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This last Sunday, April 14th, 2024, we had Stake Conference in my Stake, which is the Sandpoint Idaho Stake. I specifically moved here because I wanted to get away from the heavy-handed authoritarian control, however it looks like it has arrived. During the conference there was a very heavy focus on following President Nelson in all things without question. In addition, it was mentioned, more than once, that people that didn’t obey and get the covid vaccine were wrong and should have obeyed without question. The general message was that anyone that doesn’t follow President Nelson, exactly and completely, is spiritually deficient and needs to repent.
00:00 Introduction
00:53 Stake President
15:06 Mission President
18:36 Seventy
22:33 Conclusion

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@karenmalmgren3238 4 месяца назад

When I stopped being church centered and became Christ centered I found the true love of Christ and will never give that up to follow any man again. The words and wisdom of Joseph Smith is like an old comic book or antique car to the leaders of today. I will ponder and take more seriously the words of a man who has seen and openly testifies of God the Father and the Son our living Savior than those who say these things are too sacred to talk about. If they were to sacred to talk about we would not have the scriptures, especially the Book of Mormon. It is now being taught that any new prophet can over ride any old prophet. Christ did not over ride the old prophets of his day. In fact He quoted from many of them. Be very careful about following leaders today. You are being prepped to accept more woke and mainstream stuff to come. Jesus Christ was crucified because he was not mainstream.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

The pure doctrine of Christ is so simple.

@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 3 месяца назад

And God said that they will be under condemnation until they remember the former commandments and the Book of Mormon!

@williamhaddock1838 Месяц назад

me too :)

@rachelwillardson8306 3 месяца назад

This is so sad. Doctrines of men…I’m so grateful that the Lord opened my eyes to see. I follow the Savior.

@rconger24 2 месяца назад

We recieve The Savior by following Matthew 10: 40.

@thereluctantwatchman 3 месяца назад

"I don't really care what your opinion is." So true. It's not about truth much these days as it is about following the leader.

@edtalbott564 4 месяца назад

The doctrine of "Follow the Prophet" started by Brigham Young was the beginning of the end for the restored church. What I find interesting is that they quote dead prophets and at the same time teach us that the words of dead prophets don't age well. You can't have it both ways.

@thomasthezaugg 4 месяца назад

I'm doing a lot more research into the church of Christ Temple Lot. They are a small but very principled group. It's a very exciting period for our people, I believe the in restoring and re-uniting the restored gospel church.

@conniewaterman1673 3 месяца назад

The actual end of priesthood and actual authority ended when Joseph and Hyrum were murdered. I left the church in 2007 and will never put my soul in another man of flesh's hands ever again. We fought for the Lord's plan of free agency, before we all came here. Blessed? I have been sick and disabled for 37 years. Pharmaceuticals have made me die 5 times. The Lord wants us to follow Him and not Satan. This conference is of Satan!

@fightingfortruth9806 3 месяца назад

Wasn't Brigham Young the one who got riled up about fighting Johnston's army, but then later said, "this morning a man was speaking, but now the prophet is speaking." Elder Christofferson quoted this in his talk "the Doctrine of Christ" I believe. Seems to me that Brigham Young was teaching that prophets can have wrong opinions.

@thomasthezaugg 3 месяца назад

@fightingfortruth9806 right, it was Wilford Woodruff, that formally codified it into the doctrine and covenants. Joseph had earned this level of discipleship from the saints through demonstrated work, so edicts of this kind were never required. Brighams violent rule meant that of you didn't follow the 'Prophet' you were likely to perish in the Utah territory. Woodruff merely articulated what had previously been established by young through indirect means. "The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God."

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

@@conniewaterman1673Well that isn’t true. None of what you said is true.

@americanmanstan2381 4 месяца назад

I'm grateful for my testimony of President Nelson I received during covid, that he is JUST A MAN. It's difficult to sit through Stake Conferences such as this one. Makes me want to walk out. I applaud you. I attended church maybe 3 times in 5 months, from Nov 2023 to March. Then I was told (by God) to go ahead and live the law of Moses, as it were, go to church regularly for now, ministering, etc, but while doing so, to follow the two greatest commandments. Yes Sir. Evidently I have a lot to learn (don't be critical, for one). Then my wife got called to be RS President. She feels her mission is to love those Sisters. So those 2 greatest commandments are our mission, everyone's needs before our own at whatever sacrifice. Everything else is ancillary to that mission.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

Yes, there is nothing wrong with going to church and associating with the church. However we need to be the ones directing our relationship with the church. We shouldn't let it direct us.

@iDad7276 Месяц назад

What are you two codependent? That’s not how the gospel works.

@Dont-Be-Abi-Yussif 4 месяца назад

Thank you for speaking out against the false doctrine that a prophet could never lead one astray. 2 Nephi 28 warns us about such false beliefs.

