Prog Rock: How To Count Odd Meters (Odd Time Signatures)

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In this episode I discuss how to Count and Feel Odd Time Signatures (Odd Meters). #oddmeters #oddtimesignatures #progrock
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@plinimusic 5 лет назад

awesome to see this 🙌

@nuajbalpo 5 лет назад

Been listening to you for years, this is beyond awesome

@DaveAksteter 5 лет назад

I love it when two of my internet heroes encounter one another

@michaelherscheid9709 5 лет назад

You are my biggest inspiration

@guitartube5822 5 лет назад

I think a Beato interviews Plini for a Sounding Off episode would be awesome to see as well....

@miguelfernandezmillan2829 5 лет назад

hey plini, how do you feel this rithm? I feel it like 3 3 3 3 1

@JorgeBCanchola 5 лет назад

watching Rick shredding prog metal is one of the best things ever

@avigayilenautozoedeiglori5712 5 лет назад

Agree. I love how he is not the typical 'i am only into this kinda music and will only play what i am into' type of guy.

@CooperDrums 5 лет назад

It is pretty sick

@merttalay9702 5 лет назад

yes ı ve been wating so long for this prog stuff from rick beato

@michaelherscheid9709 5 лет назад

Plini shared your video!

@MFKR696 5 лет назад

And to think that when I started watching this channel, I thought he only *dabbled* in guitar, since his playing was slow and highly melodic, but I've since become aware that Rick is like a Top Fuel Dragster going out for grocery shopping most of the time lol. He's one of the better guitarists I've heard recently, honestly. He has an eerily spot-on sense for melody that I've not seen outside of performers/writers like Devin Townsend, Hans Zimmer or Jerry Goldsmith.

@justincarrasco3680 5 лет назад

Sometimes when I watch you and Adam Neely talk about scales and stuff for 10 hours, I forget that you can both shred like a beast.

@avigayilenautozoedeiglori5712 5 лет назад

IKR!?

@kylestyyle987 5 лет назад

Makes the shredding easier when you know your scales!

@alex0589 5 лет назад

Rick's got more chops than a butcher

@prettyponymonster 5 лет назад

Chops, but ultimately knowledge are the shred-secret. You cant play it if you cant envision it!

@Harrier_DuBois 4 года назад

Neely doesn't shred, he grooves.

@greatwavefan397 3 года назад

Well-written odd time signature rhythms are so satisfying.

@JohnBrooking4 2 года назад

Best odd-metered groove ever, IMO, is the instrumental and solo section of Cinema Show by Genesis. Incredible synth solo in 7/8, arpeggios up and down the keyboard! Then they transition back into 4/4 for the final reprise so seamlessly I didn’t even notice where it happened the first bunch of times I heard it. They do it by starting a repeating pattern in 7, then tweak it slightly to put it into 4, but it’s still basically the same notes, so the time switch is very well disguised.

@UnseeingWorm 5 лет назад

Plini is actually just one artist. Of course he plays with a live band but Plini is actually his name. :)

@tingkagol 5 лет назад

Just like Intervals is really just Aaron Marshall (well, after he kicked out Anup and co)

@Gendiba1 5 лет назад

Like Kevin Parker is tame impala?

@cmr2153 5 лет назад

though tbh i think since Simon Grove wrote the Bass parts for the Album (atleast as far as I know) i can't very much think of it without his Bass. You should see them live he play's a lot more lead parts than the recordings make you think. Also the Song Handmade Cities wouldn't be half as good without his Bassline.

@bfish89ryuhayabusa 5 лет назад

Sounds like plini of people to me.

@alex0589 5 лет назад

and animals as leaders is actually animals

@sonicsaviouryouwillnotgetm6678 5 лет назад

they great thing about Pini is, that while his stuff is complicated, I can easily feel the rhythm without mathematically understanding it. He gets the balance between frying your brain and beautiful musicality just right, unlike many others in the Prog genre.

@RonTheFlyingDutchman 5 лет назад

Some songs with 13/8 (or 6/4, 7/4 alternately): Robbery, assault & battery - Genesis (middle part) Velvet green - Jethro Tull Lords of the backstage - Marillion Jacob's ladder - Rush (last part) Turn it on again - Genesis Metropolis pt. 1 - Dream Theater (middle part)

@jdog2224 3 года назад

Great list! Here are some of my picks (don't ask me the time signatures) Dream Theater: Count of Monte Cristo (beginning) Rush : Cygnus X-1 Radiohead: 15 Step DJ Shadow: The Changeling I also like Pyramid Song by Radiohead because it sounds like an odd time signature but it's really 4/4. The chord changes and phrasing disguise it.

