Pontiac Torrent: Failed Starter, Won't Crank Over

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In this video I have a look at a Pontiac Torrent that was towed in for a no start, no crank situation. Doesn't take long to find a failed starter motor. Let's get at it! -Enjoy!
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@spaceboy7192 2 года назад

I'll take SMA over watching the Super Bowl any day!!!!

@adventureoflinkmk2 2 года назад

Hear hear

@user-yw6ei8yt4q 2 года назад

Unless the Bills were in it , right EricO

@jaredoaks6317 2 года назад

A new SMA video!? What football game

@adventureoflinkmk2 2 года назад

I heard dat

@melvingibson4525 2 года назад

Don't need to see any kneeling and masks

@tomtheplummer7322 2 года назад

Saved this vid for my halftime show👍🏻

@xLPDz 2 года назад

People still watch that?

@mikeholt3545 2 года назад

Half time just got better!

@spursmaniac5060 2 года назад

Eric O. wins Oscar for best impersonation of a torque wrench! And yeah, it ain't 1970 anymore, but the old school hammer on that starter could still get you home :) Nice job as always Mr.O.

@chuckmiller5763 2 года назад

That old school hammer on the starter would get you home and work until payday.

@bobwright992 Год назад

True for those of us who understand it's likely a One time thing.

@corvettebob96 2 года назад

3:04 When you tapped on the starter with the hammer, you let the factory smoke out of it. Everyone knows that once you let the smoke out of an electric motor, it needs to be replaced.

@akdenyer 2 года назад

Hi Eric, I used to run an auto electrical shop and still do starters and alternators along with other electrical repairs. However domestic units are not really economic. So a warrantied unit from NAPA is the best way in my opinion. I do mainly special units now like vintage tractors and equipment, marine. I also do diagnostics like you and Ivan. Some Alternators are economic if the customer can wait. Parts are available I buy mine from Woodautos in England. Fast and relatively cheap and the shipping is usually faster than the US. AMSCO VALLEY FORGE is another supplier in New York. I work in New Brunswick Canada. Most parts are made in India, China or Taiwan. I still have the equipment to rewind magnetos as well but no call for that now.

@curtisroberts9137 2 года назад

Definately the only time it pays is on something that isn't available or one something someone wants to keep original on a classic vehicle. Glad folks like you are around to do those jobs.

@roxanneabbott8424 2 года назад

Where are u located?? Those are my fave guys too!

@chrishartley1210 2 года назад

I remember getting a rebuilt starter motor from Wood Autos a few years ago, far better than an OEM part and the I'm also lucky that they are only a few miles away. My current starter is also getting a bit lazy, might be time to pay them another visit.

@luigifabio77 2 года назад

Isn't there an aviation market for the magnetos? Or does that require specific certification perhaps?

@matthewbrandon931 2 года назад

You guys that work in auto electrical are wizards to me.

@debndave4871 2 года назад

The SMA videos are more entertaining than the "big game"

@Garth2011 2 года назад

Yes...much more and a lot less B.S.

@ranger178 2 года назад

what there was a big game i must have missed it darn

@Garth2011 2 года назад

@@ranger178 The cost just to park there, anytime, not just for Super Bowl, is minimum $100 but the walk to the entrance is long. They have shuttles for an added fee. Beer is $15 each.

@frizzlefry1921 2 года назад

@@Garth2011 That’s unreal!

@Garth2011 2 года назад

@@frizzlefry1921 It's so expensive...folks are crazy to spend on that. A family affair? No way it is so its turned into mostly adult attendance plus the level of services, food, drink, entertainment is crap.

@gunners4129 2 года назад

"The big fancy scan tool" gets me every time 😂 poor Scotty

@neilmurphy845 2 года назад

@Jon Black Toyota are the best everything else is junk

@jamesnasium4035 2 года назад

Poor Scotty has 4 million subs. He's an entertaining fellow.

@gunners4129 2 года назад

He's also responsible for millions of improper repairs. What a good guy, saving people money while endangering them and everyone around them lol

@glenncerny8403 2 года назад

When I was a kid back in the 60's working at the gas station we rebuilt starters and generators and even did replacement fuel pump diaphragms. A lot of it had to do with small inventory because the common internal replacement parts fit a wide variety of models. Not any more.

@psdaengr911 2 года назад

In a hundred years kids won't know what a starter is, will look at this video and wonder why that greasy stuff is on the bottom.

@parochial2356 2 года назад

Nice of GM to include a built in starter anti-rust system.

@cigarsgunsandgasoline8032 2 года назад

Ze Germans also have a nice chassis anti rust system also!!!

@moehoward01 2 года назад

What? The heavy coating of oil?

@charliekeene2003 2 года назад

He said it was just treated with anti rust

@jasonspellich2440 2 года назад

That's NHO undercoating

@toddbishop9412 2 года назад

That starter lube that leaked out of old one. That oil filter cracked me up the whole time.

@BrianFullerton 2 года назад

I remember pulling a starter off a running cummins genset on a dredge I worked on. Had been doing the hammer to start thing for a while and we needed to get it rebuilt...and had to keep the dredge running (it was a 24 hour, 6 day a week kind of thing). Not the easiest starter in the world to change, but still remember taping up the 24v leads, and putting in studs in place of the bolts to allow it to slide out without rotating (didn't want the nose to hit the flywheel). Ah to be young and dumb. No other way to have good memories.

@robertquast9684 2 года назад

I did this on a international farm tractor. Seemed like a good solution to the problem at the time

@stevebot 2 года назад

Doing a bit of crazy keeps life spicy.

@Honeypot-x9s 2 года назад

@@stevebot exactly, no point to life without the spice..

