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Pickleball Slinger Bag Ball Machine Review (unsponsored) - Is it worth it?

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Welcome to my review of the pickleball slingerbag ball machine. I cover everything that I like as well as what I don't like. We'll take a look at all the features and what they mean for you and your pickleball game.
I emailed slingerbag probably over a year or more before they finally came out with it and at that time they said it was in the works which I was happy to hear and now it’s arrived. I got it out on the court and put it through it’s paces and I’m ready to report on how it went to help you figure out if this could be a good investment for you and your pickleball game.
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@helencastonguay6626 9 месяцев назад

Hi Nicole Just wanted to add that I think you are one of the most competent pb teachers/coaches online. I’ve coached various sports for more than 50 years so I have met a number of talented coaches/teachers and you are right up there with them.

@primetimepickleball 2 месяца назад

Sorry for the late reply I have been dealing with an injury and a big move across the country. Thank you so much for your kind words! It means a lot coming from someone who has been teaching sports for more than 50 years :)

@BroncoJay98 Год назад

I looked at the slinger bag at first because of the price but once I realized you couldn't replicate a point by programming different shots in sequence, I looked at the spinshot. I'd love to see you review that machine with this level of detail. Great video and please keep it up!

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the suggestion and comment.

@FireinTheBowl 11 месяцев назад

For the price, you can't beat it. The functions on slinger would cost several hundred more with any others

@mikeoliver861 11 месяцев назад

Hi Nicole! I just got my slinger bag and I love it! Seems like a quality piece of equipment and works perfectly!

@primetimepickleball 11 месяцев назад

Awesome! Glad to hear it. I have a video in edit right now on drill for forehands, backhands and returns. Coming soon…

@mikeoliver861 11 месяцев назад

@@primetimepickleball great! I’ll watch for it.

@manuelverduzco9816 9 месяцев назад

Hey Nicole!! Checking back for newest vids on Slinger bag. Mine arrived this week!

@traderfjp 2 месяца назад

I ordered one after looking at what was on the market. At first I was in awe of the App driven machines. But in reality I think it would be difficult to see my phone on a bright day and by the time I pull out my phone to stop a machine it would have probably sent eight or more balls sailing. I think the on and off remote for the Slinger is a great idea. There was one machine that had a remote which would be more helpful than an app driven machine but it cost 2k and has no storage. The Slinger bag looks awesome in the area of convenience. It holds all your balls, paddles, phone, keys, etc. The Titan has storage too but is way more expensive and bulky. Pickleball Studio also gave it a great review as have you. Thanks!

@primetimepickleball 9 дней назад

that's great! I hope you are enjoying your slinger bag. It's definitely my favorite training tool.

@Tposch1953 Год назад

Your videos are great and very informative. I recently purchased a Slinger machine and am very happy with it so far. I would like to see your training sessions with the Slinger machine in the future with the settings described. You are the first professional instructor I have seen who has reviewed the Slinger machine and I am happy you gave it your endorsement.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Awesome! Yes, I will get on those videos as there seems to be a lot of interest in that. Glad you have the Slinger already and like it!

@jeffsingletary1876 11 месяцев назад

Yes. Her review is spot on. I received and have practiced with mine. I wish the remote had longer range so I could start the machine from across the court rather than at the machine. It does have a delay allowing time to get to your position, though. And I'll be looking forward to further videos on how to best drill with it.

@kimleith1378 Год назад

Nicole, your review was very comprehensive. I also sent Slinger emails asking during the release wait like two years ago. I've had a first model Tutor for 6 years. If it ever gives up on me, the Slinger would be its replacement. I'm curious how it delivers a "flat ball" (no arc) to simulate firefights at the net. I put my Tutor up on a table net high at the NVZ line and crank up the speed. The ball has arc no matter how I set it up. Not a big deal, but it serves my purpose for fast hand drills. The throw wheels are different than my Tutor. Slinger wheels have the curve face that grabs the ball. Looks like each shot comes out relatively the same, so maybe that's why. Enjoy your channel, so keep em coming for the newbies.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Hi! Glad you have yourself a ball machine and are using it... no matter which one. I have not gotten around to elevating it yet though I have plans to test that. I'll probably drop a video when I do. I suspect it will still have some arc but we'll see. All machines, including the Slinger don't seem to me to have a great setting/solution for practicing blocks and resets that at least come in straight (not from below), as you say.

