Ok wait, after watching the Reload Version, I have to say - THIS version is so amazingly effective in highlighting the urgency, shock, and the "oh shit this is happening rn!?" feeling in the situation. While the 3D Version highlights the sadness of the whole thing, the creeping grief and the "no no no please don't go yet" feeling. In my opinion lol.
Admittedly, theme wise, I prefer reload. Shinji’s death felt more like he got to do it on his own terms there, while being surrounded by his teammates and friends, rather than walking into the spotlight right after. Plus, Reload really sold the ‘yeah, I’m probably gonna be gone in a few months anyways’ thing.
I maxed his SL with the female MC and saved him, because well, he's pure awesomeness. even though he dies everywhere else... PSP saved me the trouble :)
Helena Johannesen No, he was dying and is going to die either way. The only thing FeMC route did was strip away one of the most important scene and ruin the motivation for Akihiko's and Ken's resolve.
Chunky Tubs no matter how much it hurts, I prefer the PS2 version. Shinjiro is a selfless dude That saves his friends, even if it cost his life. Saving him would feels too soft for the story and the theme of this game.
I have a theory to why shinjiro couldn't be revived/healed. The dark hour has JUST ended after the group just got there meaning no personas and unnatural resistances thus the gun wounds stayed and were lethal. The light in the light post some what confirms this theory as electronics don't normally function during the dark hour.
Same! Reload’s my first experience with these characters, mind their time skip versions in P4 Arena Ultimax. I just made it to October 4th earlier today, and I’m in shambles over it. Can I just say, I was about to use my stat modifiers on Aragaki, but withheld from doing so? I wanted to pump his Strength and Defense through the roof, but just didn’t cuz I’ve been debating using the incenses on my party or my character’s personas (for NG+ Personas in the compendium)
@@aigis6864 You do have a point, but what about protecting your comrades? In this case you arrived just too late to stop him but it would have been odd if you don’t when have a chance to shoot someone to protect your teammates.
I definitely prefer this version of this scene more than the Reload version. It’s a little scuffed, with the characters other than Shinji and Ken standing awkwardly, but damn, the camera work and presentation are more impactful here.
This is actually one of the few scenes that I think Reload does a lot better. I miss the quick camera shots and cinematography from FES, but Shinji falling over Ken, dying in Akihiko's arms, and the party properly reacting felt more impactful to me. Bonus points for removing "Cmon kid, you're just a kid" lmao. I could do without Koromaru howling though, that was unnecessary. Tho It's a shame that Reload scuffed Aki's ultimate awakening :/
@@rhovenom04 The direction in the original is superior to Reload, the camera movements and timings. Reload rushes the whole scene making it look almost comical, added to the ps3 models in a next gen game.
Tanrahk12 i do not understand why you do not understand this... when we are exploring tartarus, and someone 'dies' they just get knocked unconscious. so they can be revived with a spell or an item. Unfortunately, in Shinjiro's case, he really died so there was nothing we could do.
I have to say, I like this version of Shinjiro’s death better than the one in Reload. I get it, Reload’s is more realistic or faithful to the movies, but this gives a Cu Chulainn-like epic final moments to Shinji.
Reload is far better IMO. This one isn't bad but Shinji dying in Aki's arms just gave way more feels and Shinji petting Koro along with Koro howling at his death was a clincher for immediate tears, to say nothing of the vastly improved voice acting and production quality.
Simply the reason why revival/healing items or magic didnt work, is because of the fact that the dark hour ended just as he died; and as such they were unable to revive him in time. this is seen in the movie & how the spotlight at 1:25 is turned on, signifying that electronics are on.
is not like party members are dead more likely inconceus because in the canon they never will fall or ever use "items" , they win , maybe damaged but winners at all
Also there is a gap between plot and gameplay. When a party member dies in battle he’s most likely just unconscious and far from death since persona have great healing abilities. When all the members are ko you’re simply finished because you cannot fight back in the enemy territory and shadows don’t make any prisoners. When the leader dies it’s also like that because it’s implied they cannot handle any fight without you. Which considering you’re the wild card isn’t too bad in my opinion: you’re always the strongest asset and the entire strategy is on your shoulders (in the first 3 Persona games since you’re not the wild card and everyone has around the same strength overall you can let the main character die and revive him no problem) In every single death in the persona series there are no light wounds to heal but lethal ones that knock you down in a few seconds (in P2 there’s even a scene where they try to heal a character with healing abilities but the wound was too lethal to recover from and the character lost too blood). From the plot prospective the damage you take in battle is nowhere near that (the HP bar is more representative of your ability to fight back than anything else).
Oh God... I was like "no shit, a little bit of drama now... Of course he isnt going to die, hah", a few seconds later: "WTF, seriously???? He really died? g-g" and the I started to cry and stopped playing after they went back to the dorm the next day. Dammit, I liked Shinji g-g I was so sad when I went to check the status and his name wasn't there anymore......