@joebutchko2223 2 года назад

Bad ideas always make the best memories.

@RomstarOrion 2 года назад

Age and wisdom doesn't come without youth and stupidity.

@JohnnyTalia 2 года назад

I would just do what I always do - order one from RockAuto and slap it in. Then I'd set the old one aside for disposal and for some reason never end up disposing of it. Old parts retire in my garage. I pulled a cranky starter (pun intended) off a riding mower 20 years ago and it's still out there in the garage. Sold the mower 6 years ago, but still have the starter.

@roughrdr 2 года назад

I'm the same way, I have a shed full of stuff, mostly junk according to better half, but I never know when I might need something from in there.

@jeffjankiewicz5100 2 года назад

Rebuilding starters and alternators today...Pros and cons Cons- finding the parts waiting on delivery all the while the customer has no vehicle. Pros-NONE I used to rebuild my own 20 years ago, but like you said Eric, nobody local carries the parts anymore.

@russellstephan6844 2 года назад

Application specific solutions... Recently, I rebuilt a fuel pump sending unit. The parts stores only carried the full high-priced sending unit -- $450 for OEM. An eBay vendor had just the fuel pump, new ACDelco, for $35. If I ran a commercial shop, I'd go with the full sending-unit. But, as an intense DIY'er, my labor is free, and I know *exactly* the odds of my repair going the distance. I'll replace only the bad spark plug wire, too. But, as a commercial shop? It would be a full tune-up. I was doing some other work in the driveway this past Summer and a younger family member goes, "You're still using air tools? Everyone is going to battery-powered stuff." "Yeah, that's true. But, I wouldn't use such tools enough to make the constant replacement of age-failed batteries worthwhile." "I never thought of it that way..." Apply the correct amount of time, energy, and treasure for the specific situation and requirements at-hand.

@billclinton6040 2 года назад

Same, I hate battery powered tools. Either have to wait for the battery to charge or the battery doesn't hold a charge long enough to be useful. I never had the guts to invest in air tools. That's why I have wired impact guns. Don't have to worry about having a fully charged battery ever.

@russellstephan6844 2 года назад

@@billclinton6040 "I never had the guts to invest in air tools." Garage sales, estate auctions, Craigslist, and FB Marketplace... Oh, and low-ball 15 sellers to get the one steal of a deal. Snapping turtles get so big just by sitting on the bottom of the pond waiting patiently for the world to swim through their mouths.

@tiredoldmechanic1791 2 года назад

Takes me back to the cold winters in the 1970s when it was common for the station I worked at to have over 100 AAA service calls a day. They had one person just answering the phone. As soon as they hung up the phone, it was ringing. If the vehicle wouldn't start they were towed in. Put them on a hoist, hook up a battery charger, heat the oil pan with a torch, drain the 30 weight oil and gasoline from the oil pan, change the filter, put light oil in, start it, park it outside and bring in the next one. Often the spark plugs points and condenser or starters had to be replaced. We didn't have time to repair just replace. We stocked starters. Back then there were only a few starters for Ford GM and Chrysler. It was common to change 10 starters on a -30 day. If things were slow, we might rebuild a starter but when it was busy, just replace it.

@charliefox7206 2 года назад

"....heat the oil pan with a torch,..." what is your location?

@tiredoldmechanic1791 2 года назад

@@charliefox7206 I'm in Northern Wisconsin. Many people wouldn't use multi-grade oils because they cost more. General practice was to use a 30 weight oil in the summer and change to a 20 or 10 in the winter back when the oil was changed every 2,000 miles. Many people didn't get the oil changed in time so they still had 30 weight oil in the winter when the temperatures got to negative 20 or 30 F. That 30 weight oil is pretty much solid at those temperatures so the engine wouldn't turn over easily. When the drain plug was removed the oil wouldn't come out so we heated the oil pan before removing the drain plug. People tended to pump the accelerator before trying to start the car which would flood the engine with gasoline which ended up sitting on top of the oil in the pan. If the drain plug was removed first and a torch was used, the gasoline fumes in the crankcase could ignite which could blow the valve covers off.

@charliefox7206 2 года назад

@@tiredoldmechanic1791 that's is interesting in you area that two grade of oil viscosity would be used. I live in south western Ontario where in the winter can, I say can, be brutal in regards to cold weather. In our local synethic multi grade oil will be used 0W20. My sister in law live in Manitoba. It will be interesting to see what oil viscosity she uses. That for you comments.

@dano336 2 года назад

@@charliefox7206 back 45 years ago, in upstate NY. (a little east of Mr. O)..had a 1965 ford station wagon . the well below zero mornings would be ..drain the oil into a metal pan, put on the stove , pour back into the engine , start the car. early 20's and no money ..so it didn't seem so bad

@charliefox7206 2 года назад

@@dano336 Not so bad it the time. I would hate to tell you what I did with used motor oil. It's good legislation in now place.

@stevensutcliffe533 2 года назад

Had a starter / alternator rebuilding shop up the road for 35 years, great shop. Owner retired and left it to his kid, shop closed in 3 years. Gotta know what you are doing even if you can get the parts.

@Garth2011 2 года назад

Sad...that is the typical next gen...lazy types who prefer going to a job vs. running a business.

@TheFool2cool 2 года назад

@@Garth2011 or the business was failing for years due to modern alternators and starters being different beasts and when the kids took over they saw the old man had run it into the floor and had to close it down.

@spelunkerd 2 года назад

I love the way you quickly made that diagnosis, even so far as checking that ground connection and drop testing with your incandescent test light to look for a fading light. It's amazing that even professionals mess that up, without realizing how easy it is. They think a power probe/multimeter without drop testing is just as good, or they forget the ground, or they don't even consider how they might be fooled if posts were loose or if the neutral safety switch was open. If you can get to the starter connections, testing properly as shown, all those issues will be found.