@jdog2224 3 года назад

oops I meant count of Tuscany, LOL

@JohnBrooking4 2 года назад

The intro to Jacob’s Ladder is also metrically interesting, though not 13. The instruments start in a slow 11/4 (or alternating 5/4 + 6/4 if you prefer), then the verse begins in 4/4 while the 11/4 pattern continues. Especially amazing to consider that Geddy must be doing both at once!

@leonazg82 2 года назад

Jethro Tull's Velvet Green is absolute fantastic in terms of rhythm. For the first 30 seconds of intro music meter changes nearly every bar. I always wonder how they rehearsed that part. And then yes - comes the refrain in 13/8.

@NahreSol 5 лет назад

Great! Super helpful and clear video.

@gerardo4104 3 года назад

Nahre!!!😊✨

@woundedmonk1884 5 лет назад

I saw Plini a few months back and it was amazing. After the show I was chatting with him and he was kind enough to let me noodle on his strandberg (That sounds like a weird euphemism but it was strictly SFW I swear).

@vibefrequencyable 5 лет назад

Me too ..saw him with nick Johnston...also a beast.

@lonnyhandwork422 5 лет назад

Lol. :-)

@SerjBassist 5 лет назад

Isn't Gene Simmons who claimed that over 5000 women have, you know, "noodled on his strandberg"?

@joethefoeyo 5 лет назад

He’s a cool dude! He put me and my gf on his guest list because we couldn’t buy tickets due to them selling out.

@dunehaggar772 5 лет назад

Lucky

@platonicdescartes 5 лет назад

Prog Rock and Prog Metal is are my favorite modern genres of music. Thanks for doing the video.

@RC32Smiths01 5 лет назад

Ahh this is the in depth content that is always worth coming to! Great work Rick!

@savagemusicman2054 5 лет назад

Always appreciate your posts, thank you for helping the music community as much as you have. Love the book too! Read bits and pieces everyday! Prog is awesome. Love changing between time signatures.

@willyevans 5 лет назад

Rick...your channel is wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to do all this.

@Badjavdzija 5 лет назад

This is actually amazing. I was trying to understand the rhythm of the song these days, and here you are doing the same thing, like you knew. I've noticed lots of times people saying the same thing, how you do the lesson of something they were either struggling with, or trying to figure out on their own. Rick, you are doing these people and me lots of favors, thank you for that.

@richardhanly4446 5 лет назад

Hi Rick, I love everything you do. I bought your beato book about a year ago and am working my way through that. Along with all the fantastic RU-vid videos you post I am spoiled by your expertise and your sheer love of music. Keep up the good work mate!

@hypnotoads 5 лет назад

There is nothing in this video which could, in any way, be described as any less than brilliant. You’re an absolute legend Rick, thanks for sharing your experience with us👍

@nathanaelhahn4795 5 лет назад

Well, you successfully got me interested in a genre outside my confort zone!

@gameygameygamer 5 лет назад

plini's whole electric sunrise album is absolutely golden, highly suggest checking him out

@RickBeato 5 лет назад

Nathanael Hahn excellent!!

@skemsen 5 лет назад

Me too!

@gameygameygamer 5 лет назад

@Budget Musician oh yeah my bad lol

@JoelinoPT 5 лет назад

Welcome. Start listening to Dream Theater ;)

@boisvert813 3 года назад

What I really love about this song is that the 13/8 part is simpler and easier to listen to than the 4/4 half time part. Such brilliant songwriting.

@addyz0r 5 лет назад

I love this type of content. It's like having the mentor I never found. Keep up being a teacher of the Internet. You have taught me so much. ❤

@gocars3210 5 лет назад

Rick, this is why I love your channel. I had Plini pulled up on Apple Music before your vid was even over. Keep up the great work

@NothingMoreButMusic 5 лет назад

What i actually hear is a 12/8 + 1/1. So instead of counting 3+3+3 +2+2 i would rather count 3+3+3+3 +1. In my opinion that rythmically makes more sens, as a traditional 12/8 meter basicly just is a 4/4 with triplets each beat. And thats exactly what that tune sounds to me, only with that additional note at the end of each measure (the +1). It doesnt feel like breaking that last triplet to form a +2+2 at the end like rick counts it.

@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 3 года назад

You mean 1/4, not 1/1. And that wouldn’t work, the goal of transcribing music is to keep things as simple as possible. A whole song of alternating 12/8 & 1/4 measures would be a mess that any professional musician would throw out the window.

