Project Horizon - The US Military Moon Base 

After watching this, it makes me wonder if defence planners also wrote scripts for Saturday morning cartoons.

I wouldn't be one but surprised if there are fully-functional bases on the moon, fully stocked and manned. No fit-bits allowed.

We had to try to build a base there, the US couldn't let the Nazi's riding dinosaurs be the only military force on the moon.

Just for fun, I calculated how far away the horizon would be for a 6-foot tall person whose eye-level was 5.5 feet off the lunar ground. With a radius of 1,080 miles x 5,280 feet/mile, ground level on the Moon would be 5,702,400 feet, and eye-level would be 5,702,405.5 feet (i.e. from the Moon's center). Subtracting the square of the former from the square of the latter gives 62,726,400, and the square root of that is 7,920 feet, which is equal to exactly 1.5 miles. An astronaut on the Moon would be able to see about 1.5 miles to the actual horizon. The same person standing on the Earth would be able to see about 2.87 miles to the earthly horizon. But I doubt if the guys who dreamed up the name PROJECT: HORIZON were all that bothered about the actual distance to the lunar horizon from the vantage point of an astronaut standing on the Moon.

For All Mankind has so many tie-ins from actual history, it’s really cool to learn about this on here. Thankyou!

I think a moon base is the first logical step in our further exploration of space...cheers.

What if that program actually never ended...

Man, if the Soviets hadn't gone out of business so quickly, we would have had a TON of super cool space stuff by now.

In the series For All Mankind, both sides had bases on the moon.

You've perfected your words per minute, appreciate all your work my friend.

This is mind blowing.I was 5 years old in 1969,and remember watching the moon landing on TV,although it was so grainy,that it was hard to make out much more than shadowy figures near a large machine,the LEM module.

It's a shame they couldn't have worked together for the good of the world instead of fighting. Imagine it would be amazing.

There once was a project Orion, that was to use atomic bombs against a shock absorber radiation shield to propel a group of astronaut scientists on a tour out to Jupiter (asI recall) to be launched when several other planets were lined up to help with accelerating the craft, slingshot effect. As I recall the project was defunded as a result of the SALT talks to limit nuclear bombs in space.

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my dad worked on that missile program between 1956 to 1960

Stories have been circulating for decades that we do in fact have bases on the backside of the moon out of prying eyes of the population.

Hey I'm glad you're reading the script a lot slower I can actually understand you now. I might start watching this channel again

And thus it inspired one of the best pieces of fan fiction created. Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons.

if they really wanted to push themselves, America could have had a moon base by the 1976 bicentennial celebration.. too bad they didnt realize how informative/ important a moon base really could be..

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such lofty ambitions, I'd love to visit the alternate reality where the base was built, hopefully they'd also have the flying cars we were supposed to have by now, probably accomplished by countries actually peacefully cooperating with eachother instead of secretly hoarding knowledge within their borders like we have been doing for centuries in this world

Thanks for posting

Welp its time to revisit project horizons documentation

I think at the time, this was a bridge too far.

Great video. Thank you.

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These videos are awesome. Great narration. Similar to stuff they don't want you to know. Keep bringing the truths to the forefront. People need to know. Awareness is our only hope.

Great vid Dark Space 👍

Very cool...very interesting thank you sir

My ex father in law told me that he sewed an inflatable habitat for the moon base, but wasn’t sure if it was ever used or not. It may have been just used for research here on earth…or my be still sitting in a undisclosed warehouse.

Another great video

I have seen and got to touch 12 Davy Crockett and their displays in Fort Knox. And it makes more sense using one on the moon I never knew they had been considered for that purpose

There is a simple numbers game that tells you no, not before the Apollo program landed man on the Moon. There is no way to hide the rocket launches to do it. And Saturn V was a beast of a rocket 10m (33 ft) wide, a flying skyscraper full of highly energetic rocket fuel and oxidizer just to get two people to the surface of the Moon for a short period of time before they burned through their supplies and had to come back. If you run the numbers on the Saturn V, it quickly becomes clear why this was the case. To get the rocket into orbit, ~97.5% of the mass of the rocket was expended just getting to LEO (low Earth orbit. So yeah, that 10m wide flying skyscraper didn't even quite make it to orbit and a much smaller 3rd stage was used to make it the rest of the way there. Then there was the big burn of the 3rd stage to make it out to the Moon, expending its entire propellant load. So yeah, that 3rd stage is gone; it is all used up and now you are just on your way out to the Moon, not to say what happens next. So then you have the small service module attached to the command module to get slow down and get into orbit around the Moon. That takes a large chunk of what is in those tanks. So then you leave the service module in LLO (low Lunar orbit) and send down the LEM (Lunar excursion module). This uses a full stage comprising much of the little bit of mass that is left to land on the Moon. At this you barely have enough mass budget to stick two people in the LEM for a relatively short period of time. Then the LEM has a second stage to get back off of the Moon so it can get back to the service module and then its propellant load is spent. So then whatever little is left in the service module gets the command module away from the Moon and falling back to Earth. That is what we were able to do by the end of the 1960's. At this a tonne of technology was invented just so all of this could happen. We simply did not have the technology such as the computer systems to make it work. At this the first LEM had its computer system overload and humans had to act to get the LEM onto the surface of the Moon in one piece. So yeah, barely pulled it off the first time from a technological standpoint. We had just advanced enough to do it by then and at that were flying by the seat of our pants, but not before; it just wasn't possible with the technology available. At this the technology developed for the Apollo program transformed the world we live in. You can't do anything these days without using technology that first appeared in and for the Apollo program. Another way to think about it is the return on investment of the Apollo program is huge, much larger than I think most anybody realizes and if you are reading this now, you are using technology that came out of the Apollo program. For a future Moon base, I would be betting on SpaceX. They need a proving ground with a closer celestial object before sending people to Mars. With the Moon, if something goes wrong, it is possible to make it back to the Earth in a few days. It is also possible to remote control stuff from Earth in case some computer in a rover or something proves to not be up to snuff. On Mars, you are a long ways from Earth and everything has to work, or it could be years before people on Earth can do anything about it. Like if your super advanced regenerative life support system fails on your Mars trip, you are not going to run your backup tried and true non-regenerative life support system for a few days while you head back to Earth or people on Earth send you replacement parts for the ones that broke. Instead after a few days if you couldn't fix the advanced regenerative life support system, your backup system will run out of supplies and then you die. This particular life support example is super important for a Mars mission because you are not going to have a huge carrying capacity for a once through life support system as that would be years worth of supplies for everything including the air you breath and the water you drink among other things. Instead if you can recycle the waste or at least as much of it as possible and get it to be the supply again, new air, new toilet to tap water, etc, you don't need to pack years of supplies, but instead have some fancy machinery that keeps you alive for years on end; maybe just keep feeding it power so it can do its job and change out some filters / scrubbers here and there that get a whole lot done before they need changing.

That was an age when we thought of things, great things, and did them; now we're trying to figure out what bathroom to use. What a shame we've become.

The Davey Crockett was a tactical nuke, Not an "anti-tank weapon".

Great video.

Thank you.

Moon Base operations went into the black over the following decades. They never stopped the mission to do this; just the public stopped knowing.

Good stuff, folks! Thanks.

Great video

Thanks for everything you,!

🎼 _"Vonce ze rockets are up, who cares vhere zey come down? Zat's not my department!" says Wernher Von Braun_ 🎶

Three possibilities: 1. It failed with Disastrous outcome. Years of setback for space exploration. 2. Successful and open up space for humans exploration. Positive competition among nations. 3. Successful but triggered early Star Wars.

Anything is possible if you have enough will and money but to be really successful at this task would be a large guestion. The logistics would be enormous and very dangerous for years to come. Chances are that even the USA would eventually capitulate to the high costs especially after the Soviets gave up on a Moon Base.

President Eisenhower understood that the same manpower, resources, and $$$$ squandered on a moon base (at a time when even manned low Earth Orbital spacecraft was a challenge) was altogether UNREALISTIC1 Where is Eisenhower now that we really NEED him?

It could have been done, but not on that time scale, I think. Had they started setting up habitations and equipment, they would have run into a whole host of unexpected problems relating to the nasty nature of lunar dust (for example).

Interesting. Very insightful stuff. It still gets me upset man's inability to share technology for a better world for all, rather than by fear, hatred and the secrecy it continues on it's people, and they number of people who died, and perhaps murdered keeping those secrets.

thank you .

Shame we never really went back after Apollo

I distinctly remember hearing about a golf shot on the moon, but seems little is said about it. Can you do some digging for us? Thanks a bunch. Great stuff.

7:09 Wait, what, did he just say "water and oxygen would be extracted from the moon"? As if they already knew that the moon has water?

i can't believe the army was like "we have to defend our moon base with space claymores and davy crocket anti tank weapons" when a bow and arrow or a slingshot would totally wreck an astronaut's suit

Reflect on the psychology of men who see no other path except get them before they get you.

I could’ve sworn you did this video before and no I don’t think I’m thinking of the Soviet moon base video.

.75 speed is really nice for your videos. I love the content, the speed of talking is a bit absurd. I also take adderol so i'm not judging. Just some constructive criticism my friend. Love the channel!

Correction: the first man made object to go into space was a manhole cover. Look it up.

Of course we could have made and manned a moon base, and we'd have made incredible advances in technology simply through the learning process involved, but the actual cost would have been staggering.

Apart from all the usual problems, one of them is of paramount importance, the temperature. Daytime temperatures near the lunar equator reach a boiling 250 degrees Fahrenheit (120° C, 400 K), while nighttime temperatures get to a chilly -208 degrees Fahrenheit (-130° C, 140 K). The Moon's poles are even colder.