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

He can lead us astray. By opinion or sin, but I wouldn’t call this false doctrine. Did people mischaracterize his words? Yes. The prophet didn’t lie and didn’t try to lead anyone astray. The members decided getting the jab was a sin or bad for everyone, so you all shouldn’t be judging people for getting the jab, many got it before the letter from the prophet. Many got it to help out with getting COVID over because of furloughs and state regulations on jobs, because the prophets advocated that. One could argue the Church was slow to respond and that one didn’t have good knowledge from government or doctors about COVID or the vaccine. I agree. Doesn’t make the vaccine bad though

@Dont-Be-Abi-Yussif 3 месяца назад

@@donaldjones9830 I’m not talking about the jab specifically. I’m talking about the claim Woodruff made that stands to this day in the church that a prophet could “never lead us astray”. They certainly can if we choose to blindly follow and even blindly believe they are actually prophets like they claim to be.

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

@@Dont-Be-Abi-Yussif Like I said that I agree with blindly following, the other extreme is always taking everything anyone says in the Church to God and demanding an answer. God doesn’t command us in all things. By the way, I’m unaware of President Woodruff’s comment you’re referring to. It’s important we avoid both extremes with Church leaders. They are not infallible but one can be duped by them by how you interpret them. One can be an extremist and never make a decision or believe anything they say unless God tells them so. It wasn’t a sin to not pray about getting the jab or not getting it. If you do other work to make a decision. Being led astray is what we call not accepting truth, correction from others, not learning from our mistakes or others and not learning correct doctrine. It’s a form of being holier than thou, a know it all, pride etc. Basically when we sin, we are going astray. One must be amenable to changing themselves through the Savior’s Atonement. Just coming from it a different way. Understand that President Woodruff’s comment you mentioned is on a video about COVID and a Stake Conference. President Oaks said there is good in all political parties. I struggle to see what’s good about the Democrat agenda or socialism etc. Not criticizing him, I don’t understand a lot of some things the Church leaders say.

@Dont-Be-Abi-Yussif 3 месяца назад

@@donaldjones9830 This was actually a video about prophet worship as the title suggests. C-19 is just used as an example of how this false doctrine was applied in the modern day, but this is only one of several instances in church history. If you ever read the first Manifesto then you can find the quote from Woodruff there saying that a prophet can never lead one astray. It seems to be the most recycled quote throughout the generations to justify the expectations that members should be obedient to their leaders’ counsel. What many have failed to realize when quoting Woodruff is that the Manifesto itself is a clear example of deception coming from the top down and a perfect example of “a prophet” leading people astray. The Manifesto claimed to forbid any further plural marriages in the church but it is well documented that the brethren continued to perform several plural marriages. Oh the irony!

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

@@Dont-Be-Abi-Yussif Where is the proof that they continue plural marriages today? You say it is deception on their part. Is that like all the people who with COVID said God told them no, then they said that means everyone would have gotten that answer as the reason to say the Church was wrong? The same people that said that anyone who got the jab followed the prophet falsely, even though many got it before the letter? Furthermore they claimed God needed to say so to them, despite the fact they have never applied it to any other vaccine or medical decision, and then claimed the vaccine was poison. The fact was over 80% of Americans got it. To claim private revelation should have been what revelation the Church should have said was false doctrine. It assumed that everyone who got jabbed lied about it and didn’t pray about it because they decided they were right and it was poison and God said no to them. What hubris. You say this is a recycled quote from President Woodruff, so that means we can’t truly identify him as actually saying it. No one worships the prophet. People do the opposite and take everything to the Lord in prayer including things they want God to tell them in because they think he should counsel them in everything without making a personal decision themselves, meaning they aren’t exercising faith in him. You say this prophet worship happened several times in Church history without offering anything but the Manifesto. You are not technically correct. There were people who found ends around it by technicality for a few decades, this happens in the temple all the time, including baptisms for Jews and celebrities which has occurred before until a lawsuit came against the Church 20 years ago or so. Because marriage involves sealings, one could go past the original Manifesto with a work around for doing it with dead relatives in stead of the live marriages back then. That did occur until WW1 when that was declared against the spirit of the Manifesto. See how easy one is duped? They didn’t lie about it, they found another way to practice it on a technicality but it was finally shut down. I wouldn’t say the end around was an attempt to follow the prophet before it was banned in 1890. Early Church history is sketchy on many things that were done or said, so I take a lot of it with a grain of salt. The follow the prophet controversy is another way people use to lie. They say Follow the Savior, not him. The prophet represents the Savior. They say he must preface his comments with Thus saith the Lord, in order to be doctrine. Which is untrue. They implied the prophet lied about the letter because they assumed he said it was a commandment or that there is no wise medical people to consult. Also nonsense. Also, they took 1 vaccine, said it required they ask the Lord, when they never applied that to other vaccines or anything else the prophet has mentioned with health related issues. There were people who called President Kimball racist for opposing the Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution. Following the prophet is not false doctrine. If one can’t know when he dictates doctrine versus stating his opinion, as mentioned in the bottle crushing story, that is your fault. What is said in General Conference is prophetic counsel. Letters from the First Presidency also constitute doctrine unless it says otherwise. It was obvious the Church never said it was mandatory to get the jab. The Church does advocate following the law of the land. If you lived in a state where your job or state required masks or a vaccination, to not do so is not following the prophet. The Church teaches us when Church law supersedes the law of man, but in this case, it does not apply here because getting a jab is not a sin. This explains why we do not do missionary work in China. Their law is evil, but we respect it. The idea that we should ask the Lord about the jab simply to justify telling others they were wrong for getting it and saying they were duped into following the prophet on a non commandment is just evil and wrong. Private revelation is one thing. Revealing it to justify telling those who got it they were wrong is immoral and wrong. Simply using a Church video from a Stake Conference in which they chose to upload to RU-vid so you can justify judging others by implying they are following the prophet falsely on an assumption they thought it was a commandment, is the height of arrogance. None of you know what prophet worship is. I’m Republican, and I get accused of Trump worship, because he is an adulterer and evil according to most people, even though Biden and most politicians have committed adultery and things accused of Trump. You guys treat prophet worship like Democrats do to Republicans on Trump. You simply declare their choice a sin and say they are worshipping an idol. This kind of arrogance is wrong. I can damn well choose who to vote for or how to interpret what a prophet says and still get a vaccine, regardless of whether it was a good idea or not. Who are you people to judge? Saying prophet worship is wrong is tantamount to declaring the other side of sin for a choice you didn’t make, and then hypocritically applied to Church leaders who are doing their best to get their stake to follow the prophet, in a stake conference not given live to anyone outside the stake, and therefore not my business to judge them for. Stop telling people you disagree on a choice with that they are worshipping a prophet or politician. This is an abuse of your power and my agency and therefore you are declaring false doctrine by saying we are practicing false doctrine because we made a choice that isn’t a sin. Sorry. I vehemently disagree with this video and OP. Such stupid nonsense. The Book of Mormon warns against false doctrine and I’ve seen plenty here on these videos discussing the Stake Conference in Sand Point Idaho. I’m done here. I’m tired of the stupidity here. I will call out any church member’s channel promoting such nonsense and criticizing of Church leadership. Or if they promote contention, false doctrine or advocating the Church abuses people or lets guns in buildings . Move on. Tired of COVID debates.