@OrionCorsari 4 месяца назад

Excellent job young lady….very nice. No frills….just the facts. Enjoyed it very much especially given the other time wasting junk info out there.

@primetimepickleball 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much!

@ronhelow7021 Год назад

I have a Lobster machine and would really appreciate a series of videos on good ways to train, regardless of brand. Thanks for all of your excellent videos.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Glad you have a machine! They can all do a lot. Training videos for ball machines seems to be a really popular request. I've started to work on it. Glad you enjoy the videos :)

@ThuyNguyen-fw8mq 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the video I ordered slinger bag via your link back in Feb It arrived yesterday. Cant wait to check it out

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

Awesome! Enjoy.

@michaelpeckham5953 9 месяцев назад

Bought the machine based on your advice and some research of my own. Easy to set up and use. Overall a good product. A few little things. The ball tube retriever was very tight and required extra force to pick up the balls. Maybe they sent me the wrong tube. The slinger team has been responsive and promised to get back too me after I sent them a picture. Since I already have a standard pickleball tube its not an issue for me. The recommendation to remove the battery to charge it to prevent overheating the battery is inconvenient and strange. I have many devices that require battery charging from trickle charge car batteries to routine household appliances and tools. Seems like a poor design if there really is a potential overheating issue. Love your videos keep it up

@primetimepickleball День назад

Thanks for the feedback on this Michael. You make some good points. I'm glad you like my videos!

@LarryWolfe-l5h Год назад

The Slinger Bag looked good to me, so I ordered one. The website said to allow up to three weeks for shipping. At the three week point I inquired as to my ship date. The best answer I got was that additional units were expected in about two weeks. Customer service couldn't say when my unit would ship. Things might have gone better if Slinger had sent an email out as soon as the shipping problem was known. On the plus side, the cancellation and refund process was quick and painless.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Yes, it does seem like the communication there could have been better. I'm happy to hear that cancellation and refund went smoothly. That's definitely nice to know for prospective buyers. Thanks for the comment.

@starscoach7896 6 месяцев назад

Hi, I spent $900 on the Slinger last month (Mar 2024, including tax) and am having a go round with Slinger support. Could you confirm during your review that when you charge the Slinger, that there is/is not a light displayed on the panel indicating that it is charging or did you solely rely on the charger's light? Much appreciated.

@primetimepickleball 5 месяцев назад

I disconnect the battery and charge it on its own and I only rely on the charger light.

@dmelotti Год назад

I am definitely looking into a ball machine and I will keep this one on my list. I am concerned about the durability. It would be nice if you would do a follow up on your machine in a couple of months.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Yes, that's always something we wonder about and can't know until later. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for the comment.

@alexandriamercer5588 Год назад

Looking forward to using your drills series using the ball machine

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Awesome! Will work on that.

@jaycohen5482 Год назад

I had a Tutor Plus last year, sold it as I had a chance to use a Playmate machine all Winter. Plan to buy a new machine in May, leaning toward the ERNE, it's over the air software upgrades plus programmability make for a very functional machine, which of course has a higher price tag. My friend just got a Slinger, so will def be trying it out. Thanks for the review.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Yeah Playmates are a work horse of a solid machine. Worth it for a club to purchase as they can store it nearby and it will get heavy use. I hear good things about the ERNE. Would love to hear your thoughts on ERNE vs Slinger when you've had a chance to try both. Erne definitely has some really nice bells and whistles if you're ok with the higher price tag.

@jaycohen5482 Год назад

Hey Nicole, thanks for the personal reply.I'll provide some feedback once I get on the ERNE. I enjoy your channel, has great content, better then some of the "big" names. Thanks again.@@primetimepickleball

@jkeiffer Год назад

Nice review. Must be nice having access to courts where there aren't 20 people waiting to play!

