Pogacar Attacks Vingegaard on the Gravel | Tour de France 2024 Stage 9 | Lanterne Rouge x JOIN 

He and WVA were the most instrumental in my opinion.

REmco will close those 10 sec easy becourse he is way better in time trials

@@marcprins3841 he has a better chance than jonas but he Will not do it easy

And maybe put a dropper post on some of the taller riders' bikes.

@@redkeyspokeon NBC they talked about how some of the bmc riders used to have a notch in their seat posts for Richie Portes seat height

@@redkeyspokemight be ok for a few minutes but likely still going to be way out on reach and saddle setback

100pct agree

I agree that it wouldn't be the smart thing to do for Jonas, but Jonas IS boring. Does he even like bike racing? People fall in love with riders that sometimes ride with their heart and for the love of the battle, rather than with their head. Pogi and Remco cycle with their hearts.

Damn. Jonas fanboys cannot handle that people like Tadej and Remco because they are fun to watch and not that boring stuff we always had to watch with Sky which is what Jonas with his rabobank trying to do. He is boring, cold and not fun too sucking behind wheel to look at, deal with it. He is still great GC rider and amazing climber but compared to Tadej and Remco, his riding is just boring af.

Chapeau!

Wow love the sub comments to this comment. But stand up to Jonas on this question: Why would he not put mateo jorgenson to work with pogacar and even relay himself when its the 3 of them ahead of remco working on his own towing teammates and roglic even further back? That is the most selfless and arrogant showing of this whole stage

I like Remco a lot as a rider, but he has a tendency to think that the world revolves around him. I suspect it's a product of being seen as a golden boy ever since he was a teenager. He's been coddled and yes-man'd for his entire adult life. That rarely produces emotional maturity.

@@jmsytbe Why are so many people hating on Remco when Pogi basically said the same thing in his interview. Force of habit?

Remco came out and said Vingegaard didn’t have balls, from what i read. Pogi would never use language like that, neither would he be so demonstratively shaking his head during the race - just not his style at all. That said, I love Remco as a rider and he helps make the tour look super exciting this year.

@@plo250 He said that riding away with the three of them would be racing with big balls. He wasn't mad at Vingegaard, just disappointed that the move didn't work out. He said he has to accept the different tactics of different teams.

​@@thorcoudyzer1779I mentioned Remco because the comment I'm responding to is about Remco. I made a nearly identical comment that included Pog elsewhere in this comment section.

? Jorgensen, Laporte, WVA you mean? Or better yet, visma’s stronger team saved the day for visma?

That’s what they pay him for. Good job by him and Laporte today with WVA.

Except he almost made a Froome

Great team work. WVA was really strong.

This is a fact

What is your take on the mountain stages? I personally think UAE has a much much better climbing team than Visma so Vingegaard will probably be isolated throughout those stages but Vingegaard should in theory be a better climber right?

The later stages maybe favour Jonas..but definitely not his team.

@lester8403 In theory he is a better climber..when he is in full form..right now he doesn't look like he is. Pogacar has much stronger team for the last week. But the question is will the Giro come into play for him

@@lester8403in theory they have a better climbing team, but I think the team lacks the “all in” mentality that visma has. Ayuso does not sacrifice everything he has to put pog in a position to win

That's their sthick. Straight-man / funny-man. Maybe unintentional, but in my opinion a big factor in why they are so entertaining.

@@redkeyspoke If Patrick - who literally chases flies during the podcast - is the straight man, the show is in trouble 😂

@@GDF07 lol, straight man can be funny, too. He just keeps a straight face, mostly.

Some might say unbelievable

Felix Gall was dropped about 10 times and every time someone else (Remco, WvA, Roglic, others) happened to also be behind and pace him back

He said he did not. JV had tried out his bike earlier, and said it was good enough as it was.

@@jmsytbe thanks, that's really interesting

He did not, but they are similar sized and they did practice having to give him his bike for the gravel stage.

I know, I never thought about it but I just assumed he was 5,7 climber type.

Jonas is one step closer to winning the Tour.

@@simonstrane unless what he says at minut 25... of course Vingo should relay with the 2 others...he has the wrong bike, he is to light and has too little power on the gravel = slides around = needs teammates to support him

Looks like they saw this! Good call.

There's a real ego problem in this team. It's been like that for a little while. But that's what you get when you hire so many GC focused guys and send them together in GTs.