@icecreamladydriver1606 3 месяца назад

I don't follow the prophet, I follow my Savior. We are taught in the scripture not to rely on the arm of flesh but the church teaches us to follow and rely on the arm of flesh.

@ChrisFBartlett 3 месяца назад

Well done on this examination of leader worship in our church.

@davidoberstadt1907 3 месяца назад

I follow the Lord and no man. If a man has a message of light and truth, I will follow that light and truth and study the message that man has. There are messengers with light and truth.

@Kristy_not_Kristine 4 месяца назад

He believes in the philosophies of men. Nowhere in scripture are we told to follow a prophet, let alone that we'll be blessed doing so unquestioningly. Quite the opposite. Scripture warns us about false prophets and putting our trust in the arm of flesh.

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

President Nelson isn’t a false prophet. He didn’t claim that if we didn’t get the vax, then we aren’t following the prophet. Technically a false prophet is anyone not appointed and called by God. That applies to every Church member outside the First Presidency and the 12 apostles. A prophet called of God is like any Church member and can be removed from office.

@rconger24 2 месяца назад

Humble reverence is so important. -Matthew 10 :40. -D&C 84: 35-38 Scriptures tell us *_how_* to discern Prophets.

@jaredeastley9640 3 месяца назад

I have a faithful brother who was excommunicated in that Stake about 8 years ago for teaching the Doctrine of Christ in preference to the doctrine of following the prophet no matter what. The leaders of that Stake are famously Brethrenite. They are seriously bad guys up there. They are teaching and leading in direct opposition to the Book of Mormon. For them, following the prophet is the central doctrine of the church. It is everything. These guys are seriously wicked bros!

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

For a faithful member that has got to be very hard. There was a current Bishop in this Stake who was disfellowshipped and then exed for teaching Joseph wasn't a polygamist. Some leaders here are out of control. It really is leader lottery. Some leaders are okay with things and others are not at all.

@Avenger24601 3 месяца назад

“We’ve been given a promise” that if we obey we’ll be blessed. Conmen and sheisters everywhere make promises. Use a better argument than: because Mark Hoffman promised us the Salamander Letter was authentic, it must be true.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I hate when leaders reference the "promise" because it is just circular logic.

@lisatreelove9278 3 месяца назад

The hardest part about this video was listening to him say that those who didn’t “follow the prophet” were just following their own opinions. He even had the gall to suggest it was political. He doesn’t even consider that people could have made their choice based on sound evidence and answers to prayer. Man, it still hurts my soul to be insulted like this. I’m sad that’s how they think of those who are taking God for their guide. A member of our bishopric did something similar, only he did say we should repent (rather than pretend he wasn’t calling for repentance like this man in the video). I lost respect for him. When someone thinks following a prophet trumps prayerfully seeking for truth and answers from God, I am keen to run away from them.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

It is very hard I agree. I know he means well, but of course that doesn't help anyone very much.

@mikeflanders2173 3 месяца назад

What was the 70’s name. I need to contact him.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

@@mikeflanders2173 I doubt you can. Do they publish that information online? Elder Douglas A. Rozsa.

@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs 4 месяца назад

I don't like the Stake President's tone. Just feels off to me.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 4 месяца назад

He doesn't want to be controversial, but tells a sizable part of the audience they are less faithful. 😊 Many fasted, prayed, and really struggled about their decision. Others just did as they were told and they are the more faithful ones?

@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs 4 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism They take pride in their idolatry. That's what I sense about his tone, and others like him.

