PERTURABO's War with MORTARION and New Lore on His Ascension to Daemonhood | 40K Investigations 

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are there books that are set just after Horus loses?

​@@johnwayne4927 I'm thinking they're gonna start The Scouring book series soon

I liked the idea of the Horned Rat in 40K, but I like the idea of Nagash and a true undead faction not aligned to Nurgle in the 40K universe more.

26:09 if, he was damaged and either became vashtor unlikely or better yet he is with him he is a fusion of all the demon engines with his soul bound do it keeping him alive with gifts and parts from all the gods with or without them wanting it, but vashtor decided to do it, so it's not his perfect body hut it's vastors attempt to create his engines in to a demon prince. Like the forced ascension idea but he could save himself but vashtor did / could. 😅

Too important. Shiny crowns and tedious meeting would slow down the ACTUAL most valuable players.

Neither of them could manage the politics of being Warmaster, despite their talents in war itself- the only ones capable of the job were Horus, Guilliman or Sanguinius

You don't promote people who can actually do their job to manager. You promote people who can't or don't do their job well, and hope they'll be better suited for management.

Horus was promoted to babysit the primarchs and make sure they don't kill each other. Sanguinius and Horus were the only viable picks for warmaster because they couldnt have any obvious horrible feuds., both thought the other was more deserving.

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Thank you! I wish I could articulate the point like you, new lore is awful and you have solidified my head cannon lore

​@@cegesh1459cope harder

Maybe the fckr became a literal machine spirit 😂💀

It’d be cool if it he turns against the traitors whilst also not joining the Imperium Having a traitor Legion that isn’t chaos but is just out to make their own Imperium would be a cool twist, although I bet that’s their plans for the Alpha Legion

you think he injected himself with Dorn's geneseed or what?

A real girl boss then, slay queen!!

@@venga3 😂😂

Obliterator dreadnought

Would be so fkin cool and explain the "ascension to demonhood" maybe he stole power from the gods like his father to empower himself and make himself a god of his own???

@MohammedS2001 perhaps part of that ascension required a shedding of your past self or an option to which perty might just take. It just doesn't necessarily line up with the perfect weapon story arc he's looking to follow though

@@HalcyonDaze149 depends on what kind of weapon he wants to be. Concepts can be weapons just as easily as a gun. Make someone believe in something hard enough and you can start wars

I love the sound of that

Sadly, that doesn’t work as Vashtor is older than Perturabo.

Real And if they want to bring back Ferris It's very epic if they make Him a headless Pray mark undead serving the emperor as a imperial demon

I Sa thinking the same, he could have had a hand in crafting his own god, and since it aligns with his will, it would not be a surrender in his view. And then Vashtorr, due to warptime being wonky, ended up having existed all along in retrospect.

Be’Lakor fits the same narrative purpose as Malice nowadays, if you think about it.

lol

Lmao

Horus went toe to toe with the Big E, I'd be scared of him too

None of the primarchs should be in 40k

Thats what I thought, but then in some editions when he do ascend the Model will not sold anymore and replaced by a demon prince of vashtorr 😂

Nurgle chose Peter turbo first but he denyed him and settled for Mortarion.

I am pretty sure corvus hasnt spend 10k years waiting in lorgar's doorstep. That fight beetween the two was _seriusly_ overblown. These two have an un-life outside each other, specially considering lorgar's loyalist beef is with guilliman.

I think he had a hand in creating him. Then he would only be a slave to his own design. A suitable, bitter compromise.

I like that people think the warp is only four chaos gods but it is so vast yeah the chaos gods owns a lot of it but there are gaps to which the chaos gods are unaware of or even afraid of

chaos undivided acension is accomplished by managing to appear all 4 gods of chaos knowingly or not. it is a harder route to become a deamon prince from and those who accomplish it managed with a greater challenge

I like this, and it will now live in my brain. Thank you random scholar of nerdy things!

@@Diditallforthexp I meant to say "thank you" and "you're welcome". Maybe I'm a scholar, but I think of myself more as "a creative" who's a big fan of The Iron Warriors. I've tried to absorb the lore and the mood and the vibe in order to illustrate my models. I don't *really* know what Perturabo would do, but I do believe the seeds of the story have already been planted. At this point of the story, I think Perturabo wants two things: he wants to be no one's tool ever again and he wants revenge against the ones he hates and that's Horus, Dorn and The Emperor. He's lost everything. And as Bob Dylan once said "when you ain't got nothin', you got nuthin' to lose". He now lives to inflict destruction and construct the great monument to his loathing, and that will eventually be Medrengaard. But first he must possess the power, the ability to wreak his vengeance. It'll be interesting to see how he chooses to gain that power and what form he will take. Grahama McNeill has described him as a white, dead face staring out of an Iron Sarcophagus. He is still wearing his original armor, changed by The Warp into a dreadnought type of form? I suppose? His hammer has completely changed. But that's about all we know. We don't know what his powers as a deamon are, but that will be really cool to see. Most people I've talked to would like to see him as a super Obliterator, fleshmetal cannons to the max! I really look forward to a model one day!

Daemon Prince of Necoho

Kinda like Corvus

I love that idea! As a horror fan, my favorite 40K demons are the ones that just show up in stories and you have no idea what God they actually serve.

