Power Gains on a Stock NA K24 || Gasoline vs E85 vs E85 + Nitro

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Have you asked yourself if switching to Ethanol immediately picks up power? Or maybe you're curious on seeing other fuels like Methanol or Nitromethane thrown into the mix? Today we tested Gasoline vs Ethanol, and then again vs Ethanol with Nitromethane as an additive. Heres what we learned.
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@wrighty338 Месяц назад

Good power starts with good fuel and good spark. You should totally have done a rip on just Nitro, for science of course

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Agreed. For science of course.

@jameslowry3208 Месяц назад

For science!!!

@Roakt Месяц назад

Science is important come on !!!

@CypronieNelson Месяц назад

Can the nitro be mixed with the 93 in the same ratio@@realstreetperformance

@judewoods9939 Месяц назад

I would love to see the fully stock k24 on full 50/50 or even higher nitro!!!

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Yes!! Same here

@LordMustangGT93 Месяц назад

@judewoods9939 pfi speed had one on there dyno couple years back now. Made 600whp+ NA! 100% nitro I believe.

@hondaguy2532 Месяц назад

Just ordered few more thingsfrom ya,man this some bad ass content!!!

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

We appreciate the support!! Thank you

@jordanleng204 Месяц назад

Just saw your TRC video in La Fea! Awesome stuff, great to see you at Real St

@SPTuning Месяц назад

Thanks dude!

@awdboosted Месяц назад

Cool video! I would love to see a comparison between pump E85 vs canned E85. It would be cool to see if the gains are worth the additional costs.

@AshLongie Месяц назад

You guys are amazing doing this for us thank you for taking the time much love from UK

@Racecarhuey Месяц назад

Enjoy these stock motor data videos

@zeroyon9 Месяц назад

That was great, the pace of the information is spot on.

@ProjectAjax Месяц назад

Awesome. Love this type of testing content!

@sparda1123 Месяц назад

Plesae do more content on this fuel. There's not really a ton of info out on how amazing this fuel is! I just picked up 10 gallons today from you guys for my upcoming dyno day.

@dillon_r_hansen Месяц назад

Rad, I was curious about this last night for my 8th gen Si.

@Fk8td Месяц назад

Nitro fuel is crazy. You can make way more with extra ignition timing on both one R and nitro blend.

@daveyt4802 Месяц назад

Probably why they run 2 spark plugs per cylinder and 44 amp ignition in TF. If one fails, another can try to ignite all that fuel. If not, BOOM!

@Bacongrease00 Месяц назад

Yes crazy cylinder pressure makes it really hard for it to jump.

@thatfordguy2268 Месяц назад

This was interesting, it's all in the spark timing. Engine Masters did this same experiment with a stock ls1 and did not tune the ecu. The different types of fuel made minimal differences in hp and torque.🤔👍

@dreednlb Месяц назад

Love what you've been doing lately. Keep it up.

@Jeromy247 Месяц назад

Full nitro test will Be awesomely

@ocean8930 Месяц назад

very interesting content !

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Thank you!

@SPTuning Месяц назад

Very cool stuff!

@RolanTHUNDER Месяц назад

What were the ignition numbers prior to and then during the ethanol run?

@barnes4g63 Месяц назад

Great video I would love to see a higher nitro percentage on a stockish K24❤

@LPFM28 Месяц назад

Nice! Like to see same fuels on high compression NA engine

@sheheensumad Месяц назад

Amazing video!!! 😎

@superconscious. Месяц назад

🔥

@shadleybam3140 Месяц назад

Nice test 👌

@COMotorsports Месяц назад

So no ignitionn changes at all? Just fuel, crazy.

@daveyt4802 Месяц назад

NICE! Just wondering about oil and fuel contamination since you need so much more of the anol fuels.

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

On race engines that run these types of fuels for a long period of time, they typically see oil washed with fuel after some time racing, but since we only did a short test we didnt see much if any fuel present in our oil.

@foxxrider250r Месяц назад

@@realstreetperformancehow does fuel get into the oil?

@highpsiguy4085 Месяц назад

You should've tested C85 as well. I see something like 5%-7% MORE power than e85 (with boost). I run c85 in my DSM. Its about $55/5 gallons local at a VP Fuels distributor. I use it during track days. And pump e85 to run around on the street

@FaithLyo 18 дней назад

why didn't you do a 50/50 test added to the gasoline as well? would have like to see the change it made

@ziggybmw Месяц назад

Great comparison, but would LOVE to see how advancing the timing to fully take advantage of the fuel change would affect the results. That's the whole reason for changing to a "better" fuel right?

