Photographing CONTROVERSIAL SpaceX Starlink satellites 

Merely painting a satellite black is not a cure all. All that can happen to a photon striking an opaque object is it can either be reflected or absorbed. That's it. If the starlink satellites are painted 100% perfectly black the photons of light are going to all be absorbed. Well they don't just disappear from the universe. Light is a form of energy and absorbing 1 KW per sq meter of that energy onto the surface of a satellite in perfect vacuum is going to HEAT that satellite A LOT. Hot things radiate light depending on their temperature. A Satellite with a coating heated to 100-200 C is *going to radiate a shitton of infrared light* . The satellites are going to become even brighter in the infrared than they would have been in the visible range. HUGE amounts of astronomical observation are conducted in the infrared. That becomes impossible with a satellite constellation of tens of thousands of satellites in orbit covered with this substance.

@@Muonium1 I also wondered if Vanta Black coating was the perfect solution. Conservation of energy is key to understand that isn't, thanks for your answer 👍

@@Muonium1 Do you think we could convert that energy into motion before it generates enough heat to get in the way?

@@Muonium1 maybe convert it to electricity and then if it is still too much electricity, shoot a laser beam with the excess

Vanta Black will not work. The more you make something not reflect light, the more light it absorbs, the hotter it gets. In sunlight, these are already 550 degrees. It's hard to lose heat in space. Vanta Black will most likely make these melt.

Gareth Mon Jones not to mention sound pollution. Whales beaching n all. Ehhh. Too much.

Not sure i know anything about this. Is this just due to shipping?

A few moving stars right after sunset and right before dawn is not going to cause mass whale beachings. We mostly dont understand why whales beach anyway and this starlink thing is being blown so far out of proportion. The ESA was looking for some publicity, they preformed an action with their satellite that is routine and done multiple times a week without notifying anyone.

Just put the telescope on the moon. Relay the images from moon satellites to Starlink.

Gareth Mon Jones Sorry for my ignorance here but how is Sea light pollution a bigger issue then Land light pollution?

I agree.

But starlink will be able to give people in remote areas internet access

There are already companies that do this via 1 big geo-stationary satellite, you don't need a constellation of cheap crappy ones with a 20% failure rate and a 5 year life span, there are also other land based options as well like internet via the mobile phone networks, as a good chunk of the semi developed and developed world has coverage nowadays.

We DO NOT need cell internet coverage in every corner in the globe making billions for MORE BILLIONAIRES.

straight up i recently visited the philippines with my family and my dad was telling me how beautiful manila bay was back when he was a kid, there wasnt any trash the bay was way bigger, and most of the places were full of farmland

lol he said it

@@lad458 Yes, he did mention...lol. I commented before the watching the entire video. There has been lots of articles online about this lately.

Why? I don’t get it?

it's so sad if they pollute the sky - just them yesterday, which was cool tho

They have launched many of those by now, and the sky still looks the same

Am from poland but i live in london when i go to poalnd i love far from citys and the view is amazing

@@user-op1tq9ur3t ur acc wired its not ionizing radioation get of youtube man ur too funny

G James electronic waves are way back on the photon spectrum it is so not powerful that it can't harm you. You're terrified of 5g? 5g's frequency is 6 to 26 gigahertz (which is a complicated topic so you can just call it power) and do you know how "powerful" normal seeing light is, yeah its 405-790 TERRAHERTZ which is 81000 or more times power. If you don't sit near your internet modem for a week you won't experience any side effects. And if you do when you stand up you'll die because of blood clots formed in your leg veins caused by sitting for a week and not because the modem. So shut up about your conspiracy theories.

@@user-op1tq9ur3t *KAREN*

@@user-op1tq9ur3t Haha funny.

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SpaceX is also making Skylink on Mars 😭

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@@aidenmaves5537 😂😂😂😂😂 and now this Elongated Muskrat has his girlfriend Amber Rose (Rose has become Amber) with him 😄

@@sarahphyllis5782 You mean Heard ? Anyway he's with Grimes, equally as dense, with whom I think he has a child, whom I feel sorry for.

exactly, spacex isnt harming anyone but the ones who just want to jump in dont really care about the rest of us

So spacex gets a free pass and everyone else doesent?

@@matt309 99% percent of people dont give a damn fuck about the controversy on spaceX, all of us just want broadband

@@matt309 they don't get their satellites have boosters to destroy by re entry others will have nothing since most of them are 💰 hungry and won't care for environment.

