Perk says Kyrie Irving is the most skilled player EVER, just ahead of Kobe | NBA Today 

Amen

That’s fair but I think they mean offensive skills only

@@koollio9724 yea but I mean even then, Kyrie can't even dunk tho..

They say defense takes more more will than skill most can play you just have to want to it's a boring and dirty job but scoring takes skill and it's only debatable between 2 players Kobe and Kyrie period

We’re talking pound for pound I think.

Then why doesn't his "skills" equate to ppg, reb, assists, steals, blocks, rebounds, FG%? His "skills" don't equate to being a great player, just a really good player that came 10 points short of Booker's mark.

@@Paulafan5 Career avg: Min; Pts; FG%; Reb; Ast - 33.9 23.0 47.1 3.8 5.7

Not ahead of MJ and Kobe. People just keep forgetting offense is only 50% of the game. Kobe and MJ were more talented defenders

Ever? The NBA has been around longer then the 2021-2022 season.

@@NickSchooler1 He literally said 'one of'.

Kyrie can get shots off with his left too. Kyrie's handles and finishing are miles from where Kobe was.

Bro, a left hand shot is impressive and all. But ppl be forgetting how many shots Kobe put up a game. Bro be taking the most ridiculous shots for no reason. Kobe never averaged 47% fg in a single season. Kobe never averaged 37% fg from 3. Kobe never averaged 87% from the ft. On the other hand, Kai is a 50-40-90 player. He’s on the verge of averaging another 50-40-90 season. He has a better 3pt shot, better handles, better ball placement, better layup package. And when it comes to footwork, the argument could be made it’s heavily similar to Kobe’s. No disrespect to Kobe, but Kyrie needs to be given his props already. He’s the most skilled player in nba history. Not to mention, he’s 6’2…

People forget about everything that happened 5 years ago. Kyrie is nowhere near the most skilled player ever. Now, he very well may be the most talented ball handler, but that's where it stops. Jordan and Bryant were more talented defenders than Kyrie is an offensive player, and he's nowhere near their level on offense. Why do we do this every time a guy scores some points

@@pierrecausemybladdersempty1678 preach 💯

Stop it lol.

Braden McHenry Kobe had shaq to carry for alot in his first half of his career then Pau.

@@darnellwilliams8783 sound dumb, they were 1a and 1b, and hes saying kobe scored a ton btw

@@darnellwilliams8783 You do know kobe was avg 27, 7 and 6 in 2003 finals vs Nets !!?

@@darnellwilliams8783 lebron had wade bosh kyrie love and ad to carry him 🤷‍♂️

@@kasperrieberg3495 2002 kid and I really don't care about stat padding

Everything you just said about Kobe, the same can be said about Kyrie to a greater extent lmao

@@ojyves1997 definitely not in regards to the defensive side. Last time I checked offense and defense were part of the game.

Kyrie’s footwork matches Kobe’s, plus he has better a 3 ball and a better handle and a better lay up package

@@JulesC07 defense isn't really skill it's more effort lol. You don't really have to practice defense🤷🏾‍♂️🤣. Kyrie with the 3 ball, handle, finishing packages he's far more skilled than Kobe all do respect. Doesn't mean kyrie is greater by any means tho. You've never see a guard like kyrie bro

Let’s not forget Kobe took Horrible shots and even horrible forced shots a lot as well kyrie is more consistent and efficient on the offensive end.

Kyrie footwork is unmatched as well

@@tmacc28 Kyrie learned the footwork from Kobe , Kobe learned it from MJ

@@nine3seven and the Dream!

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He couldn’t stay off the weed.

He does it on purpose.

Thank you, I heavily respect you for this comment.

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Don’t even take this debate serious, they try every way to make debates and have people turn on each other.

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Buy your same logic, why do Kobe fans scoff at Duncan being mentioned in a top 5?

@@TheIcemanthomas I have both them in top 5. No order - MJ, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Duncan

@@TheIcemanthomas Duncan is most definitely one of the greats. The only reason he’s not above Kobe is because Kobe has a winning record against him in the playoffs and Kobe’s 2 rings without Shaq. Specifically the one against the Celtics. He beat a team with 3 players in the NBA top 75 all time without a top 75 teammate. Still probably the most underrated championship in nba history

@@TheIcemanthomas Duncan is great, but can you name two notable Tim Duncan games or moments?