@s.j.5850 2 года назад

Separates the men from the boys!

@vehcor 2 года назад

Disconnecting the battery takes all the excitement out of this job. lol I agree with all your logic on the Napa (or any other parts store starter). We do the same thing for the same reasons.

@earlestes8649 2 года назад

Yea I used to do a lot of work and not disconnect but with all the electrical stuff anymore it’s not worth it

@next0845 2 года назад

I subscribe to SMA and Vehcor because you both produce very thorough products. Excellent viewing gentlemen, both experts in your own fields!

@earlestes8649 2 года назад

Especially if you short out a board or electronic control

@mattschneider2369 2 года назад

Def cool to see that two of my fave RU-vid gents watch each others content.

@rider547 2 года назад

This was much better than the halftime show! Thanks!

@blakewilliams3152 2 года назад

You are not kidding, mix it up with some paintless dent removal videos

@rodbelding9523 2 года назад

Looks like someone forgot about Dre

@dadtype2339 2 года назад

I remember when Eric used to ask for comments, concerts, and JOKES lol! Great job Eric, thank you!

@fishingmedic1 2 года назад

Love your torque wrench, it clicks just perfectly 🤣🤣🤣

@Hawk1966 2 года назад

I agree, in the olden days we rebuilt, it was easily 25-30% cheaper. Then it stopped being so cheap and like Eric said the warranty difference, when I see your taillights disappear or you replace it and there's a 2 year anytime, anyplace warranty. I'd rather that than the rebuild any day.

@stevelewis9677 2 года назад

You’re right. As a mechanic myself I’d rather just replace it. Even on my own vehicle. Even an easy can be a pain when ya gotta do it more than Once

@raybates3119 2 года назад

You are so right. Kind of like turning rotors and drums. It used to be economical but now everything is made to R&R.

@Hawk1966 2 года назад

@@raybates3119 I remember when they'd turn your rotors 2-3 times before saying that you needed new ones.

@608Iceman 2 года назад

@@Hawk1966 that was true for many years but after the pads became semi-metalic it changed. Semi-metalic pads are constantly resurfacing the rotor providing a optimal stopping surface. The drawback being a reduced life for the rotor but consderably better stoping power and distances. All in all Good trade ithink

@andylucas8262 2 года назад

I do all my own repairs, and I offer a lifetime warranty! If any part on my car fails, while I own it, I will replace it. No questions asked!!!!!

@thecarsectionthecarsection6420 2 года назад

Every one is not a mechanic.

@andylucas8262 2 года назад

@@thecarsectionthecarsection6420 I'm not a mechanic either, I just enjoy working on my own vehicles.

@earlestes8649 2 года назад

Yea I’ve been doing mine every since I’ve been driving, I’m 65 this year and getting so I sometimes hire it done

@scottmorris1254 2 года назад

Yep I work in my own vehicles also and if I can’t Eric gets them

@psdaengr911 2 года назад

@@thecarsectionthecarsection6420 Many mechanics have spouses. The hardest customer to keep pleased is the one who gets their work done "free" .

@steveloux4709 2 года назад

Eric, you remind me of my old shop teacher with some of your sayings: "Let's give it the ol' Arthur Fonzarelli". [Taps starter with hammer. Starter begins smoking and the engine starts.] Ayeeeeee". Classic. :D

@hickorystx 2 года назад

Nice simple diagnosis and repair. Rebuilding starters is more for the DIYer not pros in this day and age. Brings back memories of starter installation with my own GTO and other car over the years. At least this one didn't use shims... ☺

@joealbert7773 2 года назад

When I started turning wrenches we rebuilt everything. However, for a shop like yours or any shop, it really isn't economically feasible. A replacement like NAPA with a warranty is a win for both the shop and the customer. I also have done a lot of starter diagnosis with a hammer.

@B.E.Long.63 2 года назад

I wish all Mechanics went above and beyond like you do by cleaning stuff off before reassembly. God Bless Eric. O and America...

@matthewpeck4016 2 года назад

In my shop, I stand around picking my nose, contemplating cleaning up and organizing so I can finish setting up a shop. Your way wins.

@mejesse809 2 года назад

"Chooch", it's me, "Chong". I had a 75 Pontiac Catalina, pops told me when it didn't start, just hit the starter with a hammer, and it worked. Then I graduated to a 1979 Pontiac Bonneville, what a beauty, spoked chrome wheels, rear wheel quarter wheel covers. I was the talk of the town. I got a '69 Chevy wit a tree96. Looks like she's got an oil leak. The whizzy wheel. Spritz. Napper and Dorman, hand in hand. Mrs. "O".

@dashcamandy2242 2 года назад

I've had, in the past, my starters rebuilt by a family-owned shop with three generations of excellent reputation under their belts. Full teardown and overhaul, windings tested, case cleaned and repainted, a top-notch job every time. And they don't only tackle automotive, they cover marine, construction equipment, vintage tractors...

@s.j.5850 2 года назад

You are one of the lucky ones having found a rebuilding shop that you can trust.

@jamespfitz 2 года назад

Yes, and I've bought a five course dinner for two for $50, but that was in a land called "Long Long Ago" and they do things differently there.

@Troy_Built 2 года назад

I think an even bigger plus is the customer gets their car back the same day and you get your bay back. Always make sure the person that disconnects the battery knows what they are doing. I had to call the fire dept many years ago because I trusted a guy to disconnect a side post battery while I was under the car. The cable fell right back against the terminal and when I put a wrench on that oily mess of a starter it sparked and caught fire.

