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Ever since I was a teen in the 00s I've had a mantra for physical media that I think will always apply: If you can try it without buying it, do so. Stream, download, rent, whatever. It can save you money and shelf space if you don't like it as much. But if you like it enough and can buy it, do so. No one can take it away from you, and if you take care of the item it will last you decades.
May not? If you're going to pay for media you certainly never should buy digital, the DRM, the license clauses allowing them to revoke or degrade the quality of your product. Robot Unicorn Attack is a perfect example, I BOUGHT the game for my android phone, a few years later a "update" took away the music from the game, you know 50% of the game's entire experience, it's a super simple game after all. They said it was due to licensing limitations, funny thing is I didn't get $0.49 back.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket lol I bought an app that was used my hobby and was very expensive ($40 ish). Unfortunately it was developed in Russia and when Putin invaded it fell under the sanctions and the app ceased to exist. Still waiting for my money back. Guess I’m ‘doing my part’ 🫠
I collect movies too, how the fuck am I going to watch them without a disc drive? The fuck do I do when my internet is out, stare at the walls? I hate this shit, it all hinges on internet access. We don't live in a fucking utopia with free internet everywhere all the time. When my internet is out, and it will because it always does, I want to put in my bluray copy of Excalibur and fucking watch it on my console. I will get fucking radicalized if they take that from me.
Bro CDs are the best stuff ever dude you can get em for wicked cheap at any goodwill and sometimes it’s like something crazy good you’ve never heard of before
@@bt3743 You don’t get it!!! You’re being spoon-fed popular propaganda!!! Go to goodwill and find amazing stuff! The CDs usually come with little booklets that have cool reading inside!!! Just the other day I found this album “Dolphin Smiles” by Steve Kindler, and just based off the album art I thought it’d be fun, and lo and behold it’s fantastic, lighthearted, jazzy instrumental study music. And Steve kindler I later found out was the violinist in mahavishnu orchestra! Or there was this other one called like Celtic Solstice, which was like Irish folk spa music with really beautiful uillian pipes and organ and everything… like dude you can actually discover stuff. Plus CDs sound so pristine. And I like the inconvenience of having to mess with the disc and use a piece of technology that isn’t my phone or computer. It makes me connect with the music more.
I have collected 500 or so CDs from thrift stores, mostly for a buck or two each. A lot of the fun of collecting secondhand CDs is browsing through shelves of them in stores. It's like a treasure hunt. There could be a deadmau5 CD hiding somewhere (of which I have found two so far), some other interesting stuff, or just more classical, gospel or another copy of Anastacia's Freak of Nature.
@ I already do but if you take good care of your discs, they last well over 40 years. Some people still have working Laserdisc and early DVDs to this day.
@cringeonpurpose yes if you keep them in special humidity and temperature controlled environments they can last, but most physical media isn't being stored in those conditions and even then it's luck of the draw. Then you have things like VHS tapes which are actually a consumable. Yes the tape does physically wear out after enough plays.
I remember the day i pretty much gave up on physical media. I have slow internet in my area and my kid wanted mine craft dungeon for his birthday. I didn't want to deal with a 12-18 hour download so I went to game stop an hour away, bought a copy of minecraft dungeon, drove an hour home, opened up the box and inside was a credit card shaped game code for me to download it with... ugh..., we were both so disappointed. Anyways, my kid got to play it the next day as i left my ps4 on all night to download it for him.
Slow internet is the bane of my existence. These corpo demons want to force digital only they need to put the infrastructure in so we can have cheap internet everywhere or they can go to hell.
So would you play a game if the physical "copy" literally had no data on it at all and was just a physical license key to download the game? Because, uhhhh, that's already happening.
1. Find digital movie 2. Pirate it 3. Put it on a disk 4. Print out cover 5. Put it in a case With the right laser printer and some bulk purchases you can make a movie for about 0.50
"I had to get up off my couch and find the disc and put it in the console". Not gonna lie, that's less work to play a videogame than I do nowadays as an adult with digital storefronts. If I want to play a game, I have to make sure I've done enough work on my personal projects today that I don't feel lazy, do any other little chores like laundry, make a cup of coffee, have a quick meal, look around to make sure the kids are safely occupied if they're home, and THEN I can justify sitting down, opening Steam and playing something for a couple hours uninterrupted. "Getting up from the couch" is a relatively small hurdle
Only half of Nintendo games are bought digitally. It shows things are pretty okay, actually. That's mostly held up by Japan really not liking digital as much as the west. That's why so many games are physical exclusive in Japan, but it never happens the other way around. And given they're the only ones based in Japan...
