Poker Strategy MATH Every Pro Knows 

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@@marcjtdc Why?

Nice!

#quickmafs Great

Wow!! Thank you So Much for this!!! This should be a video.. somewhere!!! Nicely done!!

@@sogbryan6633 glad you like my shortcut. I noticed the pattern, tested it and it works.

Thank you Ville, and hopefully you're enjoying the library!

You're very welcome, and I hope you had a refreshing break!

Cheers Nicholi!

You're very welcome Casey! Any other topics you'd like to see covered?

Sadly me too just dont undertand it 😂

Poker math is used for analysis and study when not playing. This will give you a better understanding of the game and assist you when playing. If your serious about making a profit then you have to put in the time to learn the formulas when not playing.

Study away from the table. Then when someone bets pot, you know it's 2:1. If someone bets half pot, it's 3 to 1. And if it's somewhere in between, you can just estimate.

A dumbed down way to get a good estimate of your pot odds would be to add what you are calling to itself until you reach the size of the pot. For example you’re in a tournament and it’s 12350 to call with a pot of 51400. Just simplify it to 12 and 51, then do 12+12=24 +12=36 +12=48. 48 is close to 51 so we can just estimate a little more than 4:1 because 12+12+12+12 is the same as 12 x 4, so that’s where you get 4:1

Setting .75x and speed of his talk is good. I didn't try .5x

I agree

There are sheets to memorize them. Look for pod odds sheet. I got one from upswing years ago and after a few sessions i had them in my head. Never been good at math to.

Just pause the video and take time to think about it

you think the solvers picked up on basic math? i'd say thats a safe bet.

Because after they bet the 12k the total pot size will be 28k. you then divide 28k by the amount you will have to bet which is 12k. 28/12 =2.3. Therefore 2.3:1 is just a simplified ratio of 28:12.

Gonna wing an answer here. Looking at 4:1 = 20%, the easy conversion is to realize 4:1 is 1/(1+4). So 2.3:1 is 1/3.3, which l is about 3/10. The values were 100% of original pot, 75%op, 75%op, making 2.5x the original pot. .75 (player commitment) out of 2.5 (total pot after calling), * 4/4 for easier math, comes to 3/10. So if you win 30% of the time, it's a wash.

its actually nonsense.... if the math was correct the ratio would be described as 23:10... if the guy below is correct about 28/12 then this breaks down to 7:3

I talk about this point a lot with a friend as our games tend to be primarily with guys who are playing recreationally. This math certainly makes sense based on the the definitions and would seem applicable in more advanced company, but things like what percentage of the time should I be bluffing are much less relevant against players who aren't even aware of concepts like ranges or table image etc.

The math still applies, just the way you fill in some of the variables, like their fold %, will be different.

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A lot of time using tools like Equilab or Flopzilla to better estimate/eyeball in real-time what your equity is. It takes a lot of off-table time, but it's super useful long-term work.

Cheers!

Your cards will impact equity, yes. The pot odds are the same, but your estimated equity can vary massively dependent on your hand and the range you assign your opponent.

The good news is it's certainly learnable and it's one of those things that you learn once and use forever. The workbooks are a good starting place imo: www.splitsuit.com/poker-workbooks

it’s the basic theory of calculation even if villain bluff a lot, there are many good hands disguise from that. You need to pay attention with basic theory beside exploite players on the table.

Because when I teach the shortcut method there are hundreds of comments like "WTF HOW YOU EVEN GET THAT NUMBER BRO? SO I WIN MY OWN CHIPS? LOL CLOWN". So it's just been easier to teach the long(er)form math in videos lol.

@@ThePokerBank That's interesting. Maybe its a difference between north American and British schooling. Ratios were never taught in high school, up to the age of 16. Though that may have changed since the 90s!

@@littleinkling4604 Certainly possible!

