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The car also drives at 2 kilometers per hour

Nice one

python isn’t compiled

​@@benjamin4736 Well "aktually", python has a compilation phase, where it basically decides where to look for variables (in global scope or local).

Python isn't compiled, so it doesn't have a compilation time.

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Golang car also has to stop every once every km to take a dump.

@@uoweme5grand Same as me.

​@@uoweme5grandLMAO Garbage Collector

😂😂😂

In the school days i done all my homeworks assignments in C++ to learn more about the language. Years later now i am Python Programmer.

i have, lol

For real. I’m out here compiling UE4/5 for like 2 hours. At least it only takes that long the first time you build, and every time after that it’s like a minute at most…

@@that_guy1211 so u know that if u have like more than one (1) template it immediately slows down a lot? lots of templating in a c++ project can make it as slow as rust

@@JoyousUnicorn i've never used nor heard of templates until you replied to my comment, lol

And making sure the car actually works.

Rust is first reinventing the wheel and then rebuilding the entire car

@@thekwoka4707 and still it never does even after rebuilding it a thousand times.

​@@meninoesperto2773rush reinvents the wheel. Then reinvents the second wheel. Then third and fourth. Seperately.

Good observation

Also generating unnecessary slower code 😕

@@meninoesperto2773 How? An O(n^2) algorithm in rust will probably run faster than an O(n) algorithm in any high level language

​@@tensor5113 Rust generates unnecessary assembly code. For big values of "n", an O(n^2) algorithm probably never run faster than an O(n) algorithm.

@@meninoesperto2773 Average leetcoder mindset, theres a reason why python/js cannot be used to power any realtime app of large scale. And interop with C doesn't count, thats just writing C and then attributing all the performance to JS/python

When you only work in interpreted languages, you never get to learn the difference.

​​@@michawhite7613Laughs in Scala

Even worse, script kiddies don't even know what a programming language is (they probably think it's bashing the keyboard with a hacker typer)

100% agree

​@@susamogus11111 I think it's just some old red-eyeers can't learn anything new

For anybody wondering: That wasn‘t a joke

@@Zwiebelgian what were you compiling though ?

@@RishitSrivastava007 a personal project with 600 dependencies

@@RishitSrivastava007 A personal project with a total of 600 crates

я компилировал проекты на go, c и rust так что да есть с чем сравнить)

Why? It’s true that Rust doesn’t have a very fast compiler

Rust glazers are gonna learn soon 😂😂 in 2 years everyone will regret wasting their life learning/using rust and c++ will prove superior to Java and rust and python and all goofy ahh languages

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it's true though. however compile time != code quality

In rust you don't debug, you just wait for compilation and it works

LMAO best description!!

E o carro capotando

Nobody uses Python for performance (or lack thereof), it is famously slow. It does have some very useful features and fields where it excels, but speed (at any stage) has never been one of them.

@@ForeverZer0 You realize that we're comparing compilation time and not running speed right? But then again python is interpreted not compiled.

​@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 You do realize that I am not the one who brought up the "speed of Python" right? The entire video and title is about compilation, so yes, I fully realize this, and was merely replying to another's comment.

bro its not a performance comparison, you know what compilation mean?

python is not compiled and doesn't need compilation

@@ZihadJoypython is both interpreted and compiled

I wasn't talking about compile time, I was talking about runtime

@@Smurdy1 the video is not talking about run time.

@@ZihadJoy python is interpreted, and interpret time is pretty much the same as runtime, because interpreting is going line by line through the program and doing what it specifies, which takes as long as running the program does.

Python is not a compiled language…

Bro, what python is doing here?

@@PR0MINENCEit gets compiled to byte code before going through an interpreter

@@notaidan2 byte code it's not machine code, it's two different things.

@@rule6elur still compiled. Machine code or not. The byte code could then be ran by either a JIT compiler or an interpreter. The actual process of running python still involves compiling one way or another.

Coding in Rust, I don't think compilation time is the worst experience about it. But given the single factor you consider on using Rust or not, I assume that you also don't know the best things in Rust.

still, this short vid made me chuckle.

once you get past the initial compilation of your dependencies, rust's incremental compilation combined with debug releases tends to make it a very tolerable experience

I've had worse compile times in C++ than in Rust, dunno if my experience was wrong.

