Primaris Infiltrators & Incursors: Best Troop Choice? 9th Edition 

Agreed, I think we need to have Jump Packs on Primaris soon!

If you just have 1 box I’d probably recommend split it and make 5 of each and see how you like them.

Hey Josue welcome to the chapter and channel, If your looking to expand your army beyond the indomitus box I did a live stream focused on this!

Very aggressive Tony I love it!

You are welcome Hewei!

Glad you enjoyed it James!

Thanks Robin!

Picked up TTS a couple of days ago and am looking forward to getting to virtual time in on the table

You're welcome!

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

@@ba_commander great to hear a fellow Scot. Assertive, succinct and straight to the juicy tactics. There's no bad banter with you my friend!

@@davidmilne6259 ha thank you! Welcome to the channel!

Yeah I hear you! I need more Phobos too :)

Nice man! Should work well!

Auto seem like very common choice and strong for BA. Heavy or regular can work for back field objective sitting

Hopefully will have a game based death guard showing the strength of infiltrators out this week!

@@ba_commander kill them all, in the name of Sanguinious!

Is this the right one Adam? Hi BA Commander as discussed on the comments on the Lib Dread/Mephiston Vid, here's the list I have been working on for whenever you have time to look at it. Battalion/ Auxiliary Detachment HQs • 180pts Jump Slam Chapter Master WARLORD (Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Free Trait: Rites of Battle, 1CP Trait: Gift of Foresight, Free Relic: Angels Artifice) • 155pts Librarian Dreadnought (Melta Gun, 1CP SM Trait: Iron Resolve, Powers: Wings of Sanguinius, Quickening) • 115pts Jump Librarian (1CP SM Relic: Tome of Malcador, Powers: Veil of Time, Might of Heroes, Psychic Fortress) • 135pts Jump Chief Sanguinary Priest (1CP SM Trait: Selfless healer, 1CP SM Relic: Icon of the Angel) ELITES • 270pts Death Company Jump Squad x 8 (3 x Power Fist/inferno Pistols 5 x Chainsword Bolt Pistols) • 230pts Sanguinary Guard x 7 (2 x Power Fist/inferno Pistol, 3 x Encarmine Axes, 2 x Encarmine Swords) • 230pts Sanguinary Guard x 7 (2 x Power Fist/inferno Pistol, 3 x Encarmine Axes, 2 x Encarmine Swords) • 204pts Vanguard Jump Squad x 7 (3 x Pair of Lightning Claws, 2 x Power Fist/Storm Shield, 1 x Relic Blade/Inferno Pistol) • 175pts Redemptor Dreadnought (Macro Plasma Cannon) TROOPS • 120pts Infiltrator Squad (N/A) • 105pts Incursor Squad (N/A) • 105pts Incursor Squad (N/A) 1999pts (1pt under - morale victory :) ) Notes on units HQs - Slam Master Warlord, survivable at T5 1+, 4++, 6+++, anti-heavy Character/Armour and granting reroll hits where needed, e.g. Death Co if went first and reroll 1s to Sang Guard and Assault Marines. Importantly I rate this unit over the Lib Dread for Warlord as it is important to keep the Sanguinary Guard near him for the +1 to hit and allows the Lib Dread the freedom to fly up the board. - Lib Dread Attacking anti-character/armour unit, more survivable with +1 wound and 6+++, can fly to keep up with Death Co turn 1 if going first, if going second can set up for turn2 charge and get extra attacks and reroll charge whether going first or second. - Jump Librarian Support unit to protect all jump units moving up