@Neukom720 Месяц назад

My vote highest power on stock unopened k24a2 on pure nitro or highest ratio possible, I know pure nitro even on small motors take a huge fuel system because the amounts that must be sprayed but I really wanna see how much power could be made! I bet it would be impressive!

@dillon_r_hansen Месяц назад

What about just a set of drop in higher comp pistons on that K24 + ethanol. leave everything else as is. I think that would be a good test as its a simple upgrade that i think most guys who know their K's wont have an issue doing.

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Yes! That would be a great upgrade to show on camera soon. Thank you !

@Rodman8500 Месяц назад

It would be nice to see some rounds with various stage 2 cams.

@dTheHammerb Месяц назад

HONDA POWER!!!

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Woowooo

@kenny240 Месяц назад

I wonder how well this would work combining the nitro/meth mix with 93 octane instead of E85. And how much it might affect the knock threshold of an engine. I know a few applications where this might be more cost effective than using C16 or some other pure race fuel as a means to pickle a fuel system. Applications where compression is on the extreme end (14:1+)

@AshLongie Месяц назад

Any timing changes ? I always thought you have to increase timing as normal fuel is knock limited ?

@h2r_a Месяц назад

Do you recommend any additional additives such as Vp Racing M2 UPPER CYLINDER LUBRICANT - SCENTED? I am going to use my car with flexible gasoline and I want to take care of my engine. I also use it from time to time with m1

@2jzhx60 Месяц назад

Did you tune for more ignition advance on E85 or wasnt the engine knock limited on gasoline?

@LordMustangGT93 Месяц назад

E85 is not big in my state unless you buy by the drum only. Race gas is still the thing here, and i still get the same mileage to which is nice. And i dont drive these car much so e85 would be all sorts of problems for me.

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Alot of our customers who only occasionally run their ethanol cars will pickle gasoline into the system before the car sits to prevent problems. Thanks for watching!

@LordMustangGT93 Месяц назад

@realstreetperformance yeah, this is just super unconvenient af. Thanks for the vid!

@ummduhgmail Месяц назад

I run pump e85 and it sits around a lot. In fact it sits full all winter with no more forethought than filling up the tank. This summer I've only run through 2 tanks so far.... No issues. I do have an ethanol specific fuel filter and ptfe fuel lines, but nothing special beyond that.

@KesterJohnson Месяц назад

love it love it love it....

@foxxrider250r Месяц назад

Ah shit, at first I misread and thought it was KA24

@WatcherOfTube Месяц назад

Would love to see the difference of each with tuning added

@poubs_entertainment Месяц назад

plz try same but with spark plug colder one and play with the gap also put a k20 rsx oil pump in it we whant some rev also you can monitor temps with different fuel

@SpeedstarM Месяц назад

What calculations are you referring to and which changes are being made to the ecu for the fuel change ?

@khemrajhsamaroo3671 Месяц назад

What's the difference in afr between the 3 fuels ?

@daveyt4802 Месяц назад

I think 9.8 to 1 for Ethanol and WAY more for the 50/50, like 2 to 1 ....

@dillon_r_hansen Месяц назад

e85 stoichiometric ratio is 9.8:1 and pump fuel is 14.7:1. Methanol is a hilarious 6.4:1 and nitro is a crazy 1.7:1. In layman's terms comparing to pump fuel, ethanol needs about %33 more volume to reach stoich, methanol is pretty much %100 more fuel volume. Then there is nitro, just leave the garden hose on you need all the volume. That's why it gets mixed with methanol to make it more useable for our road engines.

@daveyt4802 Месяц назад

Cheap methanol? HEET yellow. Well, not really. Ha!

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

We kept the lambda target the same between all three fuels, so very little (if any) lambda difference between runs. Thanks for watching!

@daveyt4802 Месяц назад

@@dillon_r_hansen Looks like 4.05 to 1 for the 50/50 would be best.

@carllourenznaidoo2470 Месяц назад

What’s the downsides of nitro and e85? Will you not destroy the fuel lines and cylinders bores over time?

@deanwilliamson1373 Месяц назад

I think it would’ve been better if timing was optimized as well. Nobody is going to use those fuels without going to the trouble of adjusting timing as well.

@deweberis2709 Месяц назад

I have my restrictions to these stand alone fuel comparisons 🤔 [1] People use fancy fuels to increase the pre-detonation treshold and its kind of useless unless a turbo engine with optimized tunning is used to make the most of it. Otherwise its a waste of money to get those small gains. Old factory stock ECU won't provide the tunning amplitude w/ spark intensity and fuel flow adjustments. [2] Pre-mixing fuels 'by-hand' doesn't guarantee an homogeneous mixture at a molecular level. Some fuel might be predominant at the botton of the tank. [3] Also don't forget street pump gas also has some Ethanol in it at an undisclosed and variable percentage.