@truthseeker4286 4 месяца назад

@@Avoicecyringinthesuburbsso true

@mikelynes1451 3 месяца назад

Unbelievable arrogance and hubris being barfed out from the pulpit by supposedly "inspired leaders" who obviously do NOT understand the gospel or the scriptures that contain it...and during a stake conference where their BS goes unchecked, unquestioned, and unchallenged. Wow. I would have left mid-talk, shaking my head at the absolute garbage being spoon fed to the sheeple there. Wow. Unbelievable.

@meridentoombs3840 3 месяца назад

It feels like programming to me, whether intentional or unintentional.

@thedailydump7407 3 месяца назад

The deeper I delve into church history, the more inconsistencies, contradictions, and embarrassments I see. Following the prophet historically is a shaky foundation that has led to massive amounts of sadness, death, and lost human potential. Our church and its history is an absolute circus led by the clowns.

@rconger24 2 месяца назад

Humble reverence is so important. -Matthew 10 :40. -D&C 84: 35-38

@fightingfortruth9806 3 месяца назад

Section 38.7.13 of the Handbook states, "individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about Vs" and they should "seek the guidance of the Holy Ghost." The Stake President is the one who is not following the prophet here. You need to send them this information and call them out. If you are too afraid, post their email addresses here and I will do it myself.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I have contacted my SP more than once about various things as well as cced him on emails to others.

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

Again I disagree here. The prophet told us to pray about it and it wasn’t mandatory, yet you accuse those who did get it of following the prophet but said they were duped into thinking it was a commandment. Making it appear you are calling getting the jab a sin. I’m assuming the SP got the jab and was advocating it. Even if he was wrong to do so, you both are doing the same by using a video to judge him for something that was intended to judge anyone who got as worshipping the prophet. I’m not allergic to vaccines, not opposed to them and I’m getting judged for getting it, when almost all Americans did get it. So you can’t have it both ways. I just love the hypocrisy here. It’s interesting the same political party that got it wasn’t the party who developed it and got it out but they accepted getting it. Then they elected a president who wanted to force it on everyone else, the same party that accuses the party of the president who helped overturn Roe vs Wade of violating people’s privacy with medicine, even though they tried that with the vaccine after accusing Trump of mishandling it despite taking the jab themselves. Of course both sides were wrong with the government. And you’re both wrong here. You can’t say it’s a private decision to ask God and then tell others who chose different that there private decision to get it is a sin because they misunderstood the prophet and worshipped him by not questioning the vaccine. Getting it or not getting it wasn’t a sin. It wasn’t a commandment because even the prophet and the Lord knows that some people are allergic to it and that some shouldn’t get it. So a one size fits all is wrong both ways. But you took an uploaded video that if it hadn’t been uploaded, you would have known nothing about that Conference, and you took advantage of it to criticize the Church and those who got it to further your agenda. You both need to repent. You were both wrong on this, yet you allow people who didn’t get it to potentially brag about it. Your point was to be holier than thou to state that people in the Church blindly follow the prophet, knowing many got the jab before he said anything about it. You are both being called out. How dare you lecture others on what you think is a sin by a SP and GA, and then do the same thing and use a video to cause contention.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

@@donaldjones9830 This is my stake and of course my Stake President. I judged no one for wearing masks of getting the jab. I just said they were pointless or dangerous, however I clearly mention that it is a choice. You are being so defensive for no reason at all. If you are feeling judged then you need to repent for taking everything personally.

@donaldjones9830 3 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism Irrelevant, but regardless, I still don’t agree with how the video was used. Letting people chastise the SP. Duly note I did not take anyone’s side on the jab or the SP. But I also never implied or said it was or wasn’t wrong on his part. The reason you produced the video was because of the jab. Which is why, correct or wrong, the SP talked about following the prophet. Your take was we are obsessive with following the prophet. The fact is everyone who got the jab or didn’t get it followed the prophet, so there was no point to the video. Obviously you agreed with people saying the SP should be removed. So why does an uploaded by their stake conference video need to be commented on by members of the Church here, regardless if they are in that stake or not? It isn’t your job to call out the SP and GA. I’m not going to defend this video or comments that say he should be removed, whether or not he overstepped his bounds. Technically that’s gossip. Your SP isn’t around to defend himself and your attempts of ignoring him on masks and trying to talk to him, is where my comment on being childish comes in. Anyone talking about it as a Channel owner is out of bounds. Plus judging others in your stake on social media for the world to see is not a mature thing to do. I don’t care if the SP and GA were right or wrong. Parading the video around so people can unrighteously judge them is plain wrong. I believe that is called slander. Or badmouthing them. Leave it alone. Or take down this video. Contention is of the devil, which is what this video promotes. I’m not being defensive. I’m tired of the garbage on these videos and COVID nonsense since both sides of the jab are lying about it, then they turn a video into a judge someone else’s SP and a GA. I’m done with this conversation. This is classless and disrespectful to your own stake. All it does is encourages more people to bash the Church or leave it. Which I’ve seen plenty here. I’ve seen plenty of people deliberately misconstruing my comments, name calling, bragging about not getting the jab, promoting false nonsense and harassing others for a decision they didn’t agree with. Like I said, your membership in the Stake is irrelevant. What they said was for their stake and for others to use it as weapon on following the prophet was wrong. No offense, but I will not accept any more replies of people who just won’t listen and think they can say whatever they want on social media. The prophet talked about that, so by criticizing your SP, you are not advocating following the prophet. Actions speak louder than words. Have a good week.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

