PETER PAN & WENDY | This Was Terrible! 

And was there a Lost Boy with Down Syndrome or did I just imagine that?

The Lost Boys were all boys because girls were too clever to get lost. That's from the original writings.

Yeah, the only reason Peter is even in the title is to get people to watch. He's the villain and Wendy is Mary Sue.

Don't you find it sad that Wendy's happy thoughts about growing up are only the ''feminist'' possibilities? Finishing school, flying a plane (probably in a war, what the fuck Wendy?), being a writer, and then dying alone. She doesn't think about starting a family. Hell, she doesn't even think about spending time with her brothers who apparently were the reason why she did a 180 about growing up in the first place! Because she has to be mature and take care of them while they're alone!

They ruined both Wendy and Peter. He is a total jerk that they basically throw away by the end. Wendy is also a jerk who we're supposed to care about simply because shes a girl. And yet, Wendy was much stronger as a mother-figure. The Lost Boys basically turned their backs on Peter to hear Wendy tell them a story. They suddenly respected the feminine Wendy more than their god, Peter Pan

Tolkien pretty much predicted this modern 'deconstructive' trend. Evil cannot create life: only twist, corrupt or wraith that which already exists into an unrecognizable, yet horrifying state.

Having lost girls literally defeats the purpose of Wendy going too Neverland as Pan brought her too Neverland too be something of a maternal example for them

Disney calling girls dumb by adding girls in Lost Boys is very funny for me. (If we stick to the source material)

This and the Pinocchio remake did one good thing. They both made me appreciate and want to re-watch the original animated movies.

I love that they got rid of Wendy's gentle, nurturing personality that taught the lost boys about how important and natural it was to grow up. Which led the change in them. I adore how they got rid of the fact that the reason there were no girls who were lost was because girls were too smart to get lost. I love that they made everyone much less likable versions of themselves, even when the try to make hook more a more tragic character, all they manage to do is destroy Peter's character without improving Hook at all. Why does Disney think "modern audiences" want terribly written stories with forced diversity and bad messages that don't really stand the test of time like the original ones did? I'm sorry, but nothing in this movie was inspired. I was bored throughout the entire thing. Law's performance was great, but it's not enough to save this movie. Tinkerbell had no real personality- even Peter apparently can't understand her anymore despite them having been friends for many, many years. Wendy, of course, can take on full grown men in actual sword fights because she pretend dueled with her little brothers with wooden swords. Tiger Lily insists on speaking her native language, even to people who don't understand it-when she knows English and knows that they can't speak her language. This movie is very bland. Neverland is missing pretty much all of its charm, and there's very little color in this movie. Also, I wasn't convinced Tinkerbell actually cared about anything happening even in scenes where it's assumed she'd be upset. They made Peter much less charming, not only due to the acting, but just the actions and dialogue given to the character. Wendy had no real reason to slap him like that, but it's framed like she's in the right because i don't know, go girlboss Wendy with her happy thoughts of growing old and dying alone. Seriously. In the novel, Barrie explains that the Lost Boys are boys who fell out of their prams while their nannies were looking the other way, in places such as Kensington Gardens. After going unclaimed for seven days, they are whisked off to Neverland, where they live with Peter Pan. There are no "Lost Girls", because (as Peter explains) girls are too clever to be lost in this manner.

Peter Pan and Wendy is a perfect example of what happens when you focus on diversity and identity politics over talent and writing.

How do you fix Tigerlily and the Native American Neverland tribe? How about have them help Peter, Wendy and the Lost boys fight Hook and his pirates? Have them be the cavalry when it looks like Peter and his friends will lose? This is writing 101...jeez. What would I do? Have the pirates kidnap Tiger Lily, Peter and Wendy. Have Tigerlily escape and promise to find help, right? Sound a bit better than what they did? Hook and Peter's rivalry? Sure, offer up the idea that Hook was a Lost Boy but have him WANT to join the pirates instead of stick with Peter. I mean come on Disney!

Robin Williams "Hook" and the Peterpan arc from "Once upon a Time" are probably the best versions of peter pan I've seen.

In the original story it's implied that the reason the Lost Boys never grow up is that Peter kills them when they get too old. That's twisted

That was a struggle. Let's watch the animated version to get this nasty Peter Pan and Wendy out of our mind.