Aye. Tapping into his true Inner Warp Power like Corvus Corax did feels far more in line with Peter Turbo's character over selling his soul to Chaos.

I like to think he made a deal with Vashtorr and is NOT(!!!) a daemon prince, but basically still is

Khorne: Did you say "weapon" Tzeetch: is someone scheming?

Perturabo: Hop into this engine room for me.

@@Guardsman-sy8qm "*Fulgrim hops in beside Perturado*"

We all know he is the traitor primarchs favorite tool. As a matter of fact I would dare to say he is the most effective tool chaos has ever had at its disposal. All you have to do is blow a little bit of smoke up his ass by giving him a compliment and give him a near impossible task and watch him go like a wind up toy!

Nurgle: smells like cybernetics!

Dorm army got dismantled, man handled fulgrim. Watchu mean? deception is a bitch, dude was deceived.

Oddly enough, I clicked after it was done and arrived two days before it started.

Watching it live right now. Feeling kinda itchy though.

Mine Is that Perty Will turn vashtor into a suit of armor. He Will wear vashtor.

Nah, dorne's too smooth brained to have any deep thought processes beyond building a better wall

If Dorn returns I hope he returns dressed in black with gold trim and has been on crusade with his Templar Brethren all this time... It would be glorious!

P.S Dorn isn't dead. GW already retconned the date the Rynn's World incident happened so the aftermath lines up with the end of the Indomitus Crusade. How does this prove Dorn lives on? Well in the book Rynn's World they specifically mention an artifact on the Crimson Fists homeworld that contains some of Dorns still living blood. Something like his blood still being fine proves he still lives on and is watching over his sons is said, hinting he is perfectly fine. No other reason why GW would retcon the date of the incident. Towards end of Indomitus Crusade Guilliman reaches Rynn's World and meets Chapter Master Kantor. He instructs him to finish clearing the system of xenos and then to stand ready...... Hinting at later lore progression.

There is the little detail that Perty helped kill Dorn's dad, i cant see them being on civil terms after that.

Short answer? No. Long answer? Nooooooooooooo

Becoming a Daemon Prince doesn't take away his free will though does it? iirc Mortarian did things here and there that Nurgle wouldn't have liked either and he was tied to him specifically.

@@Oppen1945 It does. The only question is if you are aware that it is taken away from you. I believe in the fall of cadia book, this one guy become a demon prince. And realises suddenly how he loses his free will, being allowed to ponder that loss just enough to feel some regret then that does not matter anymore either.

​@@drankrurtbf that's only one that we see who doesn't seem to have free will. Daemon primarchs specifically seem to have a lot of free will

@@NeloBladeOfRanni Until they want to do something that crosses their gods. The impression of free will is not the same as free will. Magnus wanted to kill ahriman, was stopped. Mortarion wanted to kill typhus, was stopped. They likely have some agency to do things, but the chains are there. Just not seen.

That'd be amazing and would leave the door open for him becoming a loyalist. Of all the traitors other than horus, Perturabo is the one I wish had stayed loyal. Imagine him joining vashtor and failing and before he can be punished tormented by chaos, he's saved by his father. Full circle.

maybe it willbe something closer to a knight with a defiler bottom

More like a hammer than a sword

@@Dreadbringer that's fair. A hammer destroys and creates.

@@MatthewAdlard my thought exactly

That's a very unfair analogy towards Perturabo. He was obviously very capable of creating and destroying. He was just never allowed to build all the designs he had that were not related to war.

I think all the reasons you gives are the perfect argument for him to be a demon prince actually 🤣 He is most above all characterised by the purest of spite toward anything and anyone. Being tricked by fulfrim and forced to rely on something that he utterly hate, forcing himself to serve a purpose that he despise so much in order to survive... Now that would generate some incredible amount of hatred. Look at Mortarion himself, equally hateful of the warp if not more and yet forced into being a servitor of nurgle. Having perturabo in a constant state of hate toward the entire universe because of what he was forced to become is the best kind of development i could see for him. I get why iron warrior fans are advert to change for their primarch, but it would be too much of a waste to have him just being his 30K self

I think maybe he just asked the chaos gods to heal the poison by sacrificing the geneseed from the iron cage, thinking that they would accept the sacrifice and not take a piece of him. But then the chaos gods thought it would be hilarious to turn an anti warp traitor into a demon by which I mean Tzeentch.

Mistake? He was always a demon prince they haven’t made any decisions his character since day 1 was that of a demon

He should align with the Dark Mechanicum and uncover some God tier dark age tech to turn his armor into some kind of ultra overpowered dreadnaught.

Well, how in the Start from "End and Death III" Perty wanted to become the perfect Weapon to beat Horus when he comes to punish him. At this Point, he thought Horus wins the Siege. So the Iron Cage wasn´t intented for Dorn at first because the Imperial Fists would be all dead. Sacrificing the Gene Seed was 100% NOT his Plan, if he even ever did that. It would be cool if he didnt become a Human but his entire Armor is a Demon Engine and he kind of "absorbs" Demon via Machines and uses their Power, hence the Nurgle Magic. Maybe a lot of his Armor contains Life Support. It would explain why he looked like a Corpse, it was sayed the Wound on his Soul would kill him, not how long it will take.