Plant Based or Carnivore Diet? If I HAD To Choose. | Educational Video | Biolayne 

That would be amazing! Great suggestion.

Plant chompers is amazing.

Wow that is such a great idea. How to make Layne or plantchompere see this comment?

I’d like to hear the arguments on the need for protein intake. As far as I can tell, Layne advocates for extremely high protein diets, and Plant Chompers is more on the Dr. Greger camp (I.e., reduce protein intake to the dietary recommendation of 0.8 per kg)… I’m thoroughly confused

@@scratchfg212 its bodybuilder high protein vs longevity athlete low protein debate. would be very interesting to see

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You have to try the new All Chips Diet. Have to be careful of entering Cheetoh-acidosis though, it's Dangerously Cheesy

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Have you guys been ‘associating’ with Matt Stone of ‘180 degree health’ fame. Sounds like you picked up his humour 😂

brb just loading up on samosas and sopapillas

See food diet I see

I switched to almost exclusively eating easy to digest white flour baked goods with margarine and a soy protein isolate shakes with high fructose corn syrup and I literally never felt better.

@@HauptmannGallenstein sounds yummy to my tummy

Some people like to unnecessarily complicate things.

Balanced = lots of trash as well

Blackballed by the carnivore cult

not really. opinions are like.....well...ya know.....

I will say it for him meet is the holy grail of life. eagle Bunch of bull just to make a video to make money. He also has a video I see right on side of me. I was wrong about artificial sweeteners. well that isn't the only thing he's wrong about but then again, I haven't really watched his videos Because two minutes is all it takes to turn it off eagle again

Sorry about the voice typing that's meat, not meet. Eagle

Why?

LMFAO LOOK AT PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND THINK THAT IS WORKING FOR ANYONE

@@Hrotiberhtaz IT ABSOLUTELY HAS CHANGED. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE JAW BONES AND TEETH OF HUMANS AND ALSO DECREASE IN HEIGHT

@@Hrotiberhtaz LMFAO BLESS YOUR HEART ❤️ IN THE MOST SOUTHERN WAY

Shhh! The zealots will hear you!

​@@paulhailey2537lol... Someone watches Joe Rogan

I'd use the word "science" loosely here

Like when he promoted BCAAs..oh wait

take a look at bart kay. hes an actual scientist and has made a response video to this.

No MS is genetic, now flare ups may be controlled better with organic food but it doesnt cause MS

Pork, I'm also curious about scientific pros and cons of consuming!

Good suggestions. Supposedly grass fed beef has the proper, or better omega balance, than grain fed beef, but is it all that much better, to justify the cost compared to salmon?

Hi. I am a biochemist. I can touch on this, but I am not an expert. Take what I say with a grain of salt. I am a stranger:) 1. Mercury - hard one to answer. It depends on where you live, do you mean canned fish or fresh, what type of fish etc etc. Lots of variables. I can say it would take ALOT of high-level mercury fish to get mercury poisoning. Certainly possible, if you like eat 3 cans of tuna a day or something. But fish as a regular part of the diet, in moderation. Not a concern. 2. I actually have MS, so I have looked into this. It is basically false. There are certain papers or articles from far in the past that haunt science, and this is one. The pork/MS theory comes from a paper from 1986. It doesn't hold up as more data became available. Canada has the highest rate of MS per capita in the world but it isn't even in the top 15 when it comes to pork consumption per capita. 3. MASSIVE difference between Omega 6 and 3. A typical western diet has far too much Omega 6 and that isn't good. It also has far too little Omega 3. Omega 3 and 6 are used by the body for different things. The naming is confusing and make them seem very similar.

@@CryptoKeeper36 Nice. Thanks for the info :)

Meat all the time and less veggies

I eat some meat and a lot of beans and lentils. I drink about 2 cups of milk a day and have a few eggs every week. I'm with you on the hair loss issue. If I start seeing hair in the bathroom sink, I know I need to increase my protein.

