruistic goals will never be possible without humanity accepting Jesus in their hearts.

@@luzdivina2706 Sorry Vicky, but you don't know my history. I have read the bible multiple times, done bible study, read plenty of religious books, and watched various videos from believers. But I can't find any evidence that it's true, so my default position is I'll believe it when someone can present some evidence, good evidence, not just empty arguments, and no quotes from the bible, remember I've read it, any quote anyone makes will not make a difference.

@@SalisburyKarateClub you are correct, I don't know your history, I wouldn't even try to assume what it is. Could you share what kind of true evidence you tried to find? Perhaps it is within the evidence I found and I will happily share it with you!

@@luzdivina2706 Evidence is something that can be tested, the test needs to do various things, it needs to be falsifiable, next it needs to be repeatable, then it needs to be validated, and lastly it needs to be predictive.

@@SalisburyKarateClub My question was what type of evidence you are looking for? Are you looking for scientific, historic or spiritual? Why would you assume that I don't know the meaning of evidence? In any case, it's okay I don't take things personal. While in my research I found that there is not evidence for evolution and it remains a theory, I have found hundreds of scientists, historians, mathematicians, philosophers that have found evidence for design and creation. Here are some of them.

Not true as history demonstrates.

Contrary to old bulldogsbob (who offered NOTHING in rebuttal) you are exactly right!

ladymalora no. U atheists read the bible as God denying God hating sinners! Thus u don't understand it. Besides it's not how many times we read it. We are to read it daily. You atheists quit reading upon completion. Got it all wrong. Most atheists never open the Bible as they tink it's very boring.

ladymalora sounds like ur dad is a part time believer.

@@OikPoinFive I hate the idea that atheists are only atheists because we want to sin or that we hate God. The bible teaches that the only unforgivable sin is disbelief, so wouldn't it make more sense that someone who just wanted to sin would become more devout, and how can we hate someone we don't believe in, that's like if I accused you of hating the Norse god Oden. Also you suggest that atheists read the bible with bias but in most cases that's simply not true, not only do most of us go into it without bias so that we can see it for what it truly is but there's also the fact that many atheists, like Penn, first read the bible as a believer and with that bias that it is absolute truth but they still spot the flaws.

Time is, was and always will be right there. It happened, and will happen.. It doesn't just disappear.. There is Eternal time.. It's never to late to respond to any of these lost souls that do not know the truth about Jesus.. They may still have the same phone, email, etc,. And this may reach them... I am telling all these non believers in Jesus.. For the sake if their eternal soul & dwelling place.. (Heaven or Hell?) If you cannot read the original ancient Paleo Hebrew scriptures.. Then your not getting the true word of God..! He said Do Not Add To.. Or Take Away From His Word.!!!! If you take "any" Paleo Hebrew Word & Translate it into a different language in writing... You've just changed it.. You've just edited it.. You've just re-defined the original word into some close to what your language can use.. If you cannot read ancient Hebrew.. Ask Jesus for yourself to come to you and reveal the truth to you. Ask Him to show you what your end life reality will be ... But when you ask... Ask with a sincerely truthful heart that truly wants to know.. Also.. for better understanding of the original word... See Alan Hovarth on RU-vid.. He is very accurate in his teaching.. Also... You might want to look up all the people who in the past few most recent years who have been visited by Jesus, who has seen Heaven and He'll..! Children too small to talk profess the name of Jesus and His returning soon! Don't be left behind to suffer the time of terror... Because it is coming & you need to be ready! Blessings & Peace be upon you! In Jesus name! Amen! Hallel-Yahwah! & His Ruach HaKodesh! I plead the blood of Jesus here!!! Amen!

Stupid ppl believing in god lol... what has god to do with us? We r just parasites in this universe expanding our generations like a virus. God must get rid of us soon if there is really a god.

@@rock-tk1qf m8 if there is no human there is no god

@@whatleyfarms1318 i'll be fine in hell all my friends will be there

@Terminator You don’t want there to be a God that’s why you think like that

Z Moon finally someone gets it

That's why I did! Since my faith in Jesus started from spiritual experiences, I decided to research and educate my self to be able to explain the reasons for my faith to unbelievers and the more I studied history, philosophy and science the stronger my faith has become.

Well, you have Money right? So if you have, go in a bookstore and buy those two books. When you're done reading them we'll talk about it. Spoiler alert: You'll be disappointed for what you'll found