the board with the 5++, buff the Lib Dread and/or Warlord with Might on turn 1 or 2 and on turn 2 or 3 when the Terminators drop in to give them veil of time. - Jump Sang Priest Support unit to heal/bring back Sang Guard/Vanguard Vets and grant Chalice to Death Co turn 1 and as needed Sang Guard or Vanguard on turns 2-5. Also provides the reroll charge to all jump units. ELITES - Death Company Assault/Screen Unit - If going first move up in 1-2-1-2-1 conga to gain Master, Lib, and Priest buffs then move up and assault for 1st turn carnage and screen. If going second, choice to deep strike or move up and cover for turn 2 assault. - 2 x Sang Guard Assault Units, move up the board gaining cover/line of sight blocking from ruins if went second and/or screen from Death Co if went first -also get +1 hit by staying near Warlord. - Jump Vanguard Idea is to use the unit similarly as if it were a Terminator Assault Unit with 3 claws and to thunder hammer/shield, with the Lightning Claws on 3 models, that's 15-18 (echoes) attacks for anti-infantry and still have 2, 2+ 4++ power fist models to soak up damage if against anti-infantry or be the lynch pin to attack if anti-armour. The benefit of this unit over the Terminators is a) they are more mobile and can benefit from the 5++ bubble and 6+++ bubble keeping up with the rest of the army. - Redemptor moves up behind the main body of Sanguinary Guard, Lib Dread, Chapter Master, Sang Priest and Librarian offering a further distraction, fire support and anti-armour combat support. Aim is to keep it in range of psychic fortress and being core can benefit from rerolls. Also can support with wisdom of the Ancients for wounds of 1. TROOPS - Infiltrators Hold back field and deny deep strike - 2 x Incursors Deploy both forward Hold two other objectives, trying to stay out of line of sight and also complete an action and support engage on all fronts and where possible at least one unit gaining fortress by being in range of the Psyker. GENERAL NOTES • Synergy is the key to the play style, Troops gain core victory points, Death Co (getting rerolls, assault doctrine, veil of time etc from the Characters) and Lib Dread (with own boosted powers and wisdom for Death Co reroll wounds of 1) offer first combat wave in early turns and benefit from • Bulk of force (Chapter Master, Sang priest Lib, Sang Guard x 2, Vanguard and Redemptor) kept together and having 4++ or 5++ and 6+++ quite widespread across the board due to shields, auras etc. In turn when get into combat can benefit from chalice (twice with strat) rerolls etc. • Infiltration from the Incursors support forward positions for threat saturation with the Death Company and Lib Dread. • Turn 1 going First - use Death Co and Lib Dread alpha strike which also screens the Incursors to claim the objectives and move all Jump units forward as far as possible to limit enemy movement. Turn 2 or 3 Bring in Terminators in range for Lib Veil of Time either as a counter measure or to attack another front. Turns 4-5 maximise victory points. • Turn 1 going second - Keep all units protected by line of sight/cover to allow opponent movement but limited target acquisition as I have the mobility to counter and position ready for turn 2 strike, Terminators would come down turn 2.

