Quick feedback for the editor (Mark, or whoever came up with that), since this is the first time I've seen it in an LTT video: The pointers in the charts, indicating what data-points Linus is talking about, REALLY improve the ability to understand them. Honestly surprised that this wasn't a thing years ago.
Want to add that I greatly appreciate that as well. I know that it takes time in the edit but it really is appreciated and elevates the video's production quality.
I get the feeling, while some of them are actually desperate for the card to finish their builds or whatever, most are actually there to buy the card to scalp it in that video.
That's a good point. When the video caption goes from "people rushing to buy a GPU at MSRP" to "people rushing to get $1000 free," it becomes much more understandable.
Eh.. that's just being cynical. Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." chances are most are desperate for the cards themselves.
@@ExarchGaming it’s hard to say. The amount of cards I see on Facebook market place, after there’s any cards released in Edmonton, leads me to believe otherwise.
I mean, id highly disagree. Most, if not all, scalpers are shopping for gpus online because its much easier to either A. Have a bot do it or B. Buy cards in bulk
@@ExarchGaming I don't think rushing to buy a GPU to finish/upgrade a build or for scalping in that fashion falls under stupidity. They are desperate and/or greedy.
I legit laughed out loud when it cut from the footage of the "micro center rush" to Linus looking like a super villan with his collection of rare RTX cards lmao 🤣
@Viztiz I'm not talking about the ones he reviews. I'm speaking generally. Linus is a well known and supported tech youtuber and has his own store and brand with multiple affiliates. If he REALLY wanted a personal GPU. I'm sure paying the inflated prices is no skin off his back. You're not gonna see Linus chilling in line at some GPU drop in best buy unless its for clout or a legitimate reason. of course he's not going to fight over it, because he likely can afford either choice without a second thought. That's not to say he supports scalper but we're all human.
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Yeah I got a 2070 super then the linus video came out a day later saying it's obsolete after the 3000 series was announced. I'm feeling pretty happy with my purchase now lol.
3080 non-Ti ended up being the card that actually makes more sense to buy from a cost to performance point of view, if you can get one ofc. Also, the first ones didn't have LHR limitations so that factors in for future second hand market value.
Honestly I got a 3080 on impulse, and I regret not getting a 3060 ti instead. Don’t get me wrong the card is insane, but I only have a 1440p monitor and I could have gotten the strix 3060 ti and oc’d the snot out of it. It’s ok tho
@@braxtongarner3843 honestly the 10GB will make that 3080 last longer, even at 1440p. Also as games advance RT further the extra RT Cores will help too. Also the Memory bandwidth and more cores overall will help when RTX-IO comes into play for future games. And considering the 3080 can do 8K using Ultra Performance DLSS, you'd be fine resolution wise for a while I feel. The ROI on the 3080 is just the outright best of the Seires if you got one at MSRP as it would last the longest before being notably slower than newer cards, while not being the ludicrous 1300-1500$ cards the 3080Ti and 3090 are MSRP wise. And the 3060Ti is a great card... But it will become obsoleted by the 8GB of memory sooner than it's GPU Cores will become obsolete if newer games are to go by
@@Alovon then get Rx 6800 xt instead. Sure it has no rtx but it’s not even worth it for the fps it takes. I agree dlss is better then fsr but it’s very close and it’s 50 bucks cheaper and has 6gb more vram although slightly slower.
Unlikely, I happened to get a GPU at a micro center in the last week (no I wasn't in that crowd) and before they gave it it me they made it very clear I can't by a second one from any of there locations in within an extended time frame due to the shortage. And they scanned my license. If someone is flipping it I hope they dont end up needed another card for themselves within a year or longer depending how demand changes.
If anyone at LMG looks at this for feedback, tell the design guys I love the new square indicators that pop up highlighting the numbers Linus is comparing.
The squares were way too big and the flashing was distracting from the other numbers. Yes it may be the point to draw attention but I found it distracting when trying to look at the numbers overall. A smaller indicator like a different colored bar on the graph or a non-flashing square would be better.