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thank you! Yeah, it’s pretty sweet. Can’t lie.

@kento1957 Год назад

Oscillation is a must if you want more realistic drills. All digital with setting adjusted with an app is far more convenient and the direction for high end machines.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thanks for sharing your perspective. There's certainly a place for the things you mention in the market.

@FireinTheBowl 11 месяцев назад

Theres a slinger group on Facebook. The admin does show drills. Where to put it on the court and what settings to put it at

@primetimepickleball 11 месяцев назад

That’s great! I’ll have to check it out.

@rodmiller9729 Год назад

Great review. Unfortunately already ordered one a couple of weeks ago. Would like to have supported you. Looking forward to your drill videos. Thanks for all you do.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thanks so much! All good, I'm glad you got one and will get those reps in :)

@johannestan6878 Месяц назад

Thanks! Just ordered one through your link!

@primetimepickleball 23 дня назад

Awesome! I think you'll really like it. Here is a link to a Slinger Bag Drill playlist I have. Every time I create a new video for Slinger I add it to the list. ---ru-vid.com/group/PLf5SOZbiy_ZgdxeFYjoYW-hoLUAc6v52T

@TennisLinguist 5 месяцев назад

Tremendously thorough!

@primetimepickleball 5 месяцев назад

Thanks William!

@hoyvintagecycles2936 8 месяцев назад

I have a slinger bag and love it.

@rmonsipapa 9 месяцев назад

Did you ever put together any other video's on how to set up the Slinger for different kinds of drills? I looked for more video's but I didn't see any new ones. :-)

@primetimepickleball 2 месяца назад

Sorry for the late reply. I have been dealing with an injury and a move across the country. Here is a link to a YT playlist I have in regards to all the videos I have created specifically with the Slinger Bag. I hope you find this useful. ru-vid.com/group/PLf5SOZbiy_ZgdxeFYjoYW-hoLUAc6v52T

@Krnkid90 6 месяцев назад

Does the machine throw lobs? to practice overheads?

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

Yes it can. Put it in the highest incline setting. I’ve even put the ball tube under the front of the machine to get more tilt. Works great!

@Longstorie Год назад

How many balls does it hold before a pickup/refill is required???

@primetimepickleball Год назад

I think it can hold 120 but I usually have about 80 in there while in use to be sure the ball loader can rotate freely. You could probably have a few more in there but I'll probably stick with 80 or so.

@stevemclaughlin6276 Год назад

There's no way it has room for 120 balls!

@raymondayeung Год назад

@stevemclaughlin6276 Why not? Lobster holds 135 balls and the ERNE holds 150 balls

@DBinSB Год назад

How about shipping to Ireland? I'm interested but it is probably cost prohibitive?

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Unfortunately they currently ship to Mainland U.S.A only.

@MichelleNal-ok3hw Год назад

I also have the Slingerbag . It is very easy to carry around. And I love the tube too. Can you please add some videos on drills ? I would love to see the settings on cross court dinking, speed ups and drives Truly appreciate your videos Thank you

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Glad you have the Slinger and thanks for watching the videos. Glad you enjoy them! I'm working on the first Slinger drilling video now.

@helencastonguay6626 6 месяцев назад

Hi Nicole Do you have an affiliate link for Slinger Bag Canada or can I use your US AFFILIATE LINK?

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

hi Helen, great question. I appreciate you supporting me in this way. I'm not sure and I've just emailed them to ask if I have an affiliate link that will work for Canada. I'll get back to you as soon as I hear back.

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

They've let me now that my affiliate link only works for US purchases.

@helencastonguay6626 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for checking Nicole!

@joekurta6855 Год назад

I'm curious about a few things not reviewed... Are all the controls available on the remote or only on/off? Also can you speak to battery life and charging time? Overall nice review.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Only on/off for the ball feed and on/off for oscillator on the remote. I worked with it for two hours and it was still going strong. That’s as much as I’ve pushed it so far. Charging time is relatively painless. A couple hours I think. I haven’t paid that close attention to be honest.