I'm half Native American and it's always been fun to quote that ridiculous song from Peter Pan ;D WHAT MAKES THE RED MAN REDDDDDDD?! Personally, I don't see anything wrong with their depictions and you've got to especially consider that this is from a dated viewpoint of white Europeans, form whom Natives were a genuine mystery and curiosity. Add on the childish lense to the whole thing and I could not possibly be bothered. Even in negative contexts, it's important to have time capsules, where they exist, that preserve something of the past even if it *wasn't* flattering - if it suits the time period and the perspective it's from, why not utilize it? It would be like going back and re-writing or totally altering To Kill a Mockingbird - it's an extreme example, but you get what I mean. If you're altering the source material, what's the point? Especially if you make it utterly unrecognizable and none of the previous heart, story or message is left then what was the whole endeavor for anyway? That's something the leftists are never going to get - the value of different perspectives and engaging with the reality of them, even if they're not 100% your cup of tea or something you're even comfortable with. For whatever failings Peter Pan could have through a modern lense, there was still plenty about it that weathers the ages *just* fine and that should have been preserved. It all should have been preserved.

Could be worse. The movie could've been longer.

This would work better if they took the same route Once Upon a Time did and made Peter a fearsome evil entity that keeps the Lost Boys as mind-controlled slaves to his will.

Peter being a dick and Hook being somewhat sympathetic isnt a new idea either, there was a literal television show that did that exact thing with both characters.

I thought of commenting a Peter Pan joke here.. but it would Never Land

"Not gonna let him off the hook" I see what you did there.

1991 Hook is great, but I'm more biased towards the 2003 Peter Pan.

Changing the portrayal of Indians is defensible, but this? Between the updated Tiger Lily and the girl that obliterated a Predator in Prey, it’s no wonder Native American women conquered and colonized Europe so easily!

I disagree about the ind¡ans in the original animated one: At that time kids wanted to be pirates or cowboys and k¡ll ind¡ans. In the movie the pirates are bad guys that hurt kids and the ind¡ans saved the kids and make them part of their tribe. They changed the idea of them been bad and dangerours. But this new version... Man, is trash compared with the 2003 version with Jason Isaacs. That movie is awesome, the characters are on point and is beautiful. What makes me laugh is that, they wanted to make themselves "woke" by putting girls in the lost boys, not knowing (because no one in the writing table read the book) that, is stablished that the girls are too clever to get lost. They are saying that, those 3 especific girls are stup¡d 🤣🤣

I'd argue that Tokenization is just a more subtle and insidious form of racism in many ways.

Now you know why they dumped it on Disney+.

So er... if they wanted more girl power... instead of actively removing some female characters from the og aka The Mermaids. You could just had them play a slightly bigger/supporting role. Also the Mermaid scene itself is vastly important but I talked about that in other comments on other reviews. You could introduce them and than they could go and find the location of where Hook has Wendy's brothers or have them led the crocodile towards Hook by baiting it? Why I'm even trying to get Disney writers to understand basic story telling and life lessons in stories is beyond me. Another thing Disney stop removing negative traits from characters. Tinkerbell getting jealous is a life lesson to kids. It's to show what happens if you get too jealous and the consequences of it. All of us likely got or will get jealous of someone or something in our lifetime. It also gives Tinkerbell a character arc and shows that you can make up for making bad decisions. Not a single human on this planet is perfect and I despise how so many Disney characters are almost inhumanly perfect.

Old lady: Who are you? Wendy: Wendy. Old lady: Wendy Who? Wendy: …Wendy Pan

I'm surprised Disney didn't do like that studio did with the Gretal and Hansel movie a few years back and name it Wendy and Peter.

Apparently Wendy is dreaming about flying a biplane in 1904. The plane she is dreaming about doesn't exist yet. A rather forward thinker that girl.

Peter and Hook being old friends could have been a great story. But then they would have had to focus on the male characters.

Like the smell of a dumpster fire, like the colors of a poisonous frog, the crap level of this movie was like a parade of clowns honking their noses in a terrible symphony.

So Peter Pan goes from a fun loving mischievous character who chases his own shadow to a psycho who cuts of his best friends hand after having a falling out… Wendy goes from a motherly caring figure to a Mary sue fighting character that bitch slaps Peter Pan The lost boys go from boys who have fun to boys and girls who are miserable Yep lots of good changes there…

The animation and Hook are my 2 definitive favorites in telling the story of Peter Pan. Edit: Fox's Peter Pan & The Pirates is another good one too.

I'd like to go out with a counter group to the Writer's Guild picket line with my own signs and placards with photos of all these woke movies and TV shows on it, and the words "Guild writers scripted all of these. You don't deserve raises".

Can proudly say I haven't seen any of the remakes. Give me freshness and originality or no money for you. Thanks for the review T.

"For a modern audience" is code for "Made for 1% of Twitter".

What's really funny is that they stole the whole Hook being the first lost boy from Once Upon a Time on ABC 😂

This proves that the writers will fail miserably definitely hurting the one percent of good writers and heaven help us with whatever is left in the industry coming forward after the strike.