While tgey are helpful,i dont understand the order of the graphic cards. They should be rather sorted according to performanxe instead of pushing 3070 ti to the top
@@stonecoldxi9138 Yeah, they should pick one thing or the other. Either put the subject card at the top so it's easy to find or put them in order of performance and highlight the subject of the video. I'd prefer the latter.
@@AryanGupta-gv3we i understand that, but having the yellow rectangles makes putting 3070 at the top useless. A graph with sorted bars is much easier to read and also pleasant to look at
I wont lie the RTX 3070 TI is underrated people are always saying that the card is bad when actually its a pretty decent card just because its closer to the RTX 3070 does'nt mean you have to shame the living shit out of it.
@@InternetSupervillain remember when to used to be at least 20-30% stronger than base models? These people live in fairy tail because Linus said it's nice so it must be nice
Where I live, retailers have doubled the prices of 3070/3080, same goes for AMD's counterpart. So yeah, despite what reviewers may say about the 3070/3080 Ti pricing, I'd kill to buy those graphic card at MSRP.
Gaming cards aren't Desktop productivity cards, that's not new.. The average gamer person buying this card will use it for gaming, which will run most games perfectly fine, hence the mad dash to get the card. Its not all about cranking the settings up to FULL either, most games will do better FPS with less settings! You also need a fast CPU and lots of FAST memory, not just a large amount of memory. Any desktop productivity person will not be looking at Gaming cards to run CAD or Creative Cloud apps if they know what they are doing. This card will do fine for the average gamer/video enthusiast that needs to edit a 15 min of 4K drone footage or to post a youtube video. Remember video editing , as well as other software rending (3D, CAD etc.. ) requires a Fast CPU and fast memory not a gaming card. For the price this card makes sense for someone not spending 4-5 grand on a desktop PC that they barely get any benefit from. People buying the $1500 cards are spending $500 on mb, $1000 in memory, 3 grand in monitors, $1500 for a CPU if you get my drift. Lastly, all these bench marks for any hardware, given the stats are very close, the small differences aren't going to be noticed all that great. In conclusion, non of this PC hardware is worth the money its sold for. Its a money grab for these companies. Supply and Demand working away!
If these were actually available this card would make no sense, for just $100 more you get a 3080. It should only be 10% slower than a 3080 at this price.
But that's the point. These cards won't be Available at all. You might get lucky and find an AIB card at $150+ more (if you camp out at microcenter) and that's it.
I mean, if these cards came out in a normal market the 3070 ti would be like 575$ and the 3080 ti would be about 1000$, they have just put a markup on both because they can. If these cards released at their normal prices people would would be just fine with them, but the fact that they are releasing new cards in a market with no cards and for more money than they are realistically worth put a sour taste in most people's mouth.
Exactly, 3070ti performs barely better than the 3070 and much worse comparatively than the 3080, so may as well either spend $100 less to get something almost as good, or $100 more to get something much better (assuming availability).
@@krissman123 1) no, nvidia literally never sells GPUs at $400 or higher at anything below a $100 dollar price increase of the lower model GPU, thats not a thing. And it was supposed to to compete directly with the $580 6800. And no, nobody would be fine with a $575 3070 ti thats barely faster than a 3070 and significanly slower than a 6800 for the same price. Also there is nobody on the fucking planet that would think $25 dollars cheaper for a $600 gpu is a noticeable deal, thats literally not a thing. Maybe if it was $50 cheaper some people might be like “eh fuck it $50 dollars off sweet” but $25 off a high end GPU? Are you outside your damn mind? Thats barely a difference. Im not even gonna get into the robbery thats the 3080 ti. That card is barely faster than a 3080 why asking for nearly double the price. But even if it was $1000 thats still like 35 percent more money for like what? 10 percent more performance? Im not gonna do the match on that but you get my point. Realistically the card should be no more $900, im the first to say people who called the 3090 a dumb card but jizz buckets over the 6900XT are shills and dumb as hell, my stance wouldnt change if its the 3080 ti or even 3090 at $1000
Thank you so much for adding those pulsing indicators! They make it so much easier to keep up with which items are being talked about without having to constantly pause or jump back in time!
Kinda bummed I finalized my build with 2x 1070s right before COVID, but they're at least enough to get me nice framerates on the kinds of games I like. For any games planned to have mass appeal, devs should really consider investing more in optimization infrastructure for the next little while.