@jeffsingletary1876 Год назад

Does it matter what type of pickleball you use? Should it be what you play with? Or the best value you can find?

@primetimepickleball Год назад

That's definitely a personal choice. Different brands of balls, bounce and feel differently. If you can get a very similar ball that's a much better value then I'd say go for it otherwise, get the same ball.

@mperrotti05 7 месяцев назад

how many balls does it take to fill? aprx?

@primetimepickleball 7 месяцев назад

I think I have approx 90 in there. I think technically it holds 120 but I don’t top it off that much. I like to leave some room for the wheel to spin.

@JayLivingston-o3i Год назад

I've been looking at some machines and noticed high-priced ones like ERNE just seem more user friendly as far as preset drilling options go. Any chance you plan on putting together a "brochure/guide" type of settings and machine court placement that replicate certain shots? I think the $1000 cost difference between the slinger and ERNE would be ok if there was something to diminish the learning curve for setup. Although the ERNE app looks to offer a ton of setups/drills

@primetimepickleball Год назад

I am planning on some drills videos with settings included. Not sure if they will come with an accompanying brochure or guide but they may. Thanks for the comment and suggestion.

@markrenninger8252 Год назад

Thanks!

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thank you so much Mark! 😁

@lucasservetti219 5 месяцев назад

Que diferencia tiene con la de tenis que es azul? La de tenis sirve para pickleball? mucha gracias

@primetimepickleball 5 месяцев назад

The blue one is for tennis and the orange one is for pickleball. You can NOT use the tennis one for pickleball or vice versa. The balls are different which requires a different machine for each.

@jeffsingletary1876 Год назад

Add me to the list of looking forward to you videos on drill settings. Seems like you need to do a decent amount of tweaking. Just bought one today 9/20, $806 shipped. Said free shipping (No such thing. Someone pays for it. Used to be a small biz owner.) , $100 off sale, $50 off code PATTY.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Will do!

@karenbarker9158 7 месяцев назад

Do you have to charge a battery or can you plug it in to electricity ?

@WoodJohnny 7 месяцев назад

It cannot run on AC, only battery, so yes, you need to charge the battery. I have found battery life to be very good.

@primetimepickleball 7 месяцев назад

Battery. No plug.

@helencastonguay6626 9 месяцев назад

Do they have a Canadian distributor?

@primetimepickleball 9 дней назад

yes that can definitely be a challenge. Another alternative is a ball machine however those do cost some money which can deter people

@karenbarker9158 7 месяцев назад

How many balls does the bag hold?

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

Approx. 90 while in use.

@deborahducworth5619 Год назад

How many balls does it hold?

@primetimepickleball Год назад

I think it can technically hold 120 in the compartment but I'd have less in there during use to allow for the ball loader to spin freely. I had about 80 in there at time.

@erhino1965 Год назад

As someone who has never used a pickleball machine, but have in tennis, please stick to enclosed courts. So irritating having to knock multiple balls back to their court.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thanks for the feedback.

@shipwreck8847 Год назад

Hey can you please do a video on how to combat against players who are basically hitting hand battles and speed ups right at your chest or neck area? A lot of aggressive players around here are doing that and it's so hard to defend, you also usually give them a weak deflection and they kill that shot.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Hi! Yes, I have a video on that. Here it is: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HmA6bTBJgHc.html. It comes down to improving your blocking volleys and this is how you will do it.

@BillZaspel Год назад

Nicole, I want to thank you for being my coach. Your teaching style and comprehensive review of all the shots, aides and methods is excellent and I really learn a huge amount from you. Fantastic and really appreciated.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Wow, thank you! This is exactly what I hope I am doing. Thank you so much for the comment to let me know.