@@masochistboy653 I'm pretty sure every satellite can de orbit

Indeed, I think this one is the best intro on RU-vid at the moment.

If you're into deep sky objects, another great resource is Nebula Photos here on RU-vid. While he's all over the map, doing a lot of gear reviews as well, his tutorials are nice and easy to follow.

@@EvenTheDogAgrees love Nicos videos. I’ve been watching him as well for a bit now

It's a TEMPORARY train before they spread out and raise orbits, which they have to wait for a permission to do so. Why aren't you calling the license givers and urge them to do the paperwork like yesterday and rather complain like an old lady on the internet?

@@strategicthinker8899 Oh God! you're so off base it's hard to imagine what kind of pea brain formulated that response. I wasn't complaining. Your great lesson is wasted as a brief Wikipedia search gives a very comprehensive explanation as to what I was seeing. I was simply sharing my perspective as I saw it at the time. Hard to imagine what the inhabitants of North Sentinel Island might make of it either. Be my guest to introduce your critique of their primitive responses personally. I'm sure that at least they'll show you the appreciation you desurve.

Yeah. Unless you follow spacex like a few nerds, including me, you would have never had a clue. My dad (60 y o) a day once told me it was the second time in two days he spotted this train of lights and couldn't understand. When I showed him the starlink project and the landing of the falcon heavy I could see him react very surprised. I'm actually surprised knowing how nerdy he is, that he never known

@@superandreanintendo Cheers, I've been an outdoorsy kinda guy my whole life. I think I was particularly lucky to see it as clearly as I did. In this video they're spread out further than what I witnessed. I really fought a runnaway imagination at the time as I've never experienced anything like this. The funny thing was that in the process of trying to understand it I asked myself "who might have the resources to do something like that. Elon came to mind. We're living in extraordinary times. I think I'm going to buy a Cybertruck.😁👍

Grant Frith : Yours was EXACTLY the first reaction of a pal of mine who msgd me to say he and his missus had just seen them, bout a week back (Derbyshire).

that's funny

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Lmao please tell me you are joking

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Saw them last night around 10pm in Malibu California

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Not McDonald's. It'll be Canon or Tesla.

@@gpdude22 - It was a joke.

TheVicar Around 70 years ago, Isaac Asimov wrote a short story about an experiment being run on the moon. They were going to eject a giant disk of gas (in a short burst) from the dark side of the moon, and when it came into sunlight, the scientists were going to study the disk as it suddenly became a brilliant reflector of sunlight. They got most of the people on earth to watch (obviously only half with their eyes), because it was going to be a brilliant night-time display, suddenly appearing right next to the moon. What happened was that one of the “cola” giants (Asimov did not say “Coca-Cola” or “Pepsi”) paid off a technician to put a mask of their logo over the outlet of the tube spewing the gas. Without air turbulence, the logo emerged perfectly. While surprising, it didn’t interfere with the science at all. They tracked down the technician, fired him & sent him back to Earth. He didn’t care because he already had his retirement funds, courtesy of the cola company & the greatest advertising stunt in human history. Something like this is almost certain to happen in the future. Not on THIS scale, probably. But there are just too many opportunities. __ Along those lines, there have been about 50 (my SWAG) women who have flown into space. All of them young, healthy, incredibly accomplished, incredibly competitive & very adventurous women. Each one of them has had the opportunity to be 1/2 of “the first humans to ever have sex in space”. I cannot believe that some man & woman has not already plucked that prize. The evidence is sitting in NASA & Roscosmos data bases. You just have to look for about a 20 minute interval when TWO astronauts’ (one man, one woman) heart monitors “failed” at the same time.

LemonD ok kid, thanks for telling us you smoke weed, you don’t see anyone talking about smoking cigarettes in chat, no you idiots are in here talking about weed all the time.

Hahah dude I had exactly the same thing

The Face lowkey tough its about to end😂😂

same... just a moment ago hah also my dad thought that those are alien ships LuL

@@polandspaceprogram3521 i thought the same thing haha

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Just saw them over Sacramento last night around 9:00 to 9:30. Disgusting.