@@adshdhhhd7783 I’ve only really seen Ayuso behave like that so far on the galibier stage. UAE brought a very climber heavy team compared to Visma so I never expected them to have a lot of firepower on a stage like today. And if you want to be fair, all of the other GC teams were also on the ropes today, none of them really had much of an impact besides Visma

100%

Well it might also be down to him burning matches on a stage like yesterday (stage 9).

UAE have a completely different approach. They've never been about teamwork. Whereas Visma ramped up their already great teamwork in order to win the TdF even with a rider as extraordinary as Pogi in the peloton. Last year, when UAE showed great team strategy in Lombardia for pretty much the first time ever, I was hoping they might develop that for this year. And they have, in some ways. What we've seen so far this spring and early summer is already quite different from how they rode most of the time in the past. If I didn't know better I might suspect Merijn Zeeman has been moonlighting for them 😂 What they're doing this TdF is a little different again. It seems like they made their team selection based on their annoyance that in 2023 no one but they themselves cared that they topped the UCI points ranking, theoretically making them the best team in the world. Since, ya know, Visma's #samenwinnen approach led them to become the first team in history to win all three GTs in one season, doing so with three different riders, riders who swept the podium in the last of those three GTs, with the winner having ridden and completed the lot in the top-15. And doing so on a budget much lower than that of UAE, a mere eight years after being at the bottom of the WT to boot. I get the feeling that UAE thought, stuff that, how can _we_ win those three GTs next season AND sweep the most important one of those three podia - where they got 2nd and 3rd in 2023, another achievement quickly relegated to the shadows by the light of Visma's team successes. So they decided to care a bit more about teamwork _and_ send four potential podium candidates to the TdF. Which leaves room for only four other riders. Do they have a realistic chance of sweeping this TdF podium? Probably. They're by far the strongest team in the mountains this year. Helped into that position by Visma having to show up with their C team (min Kuss, Van Baarle, Kruiswijk, Van Hooydonk; plus Van Aert). UAE's main challenge now is their own history of focusing on individuals rather than on teamwork. So we'll see how four, now three, UAE GC riders with less than a year of team focus on teamwork will hold up in the mountains against a Visma C team supported by a decade of intense focus on _team_ development. Unless something happens to Pogi and/or Jonas, of course, including hard to predict effects of the different preparation they both had this year compared to previous years. And depending on how Remco and Rogla hold up in the mountains.

Possibly, but it was made risky by the fact that there was a pretty strong break up ahead. If he'd joined up with that, and they actually worked together, that could have been trouble.

Wow.... that would have been sooo smart... well unless Pogy haddent won a race after a 80k breakaway earlier this year... unless its a gravel stage and you might puncture and throw away the hole tour on a stund like that.

To be fair, this stage was definitely one where Visma’s team as a whole was going to shine and definitely be the best on the day. Their lineup has quite a few riders that are really strong in classics/one day races. In the mountains, they definitely aren’t as strong as UAE.

Lol u are casual fan fr. UAE has 1.5 roulers with 6 moutain domestiques

Their squad is built for the mountains. Off course Ayuso,Almeida, Yates dont help much in gravel sectors but each of them has already finished an Grand Tour GC on the Podium. Almeida and Yates already clearly showed at Stage 4 how commited they are for Pogis win and Ayuso pace some aswell.

@@5508Vanderdekken as all Visma fans are saying “wait for the mountains”. All of UAE are saying “wait for the mountains” we will see how it plays out.

Yeah, I don't think this stage could have made a huge difference for the win. The mountains though...

what a story u should make a movie

It often is with him, although sometimes one happens as a result of the other.

Hey, I'd take the SNES any day. Although in this case, a more accurate analogy might be: A kid who got the chance to win a PS5 in a race tailored to his needs, only to mess it up and blame the kid in the wheelchair for refusing to give him a lift.

@@jmsytbe That's it. For all this talk about how Jonas should've pulled with Remco and/or Pogi I haven't seen a single convincing argument why Visma should include him in their Classics team. There are very good reasons they don't. Same reasons he's not going to the Olympics. I really don't know why people think he could or should be able to do any of this.

I ran the math and it comes out to about 1mm/hr

I can feel 3mm easily. It isn’t always a bad thing though. Sometimes it feels good to change position a little bit. I’m always messing with my position.

Jonas said it was a perfect bike and no effect. Is be surprised if they didnt change Tratniks bike to be Jonas size for this stage - its what i would do and Visma think of these sort of things so its crazy to think they would do this.