Yup. www.splitsuit.com/poker-preflop-math-workbook

Because once you've put money into the pot, it's no longer yours. Unless you are doing a multi-street analysis, run the pot odds calculations like the video does.

yes, you have to accept the money you invested up to that point is no longer yours, so a bonus if you get it back as part of the win@@ThePokerBank

​@@ThePokerBankyes but surely you should only use the profit you will make when calculating pot odds. For example, if the pot is 1000 (I've put 500 and opponent has put 500) and opponent bets 1000 on the river. By your calculations, I need to be winning 33% of the times to break even but if you try that then it doesn't work because losing twice puts you at -3000 and winning once then puts you at -1500. Any help would be appreciated

@@ardo7214 By my calculations you would call $1K to win $2K (the $1K pot + villain's $1K bet). Winning $2K 33% of the time and losing $1K 67% of the time, everything rinses down to breakeven.

@@ThePokerBank Please can you explain mathematically why we don't consider the money we have previously put into the pot? Thank you for replying and I really like your videos

Both. Maybe this video will help: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-viS9EYf_-Kw.html

No, it's 3:1 (risking $100 to win the $300 in the middle ($200 pot + villain's $100 bet)). That translates to 25% equity required. (fwiw, 4:1 would translate to 20% equity required).

@@ThePokerBank thanks for clarification I love the concept of ur videos especially for me starting out full time mtts can u please make more content like this it really helps. Just explaining different situations n scenarios thanks appreciate it

@@ThePokerBank also could u possibly do any videos on BR strat ? Like how n when to take shots properly. Which games to play for optimal BR growth. Etc. I kno there is alot different ones out there but it would be nice to get your perspective on it. Especially for MTT players or anything along those lines Love the content my Friend

@@DHpoker27 I did a video on taking shots here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RC8CuzTcSZk.html As for MTT content, have you done CORE yet? There is an MTT course included with it that sounds right up your alley: redchippoker.com/launch-core

@@ThePokerBank thanks for the timely response n information, I appreciate it..

Pot is 300, Opponent bets 150. You shove and he folds. You win the 300 in the pot and his 150 bet. Total 450.

​@@VasiliNyks Ok, you are correct, I've rewatched the video and it's definitely 150 into 300. It's just pot includes opponent's bet.

Of course, and even more so if you can get your opponent to fold too often before the next card comes =)

There are differences when calculating the EV of a single action (like we are in this video) vs. the EV of an entire line/branch.

Math in itself is always correct, you need to be long term oriented not results oriented off of a downswing. That said, you may also be the unluckiest player alive and be in the bottom 1% of players that gets outdrawn as there is no such thing as infinite games for human beings with regular life spans. Math is based off of an infinite number of hands, so in theory you will win over time and you most likely will if you play it right. Even tho you lost you should still be happy they called, cus as you say 95% of the time you will end up with profits and your bankroll will be happy for it. Unless you BI is your bankroll, in which case... you probably should play at a lower limit :p

@@T3n50r - I lost with quads three times in a row a few years back. Maybe I do qualify as the unluckiest player on the planet. I have come across one person who lost with quads twice in a row but I'm still the king of variance.

@@aardvarkbiscuit2677 Damn, what were you playing? Omaha?

Why not do some basic math WHILE running a lil blue steel on your opponent?

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That works against the easiest part of the player pool, but it will quickly fail against even slightly thinking players =)

ofc not. this was explicitly mentioned in the video =)

dont you people listen or watch properly???!!!!

feet are the most honest, and lower body, when someone is chatting to u at the bar but not really interested, thier feet are often already heading to the door!!

Worked like a charm at 75% speed. 🥳

wow. That's...a lot to parse.

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So after some thought it’s not 4:1, it is 5:1 as you said. 4/1 is the fractional odds and that’s what I was meaning. But as I said you should need 20% equity to continue because that’s your implied odds 1/5 or 20%. So I’m still stuck on where the 17% to continue is coming from because it results in negative ROI