I believe if the base was built, we would have occurred. The tensions were way too high to let a military base exist with the air of untouchability behind it. I'm all for peaceful exploration of our solar system as the technological hurdles benefit everybody now, not in 40 years (classified technologies are held back until the tech edge is no longer viable)....

There was no way any power on earth could manufacture the 120 plus Saturn 5 boosters to establish this base.

MINES ON THE MOON? that's paranoia for you right there..

20 year ago I had a super vivid dream about an American base on the moon .this one was built into the side of a mountain

Yes. I do think it would have been possible. I think the safety and usefulness would have been questionable, but I think if they had wanted it badly enough, it could have happened.

Its a pity they cant use the ISS resupply modules to assemble a lab in space and just land it on the moon.

Yes!

Of course creating a moon base is possible. The question is how much and how fast.

It would be interesting & appropriate for you to add an observation, now and then, about how ridiculous an idea something like Project Horizon was. There was no way that could have possibly been achieved in the time frame considered. No one has yet dug even a trench into the Moon's surface 50 years later.

Cool

The proposal of a furtherance of the nuclear arms race on the moon was and still is utter madness. The numerous dangers and difficulties of space travel and of habitation of the moon are considered almost insurmountable even today. The risks to personal safety and logistical considerations alone are formidable, let alone the political will or conflicts.

Yes I think it would be possible to put a base on the moon back in the '70s and '80s and now I think they're taking too long to get off the ground with Artemis 1.

Found something up your alley! Their are two variants of the T-38 that went mach 3.3. the N-205 and the follow on project, the ST-38/N-205B. I stumbled upon them at this link. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon Love your videos!

I'd like to hear more about the recoiless nuclear rocket launcher lol

I've always said if the governments of the world could actually work together we'ld be there already and further...maybe someday.

What documentary was this taken from ? Is the full documentary available ? I've seen this before

Would a Davey Crockett explosion be visible from Earth?

It was and still is possible.

How did we miss 100 Saturn missle launches from public view? Where? To build a moon base...Is there a 7-11?

if anyone who sees this, and wonders what would happen if Ussr won all the space race, watch the series called "For All Mankind". Kind of the Drama-esque thing, but it should be one of the most accurate things that could have happened.

if they did this, we now already had a moonbase, we now already have a sustainable enviroment within a moonbase, we had then a better succesrate for a mars base

If Project Horizon were of critical importance and we didn't build it for 60 years so far, I guess it wasn't that critical.

Nasa before was so chad, now they barely have enough budget to get their artemis space suits ready.

Project Orion ftw

A bit silly really, hadnt even landed on the moon and already thinking about a base there

Crying shame we needed to recruit Von Braun to get us to space and develop increasingly dangerous conditions for all on earth considering what his V2s did to the British, especially in London.

'66, '67 !!! Hell, I thought we didn't land on the moon until 1969 ! Where did this project figure on such early outcomes, when we didn't have the spacecraft yet to get there ?

Always thought the audacity of America to assume they had rights to the moon was hilarious.

Thank God humans learnt how to turn off the van Allen belt

I suppose you never know where things could go. I'm sure these guys never imagined that their project would be cancelled.

It's got to make money, it's got to make financial sense

And if dr Stephen Greer is correct about the American military complex successfully back engineered anti gravitic ufo technology 60 years ago imagine how many covert moon missions they would have done in those 6 decades and the technology would have been upgraded as the years passed. Even though it’s just his words and dr Greer says he can’t disclose everything he knows it does make you think about a lot of things that were kept hidden from the public.

It would appear that we will never learn. We COULD have done this back then, but instead we spent our fortune in Vietnam. Then we COULD have done it, but we spent another fortune in the Mid-East over the last many dozens of years, sending bullets and bombs. Now it would be nice to do it, but for whatever reason, we would rather be the enemy of Russia, whom we once worked with on our exploratory missions such as Skylab and the space station. War seems to always be more important. Perhaps a first step would be Term Limits for all our politicians.

I should hope that if it serves as any kind of deterrent, that would be against relying on the military for predictions about the future… _Mom… If you don’t buy me a super-sonic atomic bionic moon base kit… all hell’s gonna break loose!_

👽👽👽 What are the odds of this list... 1972 last moon landing 1972 Von Braun left NASA 1972 Space force 1972 Space Shuttle 1972 Last full off world pic of earth 1972 Harry Truman died. he signed off on the operation paperclip 1972 CJ Phillips became head of NSA, also created by Harry Truman Phillips was the director of NASA first moon landing. What are the odds??? And this 1972 list is massive; in fact, it's everything.

Not only is it possible, its been done!

If there is a moon base or even mars, the public would be the last to know. There's several reasons not to tell the public.

Cool scifi idea. Too bad no one has actually been to the moon. 😢

It a fine facility been there many times.

Yesss

The TV show "For all mankind" showcase's what this alternate reality might look like, kinda...

6:50 they had the right idea! Project Artimus better end up doing the same or I predict they'll end up losing lives and property.