@@ba_commander Ah, no... it's this one below that's the correct one. RESUBMITTING WITH CORRECT DETAILS/ERRORS ADDRESSED - Please disregard previous list on previous post and use this instead. Hi BA Commander as discussed on the comments on the Lib Dread/Mephiston Vid, here's the list I have been working on for whenever you have time to look at it. Great Channel and hope you can give some ideas for improvements. Battalion and Auxiliary Detachment 2000pts list HQs • 180pts Jump Slam Chapter Master WARLORD (Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Free Trait: Rites of Battle, 1CP BA Strat - Trait: Gift of Foresight, Free Relic: Angels Artifice) • 155pts Librarian Dreadnought (Melta Gun, 1CP SM Trait: Iron Resolve, Powers: Wings of Sanguinius, Quickening) • 115pts Jump Librarian (Powers: Might of Heroes, Psychic Fortress) • 135pts Jump Chief Sanguinary Priest (1CP SM Trait: Selfless healer, 1CP SM Relic: Icon of the Angel) ELITES • 245pts Death Company Jump Squad x 7 men (3 x Power Fist/inferno Pistols 5 x Chainsword Bolt Pistols) • 230pts Sanguinary Guard x 7 men (2 x Power Fist/inferno Pistol, 3 x Encarmine Axes, 2 x Encarmine Swords) • 230pts Sanguinary Guard x 7 men (2 x Power Fist/inferno Pistol, 3 x Encarmine Axes, 2 x Encarmine Swords) • 70pts Master Champion (Relic: Shield Eternal) • 180pts Redemptor Dreadnought (Macro Plasma Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon) TROOPS • 120pts Infiltrator Squad x 5 men (N/A) • 105pts Incursor Squad x 5 men (N/A) • 105pts Incursor Squad x 5 men (N/A) FAST ATTACK • 150pts Inceptor Squad x 3 men (6 x Plasma Exterminators) 2000pts Notes on units HQs • Slam Master Warlord, survivable at T5 1+, 4++, 6+++, anti-heavy Character/Armour and granting reroll hits where needed, and protected by flying up with the 2 Sang Guard units. • Lib Dread Attacking anti-character/armour unit, more survivable with +1 wound and 6+++, can fly to keep up with Death Co turn 1 if going first, if going second can set up for turn 2 charge and get extra attacks and reroll charge whether going first or second. - Jump • Librarian Support unit to protect all jump units moving up the board (Sang Guard x 2, Redemptor etc) with the 5++, buff the Lib Dread and/or Warlord with Might on turn 1 or 2 and on turn 2 or 3 when the Terminators drop in to give them veil of time. • Jump Sang Priest Support unit to heal/bring back Sang Guard/Inceptors and offer reroll charges. ELITES • Death Company Assault/Screen Unit - If going first move up and gain Chapter Master and Priest buffs then move up and assault for 1st turn carnage and screen. If going second, choice to deep strike or move up and cover for turn 2 assault. • 2 x Sang Guard Assault Units, move up the board gaining cover/line of sight blocking from ruins if went second and/or screen from Death Co if went first -also get +1 hit by staying near Warlord. • Champion either uses cover and advances up the board or reserves in to take out small units or Characters etc. • Redemptor moves up behind the main body of Sanguinary Guard, Lib Dread, Chapter Master, Sang Priest and Librarian offering a further distraction, fire support and anti-armour combat support. Aim is to keep it in range of psychic fortress and being core can benefit from rerolls. Also can support with wisdom of the Ancients for hits or wounds of 1. TROOPS • Infiltrators Hold back field and deny deep strike • 2 x Incursors Deploy both forward Hold two other objectives, trying to stay out of line of sight and also complete an action and support secondaries such as engage on all fronts. FAST ATTACK • Inceptors if going first will deepstrike and descent of angels and also be near either a Dread or the Chapter Master for reroll 1s and offer fire support. GENERAL NOTES • Synergy is the key to the play style, Troops gain core victory points, Death Co (getting rerolls, assault doctrine etc from the Characters) and Lib Dread (with own boosted powers and wisdom for Death Co reroll wounds of 1 if facing a army tight together) offer first combat wave in early turns and benefit from. • Baiting my opponent to take assassinate characters secondary as it puts it in my control (only weakness would be to multiple sniper units or a Vindicare). If my opponent picks this secondary 3 of my Characters are survivable and 2 are just for support and protected. The Warlord and Champion are very survivable, the former protected as well by Sang Guard, the Champion is a spoiler and both not in the thick of it till turn 2-3. The Libby Dread can be protected by the Death Co and the other 2 are protected by the Sang Guard and the Redemptor. Whilst my opponent wastes time trying to get to or set up for my Characters will put their army out of position and make channels for mine by where I would place/move them. Other than the Dread, the others would not even be at risk till turn 3-4 and by then I will have board control and all my units in position and doing a lot of melee damage. • Bulk of force (Chapter Master, Sang priest Lib, Sang Guard x 2, Inceptors (when they come down) and Redemptor) kept together and having 4++ or 5++ and 6+++. • In turn when get into combat both Sang Guard can benefit from chalice (twice with strat). • Infiltration from the Incursors support forward positions for threat saturation with the Death Company and Lib Dread. • Turn 1 going First - use Death Co and Lib Dread alpha strike which also screens the Incursors to claim the objectives and move all Jump units forward as far as possible to limit enemy movement. Turn 2 Bring down Inceptors in range for reroll 1s and offer counter fire support. • Turn 1 going second - Keep all units protected by line of sight/cover to allow opponent movement but limited target acquisition as I have the mobility to counter and position ready for turn 2 strike, rest is the same as if going first.

