"Face Value" est vraiment un album Remarquable et pas seulement pour "In The Air Tonight", TOUT l'album est un chef d'oeuvre. Phil est LE meilleur et le reste encore aujourd'hui, pour l'éternité. Phil est irremplaçable et est aussi un très bon acteur ("Frauds, "Buster"). Phil me manque et j'espère de tout mon coeur qu'il retrouvera la santé. Phil est un Phoenix. From Paris, thank you so much for this documentary.
Thank you for the upload! The period from 1979-1981 with all that was going on in his personal life really inspired some great music. That’s a cool flat cap he’s wearing too!
I remember running to the store when Face Value came out. Already loved Duke so I was a very excited Phil/Gene fan. Little did I know I would be hearing In The Air Tonight almost DAILY for the next 41 years and counting...smh.☹
Oops . . . so much for the Abacab album being a double album with all songs written by the entire group. It turned out to be comprised of 9 songs, 3 of which were written in a solo fashion (Me and Sarah Jane by Tony; Man on the Corner by Phil; Like it or Not by Mike). All those fantastic less poppy sounding songs that would have make it a double album were left off (Naminanu, Submarine, Me and Virgil, You Might Recall).
Irony: PC keeps talking about having so much material that the next album might need to be a double album, and they end up releasing Abacab, which was maybe the shortest Genesis album ever.
I can see how this can be misunderstood, but his message here was about breaking down the walls of stupid stereotypes. Stations with mostly white listeners said 'Face Value' sounded too black, and because he was a white British artist, black programmers were also afraid to take a chance with its audience. Attitudes like that still hadn't changed much by 1981. I was drawn to Phil because of his outspoken influence from music of ALL kinds....the way it should be for every artist.
He says he regrets his big ego that cane from his huge success. He...like me, is realizing the maybe the biggest problem comes from within ourselves..not others. He does seem a bit cocky here. Certainly understandable, given his huge success on top of huge success. Love all of the Genesis members and Phil too.
I think it is less ego, than unpretentious and direct. He's not in your face NY direct, guess more London direct, and some people don't like that. He was just getting going at this time, maybe a little insecure, a little over compensating. But he knew what he was doing, realizing & understanding that, building confidence. Damn, he sure did know what he was doing, eh?
@@rk41gator yes, well stated. He was excited and who could blame him. He just dicovrred that he was an awesome songwriter.....you know what I mean? PUN Absolutely intended for what an awesome song eh!
@@ghostship85 Sorry to keep jabbering, but I really have a lot of respect for Phil Collins. He wrote some great melodies and lyrics. I recently found some 'classical' versions of Genesis tunes on RU-vid. Amazing. Collins and the Genesis guys could 'turn a phrase'. But I often think, even after his selling SO many albums and touching millions of souls, we often don't really know what he means. They try to be ambiguous. Maybe HE doesn't know, really. But great poetry is like that, we bring our own experiences and create our own meanings (like hearing Joni Mitchell). You probably have already seen this video about recording 'You'll Be In My Heart'. The music test Phil slipped in on the great Rob Cavallo is hilarious. Another worth watching is the very recent review of 'In The Air Tonight' by The Charismatic Voice is also interesting. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3GxDnvKt2Ko.html
@@rkress9349 oh hey....no problem. Thanks for the recommendations. Thanks for your input. One thing is for sure, if I wasn't incarcerated for a few years, my artistic talent may have well remained undiscovered. If Phil didn't suffer a broken heart......etc. Interesting that Phil could really crank out some great tunes. Peter Gabriel ...though very successful, has struggled with songwriting a bit. It is amazing to me that some people can just continue to write amazing songs.The voice, the fine playing of musical instruments, are impressive. Composing a masterpiece is where the WOW factor lies. Lord Huron is awesome with a Lord Huron sounding song but then come up with " When The Night Is Over". I think Phil was as surprised by his success as much as anybody was. He just followed his passion!
This is part of Genesis History, and the truth came out, at 13:40 when Ray asks have you ran into Peter Gabriel or Steve Hackett and Phil says I ran into Peter and I ran over Steve, Ha! That's the whole truth, very good interview, thanks for posting it !
Great interview… anyone know if any members of genesis, including Phil Collins were part of the creation of the song ‘in your eyes’? Or just P Gabriel?
(Talking about FV, 3mins in) "Not r-n-r simple but it's simple, it's like got space, more mature." dj replies, 'like turn it on again'?. ..'well the tunes on Duke, we felt, the best were the tunes we co-wrote together.' ...Then he says Duke could've been a double. 'Cause there's an awful lot of material.' From Duke sessions: Evidence of Autumn ,Open Door, Vancouver. - As far as finished songs that came out later that's all I know about. That's 3 sides, but what's left to make up a 4th side?
Phil always cared about what the critics said, way too much.. If a bunch of failed musicians on the street have him a bad review would he care? It's there same thing, critics can't DO music , so they WRITE about it..... And Their opinion means fuck all...
He looks all bloked out here, doesn' he? Around 10:20 it got interesting to me, where he gets into talking about B-sides and rehearsals and 'blowin''... 'some of those cassettes are very good quality... I take great pride over my cassette recordings', and after that his relationship/'relationship' with Peter and Steve... According to what's said at the beg., I guess WLIR was/is a NY station.