@@grimdonkey1😂

He looked like he was riding his big brother's bike.

@@chaseadventures to be accurate Jonas did not attack Tadej and get 5 minutes. WHEN Pog bonked, no one was attacking. Just stating the obvious but you are correct, Jonas did take 5+ minutes lol

@@J-cz7yv fair fair

I'm always a bit surprised by the confidence everyone seems to have in the "Jonas will get better and better" narrative. He hasn't raced in 3 months, maybe he isn't ready for a 3-week race and he's the one losing 5 minutes at some point, who knows.

Maybe, remains to be proven. Lots of people assuming Jonas will improve over the three weeks, when there's probably as much of a chance that his lack of base shows up in the end. That, and his relative lack of team strength will make it hard to break Tadej and capitalize with lots of time taken.

@@redkeyspoke yeah I still think it'd be a miracle if Jonas wins GC but this his best shot imo

really we will not know jonas form until the mountains. he suffered serious injury so we will see but I think this year is Pogi's to lose IMO

I have no clue how strong remco is on the mountains

No

Or stay on proper roads :D

It’s Geriant Thomas

Right? Getting annoying af!

Moronic words. Let's see if Remco has "the balls" to race in the mountains

Yeah, that one more or less confirmed Remco's poor understanding of tactics. But I get it, Remco rides for a podium whereas Jonas rides to beat Pogi and win the Tour. I don't think Jonas even cares about the podium at this point.

I agree 100%. Its not just jonas not pulling when its the 3 of them. Jonas not even to put a team mate to work when it is jorngenson, vingegaard and pogacar with roglic and evenepoel behind. That shows jonas/visma has no racing balls. Am gonna laugh my ass off if jonas misses out on podium because of this, but doubt that will hapen

Remco is a spoiled brat who thinks the world exists to be his domestiques. Today, the Tour gifted him and Pog a golden opportunity to take time, on a stage where they have a HUGE advantage compared to JV and even Roglic. They failed to take advantage, and have only themselves to blame. JV was like a fish out of water in this terrain, but defended himself superbly.

@@louisfourie800Jonas is only racing for the first spot, they don’t care if roglic is behind. Why the hell would they pull just for pogacar to beat him in a sprint and gain time?

No, he has a huge advantage over JV on a stage like this, it makes sense to try and take it. However, both he and Remco, and their fans, do appearently expect Vingegaard to be racing dumb. Sadly for them, he didn't, and so the chance was lost.

Hes racing smart. If Visma didnt have such a strong classics team jonas couldve been done for

i think if this stage had another gravel mountain vingegaard would be dropped by pogaçar

No, he saw a window and went for it. He's stronger on a stage like this than Jonas. Matteo really saved the day for Jonas and maybe even Remco. Maybe Remco pulls it back but Tadej gapped them pretty bad

He might be tiring himself. He can't possibly keep that pace for 3 weeks.

Winning doesn’t make you exciting

@@eddiel7635 you do know most of his stage wins are solo victories? from attacking. People just compare him to pogacar, because that’s his main rival, who’s an extremely aggresive rider. Compared to most grand tour riders his much more attacking

@@johanb3563 he’s not an exciting rider he’s just on a very dubious team.

@@eddiel7635 just go back to last years tour, stage 5 and 6 jonas started the attacking both days

@@johanb3563 being on a team with heavy ped use and taking advantage of a risk free attack is not exciting

Of course you do, it just makes it look like you don't understand grand tour strategy. You want carnage, watch NASCAR.

The issue isn't who you or your kind are supporting, it's that, to put it frankly, a lot of the comments make it look like people are severely lacking in cycling knowledge. You have the right to your opinion, but others also have the right to call out that opinion, especially if it appears to be based on a complete lack of understanding of basic cycling tactics and strategy. Or a lack of understanding of what different types of riders can or cannot do.

How many GTs have you followed?

Staying on the leaders group with little to no support? You’re right, def sucks

You know you're dealing with extremely _new_ fans when athletes in a team sport are being critized for using their team.

Cycling is a team sport. This is also why Pogacar has chosen a team full of mountain domestiques because he knows that is Jonas' terrain when they get to the real big mountains.

They can't. Which is probably why they haven't, I would guess.