@cayman9873 2 года назад

I never had a problem.. but i put a shop towel on the positive term

@MrSahdaddy 2 года назад

You said it best Eric...This isn't the 70s. The one part that didn't come with the rebuild kit, is the one that's going to fail 100 miles down the road, and you'll be the first person they call when they are stuck on side of the road!

@markgitomer5404 2 года назад

Used to work in a garage. 1980. We rebuilt starters and alternators. Haven't rebuilt starter or altenator since than. Last altenator I changed was on my Pontiac. Bought a rebuilt alternator. Kept on going. Since than I have worked on military aircraft for 22 years and now medical equipment. I don't even change my own oil and filter anymore. I take my cars to great local garages and let them fix them. So more power to you. Think your channel , troubleshooting, and repairs are great. Thank you.

@hahaha12345678993 2 года назад

who needs super bowl when you have sma

@adventureoflinkmk2 2 года назад

Right?

@jth1987leb 2 года назад

For my personal fleet I give my starters and alternators to a local shop that will rebuild them with same day turn around and a warranty. For customers I just buy the reman for the store. I always make them bench test it in front of me. Been burned too many times

@dafirnz 2 года назад

There's a local guy here that rebuilds starters and alternators, but I've only ever taken random stuff to him. Like a boat starter a couple of years ago. It looked like a generic GM, but for what he charged for a rebuild there was no reason to deal with trying to figure out what it was. Starters and alternators on modern cars are pretty reliable, so my first instinct for "personal" cars is usually just to throw in a used one. The local recyclers (not u-pick lots) are closer than the local parts stores.

@scottnusser6232 Год назад

You and I are probably the only wrenches old enough that have actually rebuilt a starter. Lol. As usual good video.

@GeminiSeven43 2 года назад

No Need to defend your procedures, you need to get the customer back on the road quickly with good service and a new starter with a warranty is better than rebuilding an old component and end up with a comeback when something else fails on the old unit. You can't get the rebuild parts and you don't have the time to thoroughly test the whole unit for soundness even if you wanted to. That is where the rebuild shops come in. You have a line of cars to take care of each day and you do a great job on each one as far as you can. Done Deal. Customer happy and back on the road. You are a Rock Star Eric!!!!

@tomoakhill8825 2 года назад

OMG!!! I do NOT believe it!!! 3:00 I laughed so hard I was red in the face gasping for air. My wife came to see what was wrong. Eric hit it with a hammer and "fixed" it. The canonical joke. "If it is broke, just give it a whack." Thanks so much for this Eric.

@dunebasher1971 2 года назад

Is it really that funny? That's the standard way to try and make a stuck starter motor go. It's totally normal. People who are too cheap to replace a failing starter will keep a hammer in their vehicle just for the purpose of hitting the starter.

@Macmonkey1000 2 года назад

@@dunebasher1971 Yup. Guess if you've never seen it done it must be utterly hilarious though ?

@knockywigglesworth1909 2 года назад

Napper"high quality " rebuild or Advance or O'Reilly.. You gotta love it, great mechanic and a comedian! 100% correct from a shop standpoint & customers you need to have the warranty protection. No question!

@patch8462 2 года назад

OK, I must say it is nice to come across a Chanel that really applies to old 70.s ways and the basics... What can I say about Mrs. O. she is much more than "a hello Babey"

@Spinonemaster 2 года назад

I ain't rebuilding no Pontiac Torrent started with loose 15's ... lol ... back in the day in the 70's we had a local shop that rebuilt starters and alternators ... they did most of the swaps right in the driveway if the weather was decent ... 2 really nice brothers, they were well known and did nice work, they even had free coffee and a TV in the waiting room ... you'd be in and out in 45 minutes with a smile for like $60 bucks ... and a 1 year guarantee ... but yea, a new Naper and peace of mind countrywide, it's a no brainer for sure Eric ... love seeing you clean up those cables and juicing them with FF ... a sign of a thorough, caring mechanic ... and of course, Mrs O did a fantastic job on the assist as usual !

@johnmeyer6537 2 года назад

You got the halftime show beat by a long shot. I loved the oil induced smoke coming off the starter after you hit it. cost over $100 for you to remanufacture. china can do it for under a $1.

@av8tore71 2 года назад

When I went through A&P (Airframe & Powerplant) school instructor taught us how to rebuilt starters & Alternators. Fun fact......General Aviation aircraft use regular AC DELCO alternators which the selling company slaps their own sticker (like Aerotech) on them and then in turn charge the buyer 4 times a regular one would cost. It's all got to do with LIABILITY!!

@stevenkroot31 2 года назад

Most general aviation runs 24 volts which is common with construction equipment I.e. same heavy duty alternators. Local aviation shop had to raise prices when somebody figured out the aviation alternators were cheaper than the AC Delco alternators on their Caterpillar stationary engines.

@billmoran3219 2 года назад

In the eighties I worked at a rebuild shop and we had one customer that we did light aircraft starters and alternators. We did them on the side as you had to be licensed by the FAA, the customer stated that he rebuilt it if ever there was an issue.There was only small things that were done that made them legal for aircraft otherwise they were the same as automotive. Case bolts safety wires. Loc tite or silicon on internal nuts for vibration and internal screens for debris and liquids . Fun times working for that old man, learned a lot. He took over the shop from his father in law who opened the shop in the nineteen twenties. Shop is still there to this day but different owners.

@Garth2011 2 года назад

AKA insurance premiums

@CoreyTibbetts 2 года назад

you are one of a kind mechanic my man keep on trucking

@Thegoobmancometh 2 года назад

Having to explain common sense is ridiculous! But I love the way Eric O does it. I'm here for the commentary as much as the content!

@philmerrifield1163 2 года назад

Correct technique for a junk starter, great video dude love your vids, helps me relax and destress. It's not worth rebuilding them as they're not as reliable as people may think

@strokermaverick 2 года назад

Boy, that Pontiac has a good bit of rust prevention! I was hoping, you would tap that starter. Love your channel. You, work like I do.😀 I love, the torque specs!😃

@dwaynemadsen964 2 года назад

I was a little disappointed at first, but I went back and listened more closely, and I heard him wrong. So, if you thought he was going to tap the starter with his scan tool ...

@andyeckel7195 2 года назад

+1 For a brief moment, I was thinking that is one MASSIVE oil leak and then I realized it was rust prevention. The coverage was great - zero corrosion!!!!

@mikechiodetti4482 2 года назад

The old Pontiac lives for another day!

@jeffbrown3963 Год назад

Polishing the connectors - no shop or dealership does this but this guy treats every vehicle as if it were his. Super conciencous!!! And that's why I subscribed!

@Blain5700 2 года назад

If things continue like they have been in this country, I see rebuild shops coming back in a big way.

@bigpicturethinking5620 2 года назад

Like Cuba.

@craiglyles4755 2 года назад

@@bigpicturethinking5620 Putting Hyundai engines in 50’s GM’s

@PsychoticBedroomRecordings 2 года назад

A warning for anyone who works on their car, BEWARE of aftermarket parts these days, specifically Gates and Dayco. I got the gates serpentine belt tensioner for my 05’ 3.3l caravan, the pulley on it was VISIBLY not perfectly round. I told myself it must be my eyes. Sure enough, installed it, engine visibly shook. Returned and ordered a Dayco one (who made the OEM one from the factory back in 05’) received a REBOXED part from a mystery company (no markings on the part) in a Dayco box. Returned and ordered Dayco again. Received a Dayco part this time. Installed and the belt was CHIRPING/SQUEALING. Being sunday night and no other option, I reinstalled my ORIGINAL tensioner from 2005 with a half dead pulley bearing, instantly no more belt squeal. What I plan to do now is replace just the pulley on my original tensioner, since all that is bad is the bearing. Beware beware beware of aftermarket part. Ive been through 3 alternators before , 3 starters, all bad out of the box. Please people, beware. Edit: Honestly even dealer parts aren’t much better. Bough an OEM radiator cap from the dealer 2 weeks ago, 30$, it’s labelled motorad, installed it on an OEM radiator, leaks straight out of the box, had to double-up the rubber seal using the one from another rad cap just to fill the clearance so it wouldn’t leak. (This is a good trick to use). Unbelievable.

@phister8258 2 года назад

Gates uses china parts for their tensioners and water pumps. They're only good for their belts.

@notajp 2 года назад

I simply replace the bearing in the pulley most times. On my 82 Toyota truck, my 98 Jeep XJ, and our 06 T&C with the 3.3. Just press the bearing out of the pulley and press a new one in. Most of them use a common bearing that is used in a lot of mower deck spindles and I have them on the shelf all the time. My cost on them is less than $5 each.

@PsychoticBedroomRecordings 2 года назад

@@notajp How do you go about pressing out and pressing in the bearings without damaging them? I’ve been trying to press out the bearing from the original tensioner pulley with no luck.

@TonyRule 2 года назад

I just this week did a water pump on my own car - Gates GWP3079. Trouble was, the box contained a GWP2079. It wasn't the only one that was boxed wrong either - I went and checked at another store - same. There are only relatively minor differences but one actually bugged me - the telltale hole for a failed shaft seal is on the TOP of the housing so dirt will get in there and onto the seal much more easily. I didn't actually notice until the pump was on and cooling system refilled. But I gave it a dab of silicone to plug it up. I made a complaint and I'm waiting to hear what they're going to do about it.

@TonyRule 2 года назад

@@PsychoticBedroomRecordings Many are now moulded around the bearing and can't be replaced.

@bobbartholomew85364 2 года назад

Who needs the Super Bowl when you have a South Main Auto video to watch!

@xvxjimboxvx 2 года назад

I love SMA videos. I think the best part is the fact that he uses mostly air tools. It just feels like a car repair video with all that sound of air tools.

@jasoncombs5583 2 года назад

That's quite the rust prevention system they have going on under there.

@dalelangila9274 2 года назад

Well it's the best for the northern rust belt take your used motor oil on every oil change spray the under side with it it's free rust proofing and you get rid of the oil 👍

@MrTexasDan 2 года назад

AOCS - Automatic Oil Change System

@Ramstein414 2 года назад

SLCS Self Lubricating Chassis System. Shout out to CSW.

@andrewwelch5668 2 года назад

The ol' self-lubricating chassis system. Those are a must-have in the Rust Belt

@chadvalliere8697 2 года назад

Self applicating

@aku2dimensional 2 года назад

I've forgotten how Pontiac did things differently when I'd seen the last shot, the Torrent written on the hood liner took me back to those final years of Pontiac. Every model was a biodegradable bucket but at least it wasn't another cookie cut GM with a different badge.

@user-kw5ze5ky5q 2 года назад

Eric O, get some Milwaukee cordless impacts and ratchets. I held off for a long time and swore by my air tools for my 15 years as a technician, but they changed my life. I rarely use the air hose anymore

@dustcommander100 2 года назад

I used to rebuild my own stuff back before the interscreen existed. Broke all my 10mm sockets in one day trying to get a 1988 Dodge Caravan alternator apart - the shaft had a 10mm hex to hold it while loosening the pulley nut. In those days, I had no compressor or air tools. After I got it apart, I found that my bearing supplier could only get one of the bearings in lots of 50 or so - so it wasn't possible for me to get what I needed. I did recently rebuild the generator of a '47 Chevy with parts from the interscreen, but I consider that to be the exception. Oh, I did buy a NAPA reman alternator once that never worked - but they did give me my money back, as they didn't have another! I was surprised and very pleased to get the money back. Went to one of the places I usually avoided and got a good reman there.

@jpack61108 2 года назад

On super bowl Sunday?!?!

@ernmeister54 2 года назад

I could see rebuilding one if you have time and want to learn how it's done. Personally I would only rebuild one if they were pretty hard or too expensive to obtain. Rebuilding at that point might be your only option. I think most customers would rather have you put on a new one so they can have their car back faster. Good demo on troubleshooting a starting problem!

@seanapfelbach2436 2 года назад

I haven’t rebuilt a starter or alt since the early,90’s. There’s just no point anymore. I pray to the rebuilding gods that the one I put on is in good working order. Your doing everything right. 👍

@MARKE911 2 года назад

I'm not a mechanic. If you can do it, I'd rather pay you for my peace of mind that I don't make things worse. Great video.

@brandonrhodes6320 2 года назад

Agreed no need to rebuild unless its an personal older model vehicle and you got the time

@FeralPreacher 2 года назад

DIY warranties are 5 years or the end of the driveway, whichever comes first. Thanks for sharing

@MrOnemanop 2 года назад

When I was in my 20's bringing back cars from Arizona, Pennsylvania and West Virginia to S.W. Ontario, I actually had with me starter and Alternator rebuild kits. Never needed them, but they provided low cost peace of mind. My first replacement (used/junkyard) alternator cost me $13.00. But now? 30-40 years later, it's a "One and done" Lifetime warranty if I can get it situation for me. I still fix stuff in the driveway if I feel like it- radiators, brakes, coils, plugs, mirrors, headlights. Mostly for self fulfilment or to encourage my son. I still enjoy driving a well used car (450,000Kms on my bought new 2002 Envoy) but I also spent $4000.00 on the old truck this last year, Exhaust, front end, a little rust repair. I have great local talent, and I'm happy to spend my money locally, and support good people. (Much like yourself Eric, and family)

@jeremymurphy7320 2 года назад

I totally agree with your rebuild vs no rebuild opinion (and yes, I could rebuild a starter, it's not a complicated deal). I wouldn't rebuild it, and never have rebuilt a starter of my own, and would just go buy a new / reman unit and swap it out. If I had a car that had a super expensive starter, I'd certainly consider it but in something like a Pontiac Torrent or my own Ford Fusion, nope...it's getting a shiny clean one from a box.

@I-watch-at-2x 2 года назад

That's twice in a video I found it to be "shocking"! Excellent job as always Mr O, thank you

@edstoneghost8475 2 года назад

Since I'm a DYI'er I usually go the repair rather than replace route. My labor is free except for the time I invest in the project. I can understand it would be more economical for a business to replace the part instead. You did good in this repair.

@psdaengr911 2 года назад

Replacing a starter is repairing a car instead of replacing a car. Repairing a stripped screw is a waste of time. Youu need kniw where to draw the line.

@amak1131 2 года назад

@@psdaengr911 That's not a good comparison as a starter is a wear item.

@billc7211 2 года назад

Even though I diy this stuff, I still need my car back on the road. So, for stuff like this, lifetime warranted parts for me from local auto parts store.

@pdw7783 2 года назад

I like to rebuild stuff if possible, but i have the advantage i don’t have a garage shop and just do It as a hobby. I enjoy the channel. Learned a lot of it . Thanks and keep up the Good work. Best regards from the Netherlands

@bw6078 2 года назад

I'm feeling a little silly for not having one of those hood prop clamps. Fantastic idea. It leaves the engine area "prop rod free" haha. Just like the old days. Thanks for sharing.

@shaunyballz 2 года назад

Heck ya... on board undercoating system.

@f.k.burnham8491 2 года назад

I concur with Eric. I worked in the electronics industry for many decades. It used to be cheaper to rebuild than to replace with new/rebuilt, but now like Eric stated, parts are hard to find. The time to chase parts, disassemble and re-assemble generally will take longer and is more labor intensive than just getting a replacement . I did rebuild a lot of circuit boards and transformers in the day. (Yes, you used to be able to rebuild transformers, specifically the H. output ones). I sure wished the last company I worked for had Eric's view that time is money, and you get a warranty with a rebuilt part.

@Garth2011 2 года назад

It's all related to the cost of doing business these days. Work comp, shop insurance, utility bills, income taxes, "hazardous" waste fees, business fees, more fees for the city, the state and the feds, more fees here and there etc. to the point that shops have up raise up their labor charges to cover all of the larceny that occurs by being in business. 1 hour of labor is likely twice to three times the cost of a new starter.

@davidnull5590 2 года назад

Long, long ago starters for MOPAR were very unreliable, my dad, uncles and sister had a few Chryslers, Dodges and Plymouths - 1967 to around 1978 383 ci, 400, 440 - he carried two or three spare starters in the trunk of every car - it sounds crazy, but they all broke without warning, I became proficient at changing starter quickly in the parking lot wherever the car broke, no jack needed (I was skinny) Dad went to Andy at the neighborhood junk yard and bought some more out of wrecked Mopar cars (OEM parts) The other item every Mopar owner had to carry around were spare voltage regulators (they mounted on the firewall) I never understood this Mopar madness. As a Toyota owner this story sounds like madness.

@ProudBostonian 2 года назад

Who gives a damn about the “super bowl” I’m too busy watch SMA with Mr. and the VERY beautiful/gorgeous Mrs. O!!!