Low protein is always terrible idea. Don’t let the longevity/mtor boogieman scare you, either

@@SLude480 so you think 250 grams of protein is just fine and dandy? You’re out of it man

@@hata6290 mtor is more stimulated by exercise than protein. So exercise is bad?

I read that book yrs ago, and I think there's some valuable info in it.

"The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily..." Those claims are based on very poor evidence, questionnaire based correlation studies. There are NO causation studies to back up that claim. That's the problem with the plant versus meat argument, there are overwhelming studies to back up plants, but they're all correlation studies, or study meat eaters who also eat plenty of carbs. In other words, the studies are next to useless because there are no studies just looking at meat eaters, not omnivores. Humans have eaten mainly fatty meat for 100,000s of years. To believe that meat is suddenly bad for us is laughable.

Check out, "How not to diet" by Dr Micheal McGregor. You'd enjoy it.

I have been eating less (meat/veg/fruits/junk) and sleeping more, I was able to pick up my physical exercise beyond imagination. Gym/run on a daily basis. It's probably because you are eating less.

I did keto for years ! Years ago! I have clogged arteries now.! I switched over to eating plant based! Plus I bought organic plant protein powder with my fruit smoothie! I’ve never looked or felt so good since I’ve been doing plant based

Actually, the WHO claims red meat is a 'probable' carcinogen. And that 'probable' link is statistically insignificant and based on very poor epidemiological questionnaire based studies. When you realise that the study classified a meat pizza as red meat, and asked participants to remember how many meat pizzas they ate over the last 10 years, the data is worthless. Same for burgers, hot dogs etc as we know that processed carbs (ie the base/bun and sauces) are the problem, yet the meat gets blamed.

Yep, and he sells suppis. To counteract all the broccoli and spinach he munches on

@mas-udal-hassan9277 Who doesn't? Every influencer with a few letters after his name sells supplements. Why? The margins are good, and no one really produces supplements, all they do is label them.

I am less than impressed but maybe I missed something. What kind of evidence are you talking about? Anecdotes and opinions are weak evidence. Cherry picking studies is also a poor method of research.

Its because he has muscle and talks with authority right? 😭

@@ChadLucafact shows that eating Whole Foods like in a plant based way is healthier then eating processed foods!

Well fuck if we add infinity fiber then we get infinity all cause mortality reduction. We get to live forever. VAMPIRES BABY!

Yeah I don’t like how he criticizes other claims that are only shown in one study, then cites a study that hasn’t been replicated. 😂

@@Wanker527 he does that all the time... Why hasn he said anything about harvard carnivore diet?

@@Wanker527 This particular effect might not have been, but most of the benefits of fibre are well established with plenty of evidence behind them. Including, crucially, a reduction of all cause mortality risk (albeit not necessarily to this extent). And then there's the wealth of general research regarding consumption of fruits and vegetables. Eat your greens, kids.

@@brainlessoaf Further adjustment for lifestyle characteristics and dietary factors attenuated these associations, but the pooled hazard ratio remained significantly invers

@@TheBwithers Yep, 'attenuated' being the key word there. Healthy user bias is definitely a thing, but this has been considered many times before and the effect remains. I assume that's what you meant by "inverse" hazard ratio (less than 1 presumably), just clarifying that a little.

Perfect linearity is still an interesting signal

"...to digest" 🤣🤣

Yes, animal protein is less healthy than plant protein :(

@@hata6290 I don't think it's less healthy per se...it does help the most when you eat a low protein diet. But the study I read did mention methionine, which animal protein is the highest source of, increased mortality risk if consumed in high amounts. It's probably why so many body builders die of heart attacks.

@@hata6290 how?

@@tonywong8134 the reason bodybuilders die of heart attacks is due to excessive PED use

@@tonywong8134 association can not establish causation.

Not for me! Fiber seriously hurts my gut and my butt (yes literally). To each their own, but I won't poop for a week if I eat a lot of fiber 😫

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@@priscillamichelle1889 maybe look into the possibility of SIBO?

Agreed. Beans according to the world health organization is the single most effective food item at reducing death.

​@@priscillamichelle1889 Doesn't sound like fiber is the problem in your case. You should be able to handle fiber. Also what type of fiber cannot you not handle? Got to be specific. People claim carbs are bad, which is a massive generalization. Is all protein bad?

I tried pescatarianism a few years ago, but I'm mildly alergic to fish. I've been lacto for 5 years and lost a lot of weight (108kg to 68)

What is it :0

Another random useless epidemiology study twisted by healthy user bias. Nothing to see here...

@@swisscarnivore yeah just like that questionnaire the carnivores were going around touting from Harvard claiming it proves the carnivore diet is good, it's funny epidemiology is okay like the Epic Oxford study that said vegans were at a higher risk for fractures hip fractures and other types of fractures this is a study carnivores were using

2nd that! Curious to know how much fiber a day he recommends.

@@jeandenishaas yes! I think eating too much fiber can cause intestinal obstruction?

@@SirAlexanderdeLarge it does plumbing obstruction from personal experience 😄

@@SirAlexanderdeLarge increase your fibre slowly slowly and your body will get used to it. You will poop more often but you will poop much easier too.

Citation needed

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@@philip9650 yes, we need a citation that can establish a cause and effect relationship between fibre and better health outcomes

@@philip9650 bart kay made a response video to this. he talked about the fibre issue. hes an actual scientist btw.

@@scamdem1c He is a clown and his views are not in a line with nearly all scenctists. To be honest i never heard anyone before claiming so much nonsens

And oxalates.

And what is the main diet fed to the animals you eat?

​@@kimdawcatgirlweird. I've only been eating vegetables for 36 years. Still alive!

Well balance!? 😂

Holy fuck that’s awesome

That's amazing. I get about 45g of fibre daily on 3k calories. You must be eating a lot

@@joejoe850 not really just whole foods. Broccoli. Beans. Loads berries. Etc.

must be a regular mucus-dripping, fart factory.

Not immortal, you'd win any farting contest though

There I no data. The realty study is junk food eaters have shorter lives. Adding a daily dose of kale would not help

Eat everything raw like Liver King🥴

Hello, I am a pharmacy student. I think this is a great question. If I'm not mistaken (and if I am please feel free to correct me), heating proteins will "denature" them; heat will change the shape of a protein. It will not remove the amino acid "building blocks" that make up said protein. In the acidic environment of your stomach though, pepsin will break apart the peptide bonds (the connections that hold amino acids together to form a protein), but the amino acids are still there. Amino acids then get absorbed in your small intestine. Essentially, bioavailability of amino-acids should be equal whether you are heating proteins or not. Heating proteins should not influence the bioavailability of the amino acids you want to absorb from them. For anyone looking at this answer, if I am wrong feel free to correct me (ideally with sources). Hope this helps. -Thank you. P.S. I think there's actually an argument to be made that cooking meat decreases the energy required to digest it. I'm not too sure about this, but if this is the case then heating the proteins in meat could lower the energy required to absorb amino-acids. I don't think this counts as INCREASING bioavailability though. I'm not too sure about this last statement though, so take it with a grain of salt.

There is this idea that the studies around this concept only tested uncooked plant protein. That isn't true, both cooked and raw were checked in most, if not all, of the studies. From my understanding, the bioavailability was pretty much the same in both groups.

@@onemanswrld405 I think that guy is a nut, but I don't think he eats things raw. If you look at his videos and whatnot, he is essentially shit tons of cooked foods. Burger patties and giant trays of french fries, things like that.

@@manuelmontouliu830 You are, respectfully, incorrect. But only because your knowledge seems incomplete. So, you can't just consume amino acids and your body uses them. The protein for your bodies use actually has to have it's proper shape (protein folding) in order for it to be utilized by the human body. Like, if you buy a big sack leucine, you can't supplement your leucine needs with this, your body actually functionally breaks down different complete proteins and takes what it needs. So, whey protein isn't just a bunch of amino acids from whey, it's actually formed proteins from whey. When you look at the amino acid breakdown, that is what your body can take and use from a protein source. If you have ever baked chicken you have seen that gross white stuff that comes out of it (spume). That is denatured protein. If you were to eat that (which you can) your body cannot actually utilize any of those amino acids. When something in denatured, as the name implies, it loses it's "nature", that is the function of what it does. When you denature a protein, you are breaking it's bonds and turning into simple amino acids, which cannot be utilized by a human body because it's not made to process protein as simple amino acids. Think about it this way: You eat protein to get protein. Imagine you have a machine that is designed to only take ping pong balls that are connected by little sticks. So you get these little things and you throw them in and out the other side you get two separated ping pong balls. For reasons of this demonstration, someone is at the end and this is the only way to get them their desired product, and the process is time consuming, it takes a minute for each little connected pair. You say to yourself, "it would be much faster if just pull them apart myself and throw them into the machine". But when you do this, they don't come out the other side because the machine isn't designed to pass individual ping pong balls, only paired ones. The human body is much like this. It's designed to breakdown proteins and extract the amino acids it needs. There have been studies demonstrating that bioavailability of amino acids (vs proteins), is non-existent.

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Eh, no one likes to bring up the healthy user bias. Honestly, all cause mortality studies aren't that great, or I'm too dumb to understand why they are. They are "all cause mortality", which as far as I am aware is your heart disease and strokes, your diabetes... but also your car accidents, murders, people who die from falling from a mountain, etc... I'm unclear on how you can glean anything but the slightest correlation from this type of information. I think most studies show that when you remove the processed crap with any diet, you get way better health outcomes, and that would include an all meat diet as well.

@@BaresarkSlayne Good points.

And? Who cares? Fiber is still really good for you so what’s your point? Fiber isn’t useless much less harmful, so eat your vegetables

@@hata6290 Any evidence for that statement?

@@hata6290 why is fibre good for you?

Oatmeal is the fucking best thing in the world!!!!

Keto gave me constipation! Fiber is super important!

But suffering tho

Apparently there are people who literally only eat beef, liver, eggs, chicken and etc. No veggies, fruits or nuts. Some even go as far to say that some plant foods are poisonous to us.

a carnivore diet is literally only animal products, and for some only meat itself. Shawn baker is a popular carnivore diet advocate and he only eats beef ans eggs.

Atkins died of heart disease or a stroke In his 60s. He also died penniless sueing people who challenged his ideas. Plant chompers did a great video looking at the most influential nutritionists and who lived the longest.

@@vashlash6870 Do you mean he cherry picked a few long lived nutritionists? And Dr Atkins actually died of a traumatic brain injury after slipping on ice.

@@vashlash6870 Atkins died from a blood clot in his brain that he sustained when he fell on ice.

There are two possibilities. Option A: There is no consiousness, only a mechanical world. Therefore killing animals is ethical no problem (because they are only machines). Option B: The fundamental basis of everything is consiousness. Therefore killing animals is ethical a problem (because they are consiousness sentient beings). But: in this case, also plants have consiousness. How can you know that they feel less than animals? Just because animals are more similar to us than plants would be a very bad argument. And therefore you are not allowed to kill them either. This would mean that you have to starve an die (or maybe just eat fruits that have fallen down from a tree - but also they could still have counsiousness and feelings.) If you think on all this from a ethical perspective, there is only one conclusion: If you want to survive you have to hurt living beeings. Life is hurting others. This does probably not fit at all in the wonderful worldview of many vegans, but it is the sad philosophical truth. To live you have to hurt other beeings...