+Neo Virz yeah ;-; when I watched the movie I was like "oh boy, I won't possibly cry again cause I know he's gonna die beforehand and stuff :v" then Shinji died and I started to cry all over again. The feels will always be so strong ;-;
Same, friend. And I even started be fond of him. Such a Serious and Complex Character, but with a Lovely Hearth for his companions and the people he cares. Even he was a Man who Loves Cooking and Dogs. For me, he is the Perfect Man I really want to be. Such a Gentleman. How Hearthbreaking that he passed away. But Thank God wasn't in bane. He gave everything for Ken and redeem his mistakes. You're finally in peace, Shinji. Like a Good Person. I'll never let him out from my Persona Q Party. Even if Persona 4 is my Favorite Persona Game... The Meaning and Importance of Living in P3 it's too dark, but deep and reflexive 💙 💔 ✨
The fact that it even shocked the blank slate of a character that is Makoto is actually nutso He really does have emotion when you're not dictating his every move
Whats sad is the only game I can think of that actually tried their best to revive someone was in Final Fantasy 5 it didnt work but at least they tried
I understand why the recarm skills don't work when you actually die but what I do not understand is that he was alive when their arrived they could have healed him until the dark hour passes and then bring him to the hospital. Excluding ken they had 4 people that could at least diarama I do not understand this
SilentArt there is light from lamp So, there is no dark hour That's why he was shoot, and not killed with persona However, in p3 movie, there is dark hour P3 movies are bad. The only good things about them is OST, VA and animation
Remember in Innocent Sin when Maya gets stabbed with the spear of Longinus and the myth that it made Jesus bleed forever made it so healing magic wouldn't work on her? That made sense. I can only assume that there's supplementary material saying that revolver Jesus has some kind of Jesus revolver that does the same thing.
Nah that didn't happen the only excuse i can think of is that all of the healers were too drained from the fortune/strength fight and spells like recalm don't reserect the dead but only wake up knocked out people based off of if someone is taken out in tartarus and aren't Recalmed they still live
@@thevgshow2723 no? it's because the dark hour was over, you can see the light post turning on in this scene and eletronics don't work inside the dark hour
@@dinisb Evokers can be used outside of the dark hour, it's not like Persona 4 and 5 were they can only use their powers in the mental world, IIRC Chidori and Fuuka both do it in game and in the arena games they mention that in the TV they don't need the evokers like they do in real world, long after the dark hour was gone
true; the animation has an eerie vibe to it and the cinematography just help sell what the characters are feeling- confusion and grief. also ken’s scream at the end in this version is leagues better than reload’s version
Right after his funeral go to the command room to watch his cutscene, I dare you. I just did it
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This is where I determined everyone in Strega had to die. No spoilers please, I am still not finished with the game I am only to the part where that piece of shit Ikutsuki tried to sacrifice us all.
idk how Reload decided to spend their anime budget, why they dedicated a scene to everyone getting their new SEES outfits and not this. Also why Koromaru had to join in howling at the end when this was really Ken's scene. Felt kind of cheesy. i'm still enjoying the remake but it's just the little things, yknow
That’s exactly how I feel about Reload: the little things just don’t hit as well for me. Like it bothered me that the Persona awakenings after this event were happening on a black screen instead of the overworld. That took me out of the moments quite a bit. I love having my character models and areas look prettier, but I still think I prefer FES overall.
I'm gonna be honest guys. I really don't get why anyone would prefer the FES version over Reload or the movies. Reload's version was miles better in almost every way. Koro's howling only improved the scene imo. Everyone other than Ken and Shinji just kinda stand there, barely giving a reaction. Also, the actual moment Takaya shot Ken isn't even shown here. Reload actually gives us a few shots showing Ken's realization.
Cut scenes are almost nothing, they took out the entire overworld I would think they had enough space. Especially when kingdom hearts ran on it beautifully, cut scenes and all.
they would have had to redo all the cutscenes with the mc in them to have a version with the female protagonist. that's probably the main reason they got rid of them.
@@Triforce9426it's just space limitations really, the psp could handle fes just fine but the umd can only handle 1.6 gb of data, one thing they could've done is be like final fantasy type 0 and bundle 2 umd discs, one for the install data and the other with the rest of the game.
Dont you hate it when rpgs have healing magic but they never use it outside of battle the only rpg i can think of that did that was lost odyssey. Also hate that takaya shot shinji and he died but late on in battle he shoots you and you brush that shit off like it was nothing.Dammit i want shinjiro to live!! At least theres persona Q...
i loled and cried at this i laughed at the sudden shocked faces of all of the characters present even koromaru just the dog going OAO was amazing but i got real depressed cause shinji was my favorite character in all persona games when i played through this part i was like fuck tests and fuck Tartarus i hate you revolver jesus
He dies from the pills anyways. Takaya was right about Shinjiro dying either way. He really had no choice. I like this better because it shows their reactions to the whole thing head-on. It’s more emotional and creates a better scene why Ken and Akihiko are most affected by it and the result of their evolutions of Personas.
As much as it pains me to say it, Sunshine Child Nanako should've stayed dead for the characters to have more drive and development because of the events of the Heaven Arc.
Try saying something meaningful when your chest's bleeding and you're losing consciousness. Methinks he made the most of what little time he had to pass that knowledge onto Ken.
Just got to this point in the game. It was sad but on the other hand I really didn't care. Never used him in my party and we really didn't have much interactions in the game with him before hand. Maybe I'm just heartless? D:
