Lucky for him this was in the UK and not anywhere else or the Police would have kicked the living crap out of him. Good on the copper , you can’t get in someone’s face like that and expect them not to react.
In fairness the big fella in the black shirt was squaring up to the copper and was right in his face, so the copper was quite within his rights to push him away. What follows after that is entirely the big fellas fault.
@@TomGodson95 TBH I am not sure that that is the case. It would take a very good lawyer and a lenient judge, to successfully argue that someone simply holding up their fist to you was sufficient grounds for you to use physical force on them. There would have to be other good reasons for you to be able to successfully claim you acted in self defence. In any case you can only use such reasonable force as is necessary to defend yourself (or others), and once you have effectively done so you must stop using that force or you could put yourself at risk of committing a criminal offence. The simplest solution is that where possible, you walk away. If you can safely remove yourself by walking away then there is no need for any physical contact and no risk of being accused of being over zealous in your own defence.
@jaxwabbit well about 10 years ago I witnessed a guy taunting someone get knocked out, the guy then walked away I asked the cops why they didn't stop him and they said the only way they would have stopped him is if he then proceeds to attack the man on the ground as he is defenceless, they they said if he had kicked him instead they could have arrested him for using a weapon ( his shoes) as they were classed as an object of reasonable force, the guy who got knocked out was holding his fists upto someone while taunting him
@@TomGodson95 in your original post you state “if someone holds fists up it is classed as taunting so you’re allowed to use defense” which is entirely different from the circumstances you have now described in your second post, which has highlighted that the aggressive male was not only holding his fists up but that he was doing so whilst verbally abusing or taunting the passive male. As I said before the simple act of holding fists up is unlikely to be sufficient to justify self defence, however when you add in the verbal abuse the situation takes on a different dynamic and it may be reasonable to argue that a preemptive strike was required to stop the aggressive male from attacking the passive male. However, what would have happened if the aggressive male had sustained serious, or perhaps fatal, injuries as a result of the actions of the passive male ? There are many ‘single punch’ incidents in which this has been the case and there are some in which a special plea of self defense has been lodged, and then summarily dismissed during court proceedings. The simple thing is that IF you have the opportunity to walk away, then do so and remove all risk of being involved in an incident which could have catastrophic consequences.
No, he wasnt . The polis needed to have advised of proper distance and in effect behaved like a thug himself. Anyway,all Scots need to wake up,the country is becoming a 3rd world hole. Unvetted bogus economic migrants being shipped up into the country by Westminster.
The officer placed his hands on his belongings and had no reason to do so square up is not breaking the law however laying your hands on the public and throwing them around is assault, discrimination at its finest here so what if his an x drug user I’m sure many read this have done drugs in their life time
You're absolutely right, however the term "reasonable force" is mostly subjective and should be struck out of UK law where personal defence is concerned; It's a completely subjective term - What's reasonable force to you might not be to others.
@@steve00alt70 The guy used intimidation to make the officer fear for his safety. No the officer never touched the guys bag, it was stuck to his PAVA which he was removing. UK law defines assault as: "An intentional or reckless act that causes someone to be put in fear of immediate and unlawful physical harm". Jolting your face into someone elses whilst being angry is a form of intimidation. Just because you do not like the police doesn't mean they cannot use reasonable force.
@@paulg2234 “mugs like you backing them up”…….you couldn’t be further from the truth. I dont conduct myself like a junkie scheme thug tho. All this does is give the establishment more power. You’re all too thick to realise that tho
He squares up to a policeman. He is much bigger than the policeman. But the policeman defends his authority. They are trained to defend their red lines. Fair play, good police training. Notice he picked on the smallest policeman there.
Sorry but that's not good police training at all. Police are trained to deescalate at all costs and this is escalating/antagonising. Good policing would have been to hold up hands, step back and give a verbal warning. Not push a member of the public. Its scary some people actually see this as good policing.
@@tonyalderman7600 Why do you wish we had far worse-trained, evidence-planting and even more corrupt cops in the UK than the ones we already have tony? That's fucking dumb isn't it.
Should have been lifted for squaring up to the copper in the first place, nae being funny but if you’s aren’t junkies why you getting so worked up over words then? Perfectly justified approach by the police, you’s give auditors a bad name….
guys a tool but being called a junkie is not right if a call you a prick and you react does that make you a prick? no it shows you ain't having someone mock you but saying that you are a prick so deal way it
Why? The vast majority are great. It’s just that the few who aren’t are so horrific it taints the whole service. So I totally get where you’re coming from because I had an awful unfair experience that I had to work to remember that most of them are decent.
Same and I'm criminal af..every time I get jailwhen I'm in wrong .99% of time lol. I accept it..they're only doing their job. Makes it worse when your in cell if you give them shit they'll just kick yer cunt in. Trust me
@@ageordieboy because the vast majority of police are corrupt who will either fine you for petty reasons or even worse arrest you and make your life a misery for even more petty reasons ..police are nothing gut hired thugs who blindly follow orders
@@stephenm8898 it's from Bittersweet Truth, Dr Jamnadas talk. I did 44 day water fast and lost exactly 3 stone, 42 pounds, or 18kg in 1 month. after listening to it, I've put abit back on, thanks for reply so promptly, top marks for that, yeah I been listening to his talk each day, and the jordan peterson one keto carnivore.