@@donaldjones9830 Your comment illustrates the overall problem. You mention "follow the prophet" this, "follow the prophet" that. Should we not follow truth or in other words, follow God? You have no nuance. It is always "follow the prophet". Does this mean that if the prophet says something then it is automatically true? Certainly not. I don't care whether you have a shrine to the vaccine or not. I do care though when a leader says that if we didn't "follow the prophet" then we are wrong and they are right. It is my job to expose the folly of this so people can understand the truth. It is frankly absurd to think that we shouldn't expose falsehoods. If my stake made it easy to send an email to everyone then I would have sent this video to my entire stake. However that is not possible currently. This is the next best thing. It is Satan's plan to think that if a leader said something that we should just remain quiet.

@janecollette9504 2 месяца назад

Always pray about what any church leaders tell you. Always.

@AntonioAFelizJr 2 месяца назад

This man is speaking truth. I know that from my personal experience. Love Light and Truth are the principles that reach into Eternity! 25:03

@americathebeautiful9613 3 месяца назад

This is great - thank you!!Unfortunately I got the vax because /after the prophet urged it. I did inquire of the Lord with my confusion and felt to get it. And then proceeded to get extremely ill from it, so ill as a mother of young children I couldn’t even care for them for about 6 weeks. But the good news is I am awake now on this! And I am clinging to the hope Christ can heal me from the toxic sludge b4 it really hurts me. Please pray for my health and the other members who regret and have learned this hard but necessary lesson❤ I also truly feel that the church / prophet will actually urge members to take the mark of the beast in coming days.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

Sorry to hear this. I do know that God has a unique plan for everyone. There is no one size fits all in God's Kingdom.

@americathebeautiful9613 3 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism I agree and we are all cared for by Him even when you feel like just another statisitic -- Mathew 4 "and the very hairs of your head are all numbered"

@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 3 месяца назад

That's a good point, Matthew 7: 21-23 teaches that if you cast out devils in His name or do wonderful works, or prophecy in His name, they're rejected as workers of iniquity because they never knew Him!

@bobbyshiffler80 3 месяца назад

Excellent presentation, Patrick!

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

Thanks.

@austinbrizzown 3 месяца назад

Have you seen the video of Elder Renlund saying they thought it was a good idea, and to follow the handbook if you have questions, and it shouldn’t be a point of contention? If so send that to your SP.

@robocoxo 4 месяца назад

Thanks for doing these videos

@davidpacksr1722 3 месяца назад

I shall follow Christ. I shall obey the prophet unless he commands something contrary to the words of Christ, then I shall carry it to God in very sincere pray. We ARE entitled to personal revelations. I have NEVER heard President Nelson give any commandment or suggestion or teach anything opposite to the words of Christ. To many people are reading far, far more into "follow the prophet" than is worth worrying about.

@claudiacampbell3948 3 месяца назад

I taught primary for several years and I can tell you that the children hear "follow the prophet" far more than they hear "follow Christ". My spirit was greatly disturbed by this. This is settig up idol worship in our youth. God wants our focus on HIM, not any man, no matter who he is. Study Isiah and Jeremiah with the Lord at your side and liken the scriptures to us as Nephi counseled.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I understand what you mean. However there are several doctrines of the LDS church that are completely unscriptural and frankly wrong. You say you will follow the Prophet until he disagrees with Christ. However in a general LDS sense that is not going to happen unless he advocates for clearly evil things. Therefore Christ and the prophet will always agree. This is logically unsound.

@mattenger7064 3 месяца назад

Pres. Nelson’s last talk was filled with lies. I know it’s impossible for those that have never done the research to appreciate this important truth - but he lies. They all lie. And so all the “blessings” promised to you are filled with deception and unfulfilled promises. Look up the original revelation DC 110. Elijah never came. That was never in the original revelation. Look at when they added Elijah to this section. Look at when Peter James and John gave “keys.” It never happened. If it never happened then when will Elijah return again? Jospeh even taught that Elijah was yet to come 2 months prior to his death and we still dismiss the words coming from Jospeh like he didn’t understand. Unfortunately, you are left hearing stories and lies from Brigham to Nelson without ever doing any of the work in knowing what really happened. The gospel preached today IS NOT what Jospeh taught. What we have are the doctrines and commandments of men being taught. Awaking and arising to an understanding that we’ve all been lied to our entire life is frightening BUT when one comes to learn that Jospeh truly had the words of God then we can begin to find God.

@sirrichard87 4 месяца назад

The last canonized prophecy is Doctrine and Covenants Section 138, to President Joseph F. Smith, on 3 October 1918. That was over a hundred years ago. Clearly today, we have prophets who don't prophesy, seers who don't see, and revelators who don't revelate. I wish they would magnify their office.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

D&C 138 is a personal dream that didn't even need to be canonized. Almost all revelation stopped with Kirtland. We have very little after that.