- Kyrie has better handles - Kyrie shoots WAY better. (LeBron shoots better than Kobe...) - Kyrie can finish at the rim better - Kobe career % from field: 44%

Because he is next to Kobe and that’s why he is the MiniKobe

That’s a funny way to spell Bryan Scalabrine

Actually he really is as skilled if not more then Kobe. He’s doing things at his height that’s borderline impossible. He does everything Kobe does minus dunking and he’s 4 inches smaller.

Kyrie is more skilled coming from the biggest Kobe fan

@@jonathandiggs7819 for you to even think he is more skilled than Kobe, what does he do that Kobe can't do

Dude dats a video game... 2k is not real... Its not even accurate.... U can't judge Kobe off a video game.... Smh

@@AP90x DISAGREE. That was a young mentally unskilled kyrie. Kyrie also had harder competition. Kobe would never come back down 3-1 lmao. Kyries better offensivley, kobe defense.

Kyrie is not in the same solar system as Kobe as a defender. So I can’t say Kyrie is more skilled than Kobe. 🤷‍♂️

@@jaywysingle7225 he's using 2k as a metaphor keep up

also, that's only considering offense...defense is a whole other skillset that needs to be adressed

You ever heard of a guy named Jordan?

KD more skilled then Kobe but Kobe better due to his mentality

Why y’all say skilled, and only speak on scoring and offense?

Why did he miss so many shots then

Who never shot 46%

Facts

Lay up. Shoot and dribble better than Kobe

@@Cokenya_ll yup not even close. Kobe just had him on defense.

and playmaking is a skill

More skill than kobe just wish he was 6feet6

dude exactly plus nobody is game planned for kyrie he barely plays....

No he didn’t. Kobe was inefficient.

@@Droselover-hu1gt Kobe had teams Jordan couldn’t even get to the finals. Add context or don’t speak

@Kwame Nkrumah great point

Yes Kobe dropped 60 on 70 percent every game👍👍

Irving hits more difficult shots on way better efficiency. Kyrie is a better shooter finisher ball handler facilitator and free throw shooter. Love 24 forever but there is a reason why Kobe was closest to kyrie among his many mentees

Bro u sleepy

@@just-a-guy9857 the defense in Kyries era let’s players shoot 46%😂😂 in Kobe’s era the defense gaved players a 44% shooting average…kobe in his prime during that era was at 46%👌 let Kyrie get old and will see how bad his fg% goes down 😂😂😂

@@Kingdoscuatro “the defense allows” so Wilt must not be that much of an all time great.

@@just-a-guy9857 even Defensive rating formula shows Kobe’s era was better defensively 😂👉2000s better defensive Rating 👌 2000 defensive rating 104.1 2001 defensive rating 103.0 2002 defensive rating 104.5 2003 defensive rating 103.6 2004 defensive rating 102.9 2005 defensive rating 106.1 2006 defensive rating 106.2 2007 defensive rating 106.5 2008 defensive rating 107.5 2009 defensive rating 108.3 2010 defensive rating 107.6

Well said 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

Fact! People forget kyrie went to Kobe’s camps and learned moves from him

And Kobe was a student of Jordan is he not more skilled than Jordan?

@@spidey3883 Kobe more skilled then both but Mike didn’t actually train Kobe. Kobe trained kyrie during summers

@@spidey3883 and Jordan was a student of Dr. J… your point?

62 in 3 quarters vs Mavs 61 👌

@@luckybuckeye2283 in an era where teams only scored 97ppg instead of 110ppg like they do now.

With your logic David Robinson must be in contention for most skilled since he scored 71 in the 90s lmao

@@antione yeah sure, because scoring 71 as a center in the 90’s means it took all skill right? Foh boy 😂

@@antione I didn’t say that’s WHY he’s the most skilled. He’s the most skilled because he has the most versatile skillset in nba history. But if you wanna take it there, we can. First of all, David Robinson scored 71 in ‘94 but that doesn’t mean it was harder to score. It wasn’t. They didn’t allow zone defenses at the time and it was harder to double team without getting called for illegal defense. In ‘94, nba teams averaged 101ppg. Still more than They did in ‘05-06 when Kobe had 62 in 3 quarters. Pace was faster in the 90s also, so teams got more possessions. Kobe also had 81 that same season (‘05-‘06) So no, David Robinson isn’t the most skilled. He doesn’t have the more versatile skillset and he scored less points in an era where it was easier to score.

Recency bias is the foundation of Lebron’s GOAT status argument.

Keep the likes at 8 if you know what I mean

offensive package, kyrie (arguably), offensive and defensive, kobe (not arguable)

@@bobobo-bobryant4211 nah I’m going to push it to 11.