Just got the Asus Strix 3070 ti oc for £580, the 3080 is still so expensive here in the UK plus it's a big jump from my 1060 6gb so I'm very pleased. Now I just need a new monitor as my acer gn246hl only has dvi connection which obviously isn't compatible with 3070 ti :(
@@ramanmono Showing 7000 with no unit would look a bit odd. They could have showed it as 7000 "MHz", that is, quoted the MHz to show it's not REALLY MHz. People would both understand it, as it's familiar, and also see that it's not exactly that.
@@Winnetou17 7000 is still incorrect number. It makes an assumption GDDR6 is on DDR mode and not QDR. QDR clock speed would 3500(14/4=3.5). So proper way is to use command clock(1750) just like AMD and most monitoring applications do or use full datarate(14Gbps). These two values are consistent over different products.
The ASUS TUF Gaming OC Edition RTX 3070 Ti was reduced from $950 to $700 at my local Micro Center this week. That's $100 above the $600 MSRP of the Founder's Edition, but a not a bad deal at this point in time. Many decent triple-fan 3060 Ti LHR cards still go for as much as $600 while the 3080 LHR cards go for $1250 and as much as $1600 for the premium partner boards. If you don't mind going with AMD, you can buy a PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT or reference card for $1200 or the Red Devil Ultimate for $200 more.
That's actually a sneaky good point. Nowadays reviewers like LTT tend to dismiss graphics OCing, and while the gains aren't as great as they once were, they are enough to jump your 3070 into a stock 3070 TI.... congrats! you just saved 100 virtual bucks.
@@AyoKeito sure, but while the 3070 OC is enough to get you to a 3070 TI performance level, the OC on the 3070 TI will still leave you 15/20% short of a 3080. Just enough to fit a 3070 super, or something.
Man, I'm so glad I got my 3070 (non Ti) when I did. Looking at that clip of people stampeding to the PC shop raised my blood pressure quite considerably.
Am just so sick and tired of this bs that am just gonna get 3070 ti on eBay for 850€ I dont give a frick BF2042 is just around the corner and am not missing it.
@@ponyslavestation4669 I think you should consider waiting because a lot of shit is getting back in stock in September-October. But well.. whatever is easier for you.
I think they're still comparing it to the last gen but this is def for more money on nvidia's end especially those who aren't as tech savy and can buy whatever they can get their hands on.
If something's a worse deal than something that already exists it's simply a bad deal, no matter how good the thing it's competing with is. Note he said that it would be a good deal without the shortage, so stock and scalper issues don't come into it.
Yet virtually all reviewers have orgasms testing a 5950x that nets less than 8% FPS as a 5800x for TWICE the price. Now is NOT the time to be picky for gpu's...
Wow... that is insane. As much as I'd love to drive 4 hours to the nearest micro-center I would hate to get trampled in those crowds. I'm SOO Glad that I waited till August 12th 2022 to purchase Through Amazon as I got one of only a few EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra's (best o' best) for $1099! The price went back up to 1750 now sitting at 1499 3 weeks later. Crazy market. hOPE everyone gets what they need/want and doesnt get absolutely rolled on prices.
IMO the EVGA 3070TI was the best NVIDIA card of that generation for price/performance ratio. It can handle almost any game at high settings at 2k resolution 144Hz.
explain what? look at the high end watch industry its the same, supply and demand dictate the market. MSRP is set by the manufacture all the brands you love don't manufacture these cards. They don't care about manufacturing price its all about supply and demand. If you have problem with the price rise through a retail store like Microcentre go and complain to them and others including Asus, Msi, Gigabyte etc. Thats where the retail price inflation is coming from.
@@csunstudent148 your wrong as your thoughts are to against the "unfairness" that you are unable to look at the situation for what it currently is without bias.
@@And0199 nobody can help you if you don't understand where is a problem with this video and this card. Just press like up there under a video and be a happy little sheep.
He said it at the end: Current market = good deal If everything was at MSRP and there was no shortage = very bad launch Plus at the start of the video, I think that was on purpose, to me it looks like it's scripted to look half-hearted and desperate when he talks about what a good deal it is, like anyone trying to buy a GPU is.