I started speaking up about light pollution in 1972. Today, when I look up at the night sky from my home, I’m lucky to see 3-4 dozen stars. 😢

@@007ElSenor Used to be able to see the milky way from my backyard a couple of years ago, but just faintly. I live in a Bortle 4 zone. Nowadays, I see nothing at all. I live between two small cities (in the US those would probably count as towns), with all the sky glow that brings. And now my local municipality is starting to replace those older yellow street lights by new LED monstrosities that give off a TON more light, some of which gets reflected upwards. Not even sure whether my light pollution filter would filter their light out, as it's a different colour: white. If you're curious, I live in Belgium. Which, like most of Europe, is a disaster when it comes to light pollution. Comparable to the US east coast.

@OhHecking Frick with Starlink it will look a lot more like that. Since the total numbers will grow up, space trash will probably follow the same scale.

THE TRUTH elan valley is the best you’ll get really, just keep checking the forecast as I’ve gone many times and it says clear sky’s, then you arrive and it’s a blanket of clouds!

@@xJCole22 I've had the opposite experience! I got family living over there and seen clouds on the forecast so I don't take my equipment only to turn up to clear skies

Hahaha that was me last night. Only thing is me freakin out lookin at them scared the crap out of my son, nieces and nephews as we walked back to our campsite from the beach in the dark. My wife and my sister were telling me to chill out because how scared the kids were getting. 😂😂😂😂

That was me a few hours ago! High as a mf having one of those “meaning of life” discussions with my mate and this train slowly appeared in the sky. 🙄

This comment makes since on this dumb channel you guys are all just high believing everything you're told.

@@YHWH711 What are we believing that you take issue with?

@@Amused_Comfort_Inc the heliocentric model. It's a lie we live in a geocentric model. It'll literally change your life if you do the research and understand all that. It's like neo in the matrix, he was lost until he found the truth and everything came together.

Yet the starlinks were the only ones bright enough to show up, and are we going to ignore the fact that Musk plans to send up 12,000 starlinks in total? That nearly triples the number of satellites in orbit!

@@nerdzy8454 these were prototypes with no measures taken to reduce reflectivity just like most satellites out there. Futures launch will take that into account and will be less visible then whats out there right now because of the coatings used and their small size

@@diadlo13 The coating isn't even a guarantee. He said he'd said up a single satellite with the coating in the next batch, and if it causes thermal issues, they'll simply scrap the idea. Besides, the solar panels are what cause a large portion of the reflection on most satellites.

huh, so those new multiple dotted lines were not from the new satellites? is that what you are saying about not being "ruined" image? Look, the issue is not going against spacex or elon, i honestly support their work. it's just that they were the first ones who had resources and capabilities being how good they are to put those satellites to space. hence the issue created by this will be blamed on them, but like the video, we are trying to highlight the current issues with satellite restrictions which we didn't even know would have existed.

@@arnabbiswasalsodeep I have no doubt that the multiple dots were satellites. Who do you think I am? A flat Earther? :) However, IF those were the Starlink satellites which currently make up less than 0.5% of all satellites orbiting the Earth, then someone must have sought them specifically so they could be bothered. Now, as far as the future is concerned, 'phase 1' for Starlink deployment involves about 1000 satellites. Still about 20% of all existing satellites in orbit but yes, a substantial increase. Phase 2 should add another 10,000 and it's possible that there may be up to 42,000 satellites, eventually. Add to these the several competing 'constellations' and there might be 'hundreds of thousands' of satellites in low Earth orbit 10-20 years from now. So, yes, sky will look different but it's not clear to me whether there's a way to prevent it because people are going to want/demand their Internet and then there's 'the business world' and the world's militaries...

EM why not?

Planes dont cover the entire night sky

@@matt309 this doesn't either

@@eclipse369. Starlink doesn’t run on 5G lmao

@@eclipse369. you know nothing about technology. We're talking about internet, not phone service

That’s how I used to feel about the dozens of windmills that dotted the skyline in West Texas, until they started numbering in the hundreds, now closer to the thousands.

Yip, precisely so, and exactly how human nature is... Once the novelty has worn off then it'll be a seriously bad "curtain" of hardware we have to live with...

You can only see them until like two hours after the sun set. After that timespan the sattellites will already be in the shadow of the earth and not be visible. They might block out the sight of a star for a split of a second but this will bother us less than a plane flying up in the sky.

@@McPlayHD but that only works like that when you observe with your eyes. The problem comes when you start to take long exposure photos with your camera or telescope.

40000 of them in the sky? I saw 40 go past last night at 21:50, lasted half an hour. It was very strange and I can’t imagine how it would be if there were loads more.

THANK YOU!

They will still be awfully disturbing the sky view with the naked eye, the optical observations with long exposure and the sub-millimeter radio observations as well. It’s going to be a disaster. International regulation is urgent and compulsory to stop this insane project.

And future starlink satellites supposedly have some cool mitigation technology.

Also they're gonna reorient their solar panels so you won't see them

@@corrick4339 Correct. They start with a low drag configuration until they get into a higher orbit.

Yeah the irony ,the world wide web and were caught in it .It will be our downfall😰

Thanks for sharing this with me. ❤️🇨🇱

They were correct, about a lot. More to come.

Exactly.....

Ah, I remember "Skynet" in the movie Terminator.

@@sunandsoul24 mad times

lets find sarah conner lol

If ET has the tech to traverse the immense galactic time and distance to get here, he/she won't be worried about/afraid of/hiding from, a species that still uses it's fingers to count to ten. 100,000 light years just to cross our galaxy.

That was most likely an airplane, actually. An airplane with blinking lights will appear as a dot train in your exposure. Starlink would appear as a long streak through the sky, as they are lit at all times while you see them.

Did you get that from Space Jesus’ Twitter feed?

@@thethirdman225 Do you have no arguments? You keep repeating the same thing, like a robot.

They wont cause any major problems. Fucking up the pictures of some people is not a problem compared to providing internet to the whole globe. And maybe some people will find a real jobs.

most are invisible to the naked eye now. Only the new ones being launched are the ones you see.

cause there's no regulation for it

@@sorenkair we don't see the first batch at all anymore I dont think we really see the latest batch a lot too. and theyre actively making the satellites darker and adding coatings and what not. so the next couple launches theyll appear on pictures for a couple days before theyre in their final orbit, and the launches after that you won't notice them at all anymore.

Thing to realize is that the "launch" of an individual StarLink sat takes months... When you see the "train" you are seeing the ones that have not REALLY launched fully yet. This is evidenced in this video very well in that several had already gone by before the poster saw fit to even press the record button. The sats you never see in videos like this are the ones that are parked and spread across the sky during the few minutes they are visible in the fleeting moments of twilight. It takes time for an individual sat to boost to it's final orbit. The "train" is all the sats waiting for their turn. It is HARD to catch these things. You have to be on the right spot on the globe at exactly the right time with NO clouds or haze in order to see them. Learn before you post! All that being said... 2020 will be the year of StarLink sightings since they will be putting them up faster than it takes for them to enter final orbit. It will all be over a few years from now and we will all be looking back on these times wishing we had all went outside at the right time in the right place and looked up to witness history every bit as important as Sputnik!

@@thomaswijgerse723 Ya know there is the possibility that the hobbyists are complaining because their groups are not getting that money used to fund this satellite network.. Just saying.

@@danlargent You are forgetting that we are dealing with a generation of entitled twats too that do not respect historical events, only smart devices and bullshit posts on social media.

Heavens Ubove on Google Play. I've had it for years & then went pro. It even gives iridium flares.

Stuffin.space

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Yeah, glad SpaceX is at least listening to Astronomers when they didn't have to.

Also thinking maybe there 'ruining' the sky for observatories so they get business from more companies that need to launch in orbit telescopes

I doubt the darker surfaces will be put into production, absorbing all that heat from the sun will cause big problems

@@pppparanoidddd - Since these face the Earth they will only be visible to the sun for maybe 20% of their orbit and half of that will be at a shallow angle. Adding some extra heat radiators should handle that heat load for a small weight cost.

Finally some good ducking food.

T Wilson ur so stupid. This is all our sky, why should we be subjected to this

:( so sad...

You re right buddy.....its called evolution

Thats right....its evolution......I think that humans just look at the sky for nothing....lets science and evolution take control of the weels of evolution.....real astronomers will use the next generations of telescopies outside our atmosphere.....so.....starlink will not be a problem at all....but the amazing jump into comunications development when the entire starlink net be ready will he awsome for human race to conquer the outter space

@T Wilson This evil shit is made for machines not for humanity.

halting progress is indeed not good, though i personally think using less no of satellites at high altitude would be better, similar to how airplanes and cruiser ships get internet. ofc the tech needed to be used would be completely different but with different standards like nfc, bluetooth, wifi, etc it can be its own different version.

