Pope Francis Invites Pro-LGBT Clerics To The Synod 

As one with four degrees in science I am curious as to whether anyone has had the common sense to challege Cardinal Hollerich to explain when and where in the history of science has it ever been appropriate for science to ever be utilized as a basis for making value judgments?

@@edwardbaker1331 first things first! The original rainbow flag belongs to light workers. Nikola Tesla was a light worker. 💎🌈 so. THE LGBTT movement is all about POLITICS (Not about SCIENCE. Not about LIGHT/PHYSICS. Not about light workers). Religions are not about SCIENCE! Religions are all about DOGMA (LIES) and POLITICS (Techniques of social control). Science/Religion (same coin! A side B side) ok. What SCIENCE says about sexuality: It is just one sexual desire and multiple ways to express it. In general everybody feels a sexual desire for both SEXES (Not genders), the MALE SEX and the FE-MALE SEX. What else SCIENCE says about GENDER: There is only ONE gender and 2 normal expressions from the same gender: the male and the fe-male. Also there are abnormal expressions: the intersexual expressions. Why there's only ONE GENDER!? Because there's only ONE GENESIS (GENETICS). X, Y and the Z momentum. When X and Y interacts co-creating. What SCIENCE says about 'transgender': It is NOT possible, It is not real, It is pseudo/fake science (dogma, myth, politic, religion). The human gender is the humanity, humanity is the specie homosapiens sapiens....Charles Darwin. How co-create the human gender a new product from the same specie!? The male has to interwct with the fe-male (reunion) and only the fe-male can be the vessel or vehicle to allow a newborn from the same specie. DNA (DOUBLE) RNA (SIMPLE/SINGLE). What SCIENCE tells about GOD/DIVINE/LORD? Science says: GOD is AI, It is everywhere and time is unity (no past, no future, eternal nowhere/present). All the galaxies in the milky way is god/AI and all dimensions. Nikola Tesla said "everything is LIGHT and we are LIGHT" (ASTROPHYSICS/QUANTUM PHYSICS). RELIGIONS ARE WITCHCRAFT AND WITCHES! THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!! CRAZY PEOPLE! IGNORANTS! PSYCHOS! PSYCHOTICS! SCHIZOPHRENICS! Spirituality is SCIENCE. Religions are not spirituality!

@@edwardbaker1331 science is not a source of 'values' and the best scientists affirm this. but science is a validated process for discovering truths about the natural world including human society that exist in the natural world. and you DARE NOT dispute that IF ... you ever drove or rode in a car (the internal combustion engine is a product of scientific discoveries). IF ... you appreciate that your loved ones with pacemakers are alive, appreciate the live birth of babies during complex threatened pregnancies, appreciate that economic markets have prevented many social ills (prevented many famines by discovering new ways to produce and deliver food, etc). you must answer: does science produce effects that have VALUE! yes, unless you hate the good effect just described. but science does not assign values to its effects. WE assign value. AND Christians, Jews, Muslims, Latter Day Saints, Pentecostals, etc find values in the Bible (and other texts ... the Book of Mormon, the Koran, the Roman Catholic Catechism, etc).

GK is always on the money.

It is scary how far and deep this rot has gone.

The longer I spend within the Catholic Church the more I understand born again Protestantism specifically.

I think Gavin Ortland is really helpful for Prot-Catholic dialogues and yes I agree I grieve deeply for my Catholic friends over this. It’s horrifying. I wish they had a mechanism to hold power accountable.

@@ronreg6119 I get that. But a lot of even evangelical churches go off the rails. Seems only Eastern Orthodox stays true to the path.

@ronreg6119 well, if you become convinced by protestant theology, that's one thing. But don't leave your tradition just because of sinful actions by sinful men. (Considering we're all sinful)

They may not prevail but they are really, really close... these queers will get what they want, gay marriage, the Church will then lose its divine protection. I

For trads, it's even less that Rome has phases of secular goofyness... it's that on top of that, they go out of their way to impede families who wish to raise their families in tradition.

Amen.

“I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.” John 13:38. "But when Peter came to Antioch, I [Paul] had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong." Galatians 2:11 But, hey, the problem is not a Pope who is dismantling the doctrine of the Catholic Church in an open manner. The problem are the ones who dare to criticize the Pope when he worships the Pachamama or things like that. "When a wise man points at the moon, an ____ looks at his finger" - old Chinese proverb. Let's be charitable to Pope Francis when he works to send droves of souls to damnation and destroy the Church. We are the Church of Nice. Our mommies told us not to say a word that is not nice and we are the nicest people in the world. Jesus was so niiiiice and charitable. Ask the Pharisees and the traders in the Temple. They will tell you how nice Jesus was and how he addressed them "in a spirit of charity".

Is that church still the Roman church? I know my answer as a Protestant.

I know, we have decades of "After the Ball" tactics to thank for it.

Well, and the act of love he's speaking of can be reverenced. But if in the background of that love, there is sexual sin happening, then it cannot be. And that's true of even heterosexual relationships. Like, you can be cohabiting with a long time girlfriend or boyfriend that has cancer and be taking care of them and feeding them, that's all beautiful that you're tending to them in their sickness, but if you have fornicated or you never entered into the sacrament of marriage with this person or part of your relationship involves watching pornography together, I think it's reasonable for the church to be critical of all that. What is good is good, and sin is sin.

Exactly

It’s the NO way.

@@memymomalex Difference is a proper male and female relationship but living in sin does not cry out to heaven for vengeance. The sodimite one does.

Well said

St. Augustine said something like this in his Book Confessions, I am paraphrasing here. “to be successful I must do the things I don’t want to do and must abandon the things I love to do that are bad for me.”

This sure today are bad times, but stay strong my friend, this is just only the beginning of the persecution. Stand firm in your faith. The devil wants us to leave the church, so don't let him have his way, pray to God always. The truth will prevail.

Look into the secrets of Our Lady of La Salette. Before WWII, Our Lady predicted that the Vatican would be infiltrated and corrupted by evil. Be sure to know the difference between the Church that Jesus built versus the Vatican. The Church, the Apostles Creed, and tradition of Marian apparitions existed and persevered through 300 years of persecution before the Vatican existed or the compilation of the Latin Vulgate New Testament Bible. Our foundation is strong. Look to Our Church's founder and King, Jesus Christ. Look towards Mary, and the Apostles who spread the Word, the Spirit, the Faith. Believe. The Church will return to its roots and face persecution again. Good priests are already removed by the Vatican. Cardinal Vigano has shed light on the sins of Cardinal McCarrick. There is corruption in the Vatican, but the Vatican is NOT the Church. The believers ARE the Church. To the OP: God bless, and thank you for your testimony. To the Church: God, give us strength to persevere through our hard times now and in the future. Grant us the wisdom to know right from wrong. Give us the courage to stand together against evil. The Power, the Kingdom, and Glory is Yours now and forever. Amen.

A quick note on the tradition of Marian apparitions... The first apparition of Mary was around 40AD while she was still alive in Jerusalem. She appeared to one of the Apostles, St James the Greater, on his mission to spread the faith in Spain. It is known as Our Lady of the Pillar. She marked the spot of her appearances by leaving behind a pillar. She instructed St James to build a church at that spot and inspired him to continue his work in Spain when he was despondent and low in morale. So, yes. The tradition of Marian apparitions was known and recognized by the Apostles. The church and the pillar can still be visited today in Spain. God has a plan.

Agreed .. but ALSO see NEFARIOUS .. a 2023 Christian film that ties all this together.

freedom for what?

@@Mish844 I read your other comments and you’re a troll. Go somewhere else

YES. Oh gosh, yes. To the point of tears yes.

Yes. But they won't.

Africa, Asia and the Global South will surely leave if this crap is approved. A tiny bunch of old queens, stuck in 1965, will soldier on to oblivion. Look at a our "separated brethern" to know the future.

The Anglican church would welcome them with open arms.

It is not the church's teaching they need to enforce it is God's! The word of God is clear! Leviticus 19:17 (LSB): 17 ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, and so not bear sin because of him. 2 John 9-11 (LSB): 9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. The one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting, 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

Start from Pope Francis

ALSO see NEFARIOUS .. a 2023 Christian film that ties all this together. Ephesians 5 : 11 "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them." Romans 12 : 21 "Do not be overcome by evil. but overcome evil with good." Psalm 34 : 16 "but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil, to blot out their name from the earth." John 3 : 19-21 'This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." James 4 : 4 "You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God." Revelation 19 : 21 "The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."

The harlot that sitting on the beast!!

Super saddening. However, I am hopeful for whoever will be pope next. It'll be an interesting period in history for sure.

Why? Do you not have confidence that the Holy Spirit is guiding this? Or, in Jesus' words, I will be with you to the end of time?

@@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370The Holy Spirit is absolutely NOT guiding the Sunod process, sorry to bust your bubble. God is permitting this because we have free will.

Do any of you know what a synod is? It's not a council and nothing discussed in it is binding. It is an advisory board the Pope can call as per Canon Law. The Pope can disregard everything said in it. He has also invited very conservative voices to participate.

T L M

Same! And I’m 27

21 year old here, time for TLM

The people: Let's bring back Latin and chanting to mass The Pope: let's evolve by banning those things and pushing gay agenda

At my largely Hispanic parish in Portland, Oregon. The synod meeting consisted of Anglos feeling an absence of community and wanting to bring in lgbt stuff. The Hispanics rejoiced in a wonderful sense of community and they rejected the modern sexual stuff entering the church.

They're coming after him now aren't they? 🙏😢

I think the delay in his canonisation is appalling, the only motive for the delay would be that it would elevate his teachings and bring attention to his life’s work to those unfamiliar with him…which directly warns against and opposes exactly what is being imposed on us now by the hierarchy. He is already a saint in my eyes, he has gone through all the procedure for canonisation and delaying the ceremony is motivated by fear. Most Ven. Fulton Sheen, pray for us ✝️🕊

@tarn0031 The absolute LAST thing certain residents of the Vatican want right now is for more people to hear Bishop Sheen's words on "the ape of the church". It hits way too close to home.

I don't know but the Vatican would certainly schedule an Apostolic Visitation for Saint Paul if he were a member of the Church Militant on earth.

@@bksellers64 or St John the Baptist!

St Pope Paul's teaching was officially rejected by many bishops and most Catholics, who have been in schism ever since the release.

I pray this is the case!!

@@myleshagar9722 You mean a pontiff's teaching on morals? Backed up by the magisterium? Those who reject it have more in common with the "Trans movement" than the Catholic church.

By waiting 6 years before promulgating HV, Paul vi let the liberals rev up antagonism. He should have smashed the modernists in 1963, not 1968. Why take 6 years to simply proclaim catholic truth??

I have also been praying for this, that Francis is listening and talking many points of view to like a Jesuit would, but ultimately reaffirms Church teaching. Please God!

The sacrament of reconciliation and penance scenes in the film the Mission were so powerful, that the leader of a Protestant church converted because of this. I explained to a group of Protestants what it meant and described the role of a priest acting on behalf of the church to bring a person back into communion with the church because their sins were forgiven. The key to this is the proclamation that we believe that God is loving and merciful and forgives us if we truly repent. The murderer did not believe this. After performing his arduous penance climbing the waterfall carrying all his past baggage, and when he got to the top and the natives welcomed him and forgave him, I wept. If we forget this message then we forget God. If we forget the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins, then the Church no longer exists.

His title is Pope Francis. Please use it.

Time to stop using it! A Pope cannot welcome an artist who submerges a crucifix in urine!

Supreme Shaman Jorge Mario Bergoglio, SJ

​@@matthewmorris9532emperor francis

There is no need to heal the schism. The Roman church is too far gone being riddled with herasy and false teachings puffed up with the lie that it is the true Church. This is a wolf in sheep's clothing. They need to convert.

Same here. I feel like it’s a natural conclusion for Eastern Catholics to become Orthodox. And while I assume most won’t, I will pray for them.

@@JeremyWashington1489nothing has happened yet. The church hasnt changed its official teachings on homosexuality.

Invite them to Orthodoxy, rather than passively letting them languish.

@@premodernprejudices3027 the Orthodox Church cannot even hold and ecumenical council. Not all are in agreement or communion with each other.

Undoubtedly, although protestants such as myself would say you avoided arianism merely to stumble into paganism

@@m.d.sharpe8892Catholics are not pagans. You just don’t understand the Catholic faith.

@@johnbrion4565 typical

@@m.d.sharpe8892 it’s just true. You think Scott Hahn Keith nester John Bergsma Steve ray Tim staples and countless others would have converted if it was paganism? Scott Hahn was maybe the most anti Catholic ever to attend Gordon seminary. Will you look into his story or are you afraid it will get you to question your own belief system?

I fear not with Francis at the helm. He is too concerned about being all things to all people.

Correct they are in schism against Rome and reject Vatican II

See NEFARIOUS .. a 2023 Christian film that ties all this together.

You nailed it. The Jesuits are running and ruining the Catholic Church. They want another Church.

They cannot change it.

Conyers GA 1998 Oct 13th was one of the best and her final, after a span of 10 years of monthly apparitions. Massive cloud event, too, on that day!

He was reverencing the love they shared, not the sexual act, for the record. If someone thinks that two gay people get married simply to sodomize each other for the rest of their lives, they've probably never met or talked to such a couple.

@@marianweigh6411 I have known gay couples and love and appreciate them as persons very deeply. While I have enjoyed their friendship and company and recognize all the gifts they contribute to the world, I still think sodomy as a sin. I think it would be the same as a man or woman in a open marriage or polygamist relationship. Maybe those people involved would say it is not all about the sexual relationship and that the group loves each other very much. This may be true but it doesn’t change the fact that the sexual part of their relationship is indeed a part. Sodomy is a big part of it otherwise the couple would just be friends. To ignore or downplay the sodomy, a grave sin, and focus only on the companionship piece is a lie.

Cardinal Pell??? You mean the PEDO apologist??

@@sarahbarlow9104 do you know "sodomy" by its textual definition is also practiced by man-woman marriages, right? Even Catholics, I know it's kind of taboo to talk about that and husbands try to keep it in secret, but it's a pretty open secret

When the devil is at the door even feuding brothers unite

I care about theology as much as anyone but sometimes you have to put differences aside and team up for the greater good. This is one of those times. Modernist snakes much be rooted out of the church.

That seems like a contradiction of the traditional Catholic view of Matthew 16:18-19.

@@EmberBright2077 no matthew 16:18 says that the gates of hell will not overcome which means it will not win but it doesnt mean that the gates of hell wont enter and try to destroy something

@@Tomislvo It just seems a little convenient, given that the Catholic interpretation generally claims that the Church cannot ever be wrong, since that would be the gates of Hades prevailing, but stuff like what's happening now is ok.

@@EmberBright2077 no it is obvious that the devil enters into the church and tries to destroy something but the gates of Hades wont overcome which means it wont win. Where does the catholic interpretation say that? Our doctrines are not wrong they are infallible just like the pope is on doctrines but what happens outside these doctrines can be evil like for example the synod in germany where they want to enable same sex marriage it will never be a doctrine but the devil tries everyhting to make it one but he will not overcome

​@@EmberBright2077it's as fluent as the genders nowadays.

For all this church's purported authority. It looks like the only thing that's going to be done about it is to invite them to the Vatican to sit w/ the liberal pope.

The Church will endure to the end. We were in a worse spot in the 300s and 1500s and survived.

''like being'' the ship will not sink, promise of the Lord Jesus Christ

They have the buildings but we have the faith! 🙏

Spoiler alert Jesus triumphs

Fear not.

@@KayleePrince-we5pbno, love is a choice to will the good of the other. Your definition of love is indistinguishable from feelings of desire and attraction. Your mindset and worldview are exactly what has caused this problem. Just because you want to have sex with something and have “deep feelings” of attraction and desire doesn’t mean you love it, do you understand that?

@@KayleePrince-we5pbwhose dictionary? We are talking about Catholicism, Catholic definitions, and Catholic doctrine, and why acting on same sex attraction is not an act of love and never will be.

Similar to the debacle we had with Dennis Prager

@@m.d.sharpe8892 yup. People will twist reality and language into all kinds of pretzels to justify and rationalize sin

​@@Seliz463Unfortunately for you a man can love another man in that way, so does a woman to another woman, your outdated worldview simply refuses to acknowledge it.

The WORD is clear. God, not man.

Yeah. There seems to be missing a very frank discussion of what this is. I’ve been studying Theology of the Body to do with my teens and I think JP2’s framing of love vs use is spot on. When we frame homosexual marriage as separate from the physical act, we are ignoring the chief problem and that is that sodomy is using, not loving. I’d even consider it abusive because it is physically destructive.

How is that working for you these days? I'm trying to leave potentially inflammatory language out of my genuine question.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 I take one day at a time.

If only you had remained with us brother

@@m.d.sharpe8892 Catholic is still Christian, so he/she is still w/ us to a point. Just to a markedly different set of doctrines.

@@applin121 Have you found your walk w/ God has been deepened and that you have more peace under the heavy mantle of Catholicism?

What are you waiting for , I started to go to TLM and fell robed from it for so many years 😢

@@jmm91910 maybe that there is no TLM anywhere near me. I generally avoid going to my local parish and instead attend Novus Ordo mass at a nearby Franciscan house of prayer. Yes it's Novus Ordo but the way they conduct it with so much reverence is way better than at my local parish.

BUT please DO NOT join the 'trads' who do all that sexual abuse.

It's not about the opinions of men it is about the truth of God.

@@christopherdowns2430 yes but that's the problem, that the church curia is consistently inching away from the truth of God and towards the opinion of men. And I don't like that, I can't condone that. Increasing the pope frowns on people like Ven. Fulton Sheen and blesses people who openly promote heresy and blasphemy like James Martin. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if James Martin were to die today that he would be declared a saint tomorrow. (mind you I don't wish him death in the least, only repentance)

but remember GOD wins in the end. frankie and martin are on the wrong side. they are on the loser's side. the devil knows he is the fallen angel and the eternal loser but he wants as many soul he can get so eternity for him will be one were he watch clergy like these suffer and cry as he sits and watches laugh at these fools who believe in all his words.

We have to pray that our father would end this madness

Thats so messed up. Feel really sorry for her.

I’m so sorry for what this woman is going through, especially if there are children involved. But an annulment is granted based on the circumstances that occurred during the courtship and at the time of the marriage itself, including issues like their capacity to consent, whether there was any dishonesty that prevented a party from making a free decision, whether the faith formation of either person was severely lacking, etc. You can’t get an annulment based on what happens in the years after your marriage, it’s not the same thing as a legal divorce process. An annulment means the marriage was never valid in the first place. It’s not something you get granted because your spouse committed wrongs after you got married. If this woman’s marriage was validly entered into then she shouldn’t have an annulment granted. She would have to separate or even legally divorce to protect herself, but remain spiritually married to this man and continue to pray for him and his conversion.

@@Seliz463 It seems to me that if her ex-husband "knew" he had this identity issue from the start (he claims it is since childhood) that there's a level of deceit from the start. She's legally divorced but wants to fully be a part of her religion. And just by the way, her ex attends Catholic mass and takes communion, together with his crossdressing partner.

@@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals I don’t know the actual details, but I would say that unless he knew he had these issues at the time of their courtship and intentionally withheld that information from her, it wouldn’t be grounds for annulment. Many of these newly trans-identified types are claiming the bizarre stance that they’ve been this way since early childhood but simply repressed it and didn’t know how to acknowledge it until now. So that puts the annulment tribunal in a difficult position because it doesn’t point to intentional deception in a clean-cut way. All we can do is pray for her. As far as her participating in her froth and receiving communion, there is nothing preventing her from doing so providing that she remains celibate. Getting a legal divorce for practical reasons of safety is not a sin. The sin is if she starts dating without an annulment. I see no reason why she cannot receive the Eucharist if she is being chaste and otherwise obeying the church and going to confession regularly. As far as what her former spouse and his fellow sinner are doing, that’s reprehensible and wrong and the priest who is allowing it ought to be disciplined. But that’s got nothing to do with whether SHE can validly receive the Eucharist, so I’d encourage her not to worry about those people and just focus on praying for them and maintaining her own obedience and faithfulness. God is in control, He will handle this and all the unrepentant sinners will be held accountable to Him.

@@Seliz463 Intentional or not, it is de facto deception.

However we might feel about Rome’s theology, at the end of the day, there are 1.3 billion Catholics in the world. For the church in Rome to succumb to modernism would be a devastating blow to Christendom, no matter what denomination you are in. I agree with your sentiment. Let’s continue to pray for our friends in Rome.

Catholicism by and large is a false religion.

Agreed, but it's challenging when 90% or more of the bishops are straight up heretics or too cowardly to atabd against them.

Agreed .. and to see NEFARIOUS .. a 2023 Christian film that ties all this together.

I am sure a future council will formally condemn Bergoglio and his heresies.

​@@artstocker60They will not. He has not taught any evil.

Absolutely. I don't blame sede vacantist at all. My heart goes out to them. They're good people who love Our Lord and they can't deal with what so called Priests and even Popes are doing to His church. I don't blame them one bit because it is an awful pill to swallow.

@@racheljames7 How so? They clearly don't know the tradition they seem to espouse.