Plant based foods are no less harmful to animals and may actually cause more harm. Millions of insects, birds and rodents are deliberately poisoned to protect plant crops for human consumption. Using pesticides and herbicides are killing ecosystems because it's killing off the foods that animals eat. In England bird populations in rural areas have halved in contrast to a 17% reduction in urban areas. Petroleum based fertilisers cause pollution in waterways from run-off, killing ecosystems in lakes, rivers and oceans. Sediment run-off is also a big problem, contributing to the deaths of underwater ecosystems. The way we cultivate food is not good for the environment.

Hm, bloating happens also if you go from low fiber to high fiber. So it is also worth a try to do it gradually, so the microbiome can adapt to the new diet.

Yeah like we've been doing for thousands of years

It is important Gabe… but I guess you’ve been in the carnivore echo chamber for too long

@@hata6290 neither, I do eat vegetables but not because of fiber. Fiber is not even digestible, so it does NOT matter at all. Period, end of argument!!!

@@hata6290 fibre is so important you flush 99% of it down the toilet

@@ssj_gabe there are people everywhere who will disagree with you and literally laugh at you for saying that on pretty much any platform. It is believed everywhere that fiber has been proven, to be beneficial in so many ways. Of all the ridiculous things to believe the idea that it helps with constipation is the most amusing. When it actually does the exact opposite. The only studies ever show any benefits to fiber were when it’s added to a standard American trash diet. Eat a diet that puts your blood sugar to the moon and fiber will blunt the effect. Make it not quite as bad. That’s about it. If fiber helps you your diet sucks.

@@ssj_gabe vegetables have fiber so there for you are eating fiber even if your intentions are for the nutrients instead

Yeah the biggest argument though is that it tastes like absolute shit and eating a grass-only diet would make me want to throw myself off a cliff in 5 days lol. Look man, there are certain benefits to a plant-based diet. But food is one of the biggest pleasures in life, and most humans (if being honest) will tell you that there are few things more delicious than a well-prepared steak or some fresh sushi. Asking people to give up on one of their major sources of happiness does not seem like a wise plan IMHO. I'd rather live till 70 with my current omnivorous diet than gamble on gaining 5 more years by having to give up one of my favorite things in life. So no, it's really not that hard to argue against plant based lol. Not everyone is a robot that sees food as a mere source of energy and nutrients. Food is a social activity and a major source of pleasure. Disrupt that and you'll find yourself a lot more miserable, even if you don't want to admit it's due to your diet.

My experience too.

@@AustrianEconomist Well written. Balanced diet all the way. Fk fad and unnecessarily restrictive diets

EXCEPT your "protein" is not nearly as nutrient dense as a carnivore/ketovore diet. You can't get heme iron from a plant based diet and you can't get as much cholesterol as your body needs compared to eating saturated fat, which your brain ALSO needs to run well. Most of the nutrients in plants are locked in and CAN'T BE DIGESTED, unlike meat. You ALSO don't need fiber for your digestive system nor do you need to poop nearly as much as almost ALL of the food you eat is digested when eating carnivore. Plus you have FAR LESS inflammation from the poisons and toxins that plants naturally produce in order to protect themselves since they also don't like to be eaten. The ACTUAL research not bought by Kellogg's and Pepsi Co clearly show that saturated fat is GOOD and needed as the primary fuel source for humans and that we absolutely DO NOT NEED carbs as fuel, let alone it be our PRIMARY fuel source. That's why everyone is so fat and diabetic today with their HbA1c so dang high!

@@Akihito007 here come the keto zealots.... Literally look at WebMD, your body runs on carbs. I didn't say eat sugar. Yes you can get iron from plants, that's just a lie..... literally what? Your body produces as much cholesterol as it "needs". Not a lot of your comment makes much sense nor is it right.

I'm on a full carnivore diet and have reduced body fat, reduced inflammation, and reduced depression. A WPB diet doesn't sound anywhere near sensible to me. I'm in my 40s and feel better than I did in my 20s by cutting out all plants.

How is it sensible to avoid the most nutritious foods and instead eat plants which are inconvenient and make you bloated and tired?