@user-yw6ei8yt4q 2 года назад

Perfect timing on this vid. A million times better then SB halftime show that I would not have watched anyway. They didn't have a good one since The Who. Thanks

@John-dp3ln 2 года назад

Looks like the original oil filter too!

@lukem7203 2 года назад

Eric needs to sell them on a oil change for sure!

@KJ-kw7gh 2 года назад

Everybody missing the part where he says it’s just been sprayed with undercoating everywhere.

@lukem7203 2 года назад

@@KJ-kw7gh Undercoating like oil leaking everywhere? lol

@KJ-kw7gh 2 года назад

@@lukem7203 Yeah, like he’s showed a thousand times, and he even says in the video, undercoating in his area only works if it s put on frickin everything. And yes, they use an oil based undercoating there. Watch some of his older videos.

@lukem7203 2 года назад

@@KJ-kw7gh I live in the rust belt too and very familiar with old oil used for under coating. That filter is just plain crusty like been on there a long time. If you look at the video you'll also see clean newer looking power steering lines that have not been coated

@thomasherring6640 2 года назад

I have, in the past, rebuilt alternators, starters, and even power steering pumps for myself, but much like you say, if you buy the thing, even from Auto Zone, you get that limited lifetime warranty which gives you a free replacement if it should ever fail. Even when the parts are not fantastic, it is hard to argue with the warranty.

@erikgiggey4783 2 года назад

had the starter replaced in the old pony with the big 4.0 i was stupid and kept thinking it was the battery as it always started ok in the not super cold, well after a storm i went to move it and the starter spun but wouldnt engage the flywheel/flexplate. my mechanic got it replaced a couple days later now she cranks over even at -5f like it was brand new with a fresh battery. well worth having it replaced. i always go to the same shop they earned my loyalty, one example is less than a year after having the alternator replaced the new one puked, within 24 hours it was replaced no cost to me. there are many instances where he has gone out of his way to help.

@paulwicklund5044 2 года назад

Chrysler slant six was the easiest starter to replace.

@rickrogers2649 2 года назад

I agree. You could R&R one of those in you Sunday goin to church clothes. They were so easy to change you almost hoped they would go bad but they never did.😁

@CharlesAndCars 2 года назад

I view it like complete struts (assembled) vs strut and removing replacing coils/mounts. Unless there's a specific strut that you want that doesn't come as preassembled unit. The additional cost of the complete unit is offset by the time to swap everything over and everything is new.

@paullenzen2562 2 года назад

And, your not defusing and re-arming a bomb. 😲😲

@thinman8621 2 года назад

Seems like the quick strut springs are not always well calibrated to the vehicle and the vehicle handling is sometimes compromised.

@craigbrown7483 2 года назад

Tried to get a rebuild kit for an alternator back in 1983. The chain auto parts store at the time laughed at me. Tried to sell me a replacement for 110 dollars with a core charge. The money is in selling the complete part. Not repairs. Got the parts shipped to me, rebuilt it myself for 20 dollars. Thats 1983 dollars. Probably 50 bucks now. Also learned a valuable lesson about the diode plates in said alternator. In 2022, I would pay for the rebuilt or new alternator or starter and for the labor to have it installed. That lesson about the diode plates is partly the reason why.

@stealthg35infiniti94 2 года назад

You're absolutely correct! Now a days time is money. Even Ivan@PHAD will not fix something that is not cost effective. Exceptions ofcourse exist such as replacement is not available or extremely expensive. You got to use your best judgment in each situation.

@adambatko4773 2 года назад

It's not always about the price. Sometimes it's about the value built into the new part over the "rebuilt" part

@routeoneauto 2 года назад

That is a good point also. I can re-build Starter and Alternators, but I can't (WON'T) warranty them for the life of the vehicle. It's the same with an Engine, Jasper will have one in front of the vehicle the nest day with a 3 year 100,000 mile warranty. I won't even try to compete, the jasper is less than I can get the parts and pay the Machine shop.

@lexteakmialoki5544 2 года назад

I will aspire, for probably an eternity to one day have a torque wrench as accurate as the legendary SMA's. You Sir are simply the best. Rock On....

@Leroys_Stuff 2 года назад

Mine came as I aged my knuckles at 18 elbow pops at 35 shoulder at 70 foot pounds most days

@richfjr1300 2 года назад

haha! love that warranty with the rebuild kit 'its in your tail lights, once i don't see 'em? that's the end of your warranty!'

@tomlewis3658 2 года назад

I'm just a DIY'er, but install a new or rebuilt starter is my vote, and what I have done a few times over the years for starters & alternators on my own cars. So for me, it's 3 thumbs up for this video, 1 for the content, another for the hand waving fancy scan tools, and another for supplying the "click" sound, so that we know everything is torqued to factory spec, even the screws that hold the plastic battery cover in place.

@douglasthompson2740 2 года назад

Today's automotive starters that I am familiar with are of a non sealed variety. This means the schmoo like your current patient's will get inside and eventually back in the windings mixed with carbon from the brushes. So to do a good rebuild you have to use some kind of solvent which if it can rinse the schmoo is probably strong enough to damage the insulation on the windings. Windings in a modern starter are hardly of a robust nature. I swear some must be wound with #28 conductors. To clean it gently takes time as well as the rest of the r and r leaving you with a questionable product in the end. So it is just a better choice to spring for a seventy dollar starter and not even have to worry about the core. Now this whole equation changes if you are in the marine world, or heavy equipment where a badge will increase the parts price tenfold. If you are into relics of the above categories well your choices are limited shall we say.

@phillipross3365 2 года назад

When it started I saw a puff of smoke come out of the starter. It mY have been a direct short internally as there's oil all around and after starting the smoke stopped.