@@carolynkimberly4021 He who abandons the See of Peter falsely believes himself to be a part of the Church -St. Cyprian

You know that you’re supporting the sin and being a coward to not speak up. I’m sure it’s hard, and I don’t know if you have a family to provide for, but we are in critical times right now. Courage and the willingness to suffer for Christ is critical. I’m going to pray for you to stand up for truth and do what’s right, and for the Lord to mitigate any consequences you may incur as a result. But even if those consequences are horrible, please remember what we are called to do

@@Seliz463 You're not wrong, and I do have a family to support. To be clear, they have not said anything that's actually sinful (as far as I know) just things that are vague, wrong headed and infuriatingly misinformed. If the scales tip further you can rest assured I will no longer work for them.

@@47StormShadow good, and know that you’re being prayed for

Why are they doing this... There's a mountain of evidence showing that if we give them an inch, they take a mile. Are these bishops going to be giving blessings on removing genitals from adolescents next? Do they think that appeasing LGBT will make them come with open arms into the church? It's appalling

Never should have left Orthodoxy! 🤯

What's heresy? And who is committing it?

The trads are not the head of the church. People forget the church is a hierarchy not a democracy

Cardinal Meuhler was invited.

@@salvadorteran5181 The Church has condemned many times that it is a democracy, but yet many act as if it were. Christ, the Apostle and the Tradition of the Church reigns supreme. At this time the Trads have the true faith and would gladly give their lives for her. We are following 2000 years of guidance from the Holy Ghost. The problem is that heretics, and Apostate modernist heretics have dethroned Christ.

@@andrewangelopacheco9960 that's cute, but I believe Jesus when he said he will be with us until the end of times Matthew 28:19-20. Your thinking is what lead to the reform. The Pope is infalible and if you don't believe that dogma you are not catholic and you have excommunicated yourself

@@salvadorteran5181 For one Francis is not infallible as he is the 34th anti-Pope in the Church founded by Christ. He is a self serving man who according to his own countrymen is a power hungry man that when he attains power will not let go of it. Now what you believe Jesus said is not one passage that can be taken out of context. On that passage alone volumes have been written. My thinking is what the Modernist great Apostasy has done to the Church. They have done so much damage that only the promised miracle from Christ will rid us of the Modernist Apostasy.

I appreciate your input here. But I think you may have misunderstood Fradd's intention here. The purpose of this is not to frighten people or get them to think the Church will be subjected to the dominion of Satan. Rather, it is to highlight the truth of what the enemy is doing within the Church so that the people of God might serve as part of the means, through their prayers, fastings, and outcries, to achieve the end of always preserving the Church from the gates of hell prevailing against her. In other words, God uses the secondary means of free creatures for things which are nonetheless invincible as to the certitude of their outcome.

hey @@Erick_Ybarra ! Yep totally onboard with that. It didn’t come across that way though. My friend struggles with it and hearing Fr Martin gives him false hope or that the Church might change her position a la Anglican Church. Nope! Not at all!

@@JimCvit The Roman church has already changed her position on No Salvation Outside The Church, Suicide being an Unforgivable Sin, and the Death Penalty. What makes you think she won’t change again?

There’s a veritable industry around gaslighting Catholics by explaining away all these problems, assuring everyone that everything is fine, and telling people that only bad people are critical and criticize. People call such types “pope-splainers” because they’ll excuse and explain away any and all unconscionable and indefensible scandalous actions taken by this pontificate, which is utterly wicked.

Curious what you mean by this. Can you explain?

@@grasshoffers Just seams like some channels embellish or exaggerate drama in the church for clicks. Not naming any names specifically or accusing Matt

@@tc9459 - I agree and I do think Matt falls into this category more times than not. I find it most helpful to focus on the Church's documented teaching rather than relying on socialised interpretation through popular figures. Matt on many occasions (though no fault of his own) says things that are plainly false and you have to be discerning to be able to dig past that.

One struggle lol

to me it is like looking in a mirror and falling in love with yourself. it is also sad how today the word love is so degraded by the world. and family and marriage as well. sad

Love of sin perhaps?

I guess you can say it's a disordered love. So it's not a sharing in God's rightous will and orderly divine love. Christ said to some approved saint or visionary( sorry I can't recall) that each evil act is generated out of a di sordered love for that act. Makes sense.