@@Stoichem Lebron fans use the same rhetoric lol “best all around basketball player” - what does that even mean? That’s a way I guess to put him over Jordan because you can’t using scoring titles, MVPs, FMVPs or Championships, Defensive Player Awards so you use that same recycled sentence. Cool.

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This is FACTS

Steve Nash too 🤷‍♂️

I'd say Iverson's lay up package is better.

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Old head

Kyrie is more skilled brother

It’s the fact that his drops 50s 40s in a high field goal percentage and at 6’2 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

@@rpjtv8041 at what?

Pretty sure the debate is about offensive skill

He is not even on the same level as Kobe or Iverson

@Anthony Clark FACTS !! POTM at it’s finest !!

So if your kindergarten teacher teaches you 2+2, and at 21 you go through college as a math major, is she still better than you just because she taught you math first...

@@barehands9614 you thought that was a smart retort. Lol.

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Kobe had 62 points in 33 minutes. The Mavericks (2nd in the West) had 61 after 36 minutes. Kobe was up 62 to 61 after 3 with 3 minutes on the bench. Let that sink in.

@@DrewSkinner uhh, I wasn’t implying Kobe wasn’t impressive man…And Kobe probably had to throw up 40 shots for those 61 pts. Kyrie scored 50 on 19 FG attempts…let that sink in.

@@gogz1981 kyrie 60 pts 31 shots, kobe 62 pts (in 3 quarters) 31 shots

But.. that's not consistent for Kyrie.. the efficiency part. Here's the thing.. there's is no and should be no comparison between the two. Kobe was actually a more skilled player. Kyrie is one of..if not.. the greatest finishers ever. I started my son on some lay up and finishing drills of Kyrie. The improvements around the rim was obvious by the next season..by his junior year he was making incredible shots when taking it to the rim. So.. what is obvious to me is this..both Kobe and Kyrie put in years of work to become the players who we see/saw on the court

100%, he only respects modern/current players. Carrying on.

@@retrosoul8770 Also, Perk is not a shooting guard, so he does not have enough insight to be making such a bold statement and be taken seriously.

Man this!

this is a bad take considering he NEVER shot above 47% in a season for his entire career, and he’s had multiple great rosters.

They also don't factor in how smart of a defender and how good Kobe's off ball game was. I'm starting to really think that the NBA media believes that skill is simply dribbling, shooting, and post moves.💀

I love Kobe but it’s not disrespectful to have kyrie in that conversation y’all act like kyrie isn’t one of the most skilled ever

@@100ovrbatmanbron7 multiple great rosters lol. You wanna tell me who was great when Kobe scored 81 because Bynum and Brown average under double figures and Odom averaged 14 for the season... out of prime with back issues Nash, out of prime Payton and Malone.... I wonder why Kobe had to do so much.

Exactly bro. They always disrespecting his legacy. This is nothing new.

Its not disrespect. KI does things on the court nobody in history can do and he makes it look easy at 6'2... he's more efficient than kobe at 4 inches shorter getting the same defense or better thrown at him and he makes degree l defenders look far more silly than kobe ever did with LESS practice than kobe. Its not disrespect, this man just blessed when it comes to skill.

in the 40’s to early 90’s* not just 80’s and 90’s

@Ron Ron lol nah MJ DID 🤡🤡🤡

And where does it say that in NBA rule book you can’t crossover like Iverson 🤦🏾😂 get real facts before you speak

@@Kingdoscuatro bruh are you stupid, back in the 40’s up to early 70’s you couldn’t dribble using the lower half of basketball until tim hardaway where he loosened it up a little using crossovers where it was legal then allen iverson just destroyed that rule in the early 2000’s. Get your facts right

@@shiro9112 bring some facts then to prove your statement 👌I’ll wait

Doesn’t mean he’s better. Stop acting like a female. As a scoring skill set Kyries is better, shouldn’t even be contentious

@@julian2238 I truly appreciate your comment. Kyrie is the greatest skill EVER!!!

Bro kyrie is a scoring machine. He is a demon in the offensive

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more creative around the room? no ask yao ming, dwight howard, KG kobe had an above the time game kyries is non existant. And u cant blame his positions either, because of players like derrick rose, westbrook, nate robinson, they were all PGs that coud go over you or around/under u.

@@DrewSkinner Kyrie is definitely more creative around the rim. He literally has the best layup package of all time

@@jaypc6680 Jordan still have the best layup package ever

@@DrewSkinner That has to do more with his athleticism. Kyrie's game is literally ahead of his time. He literally created moves/counters that we haven't seen in the league. Thats how basketball works. The next generation uses the previous generation as a blueprint and innovated off of it.