@melissarasmussen1383 3 месяца назад

Come on guys! The Liahona Magazine and General Conference are our modern scriptures! 😜

@mother2midwife 3 месяца назад

What about the Proclamations? About blacks and the priesthood- 1971? And, the family- 1993? Or, about Christ- 2001? (I'm probably wrong on the dates ;) ) I'm next to positive that those are canonized. But, could be wrong.

@devobronc 2 месяца назад

Idahoan Here. Your concerns are understood. Fact remains that Nelson and the Council were WRONG about that situation. Hardly Faith-Inspiring.

@icecreamladydriver1606 3 месяца назад

They better make sure they crush their bottle correctly. You know, just the way the "prophet" does it.

@jameseverett4976 3 месяца назад

what bottle are we crushing?

@icecreamladydriver1606 3 месяца назад

@@jameseverett4976 The one President Nelson talked about in conference I think last April.

@maxjenkins7139 3 месяца назад

Your analysis is spot on .I live in a stake south of you and lots of members did not get the v or cover their face. Lots of rebellion here.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

Whatever is next is going to be a big hit to the church and its members. The most interesting thing is there is a separation of wheat and tares, however everyone thinks they are the wheat.

@FrederickBergman-gz5yp 3 месяца назад

The LDS teachings and practices are indistinguishable from legalism , which is a type of idolatry.

@psmith535 3 месяца назад

Love your channel, love your insight!

@terrihall2092 3 месяца назад

Through out the scriptures true prophets are never liked . If your prophet is liked and worshipped that is a huge sign that he isn't a real prophet. Hosea 9:7-9

@meridentoombs3840 3 месяца назад

This feels like mind control and programming. We need to follow Jesus, and him only.

@CMBdecipleofChrist 3 месяца назад

My "obedient" friends and family are falling like flies! I think this is so sad.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

Obedience brings forth the blessing of going to heaven. 😊

@robertbusuttil7848 3 месяца назад

Ill tell you this,here in my glorious and most blessed country Australia mormonism is dying a rapid death. In our latest Government census the lds church declined 6.6 percent in 5 years numbering only 44 thousand members and only 28 thosand attend church regularly. Meanwhile the only church that grew were ,The seventh day adventists ,the jehovahs witnesses,,,,,,, House churches. From young Robert.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

The LDS church is in a really tough place right now. They have essentially painted themselves into a corner.

@SouthernIdaho 4 месяца назад

Well done!....

@GAILandROD 3 месяца назад

Name one prophet that has ever said "follow me".....not one.....so why as saints do we propetuate that saying?

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I heard someone remark that it is easier to follow the prophet than God. I think this is part of it.

@jaredvaughan1665 3 месяца назад

The idea prophets don't make major mistakes came out of polygamy. In the Manifesto Wilfred Woodruff says prophets cannot go astray. Which Brigham Young claimed. But polygamy was an example of Brigham Young going astray!

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I do think the idea that a single person can't or won't go astray is a doctrine of Satan. Wouldn't satan teach this as it lines up perfectly with his goal.

@iDad7276 Месяц назад

I hate to break it to baldie, he doesn’t worship on the Sabbath. He worships the day after on the vulnerable day of the sun. ie Sunday 16:16

@GAILandROD 3 месяца назад

I couldnt decide which manufacturer of the jab to get...then I got the same answer as Joseph Smith..."they were all wrong"

@mikeflanders2173 3 месяца назад

100%. The government and pharmaceutical companies lied about the jab. It never could stop the spread.

@isaacazimi3840 3 месяца назад

This video is very saddening. The entire idea that members following the church leader’s council is leading us to be “mindless” is utterly blasphemous and despicably incorrect. I say unto you, when have you heard the prophets council something contrary to pondering the scriptures for yourself and coming closer to Christ firstly and foremost? It simply doesn’t happen. This video harshly assumes that everyone in the church is “mindless” and that we are wrong for heeding advice of gods chosen servants WHO ARE HIS MOUTHPIECES. However, following someone’s council is in no way “mindless” as this man suggests. If we were to say that, then following christs teachings would under this man’s teachings be wrong because you aren’t thinking about your actions and are just following someone’s council to love others, which is The same message the apostles send to us. I apologize for being so abrasive, but topics like these need a firm guidance

@lisatreelove9278 3 месяца назад

‘He [Lucifer] wins a great victory when he can get members of the Church to speak against their leaders and to “do their own thinking.”’ and “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done.” This advice from the 1945 Improvement Era may be old, but it certainly still seems active to me. Did you miss Elder Haynie’s conference talk a year ago? What about the Primary song, “Follow the Prophet (don’t go astray)”? What about the counsel that any personal revelation you get has to match up to the leader’s words? Even if you got that revelation or understanding while prayerfully studying the scriptures? What about when the church leaders teach things that are against the scriptures? (Yes, they absolutely do.) It took me a loooooong time to question the leaders because they did promote following Christ. But when they then say to follow them, they are redirecting people to follow THEM not Christ. They are doubling back on their words. They are creating a dissonance that people struggle to get past. I knew from my walk with the Lord that the Covid vaccine was an abomination. When the first presidency urged everyone to get it, many chose not to follow this very harmful counsel. Many had already received their answer from God, and they chose to trust God over man. Is that sad? What is sad to me is that some who had been told by God not to get the shot, went immediately out and got it after the prophet urged them. That is the saddest thing of all to me, that someone would put a man before God. That is called idolatry, and that is one of the gravest of sins. If YOU always put Christ first, then GOOD. I will tell you that there are many who don’t, and talks like these ones do not help at all. Church leaders should constantly be pointing us to Christ and a personal relationship with Him. But they far more often now speak of following the prophet. Don’t believe me? Analyze their talks. See how much emphasis they put on the prophet. See how many more times they quote Nelson than Jesus Christ in General Conference. Elder Haynie taught that modern prophets are more important than those of old. Even though Jesus Christ is one of the prophets of old. That was the most dangerous talk ever given in recent times. Putting men above God. Smh When you see it, you see it. And when you see it, you can free yourself and follow Christ with no middleman getting in the way.