@NothingMoreButMusic 3 года назад

@@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 Yeah i got a typo there, but actually it would be +1/8 ;) And i did not talk about writing in alternating measures but only about how it should be counted. The counting traditionally is represented by grouping notes together in a measure. It would still be a 13/8, but grouped 3+3+3+3+1. Thats how it feels, and thats what it should look like to be readable.

@jonathanfostier28 3 года назад

@@NothingMoreButMusic that’s exactly how I counted too, i can’t count 2+2 at the end it doesn’t fit the triplet style of the rythm I think, it’s just a question of vibe because in the end that’s the same

@jonathanfostier28 3 года назад

When he is noting the upbeats I think that’s awkward when he says 1/2/3/4/and/1 because the time between 4/and is exactly the same as the time between 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 so I would have said: 1/2/3/4/5_1with a triplet space between five and one, and the exact same space between every other numbers, then because you know there is triplets, you just calculate; 1 bip bip 2 bip bip 3 bip bip 4 bip bip 5 1... and there you have 13\8

@darkswan80 3 года назад

I totally feel the same 3+3+3+3+1

@undertheradar5863 5 лет назад

PLEASE DO KING CRIMSON IN WHAT MAKES THIS SONG GREAT

@lewsheen7514 5 лет назад

Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part 2 would be an EPIC WMTSG, but Robert Fripp is a notorious blocker.

@user-sn7uo7ek8x 5 лет назад

I'm keening fir this fir about a year but seems Rick doesn't like King Crison

@jan_Travis 5 лет назад

I don't see why he couldn't do Larks tounge ii. The official DGM has uploaded a Larks tounge video.

@mvunit3 5 лет назад

Unfortunately Fripp and his label "DGM" won't allow it :(.

@DrittAdrAtta 5 лет назад

@@lewsheen7514 I wonder if the same applies to the Fripp/Sylvian stuff - there are some great tunes there too.

@VioletRosesmith 5 лет назад

It really doesn't get said enough how great you are at Guitar Rick. Your technical awareness while playing is something else!

@jackharding3583 5 лет назад

Hey Rick! Absolutely love this video! I wish I could go back in time and show my younger self this video. Sub-divisions were the key to a world of new time signatures, rhythms and feels. I instantly subscribed and have sent this video to friends who have asked me for help in working out odd time. Thank you for such an awesome learning resource. (Plus any mention of Plini deserves praise! ;) )

@sergioserramusic 4 года назад

This is actually very helpful! I am looking forward to the next video about odd time signatures, to me the most difficult thing lies in detecting different time signatures in a song, like The Dance of Eternity, I mean, it's a mess

@davidvashum3572 2 года назад

Yes i totally agreed

@TruthSurge 5 лет назад

this was very entertaining. heheheh PUT THE FRIKKIN PHONE DOWN! Never heard of CLA till today. Seems like a great guy who's been there, done that and knows his stuff.

@aaronsalvesen4553 3 года назад

Rick! You are an amazing human being!!! You are doing what most of us musicians wish we could do(wishicians)!!! You have been a blessing to my musical reincarnation! I am so overwhelmed by your ability to nail and break down the music that we all want to play! Thank you for all the work you do! All the positive energy in the world to you my friend!

@adam872 5 лет назад

This puts joy in my heart for a number of reasons: firstly, odd time, secondly Plini (who is an absolute beast who writes beautiful music) and last but not least, Rick shredding on the geetar. Great video!

@thesea4120 5 лет назад

I saw plini live honestly amazing musician would recommend to see him live

@tcrane8630 5 лет назад

I agree.. I saw him with Nick Johnston and, amazing night of music.

@theHumanBryno 5 лет назад

His whole band was terrific, I enjoyed seeing them.

@Me-tuber 5 лет назад

Hello Rick! Proud of your decision to share so much so free! Thanks again!

@Joshualbm 4 года назад

This is such a great way to teach this stuff. To see, hear and feel all that's going on, slowing it down etc. is really digestible. Thanks for all you share!

@iangottmusic 4 года назад

Mind blown! I don’t read music at all, but now that I’m older and love producing music not just recording it, I’m much more open to wanting to understand music more classically. Crazy that I knew I could write songs in odd time signatures even though I didn’t even understand them. It’s like grooving out in little chunks... thanks Rick, I always find your videos entertaining and nostalgic, but this was a great lesson!

@mememem 5 лет назад

Just keep on counting in 4/4 no matter what and it will turn back around to it eventually

@Polyhat_ 5 лет назад

this is right. even if it happens 6 songs later

@nathanaelhahn4795 5 лет назад

That's because any number times four is divisible by four. Count out four measures in 4/4 and you'll be back around.