@@jketcham9004 And what ? What is your actual point apart from sounding like an absolute moon unit . Never ever heard anyone call Irn Bru ''iron'' bru before . Defo not Scottish and a 100% walloper
I've been on wrong side of law.. Everything I've done I've put my hands up to. I've been in prison and turned my life around years ago. I think everyone should be held accountable but that includes those in authority also. There seems to be a lot of people signing up with the wrong intentions and/or become malicious and unable to handle the power and responsibility that comes with the job. I have no respect for criminals who hide behind an organisation to commit crimes they otherwise wouldn't do in a normal society. They rely on these bogus independent committees to cover up their misbehaviour and criminal conduct. That being said in this video the police were absolutely justified in dealing with the assault or invasion of personal space.. In the heat of the moment with someone that close with that demeanour anyone would react with hands out and push away. Yes the officer acted appropriately imo fair play
Epic , epic fail of a comment. ''boxing daft '' - people who create these usernames generally know nothing about what it is they claim to be ''daft '' about.
Our police must "own" the streets for the sake of civil society. The lout needs to know that. You need to have more "front" lads, make your job easier.
A boot sale is amazing I'm sure you guys probably have something similar, it's a bunch of cars pulled up in a field usually, selling stuff out of their boots (trunks?) either stuff they don't want anymore or stuff they've collected to sell. It's not always out of a boot there's usually tables and stands too, they're always fun to visit
liessssss , absolute liesssss. Soliders don't behave like that in public . Also he is one cheeseburger away from a heart attack . What a weird lie to type.
Isn’t that the same guy who was resisting arrest and when he got pepper sprayed he said it tasted like JD? I swear it’s the same guy, nice to see he’s still being a menace to society 😂
Nah, I'll point out when a taxpayer-funded public servant is out of order, especially police, but these guys were in the right; The latter part of the assault definition in Scotland reads, "puts the victim in a state of fear that he or she may be about to suffer bodily injury", otherwise defined as common assault - These cops did nothing wrong. Maybe muppets shouldn't try and fight police out of spite for being accused of something.
Problem is, even the least amount of excessive force is to much anyone in the positions of power will always be criticised period permanent forever lol
To be fair the Cop made the wrong decision in the first place to let him get within arms length in the first place but in regards to him reacting to the thug being confrontational and aggressive he was 100% justified.
Horrific man, the coppers were mocking him but polite until that bevvies bully got up close and personal! I bet his breath could strip paint off a wall! UK lol 😆 😂 🤣 😅 😄 🇬🇧
I from Nottingham and if Scottish police officer did that to me 🤬 ask any Scot about what Nottingham people do to the Scots there don't call us Nottingham butchers for no reason. Think Scottish police need to get humble really quickly before they cross paths with the wrong people. Because let's face it who like Scotland nowadays? 🤦
Edinburgh is the most desired place to live in the UK. How come you don't like Scotland? We've been in a union for over 300 years fighting and dying on the same battlefield for that long, so how come you hate Scots?
Seen the video of this dude getting pepper sprayed in the face outside the shop and he's still going for it! Mmm that tastes like jd mm tastes like jd he says 😆😆
No member of the Public squares up to the police. He is very fortunate not to get jailed and investigated for the night. RESPECT FOR ALL. ALWAYS. This of course goes for certain officers who go beyond the law. That’s not right either of course. But this officer showed incredible restraint in this situation. We have a duty as members of the `public to show at least the same respect to our law enforcement. We need to get tired of this defiance of the law. Newtons 3 law applies in each and every case guys. So let’s grow up in Scotland. When we’re in need, it is our police who (hopefully) turn up to help right!
How is pushing someone and shouting at them "showing incredible restraint"? Police are trained to deescalate, not escalate a situation. They shouldn't be laying hands on somebody simply for being in their personal space. That wouldn't be okay the other way around. Yes, the guy was an idiot but this could have been handled so much more professionally. The police officer's anger and shouting at the guy is just an embarrassment to the force.
someone should tell Andrew that 'Junkies' are still human, still someones family etc - before the universe humbles him. Because you see, Addictions are merely coping mechanisms that humans have adapted - and its not just 'junkies' that are blessed with them.. most of society today has at least one coping mechanism be it porn, sex, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, binge watching Netflix - I could go on all day creating a list of coping mechanisms just in scotland alone. But you get my point by now right? lets stop judging others and start actually tackling issues that affect us all.
lol his jacket got caught on the cops torch or whatever the fuck that is, and the doughnut squared up to the cops, deserves a hiding. i could be wrong but i think this is the same vid as "tastes like jd" when hes getting sprayed in the face? looks like sainsburys george st aberdeen, full of minks.
what happened after that is those coppers assaulted those guys even further....and none of those coppers had body cams on....Police Scotland are well known for assaulting people, they do it all the time.