I'll tell you the reason an update of this really needs to change a lot more than they did, in particular if they want to be "inclusive." Peter Pan was written at a time when the pop culture of the day had little boys dreaming about pirates and Indians as the height of adventure. Even if they do it as a period piece, that connection is entirely lost on *actual* modern audiences. Simply put, if they want to update Peter Pan they've got to jump it to a more modern time, and then completely rebuild Neverland around what kids fantasize about *today*, not two hundred years ago. It just gets worse as time advances.

love that neverland turned into a WASTELAND

The reason girls weren’t in the lost boys is that they were too smart to get lost. But they didn’t read the source material…

I never cared about Peter Pan. I remember hating Hook and the animated Disney film was just something my parents made me watch because they felt they had to. That said, learning the author’s reason for writing the story and seeing hiw this film destroys every intention the author has…. This should be illegal. There should be laws against corrupting someone else’s creative property, especially when that person is no longer alive.

I wonder if in captain America new world order, they sing “what makes a red hulk red”

If you want a good Live Action Peter Pan, just watch the 2003 Universal film. It’s more respectful of the source material while adding in some early modernism for audiences of those times. I’d explain more, but you’ll have to watch it just to get the memories of this awful woke garbage out of your head. Nuff said.

Disney is in ruins

Thanks for taking the hit on this one.

I can see it now. Disney will remake this movie again in 2033 and it will be called "Wendy and Tinker Bell and Tiger Lily" ("and Peter" in the smallest font possible). In 2033, all the Lost Boys will be girls. Peter will be the only boy as Captain Hook will just be him in disguise, symbolizing the patriarchy.

After the Rescue Rangers movie already destroyed Peter Pan, I didn't think it was possible to destroy him even more...

"...and doesn't let him off the hook..." Bruh...that pun😂

Cancelled my sub to D+ couple of months ago.. Imagine this film attractin customers :P

These poor children’s careers never had a chance. SMH

"I don't normally do spoilers, but you shouldn't see this movie, so here we go" - TU, 2023

You don't need to tell me. I saw how awful this movie was just by the trailer.

A completely soulless corporate product that stripped the Peter Pan story of all of it’s heart, magic, themes, and even color.

Made for modern Audiences =...Identify Politics...=..it will SUCK!

Totally disagree with anything being changed from the original source for a "modern audience." That's exactly how we got in this mess. These depictions are from a different time, and even if I don't agree with those depictions now (spoiler alert: I don't agree with those depictions), that doesn't mean they should be changed as it tells us about what was in the minds of people from that period. So no, you don't get to "update certain things" just because you disagree with it

Thanks for taking one for us all thorias,we salute you sir!

Thank you for subjecting yourself to this travesty so the rest of us don't have to. Not all heroes wear capes.

Was there even the slightest possibility that modern Disney could have made this anything OTHER than insufferable garbage?

You know that emasculated Peter.

Wendys always got her mouth open in every scene, so annoying. Usually she looks pissed, like Greta Thunberg.

The new "Tigerlilly" is as much of a reductive trope as the original is accused of being. Just in a different way.

Neverland is also a childish place. The pirates are as a child would imagine them. The Indians are as a child might imagine them. As are the mermaids and everything else. All those things take on lives of their own beyond that, or course, but that childish lens is the origin of them.

I think Disney knew they had crap on their hands which is why they threw it on D+ It woulda bombed significantally if it had been sent to theaters

Yeah, this comes across as "content by committee" that was then filtered through "focus groups" so they could run it by the "sensitivity readers" until any and all traces of actual entertainment were thoroughly erased. In other words, a Disney project.

I always liked the idea, from the book, that baby girls were too smart to fall out of their prams and get lost.

F Wokeness! F Disney! F Hollywoke! F the modern audience! F the writers! 😤😠😡🤬👿

Mm mm.... Seems like Wendy Palpatine should be her name.

After that I think we all need to forgive 2015's Pan..... The only nice character here was Jude Law's Hook even if he was not used properly.... Well here goes another childhood classic

Suffering your sanity to save us from a bad movie! Thank you, Thorias. 😌

It seems no one liked this movie. Another sack full of money that disney burned. How hard is it to not screw up Peter Pan.

Peter Pandering and the lost soys.

My big problem with this movie was Why Does Neverland Look So Empty? It's an enchanted magical island? Where was the magic, or the forest? The fairies, the mermaids, the lush strange plants and animals?

Tinker Bell is boring, Peter Pan is a dull menace, Wendy is very unlikable and Hook(the best actor) feels... smaller than life. Overall, normal modern Disney adaptation.