Buying physical media is still super popular in Japan, where Sony and Nintendo are from, so i think they will support physical media for the next few decades, at least until the culture changes
Physical media is still popular in Japan for really only one reason: Internet costs. Japanese home internet services still have data caps, so for a majority of Japanese, physical media is more cost effective since it eliminates stacking data costs on top of monetary costs.
The concept of Gamestop (and stores like that) are a good reason why physical media is t completely going away. A lot of people like to buy physical games because they can save money by trading in old ones.
Sadly there are hardly any Gamestop stores left here in Europe. So we have to trade in games in second-hand stores like CeX or privately owned shops. Days of gaming is getting worse, as getting new titles now need us to go into other kinds of stores like an electronic store or a toy store to buy them and unfortunately the titles are very limited. Any niche titles are no longer visible.
I'm the other way. I was a early adaptor for digital media. Buying games on steam instead of on six, buying games on Xbox 360 store instead of disc's. It felt more conviniemt, the game was yours without the disc, damaged disc's didn't matter anymore. But I've flipped in my later years. I now prefer disc's on my Playstation, I buy 4K Blu-rays. That's mainly because I've come to respect the used market, preservation and with movies the high bitrate
I bought star wars battlefront 2 for 5 dollars off of eBay for PS4. it's for like $30 rn on the PSN store. That experience alone was enough for me to get the Disk version of the PS5
A lot of digital-only console users don’t realize that physical media benefits them in that the used game market competes with their console’s digital storefront and helps keep prices lower than retail price. If a game is $60 on PSN but is averaging at $40 on eBay, Sony doesn’t really have a choice but to put it on sale down to $40 digital to stay competitive. This is different for PC because PC players have access to multiple digital storefronts that compete with each other.
I'm one of the physical game holdouts. There's probably more than most people think. Remedy just released Alan Wake 2 physically even after saying they wouldn't because there's a market for it.
It’s good to diversify. Physical media has the risk of getting damaged, destroyed, or stolen. Digital media (through a license) has the risk of being lost or temporarily unavailable due to account hacks, unjust bans, delistings, server outages, or other issues relating to Internet requirements. For preservation/backup purposes, ideally you would want a hard drive with DRM-free game files that you can copy to other hard drives. Unfortunately though, there’s no legal way to do that for many if not most games.
I was near the section where they had blurays in Best Buy today. It was replaced with nothing but smart TVs collecting dust. So much so it feels like they might get them sold by the time their last android update comes out, prettymuch making them useless.
I still buy physical media if there's something I really enjoy. And I still watch my old VHS tapes. Streaming subscriptions is expensive in the long run.
I'm not subscribed to a single streaming service, that shit is bonkers when you can watch just about anything for free anyway. You gotta be the dumbest rube to subscribe to shit you can easily get for free or just buy a physical version of.
Nintendo Switch physical has one benefit: you don't copy the stupid games over. At worst for first-party games, you need a small day-one patch, but that's it.
This annoys the shit outta me because a 2B hard drive is expensive enough and I also gotta basically download the entire game anyway? Fucking insanity.
I was just thinking about this. I hate the idea of streaming and digital distribution taking over everything. You own nothing, and companies can just yank stuff from you whenever they feel like it. I've had way too many shows taken away from me because whatever streaming service they were on just never bothered getting the license back "Blue's Clues & You!", "Infinity Train", the "Rugrats" reboot, _way_ too many episodes of "Sesame Street" to even count. Streaming is getting to the point where it's not convenient or trustworthy anymore, but we're just forced to deal with it because "it's the future, bitch". I for one always stan physical media over streaming because no one can take it from you. It won't just suddenly stop working one day unless you're careless with it.
Streaming will always be unreliable and i do not ever want to see bitrate compression artifacts from sudden internet speed fluctations. I want my top BluRay 4K quality all the way through. Also console games i will always buy physical whenever possible so i can borrow the game to my brother when i want to.
The issue with digital games that digital movies don’t have is that digital games are 3-5x the size of digital movies. It’s probably the biggest reason they haven’t taken off entirely. It’s an especially big problem on the Switch, which is semi-portable. -- I am fine with buying DLC and small indies games digital, but not full-sized, AAA games. That probably accounts for the numbers of digital sales being higher, but people still buying physical media.
I feel like consoles should allow you to buy a blank disc/cartridge and your your own games onto it. They could also remove digital ownership of the game to prevent people from selling infinite copys of the game.