@hopeforpeace1 3 месяца назад

Marxism type thinking.

@rachaelanderberg6640 3 месяца назад

Wow! That 70 member is really aggressive!

@jaredvaughan1665 3 месяца назад

Only the pope gets to be infallible. Mormon and Moroni made it clear they may have erred. Paul rebuked Peter for erring in Galtians. Yet modern prophets never err?

@jaredvaughan1665 3 месяца назад

Plural wives were to follow the "counsel" of their husbands and the prophet to enter plural marriage with old men.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

That must of been terrible.

@micmacc2014 3 месяца назад

My in-laws laid into my wife, for not "following-the-prophet"; because we did not get the V. My wife said the Spirit left the room, like the flick of a light-switch. This type of speech from leadership almost makes me sick. It is literally similar speech and tactics of cult leaders. Not a good look.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

The whole issue is so dumb to be this divisive. It does show you that fear is a bigger motivator than anything else. Imagine the next big thing and what people will do to avoid it. It kind of puts the horrific things of history into perspective.

@evanielsen9438 3 месяца назад

Not convinced this message came down from President Nelson. So how would they know who had what and who don't have what?

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

It would be impossible to know unless we had the full communication chain which we never will. The leaders though use D&C 1 to say that they are speaking for God so it doesn't matter if President Nelson explicitly asked them to say it or not. They claim D&C 1 when speaking which means we should obey. However in situations that are unpleasant, like this, they claim they are speaking on their own and we shouldn't obey. Which is it? How to tell?

@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 3 месяца назад

Following a false prophet gets you to take the mark of the beast! And lands one in hell.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I don't agree with the jab, but I seriously doubt it is the mark of the beast or anything close. The mark is not going to be an ambiguous thing.

@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 3 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism : It is, I studied everything about it from many different doctors, I read the webpages of the companies that were offering the jabs and I prayed to God about whether I should get it or not. I was told to study Revelation 19. I kept reading Revelation 20. Then come to find out that Russell M Nelson is a Skull and Bones Owl and Key Bonesman and a communist led United Nations lackey because they are giving millions to the UN under the guise of helping the poor, women and children. People should know by now, after the last century, that communists don't help anyone. And God doesn't work in secret combinations per Ether 8.

@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 3 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism : The outward evidence as recorded in the Bible will be the vaccine passport. But what is injected, the mRNA gene Technologies is what is really the mark of the beast. People lost their jobs. People couldn't shop, fly unless their heart was set so much upon the things of this world. Or were deceived by the false prophet who deceives people to get it. That's any of the three males that signed the first presidency letter to get it.

@rconger24 2 месяца назад

I wouldn't call it 'prophet worship' but we still need to reverence Matthew 10. Elder Renland spoke to a SLC local group (a Stake or group of stakes) where he said the jab shouldn't be an issue to hold a TR.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 2 месяца назад

What specifically do you mean about Matthew 10? Renlund is the same person who said wearing a provably ineffective thing on your face was "a sign of Christlike love". It is so easy for them to backpedal after the fact. During the next pandemic they will just return to the same talking points. Do you really think anything has changed? The ones in power are always like this. They demand obedience during a time of crisis whether real or imagined and then downplay things after the fact if they made a wrong decision.

@moonman239 2 месяца назад

This kind of goes against the whole concept of "common consent" - leaders in the church are supposed to be confirmed by a vote, in the same manner the United States Senate confirms a Presidential appointee for justice or cabinet.

@jaredvaughan1665 3 месяца назад

The Apostles governed the entire church in book of mormon and new testament times. As today.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

We know very little about BoM apostles. However to a degree yes the biblical apostles did. The churches though were free to do as they pleased, which the letters show the churches did.