@conorreedR2C 5 лет назад

Oh yeah better believe I'm about to write a tune to prove you wrong

@wea69420 5 лет назад

@@conorreedR2C you can't prove math wrong m8

@smolus0512 5 лет назад

This wont work if the signatures dont change in some sort of cycle

@nothingmuchado 5 лет назад

As a kid I read the liner notes on my dad's Dave Brubeck records. Honestly the best source I ever came across on the subject.

@EricMcLuen 4 года назад

Just thinking that. Except on one song (Waltz Limp I believe) his hands are in different signatures left 3 and right 4.

@jbartyparty7398 5 лет назад

This is so cool! Love seeing you tapping like a boss Rick! And thanks for introducing me to this very cool song and band!!

@thomasschreiner6356 5 лет назад

Rick, you are incredible! You amaze me every time I watch your videos. Each and every one of them. Keep going.

@garycitro1674 5 лет назад

Next time Rick will explore how Gentle Giant, African drum circles, etc. do polyrhythms of several odd signatures at once!

@thomasr8185 5 лет назад

That would be absolutely lovely

@PauloDandrea00 5 лет назад

i vote for it!

@rocketshiptoaltair 2 года назад

I'm on board for that!

@FabioSapore 2 года назад

and maybe folk music from Europe (Bulgaria, Sardinia), often in 5/4!

@aymen2949 2 года назад

Or explore some crazy and very complex indian odd time signatures

@calebknott8021 5 лет назад

Karnivool is definitely one of my favorite progressive bands! Would love to hear you break down one of their tunes like Goliath or Deadman on WMTSG. Also, absolutely love Plini!! Troy Wright kills it on those drums, they sound so good.

@kieferonline 5 лет назад

Yes! I've been waiting for this video! Thank you, Rick Beato.

@danacoleman4007 5 лет назад

I'm not saying that my brain is capable of taking it all in but, Rick, you were born to teach this stuff! Being an amazing player and musician is almost like a bonus! There's absolutely no telling how many people will benefit from what you're doing on this channel!

@amonst4r 5 лет назад

i feel it as ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta-ki-da ta or 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 1. literally 12/8 + 1 to make 13/8. perfect timing rick, no pun intended; this video clears up some things i've been thinking about lately when songwriting.

@9UaYXxB 5 лет назад

Indian percussion is fantastic, good for the spirit , elevating!

@EthanMckennaMusic 5 лет назад

That's how I count it too

@mygirlsarobot 5 лет назад

It's clearly 3+3+3+3+1. Rick even mentioned that the drum part accents on the 13th beat. It would feel different if it was 3+3+3+4 with accents on 10 and 12 stressing the 4 or 2+2 feel.

@nunocarmona 5 лет назад

@@mygirlsarobot Totally agree with both of you

@HardwareG33k 5 лет назад

That's what I thought too. Doesn't feel like 2+2 at the end, just an extra eighth so basically 4x3 + 1

@FranciscoBurrola 5 лет назад

Do a "what makes this song great" with a Porcupine Tree song

@rexparker5462 5 лет назад

or anything by SW

@rexparker5462 5 лет назад

sound of Muzac would be great!!!

@The_Kevinist 5 лет назад

Gavin Harrison is a highly underrated drummer Fucking love me some PT

@movimentodoscacos 5 лет назад

or The Mars Volta. Twi of my favorite bands ever!

@FranciscoBurrola 5 лет назад

@@movimentodoscacos Yeah, I love The Mars Volta too, imagine him doing "cassandra gemini"

@edcorn4351 4 года назад

I just saw this video for the first time and, having been lurking and whatnot for a while, I promptly subscribed to Rick's channel, finally. He's doing his usual great job of explaining the subject, and then he demonstrates the tapping used in the song. For me it was as if he were casually saying, "I also play guitar." From many guitarists that would come off egotistically; from Rick it's natural and sincere, because his agenda is the music and the lesson rather than being impressive. And here's the kicker: he still impresses, but now it means more because it is in service to what he is teaching (as always). Who wouldn't take some cues from a teacher like that?