@@DB-qw6xq no I don’t love the sin

Thats not charitable or true. Love in relationships takes many different components - - sacrificial, agape (brotherly), philia (love of companionship. It is only the eros - - sexual love that is disordered in a homosexual relationship. Now this can vary widely - - many homosexual relationships can be based mostly on or almost entirely on eros - - and a very disordered form of it. It seems in all ways more common that there is this extreme disorder in homosexual relationships. But it is not fair to say there is no "love" in homosexual relationships.

Yes. I believe in the promises of Jesus to protect his church. If you did too then you wouldn’t have had a problem with what I said. But you can continue to walk down a path of despair and fear if you wish.

@@ReasonandTheologyHello, I am to believe in this that the gates of hell will not prevail, but does this mean that the church will not go through a series of trials and serious issues just as the Israelites? Does this not mean that while the gates of hell will not prevail, that they will seemingly come close? Thanks.

@@thenewrenaissance4180 yes. The church in every age goes through a series of trials. This age is no exception.

@@ReasonandTheology I didn't say that I did not believe in Christ's promises. I actually believe all the churches doctrine will be preserved no matter what. Just because I have; what I believe to be legitimate concerns; doesn't mean that I don't think that some evil men might try to use synods for extremely evil reasons. I also won't try to whitewash what certain leaders of the church are proposing concerning grave sin becoming somehow acceptable. Thanks

@@ReasonandTheology Thank you for responding.

It looks like that sadly will be happening more and more. When the pope is having sit downs w/ homosexual leaning parishes and priests, instead of standing up against it, that will be the fruit of it.

Not much of a surprise. The old guard is very liberal in church teachings. Soon they will be gone, and a new age of traditional church leaders will begin to emerge from the rubble left by their forefathers. It takes time, patience, and faith. So long as we continue to pressure those within the church currently, we will eventually win back our faith.

Sounds like your "bishop" is an apostate servant of satan.

​@@jimma1432Francis is elevating liberals & defrocking actual Catholics. How will lower traditional Catholics be elevated by liberal, heretical "leadership"?

@@markoredano9141 The flock has to have the actual desire for change. The libs in the church, as in secular society, have no care if they lose money. At least not as long as they can trust fund along. They’ll either make the changes from social pressure from parishioners or from financial pressure. Either way, it won’t be willingly done. The best thing to do is have faith and pray. I’m confident they change will happen. The right moment just hasn’t happened yet.

In an bygone era he would've been defrocked and excommunicated a long time ago.

There is not one thing "Catholic" about this apostate.

​@@JW-cm2erI mean he's ordained and you're not, so...

@@EmberBright2077 That's not exactly a high bar to measure anything. Some of the most evil men who ever lived were "ordained".

@@JW-cm2er My point is that he would have more of a qualification and authority than you.

Same. I’ve never felt more at peace spiritually in my life. I feel so sorry for my Latin brothers and sisters who are struggling with all these issues in Rome.

Exactly, I can’t believe people don’t see it

The Episcopal church in my bag is a mixed bag. They've had several parishes convert to Catholic. The two closest to me are twinned and one of them isn't going to be used regularly anymore and the other is very poorly attended. On the other hand I attended a funeral at the Episcopal cathedral... all the music was the St. Louis Jesuit crew, and the basement chapel was extremely syncretic, featuring MLK, Junipero Serra, and Romero.

Please don’t lose faith brother/sister in Christ! There may come a time of chastisements one day but stay knowledgeable of the teachings of the doctors of the church. Thus, you can just keep in mind that when two theologians are fighting and one goes against what is taught by the doctors of the church regarding it, then that theologian is the odd one out. You can look up fr. Chad Ripperger’s conferences to learn more. He’s an exorcist, very knowledgeable man.

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@@robbiddlecombe8392 I honestly don’t care. I was simply mentioning how they refer to themselves. A common sense person knows that. BTW your hostile defense of gay marriage is not only unholy, but it makes you look super suspect🤔

…however, #husbandry is a legitimate non-nuptial term.

@@IllbedamnedifIainthandsome Really?!!! I personally have two loved ones that have rejected the Catholic Church because of this Pope!!! That to me is horrific!!! That is really an ignorant response!!!

They're not. The trads are an ideology that lacka nuance and charity.