The lastest case I bought for my PC (I don't even have a console) doesn't have space for a disk drive. I had one from a previous build but to mount it I had to open the case and fiddle with the cables for a SATA plug. One day, I decided that it enough was enough, donated the disk drive and threw away every CD and DVD I ever had. I didn't cry, buy I had a bitter sensation in my throat, like I was doing something wrong.
1:30 OMG you reminded me of this early PS4, got me super nostalgic, I remember watching it and being insanely hyped up for PS4. What a great time it was. P.S I live in Ukraine.
These days my experience has been that even buying a disc does not equate to ownership of the game. If you buy a physical disc copy of a game you still need to work through Steam or Epic etc. Meaning even these games ownership is dependent on the continued existence of that company and platform. Thats why to me whether you buy physical or digital it makes no difference (on pc at least). If a game also requires you to sign in and have a continuous online connection then owning the physical disc does not guarantee ownership for life. Your using and enjoying the game is still dependent on that service provider existing and maintaining the servers and store. The best way to go is to use GOG
While it’s more convenient for me to listen to music on the go with a streaming service, nothing beats the sound and experience of vinyl. And having a DVD copy of a movie can be useful, especially when said movie is “The Abyss” and is practically unfindable otherwise. When my brother got his PS5, he took no chances and paid that extra hundred for the disk drive. Do not let them take ownership from us.
For games at least, I see a lot of kids buying games physically. I think this is because parents just find it easier to go into a store physically and look through their game section rather than buy through the console.
Really? I've seen the opposite, their parent just give them the gift card for whatever console and they buy games off the respective game digital store.
I can summarize the biggest reason for the continued prevalence of disk based consoles: GIFTS When you give a Christmas or birthday present to little timmy the last thing he'll want to see is a bleeding download code of all things
Yes it is. You might be too rich, too into physical media or a member of a niche group to see it, but it absolutely is. For the vast, vast majority of people it makes zero sense to consume Movies /TV shows/games / music with physical media. Instead of protecting a ghost, I would advise trying to improve the laws regarding digital ownership, rights regarding subscription services etc. We are not gonna go back to buying blue rays from an under paid 18 year old, so we might as well establish laws that protect digital ownership.
There is still the possibility digital content can be snap of out of existence (Be intentional or unintentional) in an instant that's why it is still necessary to have the option of physical media. That are many movies that if wasn't for the people who bought the physical format would have become lost media (Like the movie 28 days Later)
You seriously trust boomers to understand all of this well enough to make protection laws for little old you and me that will actually work in the real world? Only new releases are expensive anyway. Most used physical media are cheaper than their downloadable counterparts.
I follow this sentiment, physical media sounds nice until you take distribution networks, production costs and all the waste, plus if you live in a particularly humid area cds tend to degrade real fast. I grew up downloading games in parts with 200 mb links because my country refused to import physical pc games, steam was a godsend when it first came out. I also worry about preservation, that's why i alrays seed the games i pirate.
Compared to the prices the streaming services and game subscrition stores have whining about physical media's price is pretty hypocritical. It's not about price you just don't want to admit the reaility of what being digital only will do, that your "convinence" is a lie meant to squeeze every last cent from you. That's basically yanking your wallet from you and taking your hard earned cash, your saying your ok with that?
I collect cds so I always have music and if I want a movie I just stream it through “pirate means”, also just a sneaky thing, you can record over old vhs tapes with your “pirate means” movies. Now I have all of over the garden wall on VHS.
I live in the EU, so I often buy AAA games on disks because of the guaranteed 7-day return on online and 3-day return on in-person purchases without giving a reason. Its basically a more convenient way of pirating a game to see if you like it before commiting to a purchase, although granted Im a PC user so I propably wouldnt count into most of the statistics he showed.
I collect CDs, they're great. Compared to vinyls they are really cheap and you can rip their high fidelity music straight to your computer or phone. And just having a collection of anything is really neat.
The only company that I'd even partially trust with digital purchases is Valve, who have not yoinked anyone's games after 2 decades, but even then I'm wary because there's an industry precedent that it's fine to just take people's purchases away on a whim.
I think this is the jumping off point where people will abandon consoles altogether and go to pc/steam due to price, not having to pay for multiplayer and convenience of owning their digital libraries without having to worry about upgrading to a new console.
I still buy PS5 games on disc, mostly because it is genuinely cheaper here in NZ; Sony charge the full $120 NZD for a new game and rarely have sales, whereas disc copies can be as "cheap" as $90 NZD on launch day. I do obviously, buy all my PC games digitally. I still buy my favorite movies in a year on Bluray too.