@@zm5668 The overwhelming majority of people watching this review will do so in the current retail climate. And in two years from now this video will be out of date with missing and bad information (due to new competitor products and bios changes, etc) regardless of any pricing situation.
Highlighting important parts of the performance graphs is a great idea. Actually really helps to keep up with the explanations. I'd love to see that in future reviews.
You should also get the negative side. This card makes no sense to fall right in between the 3070 and 3080 when it comes to pricing, as it does not offer a middle ground performance wise. Nvidia is making serious botched decisions with the launch of the 3000 family.
@@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390 Quite literally every review is biased one way or another. Reviews are opinions. You simply disagree with LTT's interpretation of the market situation. That doesn't mean Linus is a "shill". If anything, he can talk a lot more shit about big companies and get away with it and he does that on a fairly regular basis.
Linus: "Look at these charts showing how underwhelming and negligible these performance differences are for the price." Also Linus: "Buy this card immediately!"
@skOsH doesn't add that much at best you might find 10% in a really heavy v ram usage but normal gaming gamers nexus mostly saw about 7% vs the normal 3070
What are you guys even going on about? The 3070Ti is a bad deal in the case of perf-to-price def, no questioning it. If you find both the 3070 and the 3070Ti at MSRP on shelves anywhere, take the 3070 and run (after u pay for it). But if the 3070Ti is the only one sitting at msrp on shelves, it is worth it, if you want a gpu. That's the only case it is worth it in, and prob what Linus is suggesting as well. We are seeing people literally buying cards for over a $1000 for 2000 and 3000 series cards not after waiting for months. Not everyone thinks about their wallet first, whether they can or cannot afford it.
@skOsH the biggest issue with amd cards this gen is aib mark up is insane so even if you manage to get one they are already expensive most 6900xt cards are near or north of 2k usd at there retail price
Indeed i got a hardly used one back before mining exploded for about $400 and am so glad i did considering these days even mid range cards that are hardly better cost over 1k. Even crazier i could resell that 1080ti at a profit today.
Yeah, they are placing 3070 Ti on the top, and this way you cannot tell easily the differences between the other cards or where this card stacks up on the chart. I begin to lose faith on LTT. Not to mention that half of his videos now are sponsored ads.
Check out Hardware Unboxed, their GPU graphs are the easiest to read (IMHO) and they put immense effort into the testing process. I'd say their reviews are a nice middle ground between LTT's "mainstream" style and GN's technical & critical style.
I got my cards at IMINERS,CO and they are great group of people. Cards are cheap, support is insane, shipping is fast and they provide wholesale discount. What can be better?
I wish there was a company that only releases 1 single good gpu at a reasonable price and only investing in that instead of investing in a lot other gpus that won't be suitable to almost anyone... that way we all could have a gpu.
I knew this would happen. I called all of this back when the marketing for the 30 series dropped. I told all my friends "Okay, 20 series are going to be listed on Kijiji for absolutely nothing because everyone will want the 30 series and once they can't get it, the 20 series are going to increase in price." I picked up 4 2080's for an average of $450 CAD the week before the GPUs actually dropped.
I just got an msi card from microcenter in brentwood MO. They were full of stock. 3090s 3080tis and 3070tis. I went at 8pm the employees there were as suprised as i was that their stock lasted that long. Its a beast. Runs every game I own at max settings. Doom eternal 2k ultra nightmare graphics plus ray tracing dlss-quality runs smoother than butter. The only game that struggles is minecraft java with BSL shaders at max on an old world full of stuff and thats a cpu issue lol
I cant believe that by the time I finally get to upgrading my 1060 I have to either pay an arm and a leg or rip off someone's arm and a leg for even last gen's card
@@StealthGhost: Framebuffer is the tiny part of VRAM that holds the pixel data that will be sent to the monitor during the next screen refresh, or it's an offscreen buffer whose picture will be used for further calculations. That's dozens or perhaps hundreds of megabytes at most. The majority of VRAM contains textures and geometry data.