Especially knowing Kobe put the team, and the fans first, even in an injured state.

Work ethic and killer mindset should be separate from "skills", even though both can be worked on, like a skill. Kobe couldn't shoot like this kid on a nightly basis.

That’s a lie Kyrie is more electrifying

@@micahjones-merrell6136 stop. Outside of this season with his 60 and 50 pt games kyrie has memorable moments kobe not only had memorable moments but several memorable games.

well there are harlem globetrotters who handle the ball with more dexterity than jordan or shaq, but i wont call them better players

It's like that with all retired players they forget so it's recent bias lol in 15 yrs they gonna say so and so the best skilled ever it's a never ending cycle that will go on

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Funny thing is espn mostly hire bums that can tow the line. When Paul pierce have kobe on his top 5,ESPN had a whole video to trash him. Journalistic Integrity is a joke.

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Yeah with 25 Freethrows...😂

@@toms5774 When you're getting dominated like that fouling is the only option 😆

In 4 quarters? Rewatch the game

Kyrie doing what he does with his frame and height shows how skilled he is. Because the only way he can score is absolute skill. He can’t use his physicality like other superstar players. So I think it’s obvious that kyrie is the most skilled

@@fk4410 did Kyrie play in the 4th quarter? Kobe didn't, did Kyrie?

Kobe scored 55 in a half before

Yeah that’s what I meant

Is kyrie will to win or clutch ness or his defense Kobe was 1st team D 10 times

True but that Kyrie was nowhere near as good as current kyrie

Fact

He was a baby loll

Clamped him too

@@koomjorge Kobe was passed his prime that’s not an excuse

Kyrie is most skilled ever

Yeah.. availability has nothing to do with actual skill. Availability affects production

Thats like saying vince carter is the most skilled

MJ is more skilled and kyrie is too

@@skipbayless5107 nah

Putting Kyrie on the same stratosphere as Kobe is "Blasphemous" lol

Skip Bayless You saying that cause Kobe’s efficiency. Guess Derozan is more skilled than Kobe cause he’s shooting 50% 😂. Isn’t it ironic Demar was shooting below 45% & shooting 20% from 3 on low attempts from 3 in Toronto way worst efficiency than Kobe ever had other than Kobe’s first two years & his last 3 years with injuries. Don’t you think Kobe could’ve been more efficient with a different system, different era and different type of player that get him super efficient like other players have had he could’ve been more efficient. If Demar can shoot 50%, Kobe can too

No offense but you’re kind of an idiot. Yes Kobe had better defense, but on offense, Kyrie has him beat. He can do everything that Kobe can do on offense except play above the rim. But he can do it all better. Better shooting numbers. Better ballhandling. Just as good Foot work and balance.

I was just about to comment until you said bird. Have a good day my guy

Oh and Kobe wasn’t a great 3 point shooter and Bird didn’t have anywhere near the handle of Kyrie. Kyrie has ZERO offensive weaknesses.

@@327JCG Bird scored 45 points against Dominique and the Hawks shooting left handed! Google it!

@@327JCG Kobe had 0 offensive weakness. He wasn’t as good a 3 point shooter as Kyrie but he was definitely a clutch 3point shooter and it wasn’t a weakness. Kobe was a better skilled defensive player than Kyrie as well.

Post game Kobe>kyrie

This whole comment makes no sense 😐

That has nothing to do with skills 🤦‍♂️

@@travisealy3512 kobe taught kyrie everything he knew

He wouldn't play as many games😒😒

Wouldn't he just be Jordan then?

@@DemonKing-oi4jd if your saying Kyrie and Jordan have the same exact skill set then ig. But they don’t. So no.

kobe has all of that plus defense which does take skill which is why kobe had to learn to be even better on defense by getting tips by gary payton and a deeper post bag than kyrie because kobe would hit skyhooks and hooks over centers and other crazy difficult shots in an era with no spacing.

@@VK-mn7mt Once again, when talking about "skills"/"most skilled", it's offensive repertoire that's being evaluated, not defense. So bringing up defense is irrelevant. I already brought up how Kobe's skill set is just as complete... The difference is, Kyrie has the edge in a few of those categories all while being smaller and much less athletically gifted. Sure, Kobe was better at hook shots (which size and position obviously plays a part in)... Well Kyrie is better at layups in general, ball handling, and long range shooting (vice versa). See, we can't ignore the efficiency element when evaluating, since Kyrie and Kobe can do pretty much all of the same things respectively. The same way it's noteworthy for Kobe to do MJ things while not being the athlete MJ was, it must be acknowledged that Kyrie is doing those same things while being much smaller and less athletic than both... For Kyrie, the difficulty is higher in a sense, yet he's more efficient. I'm simply saying, in fairness, Kobe can't definitively be put ahead of Kyrie skill wise... Evidence doesn't support that definitive stance.

Is it nostalgia? or does the difference come from determining what is actual skill? The "and one" generation always thinks that athleticism means better player.

Did u forget the st Patrick’s hs documentary?

So did Kevin Durant. Lmao. Who cares?

@ Jon Russell...Bird was not a lock down Defender a help Defender yes...did he ever make all NBA Team

He must not have studying very hard. Kobe liked to show up to work.

@@dirkdar1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Bron surpassed him after the 3rd ring

@@corey5712 what that got to do with anything I just said

@@Imacute798 because I just stated the reason they don't bring him up.

@@corey5712 but you still could bring up more than 2 names some already do when they mention Kareem as the goat all depends on who you talking to

@@Imacute798 u said the goat conversation. It used to be 3 or 4 names they would usually talk about(depending who u ask 2 or 3, and even more so Kobe may not be there depending who)Ever since Bron won his chip in Cleveland they mostly narrowed it down to him and Mike. Unless the original post was sarcasm idk what u want me to say dawg

kobes signature move is a reverse lay up or dunk over multiple bigs in an era that was more clogged, he had a crazy good lay up bag and would dominate defensively which is skills as well and he also had a deeper post package including kareems skyhook.

Fax! A 6'6" two way guard is ideal af and hasnt fail basketball yet. tatum and brown perfect example

KD game is beautiful😂

Lebron and Kobe played in the same era….clearly u don’t watch basketball

I don't understand, Lebron came into the league in 2003, 6 years before Kobe's next championship and you say they didn't play in the same era. Ya'll don't even watch basketball

At least I’m not the only one that has Magic ahead of Bron

@@Stoichem you sound crazy asl they overlapped

@@umiii8541 Dude I'm much older than you. They overlapped. The game start getting mad soft how you think he going hard in year 19.

Kyrie Irving? Inconsistent? What are we talking about here?

I agree that it's not kyrie but they said "skilled" not "skilled scorer". So then "skilled" would have to encompass all basketball skills on both sides of the ball.

I guess we never heard of Allen Iverson 🤷

@@jermainejones4388 he’s a more efficient scorer than AI and arguably a better ball handler but AI is for sure a much better team leader than Kyrie.

@@princemattan2417 Kyrie never led his team to a championship offensively like Iverson. Kyrie rode LeBron coat tail to his

@@jermainejones4388 yup.

If you talking about just skills with a basketball I think players from the Harlem globetrotters can do way more with a basketball than kyrie. If you talking about competitively in the NBA, Kobe did it better and maybe AI.

@bLIZKA Jordan was definitely skilled. But Kobe was alittle more skilled. He had to be to make up for what he lacked physically compared to Jordan

Kyrie regularly takes on triple teams lol check the game against the Heat last month

Klay had 60 in 29 minutes, I wouldn't call him more skilled than Kobe, bad arguement.

Bird man please get out of here

Yeah clutch performances has nothing to do with physical, basketball in his hands skill, and I say physical because that's what perk means.

@@robbanks7540 but skill has to translate with results. Being able to use them when you need them. I get what perk is saying but to say he’s the most skilled ever after he drops 60 is an emotional statement. Kobe did it all at a high level and won as well. That’s why it’s hard to put em over, in my opinion.

@@YKSupe well kobe did get carried by shaq .Kyrie has to do everything by himself as a number 1

@@darnellwilliams8783 with Boston the only time he’s had his own team and it didn’t go so well. First 3 chips you can credit em to Shaq but them other 3 Kobe’s for sure

@@YKSupe Kyrue had to carry all those rookies and kobe barely git the kajers to the playoffs without shaq

Don’t you take skill as a consideration to make the best player opinion? Lol. You can’t be the best if youre not skilled haha.

Where is Kyrie’s post game & DEFENSE lol

How many unanimous MVPs does Kyrie have?

@@RichFresco Did u even read his comment. Curry is the better player, but he's not more skilled than kyrie.

@@xix8597 Kyrie has a post game for sure he just doesn't use it often because he's also 6'2" and small, and yea defense for sure is lacking, but if we're talking offensively than there's really nothing he cant do below the rim.

i feel like kobe is top 5 comfortably in those categories and 1st in skill IMO 1MJ 2 Kobe all time