Edit: 6-Turn Kill Elizabeth fight is here > ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y9e4Qj5wIBA.htmlsi=XqIUgXbKFPwT_LRH Original comment: Apparently this can be brought down to 6 turn kill or """maybe""" lower. I forgot about the fortune teller in Escapade being able to make us charge up Theurgia faster, which renders that stalling for time with Heat Riser irrelevant.
@@Zrego yes I did that just replace slash boost with slash driver, in the end I defeated too but it take 2 turns more, I use fuuka to charge the theurgy and make a lot of dmg the 2 turns extra was for charge another atk and the theurgy
Awesome video, I tried to replicate it but I restarted for over 1 hour and still couldn't get the 7 turn clear due to several RNG factors: 1. You have to crit on scarlet havoc, and it has to be a 5k+ roll. I barely failed when I low rolled 4.9k 2. She has to use concentrate + diamond dust when switching to jack frost. If she uses Rakukaja + diamond dust you'll miss the kill 3. When she switches to Thor she has to NOT use tarunda or similarly you'll miss the kill 4. Fuuka thuergy must give you the concentrate boost for your morning star. There's a chance you roll heat riser on Fuuka theurgy instead and well that's most likely a restart. 5. Finally you need to not low roll any of the attacks if not you'll barely miss the kill. I got mad at failing all the RNG checks and just decided to do it properly and got the kill by stalling longer in first phase to ensure I do enough damage that RNG won't fuck me over. The reflect tech was very useful though so thanks for that.
Idk bro i followed the persona you got built. I do the same opening sequence and she uses different abilities and spams almighty until i die. Ive broker 2 controllers fighting her. Im done.
She uses Megidolaon if u break any rules which are not reaching 50 turns for the whole fight, you must not Block, Drain, or Repel any of her attacks and you must not use Armageddon early on
There is so much luck involved in this and its driving me crazy. Fuuka needs to give you charge and focus, but she tends to buff your stats since she uses rakunda. You also need to crit the first turn with a high roll damage, pantarhei needs to hit and also high roll, elizabeth cannot buff her defense or debuff your attack on these first turns as well. Overall, while in the video it seems pretty easy, its actually super hard to get everything to line up perfectly, lots of grind for the best rng.
Very nice I just beat her myself, though I did it straight the full 3 phases. In both cases you need to be careful of the damage output, Theurgy timing and Revelation. Phase 3 is tricky because she SEEMS to be randomly changing persona but its actually a decided pattern with some variation every now and again. Admittedly I could have min maxed some more to make the fight easier but there is fun to be had playing at a disadvantage. Telos is very useful against Elizabeth in general due to resisting everything, making him a safe persona for phase 3, which is why i built him as a physical attacker. Regardless awesome job I always appreciate persona crafting taken to an extreme be it in royal challenge battles to get the highest score or for having an easier time with bosses. Personally I prefer new Elizabeth because it felt less repetitive and keeps you on your toes.
Yooo nice going, glad someone finally made this instead of the long 20 - 30 mins fight. I always end up fumble during that phase transition and can't just get enough damage for the God Hand's counter (my luck to repel that is so sh*t too).
@@tera3833 No. The real reason is that he has the shuffle time bonus cup active. The Queen level variant. Which gives you charge + concentrate. So the initial attacks are boosted damage. Then he rolls charge/concentrate from Theurgy to get another boosted shot with morning star
Armageddon is mandatory to finish the fight, because after the second time you drop her HP to 10 000 or less, she'll start spamming her 9999 Megidolaon.
Leveling Up through the reaper can save some incenses though it’s likely they just bought the gemstones needed for the incenses, and because reaper is easy to farm with Armageddon + Life Aid/Victory Cry you can get loads of money easily
I recommend checking out my updated video on this, get both your St and Ma stats to 99 (theurgia scale on both of them), start the battle with auto charge+concentrate cup cards from shuffle time.
@@Zrego Thank you, having theurgies scale off of both st and ma is weird as hell, but my scarlet havoc ended up doing 5.6k, wanted to try this one as I didn't want to rely on 2 crits.
They changed the way she uses the 9999 Megidolaons in this game. Instead of immediately using it when she detects a null/repel/absorb like in the original, she will now only use the 9999 Megidolaon after she uses the nulled attack.
DLC version when? 👀 Also, I had made some calculations that if you combine one of the exclusive Drivers+Boost+Amp+Magic Ability+ Magic Mastery+Single Target Boost= 240% of damage
I can't personally confirm if this is true or not but I've heard that all theurgies use the average of your Mg and Str stats when calculating damage, so for maximum damage you would need to max out both stats regardless of whether the theurgy is physical or magical. I'm not sure if this could enable you to kill her in less turns as I haven't attempted it but I've almost completed building my personas to attempt killing her in as few turns as possible - it probably won't be the difference between 7 turns and 6 turns though.
You’d probably be able to but I think what would end up happening is either accidentally starting Phase 2 immediately and not being able to farm another theurgy
I got almighty amp mutated from deathbound/heat wave. almighty amp is a rank 8 skill, deathbound and heat wave are both rank 7. you can try your luck by mutating it from Almighty Boost or you can also do what I did with rank 7 skills.
@@Zrego Are there any circumstances/fusions that make skill mutations more likely to occur? Or can I just jam anything that will produce the ones you mentioned together until it works?
iirc the New Moon phase allows for increased fusion accident chances. I'm currently working up to the New Moon on my playthrough to get Almighty Amp as well@@Bladehound83
@@Bladehound83 I heard they occur more common when it's close to full moons but I didn't test it. If that's actually the case, take advantage of it. Or you can just save scum until you get it.