Hey Tyler, physical media glutton here. I think I have some answers (or at least data points) for you to consider. When considering digital sales, remember that the PS+ monthly games are included in that number. I happily claim every game that is offered, and this likely artificially boosts their numbers not unlike Xbox Gamepass. Also the pre-owned market is still quite big, much bigger than you may realize, and these numbers also do not show up. When considering console sales for PS4, remember that most people did not buy PS4 Pro as their first console. There's a high chance that most people who bought a PS4 Pro already bought a PS4 previously, therefore you would see uneven PS+ accounts to console sales ratio. Likely the gap is smaller than at first glance. I am completely expecting PS6 to ditch its disk drive. I'm expecting this because Sony have proven repeatedly to make anti-consumer, seemingly anti-profit decisions if it means they can force players into the ecosystem they desire. With no real competitor left in the console market, Sony will almost certainly give zero fucks about who they upset with their decisions.
Why physical games is dying out, aside from just convenience. 1. more and more games are requiring installs and even updates day one. 2. games are taking up more and more space, and while some compression probably can shrink these games to sizes that can fit on a single disc, multi layer discs are more expensive, and that's assuming they even put the full game on the disc. 3. (feeding off of point 1), optical media is just SLOW. People who rip movies to image copies know this, it can take a couple of hours even for a dual layer blu-ray whose storage caps out at 50 gigabytes. My current internet speed, assuming I can sustain my cap of 600 megabits per second, would allow me to download that volume of data in a little over 11 minutes. And with how much data is being demanded by games these days, optical media just cannot keep up in the same way even a hard drive can. It isn't just consumer habits, but what companies are doing. Heck some games these days are literally just download codes in a case made for a disc. IMO, the only thing I see saving physical media of games is the price of flash memory going into the toilet. I just looked up some 100 GB BD-Rs and they are $5.75 a disc, a bit more than a nickel per gigabyte. a 128 gigabyte NVMe on the other hand, about 20 bucks, though I'm not sure I'd trust them, about 4 times as much.
The only modern console I own is a Switch, and the only digital games I have on it are free to play games and games I couldn't find otherwise, and while I have a lot of digital games on PC I've recently been keeping my eye on gog and picking up games that interest me. Fun fact: gog splits game installers into nice 4GB portions, which just so happens to be the maximum file size for the FAT32 file system, which is probably the most widely compatible file system out there right now, very useful for flash drives.
One common misconception I see about physical media is that all the discs are just licenses and require Internet to work. That’s not entirely true. Some games are indeed like that, but many if not most games actually have a playable build on the disc that can be installed and played through without connecting to the Internet at all.
Ironically, you can get physical right now on pc, you just have to burn the discs yourself, gog games are drm free, if you want physical you can always take your drm free games and put them on discs for safe keeping.
i dont mind music going all digital. i cant think of a single form of storing music physically that doesnt degrade with time. as long as theres still people downloading the songs off youtube we’ll be fine
Me neither. Music is one area where I think digital media makes more sense. People listen to music on the go more and more and don’t want to have a mobile CD player, people like making playlists of their favorite songs to listen to, and it’s easier to use services like RU-vid to listen to and download the songs. I love vinyl records, but that’s mostly for the enthusiasts.
I buy digital simply because I don't care if I lose access to many of my games in 10 to 20 years. Games are way down the totem pole on the media I value because I usually play them once. I got the full value of the game during that first playthrough, so nothing is really lost if my digital copy for some reason gets erased. And in the defense of digital, everything I've purchased since I bought Geometry Wars 1 in 2007 is still available to play on my 360, PS3 and beyond.
Physical media sure is dead in my house.... every one of my 20 odd retro consoles are modded in some way to hold all the ROMs ever released for them via custom cartridges, HDDs, SSDs, memory cards, optical drive emulators, etc, etc, etc. I sold all my disks, cartridges, etc i got with them just to clear up some space. It's insane how much room physical media for a large-ish console/computer collection takes up.
I've standardized on PC, and I hold my nose renting licences. I figured if things were going digital, may as well go with Steam. When I got an Xbox One S, I had such slow internet that it took a week to do the first time update. I had the console on for 24 hours a day for a week, just doing console updates. When you buy a used game, OR a new game physically, the publisher doesn't see a dime. They make their money when the store buys the copy that they sell to you.