I agree with all you said I think Jon, just I usually run SG, VV and DC so as you say these all fill the same role. Hence my leaning towards Phobos! I feel like BGVs would make better use on an Impulsor, but I guess there’s plenty to consider here! I guess the one main advantage is the obsec from the Assault Ints as you say! Just 120pts for them is an ugly trade off if you ask me.

Neat idea, I hadn't thought of that!

Great brother, can’t wait for you to try the Phobos units! I have but I recently finished Darkness in the Blood the newest book about the Blood Angels and I think it’s only a matter of time before we get Primaris Dante, so for the moment I am focusing on what’s really competitive and that’s the Chaplain or Captain on a bike.

@@ba_commander I really hope they do give is a new one. I originally played Blood Angels in the mid 90's and I didn't want to use that Dante model back then because I didn't think it was very good!It's a shame because he's a great character. Happy New Year! Hopefully '21 will be Dante's year.

Nice sounds very decent :)

I think the genera understanding of the blood chalice is it places the unit into assault doctrine so it gains the additional attack from savage echoes.

I'm saying Phobos I believe, so Infiltrators or Incursors!

Yeah the reviver changed for 9th edition were really lacking.

@@ba_commander The Special Issue Bolt Pistol being -2 is nice and all but their combat knives are where I find them lacking. A unit that can drop in early yet has little melee capability isn't very practical. At best they're meant more for utility as movement denial or positioned for secondary scoring.

Glad to hear you are considering them, I am finishing painting 10 tomorrow and find them super useful :)

Unfortunately not, you can only fight units you charge in your turn.

@@ba_commander it sounded fun none the less!!!

I mean I think it's ok at best, I think we have better ranged support options, I guess if you are trying to fill a troop choice it might be ok.

Do you think they will still be good with the incoming Death Guard changes?

@@ba_commander I'd need more play testing but from what I've seen yeah they just hot like a truck with the sheer volume of attacks

Yeah I mean I guess for 180 points you get close to 50 attacks and then you can attack again!

@@ba_commanderAt ap-2 in assault doctrine helps

Worth a try!

@@ba_commander did you give any of yours the upgrades helix gaunlet or the mines

@@thelegendsmith3063 I typically don't no.

@@ba_commander ty for the quick responses and insight. How many troop slots are you running? 3 or 4

I think it's probably Incursors, their concealed positions will still provide a lot of value.

I mean typically if you want fast hitting abs mobile BA units you want Sanguinary Guard, Death Company or Vanguard Vets, are you making like a Vanguard detachment as you could fit all 3!

@@ba_commander I was originally thinking of doing a blood angels patrol with a vanguard detachment yes. The patrol would consist of a smash captain(thanks for the video on which I should try btw) and a lieutenant with some assault intercessors, and I was thinking some death company for the vanguard elites. I want to make use of my blade guard vets however, so should I include them with a Chaplain and some sanguinary guard? I’m using lamenters so idk how much access the cursed boys have to blood angels stuff lol. I’m totally new to blood angels specifically and I was hoping for tips. Thanks for the reply!

Personally I think it's 'gimmicky' and not overly strong, Null Zone or Unleash Rage are much better picks imo.

Ha great glad you found a solid answer!

Thanks Pedroig, I guess it depends what’s in your meta and how much deep strike you are dealing with? Did you see my game against the sisters of battle with there 6 deep strike squads? Also I tend to use both infiltrator squads tactically currently to screen huge areas of the board. But I am thinking 1 of those is probably enough! It’s a pity we could get a game against each other some day!