@Austin Belitz You can’t assume the betting will always stop there. If you hit your hand the expected 17% of the time, your opponent will still likely put some more money in, and then you can call or even raise them after that (possibly even go all in). If your opponent does not bet, you can still bet your hand as well and your opponent will likely call most bets if he bet every other street. You have to consider what expected value you should get once that river card turns over. That is a very important variable when doing the math on that turn card example. Not to mention if your opponent checks the river, you now have the option to bluff. Picking up some fold equity as well. Your assumption that after 100 of the same hands you will only return 340k is nearly impossible. Again because if your hand hits you will likely bet half pot, full pot or all in and your opponent will call some % of the time. So 340k is your baseline and anything else you can squeeze out of your opponent is where the profit builds up. For example out of the 17/100 times you hit your hand, lets say half of the 17 = 8.5 you get more chips out of you opponent. Sometimes quarter pot bet, half pot and sometimes your opponent calls an all in. out of the 8.5 times you get a call, lets say you average an extra 20k chips on the river. You are now returning 510k not 340k after calling that turn bet.

@@luke1708 thank you for the detailed response, I appreciate that. My first question now is are we also considering the more money we potential lose 83% of the time if we continue? Why are we not looking at each spot independent of one another. Like why do we consider what could happen on future streets but at same time we are not considering money we’ve put in on previous streets when calculating. I want to understand poker on this level because I want to actually go to a live tournament. I’ve only been playing online low stakes cash games and the occasional live 1-2 games at Winstar when I can make the drive. I’ve finally understand positioning and ranges over the past 6 months. Now all im missing is understanding pot odds and equity.

@@austinbelitz3808 Will if you miss on the river the 83% of the time with this hand, you can simply fold rather than putting any more chips in the pot (theres some cases where you will be able to bluff as well). you have to go back to the flop and consider what your equity was there. Lets continue with this example and say you were on a flush draw and looking for a heart on the turn or river. Once the opponent bets the flop if you are on a flush draw, you have around a 40% chance of hitting the flush by the river. So you make the call if the odds are right. Now that you get to the turn, the flush isnt there... bummer. But if your opponent is still giving you the right price to call on the turn, you have to make the call (especially considering all the other money you have invested to get to this point).

Also you can look at each spot and make an educated decision based on what you are seeing. With the cards in this example 8h 6h 3d. Lets say you have AJ of hearts. If your opponent bets the flop you should sometimes consider raising them. You have the nut flush draw and 2 over cards (Ace and Jack). thats 9 outs for the hearts and 6 more outs for the Ace and Jack. 15 outs total. Not saying Ace or Jack will always be good, but its a good bonus. With that said you have nearly 60% chance of having the winning hand once youve seen the flop. Your basically never folding the flop bet in this example. So once you have called the flop and you are now here at the turn, all you can do is look at the numbers in front of you. And if you are getting the right pot odds now that you are here, calling is typically going to be the play. On a side note a quick way to calculate your equity is to multiple your outs by 2 for turn and river. So on the flop if you have 6 out multiply by 4 = a 24% you'll make your hand by the river. On the turn if you have 6 outs multiply by 2 = a 12% chance you'll make your hand by the river. I assume you likely already knew this quick way to estimate your equity. But if not, its helpful.

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If you watched all of the related videos that go more indepth and still have absolutely 0 idea what's going on - then maybe?

@ThePokerBank Damn, time to pick a new career path =(

Someone had to be!

I even try to speak slower in these videos, lol

That certainly saves quite a few of those brain bites =)

How does one grasp anything? Study, practice, use. =)

Can you name a few people who have better speech patterns so I can better understand the difference?

@RobertPaulson4221 You have to work on the way you communicate. The way you insult the content provider like your opinion is fact is way too annoying to take you seriously. (And, yet the content provider responded in a very professional manner regardless of your rudeness) @ThePokerBank James, I find your voice pleasant to listen to. I also enjoy that your content is well thought out and you speak smoothly in a practiced manner without being monotone. It makes the concepts so much easier to understand. I find it much harder to maintain focus on people who digress and use a lot of filler words like 'um'. I've enjoyed your content for years - here and on Red Chip - thank you for all of your hard work!

@@shawndabehrns2253 I am not the one putting out videos. I communicated my thoughts very clearly and he replied in a way that suggests he is interested in improving. I am doing far more to help his channel than someone like you who only wants to kiss his butt instead of finding ways to improve

@@shawndabehrns2253 I really appreciate that Shawn, thank you!

Very much so, yes.

Did my face match the voice?