>make console backwards compatible. (I refuse to believe this is impossible) >Go on a global hunt for literally every fucking playstation game ever made. From the PS1 forward >open a physical playstation store >Sell discs of these old games >Earn money, goodwill with consumers, drive Xbox out of business. It is literally that easy. You'd have to genuinely try to fail to fuck it up
I have recently bought an Xbox series x, just because it’s the only one with a disc drive. I would have loved to buy the series s because it’s cheaper and as a casual gamer, that sticks mainly to campaign, I don’t need all that hardware that the x provides, but it’s the only one with disc drive. I’ve had Xbox since the 360 and most of my games are in physical form. It baffles me how now when you buy a disc it’s just the game with a code for a cosmetic or other thing when about 15 years ago it came with manuals, lore, maps, and it was fun to read and have physical media. What always has me thinking is that Xbox offers backwards compatibility, for all its games, and it’s one of the main reasons why I kept buying it, besides halo. If they switch to all digital, will they give us an option to maintain those games, or we will have to buy them again. On the other hand, games are becoming more expensive each year. I don’t want to pay 80 dollars for a game that is half assed and I will be able to play it 3 years after it has been released. That’s the good thing about the secondary market, you can buy the same game after it has lost its worth for half the price, sometimes more. Yes, you could argue that with game pass you can get cheaper games, but then again why would I pay another subscription service to “own” something when I don’t even play online. I hope they don’t get rid of the disc drive.
Yeah, I may not buy physical copies of games anymore, but I still get the version of my console that has a disc drive in it so that I can still play the physical versions of my old games that I own with their backwards compatibility and so I can play CD albums, and DVD and Blu-ray disc movies and boxsets.
The PS+ and game pass numbers can be deceiving… you can share your membership with other accounts if you know how and I know a ton of people who do it (with game pass at least)
I still have tons of old PC games on disc from 15-20 years ago. Good stuff, I actually installed Zoo Tycoon from disk the other week. I can't legally play that game ANYWHERE.
I have a lot of Old PS2 games on disk, come to realize that almost every single PS2 disk laser on the planet is starting to fail. While emulation is still an option, if you want to do it legally then its a bit of work to get it running.
If blue-rays ever disappear we can still use flashdrives, they are dirt cheap these days, and the technology used to make them is the same as for SSD afaik.
The fact Sony can not only charge 80 for online features that have been largely unchanged since the ps3, but charge 120 just for playing older games, insanity, it’s seriously time to go pc, digital is sadly the future, but at least pc gives you true ownership, why? Because pirates get the best experience (drm makes games run worse)
I collect games. I buy every game I can physically. I wait on awesome indie games because I want them on a disc. I do this despite being less convenient due to the fact my internet download speed is faster than the max read speed of a disc so it takes longer to install. I will buy physical media as long as it's available and when it's not I will switch exclusively to PC.
This happened to the nintendo 3ds and pokemon bank . Unless you already downloaded poke transfer and bank, and already got the games, you can't keep your mons from the ds/3ds and you can't send them to future games. Servers shut down, now the ds and 3ds is kinda bricked.
Bluerays are out, cause products don't use drives? No problem, do you know what those products DO use instead? Memory cards! We can even write patches to them, as they arrive (just reserve original image in a read-only section).
I still buy games on disk. I like knowing I own my games. I like collecting them and putting them in a display. I especially like putting all of my Zelda games in a big wooden chest my wife bought me back when we were still dating. That was around the time Skyward Sword came out. Now I am facing the reality that I may either need a second chest, or I will have to remove my non-game media from it like the DiC cartoon DVDs I keep with them.
Just bought the Office on Blu-ray. That and all the other shows/movies/games I have physically are mine and I don't have to rely on the internet or a server to make them work
I mostly abandoned physical for the reasons you described. If the game needs digital updates to run anyway, why bother. I still buy used games a occasionally if I can get a good deal tho
I'm one of these disc people, exceptions for indie games or certain remakes.. I use one game as an example, Cult of Lamb, I love this game and had the digital game and now physical game. Because I don't trust Nintendo. I will straight up not buy a game or system over this issue now. I want to always be able to play my game that I paid for.
I've always prefered physical, but since 2020 the pricing of physical games became far bigger than the steam store price (because high inflation and tariffs for importing discs, plus no regional pricing). Then quarentine started and everyone was on their pc, and there was a sort of exodus to pc. Problem was, they hadn't sold a physical copy of a pc game since the 2000s, so playing on pc was strictly a digital market. To this day physical is still twice the price of a 3A without sale, sucks but digital won.