@@jmsytbe they played possum hard before the tour started

@@louisfourie800 To an extent. "Jonas can barely ride his bike" is very much your words though, not theirs. They never went that far, or close to it. They also said he'd only race if he was in good enough shape to be competitive, ie. race for the win. It's clear that Visma-LAB only care about the win, not secondary podium spots.

They didn't, question is why you are lying?

🤣 their legs aren't changing length by 5mm, it's spinal compression. You'll feel 3mm over 3 hours even if not the end of the World.

The issue was the steering position.

JV won a pretty impressive TT last year as well. In the last decades, GC riders tend to be like that (great climbers and TT guys with strong teams), Pogacar and Roglic are a bit of a different breed.

What Vingegaard has done over the last couple years is not remotely comparable to the torture of the SkyTrain days. Stages like Grannon and Hautacam in 2022, or Tourmalet and Marie Blanque in 2023, are far beyond what Froome did in the TdF in those years.

Sorry you can’t enjoy the full spectrum of cycling

In theory that could make sense, but in reality they're already useless as secondary GC riders, from Vismas perspective. They absolutely do not care about any GC threat from anyone in UAE except Pog, not even a little bit. They barely even care about Remco and Roglic. Any "GC attack" from Almeida, Ayuso or even Yates will be ignored outright by Visma. They simply don't care.

The idea Ayuso and Almeida were ever anything else than GC fluff baffles me. In what universe would Jonas be worried about them -- he's beaten both without issue before. If he's in form, Pogi is the Worry. If he's not in form, well, then so what? Yeah, he'll try for a podium but only after GC has settled at which point Ayuso and Almeida will have become irrelevant. I'm more inclined to believe it's about man management -- letting them believe they have a GC role to soothe their egos. And we've already seen Ayuso has one hell of a an ego.

You know he was not on his own bike right? I think you do but just let's your hate overshadow it

I'll ask you the same question I've asked others with this opinion, and have yet to receive a useful answer to: What would be his motivation to suddenly start working with Pog and Remco? Mind you, I'm not asking for _your_ motivation (you think it would be more entertaining), I'm asking for _his_ motivation. What would he stand to gain, and how would this offset what he stands to lose (expanding energy to help Pog, only for Pog to attack in terrain that's vastly more comfortable to him and dump him)?

@@LarsRyeJeppesenIt’s a fact that JV is a boring rider, who doesn’t take risk. Just bc you’re a Vingegaard fanboy doesn’t make us haters for pointing out the truth. Get it? 🤡

@@lordoflaziness7775faxxxxx

@@lordoflaziness7775 A fact?! Amazing! Please do show me the well thought-out and researched thesis? ... Y-You don't have one? ... Well emm I assume you have more then just objective opinion right? ................Right?.... Oh dear. Another child, how embarassing. Some people like watching riders just use nothing but their legs and then win big or lose hard. And some like watching the tactics and the teamwork of cycling. You clearly belong to the former, and there is no problem with that .. That is your subjective view and preference. Now, please allow us more ... Sophisticated veteran watchers to appreciate well thought out tactics and reason in a rider like Vingegaard. (btw, me thinking myself a more sophisticated viewer is totally subjective and might not be rightfully representative of the situation. But I thought it would annoy you so I did it anyway. See how opinions work? Good now back to the circus with ye.)

lol cope harder

Guys why didn't Vingegaard, a 58kg pure climber with no classics or gravel experience, use all his energy to help his two main rivals, both of which are absolute world class classics specialists, ride further away from the peleton and the remains of his team? I just don't understand even though my mom says I'm ever so smart and handsome.

​@@jmsytbebest comment I ve Seen today😂😂😂

​@@jmsytbethese guys are so dumb it's insane

Many people don't understand how to win the biggest race in the world here. Those guys are not here to have fun or show how strong they are, they're here to win that race. JV showed he could do that the last two years. We'll see what happens this year. A smart rider needs to know his/her limits and strengths and work with that in mind. JV had no reason to ride during this stage.

I was gonna respond "why bother watching cycling if you have absolutely no understanding of even the most basic aspects of the sport at all?", but that wouldn't be fair. We all have to start somewhere. Just... try to educate yourself, just a little bit. Try to pick up knowledge, for example by listening to commentators or podcasters, and by just trying to analyze what's happening on the screen in front of you. I suspect that, once you've followed the sport for a year or two, you'll be able to look back at your old comments and cringe. That's growth!

@@francistumwesige1028 I have solutions for you, keep your eyes on your “fun rider” and close your eyes when Jonas pass by.