@brianmcguire5175 3 года назад

When I started watching this I looped the first part to figure out for myself the 3 plus 3 plus 3 plus 4 but only to find when I finally let the video continue to hear the musician expert here describe as 3,3,3,2,2! Fortunately and unsurprisingly he correctly breaks the rhythmic phrasing down as the numbers I had heard , atleast how Drummers like myself would transcribe it as to imply feel and not just numerical break down , and also consequently impressed me to be relieved in knowing that ,not only are there super knowledgeable and serviceable, there are guitarist musicians out there but also compositionally sensitive ones as well. I am but a mere drummer but the gigs I've been generously offered has always been because of the compositional consideration obvious in my iteration of the said covered piece. I don't see opportunity in other people's music for me to shine. I hear an ambient and sentiment that ultimately I wish to be a part of and a voice in

@BenjaminJohnson 5 лет назад

I was literally listening to this song yesterday and thinking... How do I count this? I wish Rick Beato would do a video that shows how to count songs like this... Awesome!

@StratMatt777 5 лет назад

Wow! I wish Rick Beato would do a video that shows how he reads your mind.

@The_Kevinist 5 лет назад

StratMatt777 Fucking lol Rick “the musical mentalist” Beato

@charlespurvis2803 5 лет назад

Benjamin Johnson--you must use this awesome and mighty power for good.

@The12thAvenger 4 года назад

after watching a lot of rick's videos, I increasingly get the feeling that he has vowed never to talk about Dream Theater XD

@TheGreatChinggisKhaan 5 лет назад

Your videos are brilliant. Very simple to understand, even for people who haven't studied music like me. Love your stuff, excited to see more content

@vish3161 5 лет назад

Usually Iam against terming anything as THE BEST , but I have no hesitation in admitting that Rick Beato's channel is the best one I have ever subscribed to .. Thanks Rick .. have learned a lot more in the last 6 months than I did in the 50 odd years before that !

@fuzzyheadted 4 года назад

Found out how to count odd time signatures AND found a new band. Rick is king.

@aiyka_music 5 лет назад

What makes this song great - porcupine tree please!!!

@BenvanGeest 5 лет назад

I love your channel, Rick and it gave me goosebumps seeing you show your support to so many bands and genres! Plini is awesome as well as all the other progressive bands you mentioned. I grew up listening to bands like Rush, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant and later this developed into bands that brought the metal element into progressive music, like Dream Theater, Tool and Meshuggah. Your wisdom in music theory and music in general is blowing my mind. Keep doing what you do, mate. I'm a BIG fan of your channel. Cheers!

@cristianandrade1967 5 лет назад

The man the Beato!!! Does not stop from surprising me! What’s next? Mariachi?? It be dope for real

@lanechange2795 5 лет назад

Check out Frank Zappa's "Keep it Greasy" in 19/16. Vinnie Colaiuta tears it up with some amazing subdivisions, then FZ plays a rhythm pattern in 3/16 over 19/16 meter. Incredible musicianship.

@9UaYXxB 5 лет назад

Trust Frank , trust Vinnie … a great mention !

@davedecker1725 5 лет назад

Ohhh no here comes that crazy scuhreeemin sowend again!😲😲😲😲

@LoyalOpposition 4 года назад

Sounds like a very basic funk beat.

@PauloPechula 4 года назад

I'd love to see an analysis of yours about "The Dance of Eternity" in this matter of odd times. That song seems to be a nightmare :) I'm not a musician, but I really love those technical analysis of yours. Keep up the good work

@DanielVerberne 4 года назад

Paulo, you beat me to it! I also love Dance of Eternity!

@nurimanemir6633 4 года назад

yes 😂

@DimashCastellucci 3 года назад

Yah sure. Its only 108 time signatures. No worries 😉

@jimtownsend3910 2 года назад

What’s funny about dance is it’s oddly wayyy easier to follow than many DT songs since 2010. It’s mapped out in a way that’s never very hard to follow. I don’t say that like I’m some badass. Some newer DT stuff is insane in comparison. The middle section of pale blue dot is dramatically more difficult than dance as a total song.

@sonatedaquiTFM 5 лет назад

always wanted this specific video done by someone and glad it was you and about my favourite guitarist, super useful

@JohnMassari 5 лет назад

@ 4:44 I agree with the 3,3,3,4. 👍"Feeling it rather than thinking it." Love your Guitar playing. 👍

@paulsimmons5726 5 лет назад

I'm 57 now and learned to play bass by listening to Yes... After learning most of their first live triple LP, I could play crazy time signatures with no problems. The insanity that Rush dished out a few years later was like a comfortable old Tshirt, YYZ made perfect sense. The really hard, close to impossible, thing for me back then was playing stuff like Lucille by Kenny Rogers. LOL! Heart of the Sunrise, Close to the Edge - easy! Top-40 root/5th parts - pass the Excedrin... It all comes down to what you hear in your head. Crazy is never crazy if you understand it...

@Symphonicrockfran 5 лет назад

When you are brought up listening to Prog or Jazz, nothing scares you.