@@Luxalpa maybe you are too noob for c++ ? XD lolz and btw how big is Hello world program in rust ? 15MB ? or 100MB ?

Same here, Moraletherapy.

​@@Phantom-lr6cs Bro a hello world program in rust is like 3 lines of code. fn main() { println!("hello world"); }

@@Luxalpa I've noticed that heavy usage of nested templates is an overkill for compilation time.

Oops, I have solved race conditions and memory safety at compile time again. DAMN!

​@@nubuntoit doesn't prevent general race conditions, just data races.

@@user-uf4lf2bp8t true, you can still deadlock things if not careful

@@nubunto In my experience sometimes i caused race conditions and deadlocks, trying to satisfy the borrow checker when i still wasn't used to it lmao

would love to see an example

rust: turtle c++, golang: rabbit who finish first in the story?

@@youraccountissuspended multithreading

@@twelvetican 💀

​@@twelvetican😮

@@youraccountissuspended the fastest one did

it's for the low end pc, a good programmer is a one who thinks worst case

@@mr_sauce_cooks whether u wait 5 seconds or 10 seconds for a compilation is the last concern when choosing a language rust’s compile time is high not cos of the compiler itself but its inherently more work to do the borrow checking and all the other safety things that rust has to do

you can use the same CPU for 4 time less the price

That's because is using cache (already compiled code)

Most C/C++ compilers are also like this unless you change a header file somewhere that a lot of files are using.

Nah we busy pitying the c/c++ devs who don't have proper toolchain tech and have 50 years of duct tape tech debt slapped together and kept running by hopes and prayers.

@@thegoldenatlas753 y'know you're proving their point, right?

Crustacians not Rusticians

​@@thegoldenatlas753 You must have felt so cool typing that inaccurate shit. 🤡

​@@fredesch3158 that he does. For curiosity sake just checkout any meme on rust. There will be a joke about butthurt rust devs and a huge amount of replies from actually butthurt rust devs doing exactly this, it gets funny how they try to actually refute a joke.

Um… I think you’re on the wrong race track. The scripting languages are over there… 🔥🔥🔥

"compilation speed"

Python is a interpreted language, we're talking about compiled language. Interpreted means it runs the code directly (That's why Python is slow), compiled languages convert your source code to machine code before running it, that's why C++ and other languages that are compiled are so fast.

-while its running

@@GDT-Studio Kind of incorrect. Python is an interpreted language, yes; however, it is primarily just the bytecode that is interpreted. Initially, the Python code is compiled to bytecode with a JIT compiler and then is sent off to an interpreter that then runs the bytecode. Python would technically fit in this race, it's just that the pit crew would be trying to change the tires while the car is driving on the track. xd (referenced from susamogus11111's comment)

Skill issue

segsfault 🤫

Git gud bruh

Skill issue

​@@ResZCreator language issue

It's not that deep. This is meant to be entertaining, not informative or comprehensive.

@@pruthweeshasalian3688 yep, its funny. Could have done the same thing with C++ performance in comparison. But I guess its funnier putting Go as the fast one.

It’s very valuable. When a project reaches sufficient mass the compile time cripples development

@@macicoinc9363 really? It's a one time cost. My big tech has massive server farms that run multiple builds in parallel CI/CD. Consolidating stable prebuilt libs solves having to build everything from source. While it may take a long time to build one instance, development can also multi-task. This is fundamentally what you call DevOps. I will always compromise compile time for production performance.

it's a meme bro, why are you so hurt like that?

javac compiles pretty fast, if you're trying to make fun of Java for having a slow runtime you've completely failed

I haven't worked with java , but i have tried kotlin recently and its awful in terms of speed , so i thought java compile time should be close to it​@@theshermantanker7043

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Nothing prevents a programmer against writing buggy code: 95% of bugs (c++/c#), which I fixed were related to business logic - no language can solve that. Also there is no problem to make a lot of errors in Rust related to the deadlocks.

Python slow as shit

​@@Reloadman99yet compile time is very fast, which is what this video is about.