@@matthewschmidt5069the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

@matthewschmidt5069 that's a strawman argument. The definition of charity is very loosey goosey in Liberal Catholic quarters. Remember, the Church was given to us by Christ to save our souls, not to give approval to our proclivities and concupiscence. Yes, Scrupulousity is a sin. Trads do have that problem, so do Liberal Catholics as shown by your comment.

@@markbrowne181 ... I dont think Liberal Catholics suffer with Scrupulosity anymore than Traditional Catholics do. I think you're projecting.

@markbrowne181 The trads are suspicious of Francis and Vatican II, which by definition is uncharitable since it's untruthful. Your labeling harms the body of Christ as well. We are called to be Catholic, not trad or lib

The results of the synodical process were preordained and the whole process is mere manipulation and theatre. We ex protestants know the drill. We saw it destroy our former denominations. This is depressingly familiar.

The Synod will unfortunately make things much much worse. It’s basically a party to validate each other in their sins….

Glory be to God!

There are Orthodox priests who are also blessing gay couples, as well as defending contraceptives, etc. It's not unique to the Catholic Church, you just don't hear about it in the West.

The traditional and authentic Catholic faith is actually the best choice. Francis and his evil club don't represent the real Catholic Church; they represent the anti-Church.

Don't you think eastern orthodox are too liberal? They permit remarriages and contraception. I'm a Catholic from Russia and never understood that "muh based orthodoxy" myth...

​@is8387 I don't hate the Catholic church by any means, but whether or not the Orthodox are "more liberal" isn't the question. The question is "is the Orthodox position the position of the early church?"

The Church of Rome must return to Orthodoxy while retaining its Traditional Latin rituals.

@@pvdp2 That sounds wonderful to me.

@@PetarStamenkovic Yes. If the Church of Rome officially removes the filioque, and recant the teachings on immaculate conception & purgatory, then those uniates will probably return to Eastern & Oriental Orthodoxy.

Well, the pope seems to be supporting the stuff. Two months later.

Francis, Benedict XVI, John Paul II etc. were notorious public heretics. A True Pope can't promulgate heresy by Divine Law. Therefore they can't be popes. We have a dogma called papal infalability :P I reccomend You do some research and find out about sedevacantism. Things will become much more clear for you. There are groups like CMRI, SSPV, RCI, IMBC, which are not in communion with this "new church" and preform Tridentine Mass, if you're interested. They have youtube chanels, like "true restoration" and "catholic family podcast". Kind regards.

Amen!

The moment fallen human coercion, manipulation, contrivance takes over, the spirit at work is not the Holy one.

⁠@@myleshagar9722well then we’ve been screwed for two thousand years, because those spirits of evil have always been a part of fallen human nature. It’s okay, it’s been okay, and it will be okay. The gates of hell shall not prevail, remember?

@@Seliz463 amen to that! Christ teaches us that change is uncomfortable and that we might not always like or understand the path God is leading us down. We should follow Mary's example and have faith that the Lord's work is more powerful than our sin.

The prideful type believe so. They are sinners and when they were lured into this shameful life, their worldview became twisted and corrupted. Sex and basic affection become one. Decadence becomes mandatory. Pray these people find their way back to the flock.

oi

He who abandons the See of Peter falsely believes himself to be a part of the Church. -St. Cyprian

​@@matthewschmidt5069.. One can resist Evil in the leadership of the Church and remain a faithful Catholic my friend.. I hope you know that. Im not going anywhere!

@SmithsnMoz Wrong. You cannot resist the Pope. Resisting the Pope is a schismatic act condemned by numerous Popes and Councils.

@@SmithsnMoz The Lord confesses at the time of the Passion that he prayed for him: ‘I have prayed for you, Peter, that your faith may not fail: and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren’ [Lk 22:32], by this manifestly indicating that his successors would never at any time deviate from the Catholic faith -Innocent III

my observation is that american faithful often mean "obey me" when they say "obey God". Have you noticed that they never have to change their opinions to match the Truth? That instead said Truth is weirdly equal to their preexisting beliefs?

Francis, Benedict XVI, John Paul II etc. were notorious public heretics. A True Pope can't promulgate heresy by Divine Law. Therefore they can't be popes. We have a dogma called papal infalability :P I reccomend You do some research and find out about sedevacantism. Things will become much more clear for you. There are groups like CMRI, SSPV, RCI, IMBC, which are not in communion with this "new church" and preform Tridentine Mass, if you're interested. They have youtube chanels, like "true restoration" and "catholic family podcast". Kind regards.