@priyonjoni 5 лет назад

Whoever design your thumbnail is great. It looks cinematic.

@RickBeato 5 лет назад

Pri yon Joni I did :)

@Hassan_Omer 5 лет назад

@@RickBeato I also noticed that as soon as i played the video. Very Cool!

@christoph.schneider 5 лет назад

Make a meme out of it pls!

@Kevonehits 5 лет назад

Love this! Great way of understanding odd time signatures! Great track to help wrap people's head around different time feels!

@ndkpak 4 года назад

I love music and hearing people talk Bout it, I know nothing except for pure pleasure of listening, but you do it with so much enthusiasm that makes it fun hearing, also that like me you are a big Rush fan!!

@ericpayne9091 5 лет назад

I like how odd meters are all just however you naturally feel it. Rather than 3+3+3+2+2 or 4 at the end, after the first couple rounds of that riff I was going to 3+3+3+3+1. Keeping all the accents as downbeats, even the tag of two sixteenths at the end of the line, just felt most natural to me for whatever reason

@JohnSmith-oe5kx 5 лет назад

Because you are right and Rick is wrong!

@TorTheWeirdo 5 лет назад

When I heard “subdivide” it brought back so many memories of wind ensemble in high school. I sucked when it came to rhythms. Too much math 😹🤦🏾‍♀️

@david57strat 5 лет назад

What a killer song, and superb breakdown of it! Thanks, Ric. Excellent, beautifully laid-out content, as always :-)

@philipmumford7871 5 лет назад

Rick its such a pleasure to watch your videos and learn from you!

@willelrics9027 5 лет назад

The difference between This Example and say RUSH and TOOL is that RUSH and TOOL can appeal to a Mainstream Rock Audience with most people never noticing the Odd Meter.

@hansikursch484 5 лет назад

willelrics It's the quality and economy of songwriting that sets those apart from the rest. While others force those numbers, tool and rush just do a better job of managing the rhythm without losing sight of the melodies.

@willelrics9027 5 лет назад

@@hansikursch484 I agree totally.

@kristevesadowski4586 5 лет назад

I agree. That's the trick. The best example is Turn It On Again by Genesis. Very poppy song and catchy but you'd never know it was in 13/8. That's good songwriting.

@davep8221 5 лет назад

@@hansikursch484 IMO, Yes were the masters of that. They were also the best at always sounding like Yes, but never sounding the same.

@evanmauch438 4 года назад

Yeah a lot of people never actually dive into the complexity, but once you do it’s a whole new universe

@LeathanL 5 лет назад

Forget progressive rock. Try soloing over Brubeck's "Take Five". You'll feel it.

@ChrisSheridan295 5 лет назад

You will feel it but you'll be feeling a very common 5/4 clave which is great as an anchor at the start but it can hold you back when trying to play different groupings of 5. I agree it's a good start point though

@CuriousKitchen 5 лет назад

Always such a pleasure watching your videos. Learn so much every time. Thank you.

@GlenGarcia1961 4 года назад

Rick, I went ahead and splurged and got the Beato Book 3.0 from your site. I am excited to explore further, both on my bass, and on keyboard, which I'm at a beginner level with.

@spikesparks4615 5 лет назад

Busted out the tap shred 😮

@elforeigner3260 4 года назад

Bill Bruford is one of my favorite odd time signature drummers

@sanderlugtigheid 5 лет назад

Great explanation and break down of this killer song!! Thanx Rick, looking forward to your next topic!

@darinwood2183 5 лет назад

This is great! One of the things I love about RU-vid is discovering new music. I'd never heard of Plini until now.

@negromister 5 лет назад

Hip Rick Beato is hip.

@rfpeace 5 лет назад

my head hurts now, thanks Rick! :)

@loganbarclay5075 5 лет назад

Electric Sunrise is one of my favourite songs. I'm really glad you decided to break it down for us, Rick

@quistunes 5 лет назад

2's & 3's are the way I deeply learned Turkish, Greek, Bulgarian, etc. Now so many of those grooves are embedded in my body, they have become like a fluency in a different language, & counting remains useful but becomes secondary. I LOVE odd time signatures.

@michaelherscheid9709 5 лет назад

Plini shared this video!

@wooliegeek 5 лет назад

Rush’s Jacob’s Ladder is a bear to count and play. 5/4 6/4 5/4 6/4 every bar

@craigmurphy1204 3 года назад

Same with Losing It, off their Signals album.

3 года назад

@@andyharman3022 What part of the song is in 21/4 ?