I believe Phil is talking badly about Steve Hackett, it is quite obvious I think, that they definetly had deep problems and that has to do with Steve's departure from the band, and the fact that Genesis changed for a simple commercial cheap way thanks to Phil's hunger for fame, affected deeply the relation between Phil and Steve ... IMHO..
TMATMATMA totally agree, Steve Hackett has actually said in interviews that Phil was the only person that could have talked him into not leaving Genesis, Phil seen Steve in the street in London when they were mixing seconds out and asked him if he wanted a lift to the studio, Steve said no I’ll catch you later, Steve said he didn’t want to get in the car because Phil would have tried to get him not to leave Genesis and would probably of succeeded. They were very close because they were like the two new boys in Genesis in the 70s and not in the public school clic. So it is utter shite to make a comment when you don’t know shit about the situation. Rant over lol
Whatever Genesis did or did not become after Steve left is obviously well outside your understanding. It's foolish to blame that change on a guy who left because his songs _weren't_ being used, a fact overlooked by pretty much everyone. Not only is Kingdongdingdongdang's comment accurate, but this is being done four years after Steve left, and Phil details why there are hard feelings at this point, and if you knew the band's history, it would be obvious to you that the bad blood was between Tony and Steve -- not Phil and anyone else.
Saying he just made it up is much easier than explaining that he watched a man watch a lady drown, and then later didnt help that man when he himself was drowning.
And you made a "dumb statement" by saying that I'm "out of my mind." I personally believe that Queen is superior musically and vocally. It was unnecessary for you to disagree with my opinion with an insult. Enjoy your "precious" E,W&F, skippy.
..Black ingredients ? Cut the album like a Black Album ? You see, you can travel all around the world, have all the money and adoration anyone could muster....But you can't put class into that which has none......What a stupid thing to say, and what a racist thing to say. And to compare Queen with Earth Wind & Fire as if this is some kind of legitimate characterisation of Black and White music...I wonder what he called Hendrick ?? Phil, but you certainly treated your black musicians like slaves, cos they ended up suing you..
Sebastian Ward Hiya - I'm going to put myself on the line here and try to defend Phil....I have to admit that I also balked when he said those lines. But I honestly don't think it was racism here. He wasn't making a statement about music or people where one was better than the other. And he wasn't even suggesting segregation of the music or people. He actually was making a point that up until that time there WAS segregation and he didn't understand why it was that way. He was trying to integrate music, something that hadn't really been done in pop/rock up to that point. To have Chester Thompson touring with Genesis in the 70s and to have the Phenix horns up front on stage with him...that was a bold move...even into the early 80s. I don't know Phil at all (and I'm guessing you don't either), but I do watch/listen to an intense number of interviews, and yes, he says stupid shit all the time...about people, about women, about himself...but it never seems to me, that in his heart of hearts, the he wants to treat people badly or unfairly. I'm going to throw Eric Clapton under the bus and say that THAT GUY said some racist shit and people seem to gloss over it...and hey, Phil is good friends with Eric, so, maybe sometimes it rubs of on him, and for that I am disappointed. As for the lawsuit, again, I wasn't there in the courtroom, but the facts of the case are that Satterfield and Davis were getting paid for work they hadn't done...and ya that sucks that it went on for so long before someone on Phil's end noticed...but you know what would have been the honorable thing? If Lui-Lui and Rahmlee had spoken up before then and said "oh crap Phil, I think you're paying us too much." At that point they had been working with Phil for TEN years, and they know exactly how the music business works. They knew they where getting overpaid and they kept their mouths shut, instead of telling their colleague. Sure, if I were in the same situation, maybe I'd keep my mouth shut too, but I wouldn't have sued the guy when he finally found out and did something about it. Phil didn't try to take the money away (and legally, he wouldn't have been able to), he set the over-payments as pro-rata towards future payments. So in the end, it'd all be squared. And that is what Davis and Satterfield were suing over. When Phil did Going Back, he reached out to Chester who then got Eddie Willis and other Funk Brothers involved. They weren't doing it for the money, though I'm sure they got paid well, they were doing it because Phil was honoring the music and the musicians that he loves and it was cool project to get involved in. Certainly he treats the musicians with him well, because they stay with him for over a decade and they help him out when he asks. /rant.
+Sebastian Ward I agree that what he said does sound pretty stupid. I wonder if he would still say the same thing or if it was just a sign of times, and if it was okay or socially acceptable to say these things back in 81. Regardless, looking at it from today's point of view, all that sounds pretty absurd to me.
If you understand this he's saying that in the 80's "black" radio stations wouldn't play the music of white artists, because obviously there are hundreds of stations playing white music, but he felt his music had soul and could reach that audience. I think he has a point, although in this modern world it is made rather awkwardly. In terms of treating his black musicians like slaves, go look at Leland Sklar.. he takes no sh!t from anybody and speaks highly of Phil.. he actually sue some of his horn section because they were overpaid, he didn't asked for the money back, just paying no more royalties.. of an album that had already reach its peak sales and would likely sell very little more (a live album).