The irony of Wendy seeing her future life is that if male characters have a montage like this, they are shown fulfilled family lives. Take the ending of Bioshock, where the protagonist raises the Little Sisters he saved, who all have fulfilled lives on their own and will be with him when he dies. Or the episode The Inner Light from Star Trek: Next Generation where Picard experienced an entire life on a doomed planet. Or the Adventure time Episode Puhoy (the Pillow World one), which basically the same premise.

Honestly, if you arent going to stay true to the Disney cartoon, I'd love an actual true adaptation of the book, where Pan is basically an amoral Fey Godling that "modifies" his Lost Boys to better fit through the knot holes and "takes a walk" with the ones who decided to miss thier mothers or grow up and always came back alone.

Awesome new film review, Thorias. personally I will stick with 1991's Hook. 2011's Neverland prequel tv mini series & the story arc in Once Upon a Time series 3. :)

This has to stop at some point when they just run out of stories to re-imagine, Then what? Start all over and re-re-imagine?

Didnt even know this was out already. Probably for the best

Wendy becomes a wife and mother at the end of Peter Pan. Her daughter’s name is Jane. Nice of Disney to totally ignore source material. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Perfectly and well said! I couldn't help but to nod my head and complain alongside you throughout the entire video. I ABSOLUTELY LOVED your ideas! I'd love to see or read your rendition of Peter Pan.

This is one of my favorite reviews that you have done. Just hammering home point after point and being dead-on with your overall commentary regarding the "updating" of the characters and storyline. Booyah!

Velma, Willow, Star Wars, HeMan, Indiana Jones, James Bond, Ghostbusters, Batwoman, Rings of Power, Resident Evil, The Matrix, Jurassic Park, Star Trek, Terminator, Charlie's Angels, and countless others; maybe they were ALWAYS intended as mean-spirited attacks and soulless remakes. Their purposes were ALWAYS about breaking and twisting the IP beyond recognition.

Once Upon a time let Peter Pan be evil

Peter Pan and his greatest enemy, Karen Hook.

You have the best takes I’ve heard so far.

You know due to statistical probability there is a world in the multiverse the Disney remakes were the greatest things ever made. The odd-one-out to be sure.

Why the hell did Disney even decide to remake Peter pan? I never watched that movie as a kid. It was never really that popular! I never heard any of my friends say anything about this movie as a kid.

I wonder why they didn’t call this next movie “The Little Mermaid & Eric”

Hey thorius glad u started adding clips to ur videos,it really makes a huge difference

Fast becoming my favourite movie reviewer. I can only hope your subscriber numbers explode. Thanks for uploading.

Yeah. Hook’s line: “I have no happy thoughts” hit me right in the gut. I have dysthymia with PTSD which is basically perma-depression (not so bad you cannot get out of bed, but basically always there in the background) so Hook looking deep into his soul and unable to come up with a single happy thought to LITERALLY save his life was like a dagger in my heart. I could empathize with that feeling very deeply and the fact the movie just kind of dropped that plot as quickly as it was brought up was like spitting in the face of all those of us suffering from extreme anxiety and depression. And on top of all that, it looked for a second like Peter was actually going to have a defining character moment as his face all of a sudden got very upset as if he was just starting to realize how awful of a person he was and how much his actions ruined the life of this man; only for Wendy to interrupt that moment and demand to go home. F*** Wendy and the writers who wrote her to be such a selfish c***. Sorry for the language, but they literally could have totally redeemed the film right there had they gone in the direction that it looked like they were going to go, and instead took a giant s*** on the audience to have yet another ‘girl boss’ moment.

Btw how can you make Neverland so bland? Also where are the mermaids?

This Peter Pan is a bigger a-hole than the one from Once Upon a Time and that one is a straight-up villain, who kidnaps children like the Pied Piper and manipulates them into thinking, that they are unloved by their parents, so he can sacrifice one of them to become immortal. He is also very charismatic and objectively hot, even though it's all very over the top and edgy.

In this movie, Wendy slaps Peter Pan, hard! Can you imagine if Peter Pan slapped Wendy? That would never be allowed. If any woman enjoyed that scene, you're sexist!! There's no Peter Pan and Wendy.......there's just Peter Pan!!!

This Makes me appreciate Cathy Rigby, Mia Farrell and my 1st Mary Martin...! Now that was DIVERSE Casting!

Apparently the House of Mouse is just a cage with a dead rat.

This is a Depressing version of the Story We Know and Love that took too many Inspiration to the Pirates of the Caribbean and Wendy 2020 that’s Boring without the Imagination,Creativity,and Magic,I’m Sticking With Peter Pan 1953 and 2003,Hook,Return to Neverland,Chip n Dale 2022,Once Upon a Time,The Disney Fairy Movies,and Even Pan.

Remember the 2003 Peter pan film, good times good time