​@@cringeproof100 Thats the thing, if you feel bloated and tired after eating fibrous foods then the issue is with you. The majority of people don't have that reaction. Could be a digestive issue, or a mental health problem, the two are highly correlated if you look at the research. There could be multiple reasons.

Why did you stop being a Vegetarian? I'm a Pescatarian. 🙂

Were you tracking your calories and macros? And how long were you on carnivore? If you weren’t eating enough fat or calories, or didn’t get fat adapted, that would explain it.

@@cringeproof100 On plant based roughly tracked calories to 3-4000, lots of good carbs from whole foods like fruit, quinoa, chick peas, lentils. Protein 125-175. Fats at around 50-70 but whole foods like activated nuts seeds and avocado. Was On carnivore only a week but fat adapted was not the issue. Have done 40-50 day water fast and lots of smaller ones and got “fat adapted” the issue was that after eating fatty meat or lots of fat in general I feel terrible and lose energy. I feel better fasting and working out rather than eating carnivore style meals so it’s not carb withdrawal. Saturated fat also flares up a lot of inflammation in my body and jacks up my ldl which is definitely an issue despite these nonsense claims that only small ldl blocks arteries, that’s been proven wrong.

You didn’t watch. He said potato protein is one of he best. He doesn’t sell that.

Ah the confidence with which you say that😅

have you tried solent? the drink

@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannelbro are you kidding 😂 look up seed oils

It is extremely unhealthy, increased risk for skincancer

Well put.

Funny how poverty no at just a personal level but at a national level forces its people to eat cheap plant bases, not only is animal protein prized in modern world it was prized in the times we all lived in Tribes.

@@davidjd123 I still consume some meat but I find ways to stretch it with lentils or beans. I buy high protein milk and I still eat eggs. It took me 10 months to find the job I start on 3/28 so I HAD to eat on the cheap. I'll definetly be taking my lunch to work. Probably a sandwich and fruit.

@@davidjd123 what the fuck are you talking about. Nothing you’ve said is true.

Forced to go full retard makes sense 🤦🏼‍♂️

@@teresahunt5521 nice, yah eggs and milk are the best bang for buck in terms of getting good proteins

people r so stupid.. Why make things more complicated.. Just google the nutrition facts of any animal food sources and compare to veggies.. this is just ridiculous, most plants are toxic, bioavailability of nutrients is phucking poor! And all dat plant "milk" stuff enriched with toxic seed oils..(sighs) it can't be as nutrient dense as raw dairy...

​@@Crixx909 You need to calm down and stop hurling insults. If nutrition science is as easy as google search, there will be no need for scientists and research. It is more complicated than just simply reading nutrition facts. Fibre is very important for the function of guts, and it only can come from plants.

@@samalamad774 ok, but why so much people feel way better without fiber? me included (no constipation when I cut all fiber) even after eating 2pounds of meat my stomach is flat, but if I add plants to my diet I look like a balloon and feel tired... I don't want to supplement with tons of pills to help me digest food lol so I think everyone should listen to their body, and if they feel like shit..that means they should change something

@@Crixx909 "Feel better" and anecdotal evidence doesn't fare well in the science. Sure if someone can't digest fibre, they will feel better without it. This doesn't mean that their problem is solved and their bodies are better without it. The root cause of the problem need to be addressed. A lot of people feel great after eating chocolate and junk food. It doesn't mean it is good for them. Dr. Layne here stressed on the importance of fibre siting studies and meta analysis. I'm convinced of its importance, but would it be okay to use fibre from fruits and oats instead of veggies. That was my question to someone who is much more knowledgeable on the topic than me.

I'm an omnivore who eats all kinds of fruit, vegetables, whole grains and mostly fish and whey for protein, after each meal I have a fiber chaser, a Shaker with water, wheat bran, oat bran and sugar free psyllium powder. Carful though, introducing fiber into the diet must be gradual at first.