@JohnBrooking4 2 года назад

Then Geddy starts singing in 4/4 at the same time!!

@JohnBrooking4 2 года назад

@@craigmurphy1204 That’s actually pretty easy to count, it’s just 5/4 am the way through. But it gets my vote for the saddest song in 5/4 ever. 😢

@wooliegeek 2 года назад

@@JohnBrooking4 omg that makes it so hard to play. Messing me up big time

@kevingruenofficial 2 года назад

This is great actually Rick. I didn't expect to learn much from this. I thought it'd be above my head but this video actually teaches the basics of how to count odd time signatures.

@markslist1542 3 года назад

Rick, your videos are great. They cheer me up too.

@GeoffBosco 5 лет назад

Needs more Gentle Giant love.

@chippchipp1 5 лет назад

Therrre coming over charaton briiiidge! Loook, do you see the man who is poor, but rich?

@lewsheen7514 5 лет назад

Free Hand... On Reflection... The MASTERS!

@hellofromdavid 5 лет назад

How can I speak when I'm dry and my throat is burning ...

@matheusmoreiradearaujo3267 5 лет назад

A What makes this song great analysing Playing The Game would be my dream

@genuinefreewilly5706 5 лет назад

absolutely!

@brentonchattin 5 лет назад

One of my favourites is Cotopaxi by The Mars Volta, that track confuses the hell out of me when I try and count to it. I’ll try again after watching this!

@KL3NCH 5 лет назад

In fact pretty much anything by Omar, Cedric and rotating entourage. A serious omission in the "What Makes This Song Great" series there Rick, I've seen enough to realise you could do it...

@chippchipp1 5 лет назад

There's another confusing riff (played by the bass) in "Cygnus...Vismund Cygus" at around 5 minutes in. I could be wrong, but "Cotopaxi" sounds like 11/4 to me.

@darlantro 5 лет назад

@@chippchipp1 The high-hat helps with the time signature for 'Cygnus...', it's a loop of 5/4, 6/4, 4/4, repeated. Or you can say 15/4, but that's not so helpful. So you can count 1,2,3,4,5, 1,2,3,4,5,6, 1,2,3,4, 1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,... This is one of my favorite songs to drum with, there is so much room for fills!

@chippchipp1 5 лет назад

@@darlantro sweet! If you like that type of groove, check out the last few minutes of "Starless" by King Crimson (the album version). Bill Bruford is a monster.

@KL3NCH 5 лет назад

@@darlantro What about the missing beats / rests between those groupings? They are there if you listen. Surely they have to be accounted for otherwise there's no direction as to when each group starts within the framework of the song? Here you start to get into what makes something fall within any individual's definition (time signature) and at least as far as t'interweb goes, it starts to get messy because folk start to argue points from different starting points- often both correct.

@slavesforging5361 5 лет назад

great explanation of odd time signatures! there's a mathematical way to count it: the time signature. but that doesn't tell you where the emphasis goes in these odd times. so you have to break it down into groupings of normal time signatures(or beats) in order to have someone count it with the proper emphasis implied, as it is in basic signatures. I discovered this on a song i composed for a youth group. for the drummer i said it was in 8/4. but for the melody instruments i said it was four bars of 3/4, then one bar of 4/4 repeating over and over. because that told them exactly where the emphasis and dynamics should be, while fitting the melodic phrasing for their instruments perfectly. it's tough to fit a feel (emphasis) to odd signatures but Rick you smacked it right on the head!

@davidhoxit4274 5 лет назад

Thanks Rick! I have no formal training but after watching your videos...I always feel a little smarter!

@iloveheavymetalmetalrules6829 4 года назад

Do a what makes this song so great dream theater the dance of eternity

@megadethmofo2035 4 года назад

Rick, please explain the new Tool song, Pneuma....I can't wrap my head around it.

@xxxtentioncable6813 4 года назад

2 bars of 7/4 and a bar of 5/8, with a LOT of syncopation

@kenziemacdonald3157 3 года назад

Thank you so much for this video Rick. After I graduated from high school, I stopped learning music and sank into playing the same old songs all the time, never improving my playing. Then I transfered from the Infantry in the CAF, to the CAF Pipes and Drums. this made me fall inlove with music again.however ,when trying to drum along to some more complicated rhythyms in some prog metal songs had me frustrated and questioning my abilities. this was just the video I needed. I'm 5:24 in and I'm already out of my mental-rut. Cheers!

@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa 3 года назад

Just came across your channel. I like the way you explained the odd timing. I am a visual learner and seeing how it is broken down is a great help. (I'm a classically trained keyboardist, and did not encounter too many shall we say 7/4, 13/8, and so forth). Thanks for this video))) Just subscribed.