​@@user-uf4lf2bp8t the thing is that python code is mainly interpreted so that's why it compiles fast(interprets fast) but actual code is slower than a snail

@@user-uf4lf2bp8t... Python isn't compiled

@@Cargren18 obviously, but the video is about compile time. Bytecode generation is fast.

Both have their use cases. Comp speed is kind of trivial though, as you only compile the finished project once. Also, with rust, the second compile is much much faster because it doesn't recompile dependencies.

Nope, I program in Go, Rust, C and now Zig, anyone with that tought of "They all feel incomplete" are just wrong because they feel so good being baby sit by the compiler, unable to deal with memory management in other languages

@@_garicas thanks for letting us know how you feel

@@user-tb5re6zs2r you're welcome

Yeah, and also take into consideration how much time is spent fighting with BC/static analysis.

First I'd have to learn it. But at 42 tears old I don't have three decades to spare.

found the rust dev

He’s write though I write all 3 for work

It's true. Of course, rust has advantages in that it's faster at runtime, safer in terms multi threading smd also the compiler does a lot more thorough error checking.

​@rico_1617, do you know the llvm ecosystem? Clang, as well as the rust compiler, are just syntax variations with other rules. They ultimately get optimized by llvm. Clang and Rustc just parse the language (do eventuallchecks) and feed llvm the tokens needed for compiling.

@@luigidabro It's actually even worse for Rust. Compiler frontend MUST do optimizations as well. How else would C/C++ be able to optimize out entire memory allocations? 20 lines of basic self contained code? Maybe you'll get the exact same result in C, C++, Rust and Zig, but it doesn't scale much further. It will eventually diverge and language + your language proficiency + compiler frontend starts playing the main role.

More for us, thanks buddy 💪

@@logicaestrex2278 You do you. I prefer python for many things and people sometimes judge me for it. Use whatever gets the job done that you need to do. That is enough for 90% of people.

Lmao

No, it’s more like a 2003 Honda Accord with only one working piston

Yea, Rust comp times can get really fast if you don't make your code base a monolith.

still is

@@surajraika7821 not even close baby

If you use Bevy Engine (Rust)... oh my god, my laptop was burning like hell. libGDX (Java) in comparison is very fast.

@@surajraika7821 my game engine compiles in 3 seconds.

python is not a compiler based language brother

those are interpreted languages. Java is converted to an intermediate language that then is compiled to machine code, and python is written in C.

Javac compilation is very fast, Python is interpreted (no need for compiling)

@@noturgokuxd ok brother

Fr JIT are basically the guys hanging onto the car while it's driving and somehow managing to still change the tire

i was thinking that for erlang, new tires just flying into the slot.

@@fatlumlatifi2897 i think erlang is just you keep driving when you get a flat and the pit crew chases after with the tyres

@@indidee_ no pit stop, the crew shoots the tires into the car

@@fatlumlatifi2897 crew removes the part of the car with the flat, the rest keeps driving

Rules of that specific type of motorsport. Some have really silly and arbitrary rules.

That's objectively wrong. If I want to debug and each time I want to launch the program I have to wait a minute when it could just be 5 seconds then this is a very real disadvantage of the language.

​@@sayven if you are waiting a whole minute for your build to finish you did not set up your build pipeline correctly. Even in compiled languages that run on native hardware (like C, C++) your build times would be reasonable if you used precompiled headers, modularized your code properly, used dynamically linked libraries where appropriate, etc. Aside from that, a project will get built a limited number of times, but will need to execute many many more times on countless units of hardware, so in cases where power usage and/or speed is a concern, compilation times is a minor downside. If you are working on a project where execution speed is not of critical importance (for example, if you are blocked by network I/O or if hardware resources are overkill for the problem you are trying to solve) then you can use high level interpreted languages (like JavaScript or Python) and have a better developer experience. you don't use C/C++ because of developer experience, you use it for resource efficiency and speed. comparing and ranking statically typed compiled languages based on build times is a silly exercise. similar to ranking airline companies for their cuisine. you don't get on a plane to eat, if gastronomy was your concern you would go to a restaurant.