@mikeoliver861 Год назад

I have a slinger bag on order, but they are having so many logistical problems getting stock and filling orders that I’m nervous about them as a company. The machine looks great, but what if it breaks and they can’t get parts? The other thing that concerns me is the address they give on their website is a house. Do they even have a business address? I really want their Slingerbag, and I’m sure they are great people, but I’m worried that the company is not established enough to be dependable.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

I think these are legitimate concerns. They are a relatively new company. 4 years or so. They process 100s of orders per day which to me indicates they're doing pretty well and will be around but, of course, there's no guarantees. Their tennis bag has been popular and now so is their pickleball bag. Yes, they've had logistical issues and have made improvements and are in the process of restocking and adjusting their inventory to account for the surge in demand. I've been pleasantly surprised with how transparent they've been with me about their issues. I had zero issues with my order. If I recall correctly, I got it within a week. And, it was a retail order, they were not aware I'm a coach and that I have an online presence in pickleball.

@mikeoliver861 Год назад

@@primetimepickleball That’s reassuring, thank you, Nicole! I am hanging in there with my order because I really want the product, and hoping they’re able to ship this week.

@charliejackson9802 9 месяцев назад

I just took a quick look at Yahoo Finance. The company is actually a public company (CNXA). But here's the bad news - its stock has gone from a high of $252 per share in 2021 to $0.22 per share. That's really, really problematic.

@shahriarshahram9466 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Nicole. I have a question for you does this machine work with tennis balls as well as i have kids learning tennis and would love to use it for both sports?

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

It does not. Their is a separate slingerbag for tennis. It's the blue one.

@FireinTheBowl 11 месяцев назад

I bought one and now 3 people i play with bought one. Its the best machine for the price by far. The only down side is, that itnmay take 2 weeks or 2 months to get it. They are not great as far as returning emails

@primetimepickleball 10 месяцев назад

It’s a solid machine for sure and at a reasonable price. They are getting through a backlog of orders right now. Should be sorted by end of the month per what they have told me.

@rebeccalaszlo6565 Год назад

Thank you for this very useful introduction to the Slinger Bag.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Hi Rebecca! Thanks, glad it was helpful!

@laurenhoffer4069 Год назад

I am surprised at that price they don't include free shipping - Thoughts?

@jeffsingletary1876 Год назад

There’s no such thing as free shipping. I’ve had a small business and trying to get discounted shipping rates is a nightmare. It’s all about volume.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

I think it's still a good price for the value even with shipping.

@lorianthony9649 3 месяца назад

Hi Nicole, my mixed doubles partner has one and he was kind enough to bring it today for our drills. it was awesome and definitely provided us with a great practice secession. I was curious on getting something for myself and started looking at different machines for me when I couldn't find someone to drill with. I seem to be leaning towards the Tutor Mini with the oscillator. I was curious on your thoughts about the two of them comparatively.

@primetimepickleball 3 месяца назад

Most machines fire the ball pretty well. The challenge comes with getting it on and off court. Anyone I’ve seen with a tutor also needs a cart with wheels in which to transport the machine, balls, pick up tube and anything else. That’s why I prefer slingerbag. It shines in the overlooked yet very important area of transport. Also it comes with remote. Often that’s an extra.

@lorianthony9649 3 месяца назад

@@primetimepickleball Thank you for your input. Even though the slinger is heavier I may have to reconsider.

@lorianthony9649 3 месяца назад

Any coupon codes that you know of...both are pretty pricey....no harm in asking ...right ☺

@juliehosh 7 месяцев назад

Hi, the discount code is not working. Is there an update? Thank you!

@primetimepickleball 7 месяцев назад

Hi! Thanks for letting me know. This issue must’ve just started recently. I’ve just emailed them to look into it. I’ll report back when i have news.

@primetimepickleball 7 месяцев назад

It’s working now.

@Zaskar113 5 месяцев назад

Is the 45 mph max speed enough to replicate game speed?

@primetimepickleball 5 месяцев назад

Yes

@karenbarker9158 7 месяцев назад

She’s awesome.

@billsmith7783 Год назад

Thanks for your blog and comments on this machine, both are very beneficial and useful. Review was thorough however, I'm always leary of mail order purchases especially evaluating service and warranty quality and responsiveness to problems after the sale. Is the 3 year warranty include full replace and exchange during the warranty period or is it pro-rated depending upon when problems occur? Who pays for the shipping etc. Recommend you address these issues in your next update. Also, mention where to you go for service and repair when problems occur? Another suggestion, suggest doing a comparison between the Erne machine and Slinger. Food for thought? Keep up the good work.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Definitely good food for thought. Thanks for the suggestions.