@@Zrego Ended up getting it from Resist Physical inherited by Messiah (I've come to the realization that Telos isn't happening on my first playthrough but want to take a crack at Elizabeth anyway). Wasn't even actively going for it yet either, lmao.
I just beat her and it took quite a toll, my personas were definitely not as optimal, I had a bunch which would repel/null stuff so it was a mess (didn't even have orpheus telos cause I hadn't done amada's link for michael). Is shift amp there for a reason on the elemental personas? Does it actually work? Also, do her personas have a hidden weakness not shown in the analysis? e.g. why you use panta rhei on thor? My 99str persona god's hand crit with strike amp + boost, single target boost, atk up and def down on elizabeth didn't do anywhere near your thanatos' dmg
I definitely think there's a "hidden weakness" not shown in analysis. I also tried using other spells on the Thor turn but it doesn't hit as hard as Panta Rhei even if they are not resisted. Similarly for inferno on jack frost, diamond dust on surtr etc. they just hit harder despite it not being an actual weakness
There’s a hidden weakness system with the Elizabeth fight where she does take increased damage based on the persona she has but if you do this she’ll also skip a persona in the queue. Normally she operates on a queue system where she goes: Surt -> Jack -> Thor -> Cu -> Metatron -> Alice -> Nebiros -> Masakado then it loops again. By hitting anyone one of these with a weakness you skip the next persona switch in the queue, which could end up messing you over if you don’t have any resists to the next persona in line. She also likes to alternate moves after the first queue ends, she’ll either Tarukaja + Brave Blade on Surt or go for another Inferno it’s very inconsistent
You can buy Res Phys from the antique shop but for Resist dark and light you’ll have to grind for them on lowers floors. Omnipotent Orb nulls all damage except Almighty, and Elizabeth will punish you for doing that with instant megidolaons
@@browserjunior4707 but saki mitama basic stat doesn't have all those resist. And your persona skill doesn't inherit passive skill that can resist. How is that even possible?
@@herrisetiawan-h3y Unlike p5r in this game It have normally fire, ice, elec, wind resist, add to that skill cards light, dark, phys resists and you have basically same Ortheus Tellos, the only need is use essenses to boost stats.
If you do all this grinding like in OP's video to max out all of these Personas, then yeah it's definitely easier. I didn't max out anyone except Orpheus Telos (I used an Almighty build which after watching this video was clearly a mistake lol) and the difficulty wound up being comparable to the fight in FES.
Skill mutation. mutate Almighty Boost into it or try to mutate any rank 7 skills (Deathbound, Heatwave, etc) into Almighty Amp, which is a rank 8 skill.
I beat the reaper in my first playthrough but for some reason I still can't go through the monad door at the end of the place it says I require something else but doesn't specify what
@@Zrego maybe I got a glitch I checked Elizabeth's requests and it says number 100 bring me a bloody button and says done next to it guess I'll have to do it next playthrough
He bypass it by repelling the attack causing Elizabeth to go for endless Megidolaon and endure the 1st one. This is really smart since the fight is shorter thx to that
@@Zrego Is this a J level card or a Q level one? I only see Q level ones for the first card I get after an arcana burst. Is that when I have to get that card?
Why didn't you straightaway attack on 3rd turn with fire when she has jack frost equipped? Is it bc the theurgy couldn't charge fast enough to use fuuka's theurgy? That's why you need to stall using heat riser
I built my Thanatos and Messiah the same as yours since I got Wind/Ice Amp and boost card which make it easier to build. Thanks a lot for this guide I finally managed to pull it off after days of farming HAHAHAHA
The dub sucks my guy. Some characters are fine, but 30 y/o sounding Akihiko and side characters fucking kill that thing. Sawashiro as Elizabeth is also infinitely better.
I don't plan on making this kind of videos because that will take a very long time, sorry. However, I suggest checking out a fusion calculator page like aqiu384 to help yourself to cook some good personas (I used that page myself). Hope this helps.
Question. Does she just automatically one shot you after she gets to certain health? That would mean wed have to have some kind of endure or something and that would kind of suck.
@@BleedingDaze01 basically with elizabeth you need to plan EVERYTHING out in advance. And when i say everything, i mean EVERYTHING. you need to have like a calculator on hand because in certain health ranges she will do NOTHING BUT USE 9999 MEGIDOLAON. It's not like the other velvet sibling fights where it's an all out brawl, this is more of a puzzle fight to figure out how to kill her in the first place.
@@Terumimi admittedly that kind of takes the fun out of it having to use certain builds to fight her, but from what I've heard it's not nearly as bad as it was in the originals.
@@BleedingDaze01 You basically need to use Theurgia like crit Scarlet Havoc after she uses Nebiros when her HP is below 13K, she will stop using 9999 Megidolaon if you manage to get her HP to below 10K. But there's that funny Repel Strike exploit that skips the final phase like I did in this vid lmao.
You can't have a persona reflect any of her attacks otherwise she will spam jack frost (concentrate) and pixie (megidolaon) till you die. Resist is fine just have the appropriate gear and persona and the fight is not that bad
Oni, Messiah, Thanatos (yes he's okay now), Saki Mitama, Narcissus, Oberon, Shiva, Siegfried, Chernobog, Anubis. Oh and Orpheus Telos if you manage to max all SLs (which I don't because I can have skill issue, but Telos has never been mandatory lol). Honestly there's a lot.
@@AdacherTheCabbageEater maybe... maybe not... this fight is so easy now that Telos is very unnecessary. I mean he was never mandatory in fes and p3p but he helped with his innate resistances because Liz used to hit hard back then.