@@arnabbiswasalsodeep High altitude = high latency.

I saw and counted 34 of those things a week ago i was wondering what it is.

@@tempname8263 pros vs cons of it. And seriously? When not having Internet is the main issue not the latency. Quick response isn't much issue unless you are living in luxury and interested in things like gaming. Take Australia for eg, being so separated means internet prices as well as latency is high compared to rest of world and latency issues would be present always. Providing world with internet means to areas where they don't even know what ethernet or wifi are (speaking from experience, I live in India and in villages people still barely know how to use touch screens. In other countries people can't afford it at all)

@@nateman10 Sure sure xD Where's Will Smith when you need him ha? xD it wouldn't surprise me, theose in power love war and people dying, that's why they're selling weapons to both sides and staging false flag attacks and even Regan and Bush senior spoke about how maybe an alien invasion would bring us closer together. After wikileaks, 9/11 etc. nothing surprises me, but Elon's beyond fishy, and the military giving him 4 billion dollars is never a good sign.

They are putting up shade things on them to hide the light. Same thing could have been said about airplanes but no

Yeah, but for us poor Astrophotographers amateurs night skies will remain shitty here on earth.. is it fair? In thousands of years mankind enjoyed the most darkest skies ever, and now in only 60 years we ruined forever our beautiful night sky in the name of money... 🤬🤬

You sir have evolved like me and a very few others. Anger is never the solution, Anger almost always results in conflict.

I’ve just acted out of anger too many times in my life, and not a single one of those times, was I like “man... It’s a good thing I raged out, I’m happy with the outcome”. Lol usually it involves my own stuff broken, or a broken friendship/relationship/etc. Staying calm and reacting with intelligence will always prevail. This is pretty wild stuff though! I definitely think a level headed, properly educated, and passionate group should pursue this issue (near future issue), sooner than later. Cheers though

Yeah let's fuck up a fundamental field of science so that the pdeo guy can get money for a fantasy mars colony.

The Last Stand isn’t sky net monitoring china’s social credit score? Google it

Musgaros yup clocked that a while back... shit getting crazy real quickly

This is biblical and the system will be set up for the mark of the beast. Judgment day is near. We have all sinned and fallen away from God because of our sins. Ask for forgiveness out loud for life. Believe in Jesus Christ who's real name is Yahua who gave his life for us. Seek God and you will find. Ask for forgiveness and you will be saved.

@@ambassadorofjesuschrist351 lol yeah the same text your enemy provided, history not story.

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What the hell. You are in all comment sections of videos I watch. We need more Half-Life 2 trick videos!

the problem is though most of us want to do astrophotography by ourselves and we all love stargazing.... light pollution and all these satellites aren't helping that now, also i don't think i'll live that long to see all those come true and even if i do, i don't want to wait that long, i wish we had found a way to reduce light pollution in urban areas so that people like me can shoot the milky way at least once a week

progress is a myth. Starlink is a prison.

On the other hand, it completely ruins the night sky and gives ever more power to giant corporations over our lives.

Tell that to the 3 billion who can’t get Internet because they live in areas that don’t have infrastructure. Internet is more important than a handful of people having a hobby. If you don’t think having Internet isn’t important go a month without it, now imagine going 20 years without it.

Randy Rollings A hobby? The Nobel of physics this year is for astrophysicists studying black holes. People in those countries without internet are more worried on what they are going to eat that day or not having access to a good health care system rather than using the internet

Emiliano Castro ahhh yes, black holes are very important to humans. Internet on the other hand is just to play Angry Birds, not to communicate and research billions of things. Internet is thousands of times more important than ground based astronomy having a perfect view of the universe, even when Starlink is complete, astronomers will still be able to research, yes sometimes there will be interference, but it’s worth it, as I already started above.

@@trust1952 Spoken like a true narrow sighted internet junkie. Do you not realize that majority of those 3 billion people you're referring to, can't even afford a computer? But yes please, do go ahead and celebrate the fact that you'll be able to stream RU-vid from the middle of the Amazon. Because in the scheme of things that is SO VERY IMPORTANT.

Juan Turcios you’re stupid. I’m not selfish, I have internet and make a living off of it. My kids use it for school research and communication. You obviously want to keep the poor, poor. I want everyone on earth to have access to Internet and all the information that comes with it. Selfish prick.