@drucifer_too 2 года назад

Can't let the magic smoke out.

@throttlebottle5906 2 года назад

99% chance the brushes are worn down to nothing with brush holder hitting the commutator, banging them jars it enough to make contact and take off again. it may or may not start again without being hit, maybe once to dozens of times. the commutator may be eaten up if the brush tension and conduction has been poor for a long time, but it could ok with a light polishing and new brushes.

@leecarroll1817 2 года назад

From a shop point of view your method obviously makes the most sense, if you are a DIY type and have a place to work on it, rebuild the damn thing. As you said rebuild kits are no longer and like me, old and living in the past. Back when I had brushes, bushings

@splatmanhooha4264 2 года назад

Completely agree, if you do it at home, where labour is free, have a go at a rebuild, but shops need to put something on that they are 100% happy with and that they know is reliable for many years.

@thepaperboy9009 2 года назад

Awesome and satisfying watching you work; actually prefer the simple or "classic" jobs. 🤣 Something I could actually take on without anxiety. No point waiting for rebuild kit , especially when you need the car and a rebuilt or new is readily available the same day with the long warranty. 👍👍👍 Is that oil coating part of a leaky cam cover?

@300DBenz 2 года назад

It’s a GM 3400 V6.......everything is leaking.

@frazerguest2864 2 года назад

Jeez, how many years is it since that oil filter was last changed?

@guesswho9742 Год назад

As a senior tech, I have no proplem rebuilding my own stuff, but for the normal DIY guy, I don't recommend it. Without having the knowledge of bushing specs and other things like the correct tools, a rebuild could become a night mare, not a solution. Keep up the videos Eric.

@emcque 2 года назад

My son in law called about his 2003 Park Avenue needing a starter. Same setup and super easy even on my back in his gravel parking lot. Great video as usual. Screw rebuilding them, though. Like you said, it's not the 70's.

@Guysm1l3y 2 года назад

Percussive maintenance: 60% of the time it works every time.

@toxichank6960 2 года назад

The practice of physical chemistry.

@9tomato9 2 года назад

As my mother used to say, "hit it with a hammer"!

@99andrianmonk 2 года назад

I agree with your recommendation Eric. However I do have a question. You mentioned the two warranty from Napa and they would pay for repairs if the starter broke down within two years. Yet your previous video was regarding a Toyota you put a drive shaft in about a year ago that the carrier bearing went bad and Napa won't stand behind it since it no longer was sourcing drive shafts from the same supplier. You had to go to bat for your customer with Dorman to get the drive shaft covered. So really how good is Napa's warranty?

@sicily6740 2 года назад

I believe the issue was that both NAPA and Dorman were out of stock on the drive shaft being replaced. Eric knew somebody at Dorman, explained the situation, and the guy at Dorman got the company to expedite getting a new one. It sounded to me like NAPA would warrant the bad drive shaft but didn't have one to replace it.

@routeoneauto 2 года назад

@@sicily6740 We will never know the whole story, but my NAPA outside sales Rep gets the ball rolling for me, and sometimes has to push the ball back into my court and put me in direct contact with the vendor to finalize the transaction, sometimes that involves providing invoice copies, and signed Repair Orders.

@r3dhorse 2 года назад

The company that originally made it didn't exist anymore or was swallowed up by Dorman.

@routeoneauto 2 года назад

As an Autocare, I.ll bet, NAPA will stand good for a labor claim. I’m pretty sure that originates in the store, but Corporate HQ issues the account credit. It costs us a fair chunk of change to become eligible (In Certifications), along with a substantial Subscription Fee to offer that security.

@m3rdpwr 2 года назад

I remember spending somewhere between ten and fifteen bucks for a rebuild kit for the GM alternators. Cheap and easy.

@machintelligence 2 года назад

I have replaced many starters on Ford F series trucks and have found that I could economically rebuild them and always kept a spare on hand. The 460 V 8 was notorious for having the Bendix drive fail every two years or so. Fortunately they were easy to replace. I did one in a Taco Bell parking lot and one at the local library. The solenoid was on the firewall, so two bolts and one electrical connection (which was not energized unless the solenoid was closed) and you were good to go.

@walterpchrysler9446 2 года назад

Can’t stop looking at that oil filter and wondering how many years has it been since that filter been changed. As far as the starter, is it cost effective to have it rebuilt when you can buy one with a warranty. Sometimes the level of difficulty in removing the starter your better off with a new one.

@KJ-kw7gh 2 года назад

He said the cars been undercoat treated. Rust belt precautions. They literally spray the shmoo on everything.

@lukem7203 2 года назад

@@KJ-kw7gh Might be but that oil filter is just plain crusty like been on there a long time

@KJ-kw7gh 2 года назад

@@lukem7203 nevermind

@DaveSomething 2 года назад

self-lubricating chassis may have helped the starter die, but hey, it's not rusty!

@tommussington8330 2 года назад

One quart in the crankcase per gas tank full 🙃

@ApexHotShot Год назад

I just found this gem. The rebuild or replace debate may never be resolved. But for those who need a “fix” to scratch their rebuild itch, I suggest they take a tip from another SMA video and Eric O. by finding and watching that … Pakistani Truck Repair … RU-vid channel. I saw one where a guy in sandals and a robe thing stripped one down to the winding laminations, even rewound the coil and eventually got a working starter. Now That is rebuilding a starter.

@peterallen4331 2 года назад

The Auto industry is like the I.T. industry that I am in, once a laptop is out of warranty unless it was a top range unit in the first place it wont be worth fixing and you are better to buy a new unit. I tell people that if they have a 10 year old that wants to have a go for nothing that's the only way it is worth fixing this stuff. Great Video as always.