@LMBC6Brian Месяц назад

Nothing will change at all if you arent seeing any knock and not adding any timing. Period. If you are seeing knock on a lower octane fuel, then a higher octane will help eliminate that knock and you will make the power you were tuned to make at whatever spark advance was setup.

@sanjeevramsaran8851 Месяц назад

We want back Jay

@CamoSnowman Месяц назад

I'm surprised the ethanol made more power all things being the same and just switching fuel. Obviously the dyno doesn't lie but neither does physics. Ethanol is less power dense than gas. So, theoretically, it with exact same timing and stoichiometric fuel ratios. I believe ethanol should make less power? From my understanding ethanol has a higher octane rating and cooling effect so you can put more timing to it and have more air density thus creating more power than gas. Any other ideas on this I'd love to know.

@jefferymarley43 Месяц назад

What brand and size fuel rail is that?

@GTRliffe Месяц назад

what a shame-missed opportunity! play with timing mam! show us the data like operating temps or exhaust temps, maybe tell us why the fuel is better??

@dreamchaser407 Месяц назад

I’m calling my tuner right now 😂

@tab686 Месяц назад

Do you have this segment in a boosted application?

@AdinSLaboy Месяц назад

That's while Pablo like to see those numbers of difrents awsome I migh try that 50 50 on my Da and see what happen

@matheusrgomes Месяц назад

What gas can be used on NA car/bike to make more power with stock O2 ECU?

@Ochumvru Месяц назад

Is this actually a full stock (RBB) K24? Stock VTC and stock oil pump?

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

In this video, yes.

@amirst110 Месяц назад

Can you add for the test just octane booster?

@BulliKid Месяц назад

Was timing changed at all during those 3 different fuels?

@stephbarbershop2518 Месяц назад

Why not pump E85?

@MrJroc860 3 дня назад

Next video throw the whole can of 50 at it we wanna see a party 🎉

@edwardaloftis6705 Месяц назад

What ever happened to regular 104 octane pump gas. That's what it was when I was a teenager and now I'm almost 70.

@hectorperez1528 Месяц назад

Where all fuels tests with the same tune?

@steveyoutube1709 Месяц назад

what coolant temp?

@Spudstrodamus Месяц назад

Keep upping the nitro to see what percent sends a rod out of the block lol

@justRD1 Месяц назад

you should have put disclaimers in here about not mixing nitro with gasoline.

@j3boii Месяц назад

Should test Only 50% on that stock 24

@TheShamiester Месяц назад

Soooo… Let’s dump that 50/50 straight in there 😭

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

I want to!

@daveyt4802 Месяц назад

Dangerous! Hydro lock and bent rods? HUGE injectors and fuel pump too.

@TheShamiester Месяц назад

@@daveyt4802 “it’ll be fine” Famous last words xD

@TheShamiester Месяц назад

@@realstreetperformance for science 🗿

@elmoz122 Месяц назад

Where did Jay go

@ICTPerformance268 Месяц назад

🇦🇬 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️. 🙇🏾‍♂️

@pr0n5tar Месяц назад

Frist

@m0sad Месяц назад

A stock 2j runs will be nice.. (;

@realstreetperformance Месяц назад

Lets do a stock NA 2JZ plus Nitro...

@m0sad Месяц назад

@realstreetperformance you just want to blow something.....

@SaffordSpeedSolutions Месяц назад

Run that thing on nitro 👀

@Stroked302Mustang Месяц назад

Just run M1

@V8Lenny Месяц назад

If E85 made more power than gasoline there was not enough timing for gasoline.

@K24_Rizo Месяц назад

😶

@ziggybmw Месяц назад

No, the opposite. E85 has a higher octane rating than typical pump gas, which means you can advance the timing more vs gasoline due to the higher threshold for knock. That's where the increase in power on E85 comes from. Granted, not all setups on all engines will see a big increase, but it "tends" to. It also has a better latent heat of evaporation, which helps "pull" more heat out of the incoming air, therefore lowering the incoming air temps, increasing power still. This is all why boosted engines LOVE e85.

@K24_Rizo Месяц назад

@@ziggybmw not to mention this is race blend ethanol vs pump gasoline..

@V8Lenny Месяц назад

@@ziggybmw E85 ignites and burns faster, less timing.

@stephbarbershop2518 Месяц назад

Not really "stock" more like stage 1