In general, since charging and countercharging are BA fortes, I tend to generally not worry about DS too much. It tends to end poorly, for them. The Sisters seemed to learn that lesson. Even with the DS, they didn't have the overall mobility to contend with bois in red... Since I run successor chapter it would be a viable match lore wise. Currently tend to run Vanguard detachment without any troops at all, unless I add a Patrol. It would be bloody for sure. Maybe when the world gets back to travel normal we can work something out.

So what troop choices do you run if you are making a battalion?

@@ba_commander currently running all Firstborn lists, so Tac Marines. Usually one with Heavy Weapon Option for Backfield sitting and the other two with Special Weapons for mobility. For mongrel lists, prefer Heavy Intercessors for backfield, Incursors in front, and ABR Intercessors for the mid.

I have yes I actually put them in there with Mephiston and a Judicar on seperate occasions before, I just prefer BGVs in the Impulsor!

Lets not think about that!

Sort of, I tend to feel 2 squads might be overkill, and the incursors are better in melee which is the BA ultimate strength!

@@ba_commander Thats true enough I guess ... but I've got lots of other stuff for choppy chop chop ;)

That’s kinda how I roll currently!

So what troops do you currently run Highland?

@@ba_commander 1x 5man Incursors, 1x 5man Infiltrators, 1x 5man ABR Intercessors (Serg w/ Power Fist)...

How do you like them?

They fit well in my army with Eliminators, Scouts with Snipers and Cloaks and Primaries Captain + Leutenant with Ex Tenebris and Master of Ambush. 500 points Forward deploy army with possibility of explosive turn 1.

You are right. Or you can put them into strategic reserve. I’m just running the Lib Dread as a pure damage dealer. He always does significant work for me!

I’m not super familiar with space wolves what are their strengths?

@@ba_commander of blood claws? Well, they get an extra attack on the charge (4 each average), they are marines so can fit in drop pods and rhino's, can take a wolf guard pack leader so its like having a second leader which is more customizable. It is also a 5-16 man squads but ofc to fit into the drop pods i run them as 9 man squads (to make room for supporting characters).

Lol :)

Oh you mean that objective marker they include in the kit ;)

Here’s hoping one day! I painted two squads and ultimately am going to end up not running either!

@@ba_commander Give them Jumppacks in the Emperors Name!

@@marcelwachter1764 would be nice if Primaris ever got jump packs...

Yeah seems like a solid choice, you running auto bolt rifles?

@@ba_commander yes they are awesome since you can advance and shoot while dreadnought lib flys and still gets LOS

I hadn’t considered that. Interesting.

@@ba_commander yeah it is a unit that is going to die but it is all about getting the most out of your dreadnought libby. In my last game before the holidays I ran right up the middle and ripped open the center.

Yeah already sounds better than Assault Intercessors :)

Now get 2 of each!

Are you being slightly too aggressive? My infiltrators tend to survive decently.

@@ba_commander nope, I'm not even making first turn charges with these guys, this would just be a deploy in cover, drop a mine, hold an objective. Even with the mine for charge resistance and the cover for shooting resistance, my opponent basically just points at them and they're gone and I'm wondering why I used 100+ pts like that. At least with my backfield intercessors they tend to be far enough away to not attract much firepower, and my other aggressive units tend to move in blobs, and frequently with something projecting a defensive aura (priest or librarian or such) that my opponent really has to dedicate some real effort to deleting them. Maybe 10 man squads would work better? But that is soooo many points just to hold an objective and put out a relatively minor amount of firepoewer. Thanks for the response btw, huge fan of you channel :)

Against what?

@@ibrahamgauntseminario2948 charged by wraiths or bikers, blasted with plasma, melta or gauss (I play a lot of marines and necrons, no surprise there)

Have you had a chance to try them in game yet?

@@ba_commander unfortunately no. Nurgle is working down under but I'll table it as soon as I can

Thanks Julian!

An idea I have is assult intasessors in impulsors, is it a good one?