I agree Linus is being a shill but comon on the gpu on his desk part, first ur piss poor, second reviews often get it free or has the right connections to easily get it at price. Even you can get it now if you can spare the dough. Right now it's available just costs are inflated. Ur a moron
Thanks for the advice Linus, I got my 3070ti couple weeks ago at msrp, and a couple days after it is now unavailable. So glad I took your advice. Keep up the good work, been a fan for many years and glad to see this Linus doing so well! Cheers!
The struggle is real. My humble little low profile GTX 1650 went from being $150 in early 2020 to being worth (scalped) ~$400 on eBay, and that's if you're fortunate enough to find one.
For Linus because there are scalpers the price is good as long as it lower then the scalping prices. My dude that makes no sense and only fuels the scalpers
Yea... i went with the 3070. Moores law has a really good review. That gddr6x memory on the ti is faster but it uses a rediculous amount of power even just idling. Im the type of person who leaves my computer on at night so Id rather not have a gpu space heater.
If you're not leaving your pc on for mining that it is just a waste. Turn it off when you're not using it. Doesn't take more than 10 seconds to turn on.
@@Zardoz3974 Glad someone else noticed that. He does it after every controversial video. Condescendingly tries to explain to us why we are wrong and he is right every WAN show.
That's the point of this video. Everybody else talks about the shortage without thinking that said shortage is temporal but the video is permanent. In two years which videos are going to be more useful: the ones whinning about the shortage or the ones that really compare graphics cards?
@@raminatox the ones that come out in late 2022 and mid 2023 that directly compare current gpus to the future gpus? You act like the 4000 series reviews won't be compared to the 3000 series and those reviews will actually have timely information instead of referring to an old outdated video.
@@joemarais7683 @AJ Sweeney I bet you are a couple of rich brats who can run an buy every new shinny toy every year. But some of us can't do that. We buy used stuff and rely on old videos to do that.
@@raminatox Except what Joe said makes perfect sense. If he is a rich brat then so are you because if you actually read what he said you would have noticed he said these exact same benchmarks will be in 4000 series reviews. Nothing about buying new or used cards. Sound like a whinny brat
I had to wait until 6 months ago to finally get one and about 30% more than MSRP. I still love it although have a slight buyer's remorse. How about you ?
@@Chrispyy__ is it better on a 3070Ti though ? LTT would suggest going for the 20 series at slightly cheaper. BTW I'm saying this after watching their latest video, ranking the various cards over the years and coming back to this video.
They're obviously getting a huge kick out of screwing with ppl. I'll just keep sitting on my 1080Ti, might transition to a 20 or 30 series by the time the 50 (or 10 again?) series comes out
Also on 1080ti and honestly see no reason to upgrade gaming wise. Still a strong card for modern games on my 1440p UW. Sure you don't get all the new bells and whistles but I think RTX still needs another gen or two to mature. That's before considering how stupid prices are right now. Probs upgrade with 40 series assuming supply isn't an issue...
yeah I'm keeping my 1080ti for at least 10 years, I got a top end system (excl. 1080ti) in 2012 and only planning on getting more RAM now, but I've always wanted more RAM
I totally just visualized that. For some reason, it was a western setting with cowboys. And NVidia bartender had a thin moustache, and couldn't be less bothered.
"buy it at MSRP" - what? that's stupid, in the current market issues that applies to all GPUs, not just this one. he still doesn't get why people demolished his 3080ti review which is just sad.
Title: *People Will Literally Fight Over This* Linus' table: *Holds 5 GPU's* Canadian Guy: *Looks through window* Also Canadian Guy: *Breaks window and fights Linus for the GPU's*
@@emwungarand Is that when they drop on their store front? I've had the opportunity to install 2 6800s with the reference design and wow.. they run cool, they run quiet. Also installed a Nitro 6800 and while it was very comparable it's also a fair bit bigger. I'd heard AMD was discontinuing sales of their reference card. Glad their not if that's the case... it's a good design. Both Amd and Nv did well on their reference designs this time out.
@@EvolKnives The saddest thing is, it will not.....It will not get better at all....Tbh I lost all hope for the new GPUs....Its just sad and disappointing really....
The truth is the 1070 still runs everything absolutely beautifully and spending 2 grand on a card doesn't actually improve the experience if you like games, not just graphics.