@billpaige6595 9 месяцев назад

Just curious on the price ,you mentioned under a thousand which is nice . Looks like a machine I’m interested in .Thanks for the review,well appreciated .

@primetimepickleball День назад

Please check the price at the link in the description. I'm not totally sure what it is after shipping but it is still under $1000 with shipping. Also look for a discount code in the description.

@jen-freedom-and-peace Год назад

So true - no one wants to drill with me! I would love to have this ball machine - wonder if I can convince my husband this would make a great xmas gift! Still expensive though for me.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Start dropping those hints 😉

@EdNichols-qj4xk Год назад

I like that you showed what the different settings will do even if it shoots the ball into the net or into the fence. I wonder if at the highest speed setting it would have worked better to move the machine back. Also wondered how easy it is to fill the ball hopper since it looks like a flap from the bag covers it?

@primetimepickleball Год назад

It probably still would have gone over if I pulled it back some. I could pull it back and drop the incline and that would help. It’s very easy to fill the ball compartment from the tube. You just pull the flap back a little.

@traderfjp 2 месяца назад

Love the concept of soft fabric and storage. If this guy had an app it would be a no brainer.

@primetimepickleball 8 дней назад

Not sure but there may be something in the works. Honestly, I love that the bells and whistles are kept to a minimum. It gets the job done for all shots and that's enough for me.

@MichaelCarrick-r6t Год назад

Thanks Nicole...next level stuff...not too far down the road purchase..

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thank you! Awesome...yes, let's get those reps in :)

@marlowharris-id3rg 3 месяца назад

The pickleball slinger bag will be good to have.

@primetimepickleball 3 месяца назад

Yes, it's a great tool. I love using mine. You can get SO MANY quality reps in.

@bicycle1812 7 месяцев назад

Hi, better check your affiliate link for the slingerbag. I clicked on it and it goes to page not found. 404 error.

@primetimepickleball 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the heads up. It’s fixed now.

@amywestberg814 6 месяцев назад

Do you have any updated reviews on this machine yet? Thanks!

@ballfour3949 Год назад

I also have a Slinger pickleball machine. I do think it is great especially for working on block/punch shots and roll shots. And you are correct the space in the bag for all the items that you may need is awesome. I would be interested in drills that you do with the bag and the exact settings that you focused on for speed, height, bag position, and spin. I agree that having the oscillator together would have been better but it hasn't been a problem apart. The transport is very easy -- they certainly did their homework on that part of the design along with the space accommodations. The only negative I have is that I wish the speed would go up to 55 MPH to help me work on my hand speed. Oh another negative, is that I need to be very close to the machine/bag for the remote to work. If I am on the other side of the court it will not turn on/off. But that is very minor. Overall this bag/machine is really good. Thank you for doing this review and look forward to how to take advantage with doing drills with it.

@stephenjohnson7157 Год назад

Nice review .. move the machine closer to you it will increase the speed to work on your reactin drills

@primetimepickleball Год назад

True! Thanks.

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Thanks for your thorough and thoughtful comment. I'm glad you're making use of the oscillator. I'm definitely more sensitive right now to carrying extra things due to injury so possibly once that subsides I'll bust it out and see how we go. I'll start getting to work on drills/setting video(s). Seems like there's a lot of interest in that. I see your point about the 55 mph... would be nice. Yes, it really shines in transport/portability which is huge because the harder it is to get out on the court the less likely folks are to pull it out which defeats the whole purpose.

@MikeYoneda 6 месяцев назад

After six months, how has the machine performed?

@primetimepickleball 6 месяцев назад

Well! I still feel the same way about it.

@MikeYoneda 5 месяцев назад

I bought one and really like it.

@Dalux247 Год назад

Loved to see the lob drills with this!

@primetimepickleball Год назад

Awesome! It can definitely feed a lob... I've used it for working on overheads already.

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