@bfish89ryuhayabusa 5 лет назад

Honestly, feel comes first. I think it's backwards to map a feel on to a time signature. The time signature is mapped on to the feeling. Listen to Bert Jansch's version of "Blackwater Side", for instance.

@flyingsteaks 5 лет назад

Hey Rick, I actually think 3+3+3+2+2 doesn't really make sense, I mean, as you said, when you feel it, it's more like 3+3+3+3+1, and that matches the tapping lick, as it is groups of 6 notes and the 2 note grouping at the end

@RickBeato 5 лет назад

That’s the way I clap it. It is the most natural but you can count it a couple of ways

@chahidakoury4209 5 лет назад

Hello Rick long and avid follower to your videos. I am a Plini fan myself it was great to watch this episode. Made my day

@DrSweats 4 года назад

Great job of breaking down the beats. I grew up on Jazz/Rock Fusion, and one of my faves is Lenny White's "Prince Of The Sea" with Al DiMeola and Larry Coryell. The time alternates between 10/8 and 11/8. It's possibly the greatest Fusion song EVER!

@quatquatbebop1215 4 года назад

Shoulda done a King Gizzard song smh

@BeatlesFan738 5 лет назад

Next try to count Dance of Eternity, Lol.

@TheSquareOnes 5 лет назад

I know its a meme but can't keep myself from pointing out that the song isn't actually that complex, it changes meter a lot but most of the time signatures are very simple like 7/8 and 9/8 and the actual number of time changes is inflated by there being several riffs that just switch back and forth between two simple meters rapidly. So if they do something like 5/8+3/4+5/8+3/4 they're counting that as five time signature changes in the total count even though it's only two meters which are quite easy to understand and that could just as easily have been written as staying in 11/8. It doesn't make the song any less cool but it does make the "bajillions of time signature changes!" (I forget the actual number they say, it's like 100 something) tag a bit disingenuous. You could probably find plenty of prog metal songs with much fewer meter changes that are still much more difficult to follow due to using a smaller number of more complex time signatures that don't repeat themselves as often.

@The_Kevinist 5 лет назад

Laugh all you want but some black dude actually did Whilst beat boxing and showing papers with time sigs written on them as they changed accordingly I was kinda amazed and flabbergasted at the same time

@BeatlesFan738 5 лет назад

Chris Pouliot yeah! lol I saw that video too

@johnnycockatoo1003 5 лет назад

have you got the name of the video ?

@NeelDhar 5 лет назад

@@TheSquareOnes I agree with you. Lot of people seem to think all the changes were necessary, whereas I do not think so.

@bas1sokkie604 5 лет назад

I love how you always airplay over the music. Cool channel, keep it up.

@driggerfireon5760 4 года назад

seriously man, you are fantastic teacher channel. no wonder you toured above the rest. keep it up.

@JariSatta 5 лет назад

Progressive: 5 people in a band, playing 5 different songs at the same time.

@Waltzhybrid92 5 лет назад

Progressive, not regressive. ;)

@maninthecrowd5076 5 лет назад

Beware the arctopus summary right there.

@juanborjas6416 5 лет назад

That would be Captain Beefhart😂

@vibefrequencyable 5 лет назад

You forgot it all comes together!

@alm5966 5 лет назад

Rush. 3 guys playing 5 different songs at the same time. Until they split :(

@user-vd8et2ow3d 5 лет назад

I don't count the entire number, i slice it into different parts, that's my way to "feel it"

@stevem6622 5 лет назад

Dude. You're waay over my head but your tutorials are just too important and informative to pass up. Keep making vids because one day I'll catch up. :) thanks

@therealzilch 2 года назад

Very nicely done as usual. This reminds me of an early experience with an odd meter. Many years ago, I sang in a university choir performing Leonard Berstein's _Chichester Psalms._ A section of it is in 7/4, mostly 1 3 5 7 (quarter quarter quarter eighth). For most of my fellow singers, this was the first odd meter they'd encountered, and we struggled with it. But eventually it felt natural. Then came the dress rehearsal, the first time with the organist. Oops. Turns out that not all university music professors are great with odd meters. Not only did he play it in 4/4 (quarter quarter dotted quarter eighth), but insisted that he was playing it correctly. Nothing changed at the performance. We stuck to 7/4, the organist to 4/4, coming together at the beginning of each bar, and thus playing in a 7 against 8 polyrhythym that added some piquancy that Bernstein might have laughed at. Keep up the good work. Cheers from overcast Vienna, Scott