@leightonanderson 3 месяца назад

I tend not to watch videos - and this is a great example why. I mean, imagine someone claiming that they moved to Idaho because they thought the Church would be different there! I can't even. Yes, it is pretty early in the morning for me, but that really is the dumbest thing I have heard all day. Then the narrator (not identified?) launches on his stake president for allegedly saying things that - I will bet money right now, if anyone wants to put up a 20 on the other side - the stake president did not actually say. Making these statements here, lies. I mean, just in the first minute. He says there was a focus (actually there were apparently multiple foci, since more than one focus is mentioned just in the first minute - something of a misuse of the concept of "focus") on "following President Nelson" in "all things, without question." (At about 0:29.) It is phrases like that which are giveaways of the lying. Leaders and members can, do and will say, "follow the prophet." Nobody ever adds, "without question." That's the lie. But the presenter here HAS TO ADD THAT because merely to say, we should be guided by the words of the Lord's chosen servants, especially the senior apostle/prophet" (see D&C 1:38) would be commonplace and ordinary. Only by (falsely) adding the phrase "without question" would such a message seem dubious. He does the same thing again - falsely adding the phrase, "without question" - at 0:41. "People who did not obey were wrong and [the video claims the stake president said] should have obeyed without question." First of all, obeyed WHAT? As the video goes on, it becomes clear that the stake president was concerned about members whose panties got into a bunch when, in 2021, the priesthood leadership of the Church urged compliance with "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders" regarding measures to limit the spread of the SARS-Cov2 virus. The Church leaders said, "To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective." That's it. That's what is so upsetting to this fellow. Urging, not commanding but urging, members of the Church during COVID to respect prevailing recommendations from WHO, NIH, CDC and the President of the United States (someone named, "Trump," I think) regarding use of masks and vaccination. Now, I had better add a personal disclaimer. During that time and since, I have been among those who have been very dubious about mask mandates, lockdown measures, and vaccination requirements. I lived in an area that was stricter than most but in a church context, I regularly advised our bishop as a member of the ward council to liberalize temperature checks, seating requirements and so forth. But at no time was I ever told to do anything blindly or without question or any of the lies that are being told in this video. And though it all, I reminded myself that the Lord had not called ME to be the Prophet of his Church. He had called someone else. The Lord had not revealed TO ME how the Church should navigate - world wide - all of the intense social unrest and contention associated with the pandemic. And so even where I might disagree, I could and did see the wisdom associated with the idea that members should strive to be good citizens. See also, Rom. 13:13. And it is not like anyone checked up on me or my mask compliance or asked to see my vaccination card or anything like that. So I thought I should clarify that, but now I'll get back to my second observation about the statement(s) in this video, using the phrase, "without question." That is just another false insert. I guarantee the stake president did not say, "People who did not obey were wrong and should have obeyed without question." That was just a lie. It is absent from the clips within the video. But I knew that was a lie even before I realized that the video is peppered with video clips from the stake president's remarks. There is no place that members were told to do anything, "without question." The video from the goofball member here keeps using the term, "blindly." There was no place where members were told to obey anything blindly. The VERY WORST that can be said is that the stake president was referring to the RECOMMENDATIONS about masking and vaccination. That no one EVER said "blindly," or "without question" AT ALL is evident from this First Presidency statement in January 2021: "Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination. In making that determination, we recommend that, where possible, they counsel with a competent medical professional about their personal circumstances and needs." So, again, "blindly," "without question," all of those claims are lies. Members of the Church ought not lie about their leaders. Ever. At all. And then the very next claim is, "an increased focus on living men and a legal incorporation." The "legal incorporation" bit is the funniest - he is speaking of the Church. Many people seem to think that it is somehow a bad thing that religious institutions - all the way in size from the Roman Catholic Church down to "First Bible Church of South Pixley" or whatever - incorporate for purposes of tax deductible contributions, buying and selling church property, hiring employees, having a bank account and all kinds of practical, daily, routine reasons. All of them. It's a fact that has nothing to do with anything, except that nuts and crackpots like to bring it up all the time. But let's get back to "an increased focus on living men." WHAT THE HECK? If this liar claims to be a member of the Church for any period of time at all, he should at least get that the Church is SUPPOSED TO BE "built on the foundation of the prophets and apostles, with Jesus Christ himself as cornerstone." Eph 2:20. And in fact it is fundamental to the Restored Gospel that those and all other priesthood offices have been restored; it is why and how the Lord can say, "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same." (D&C 1:38.) This is not some new invention, it is a fundamental part of the Lord's church. And I can't believe that this fellow was somehow in ignorance of it. But we know that the video is worthless for that reason alone.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

In your quest to be negative you somehow missed the entire purpose of the video. You bet $20 that the SP didn't say the words but I literally showed a video of him doing so. You focus on the word focus for no valid reason. You can focus on 2 different things, but then have one general focus, no? You then go on and on about "blindly" following the prophet and this is where you show your complete misunderstanding. The SP is saying those that didn't get the V were wrong and should repent so they can be right. How is this not blind obedience. He and the Seventy said essentially that we should obey, even if we don't want to, because we will be "blessed". You are clearly the wrong one in this situation. I understand you are emotionally invested in this. However you don't have to be. Accept truth and reject falsehoods.

@uncorrelatedmormonism 3 месяца назад

I also have identified myself multiple times in my videos and on my blog. My name is Patrick Morris, member of the Newport Ward, Sandpoint Idaho Stake. Truth always wins in the end. We can either align ourselves with the truth today or in the future, however the sooner we do so the easier it is.

@leightonanderson 3 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism No you literally did not literally do that so you are literally lying about that. Literally. Right here, you write to me, "the SP is saying ..." But you're wrong. I'm not interested in your interpretation, because you are making a statement that is contradicted by your own clips. So you owe me $20. You even say explicitly (4:15), "I believe what he is referring to." You believe. He DID NOT SAY "those who did not get the vaccine were wrong." And in fact the First Presidency statement on vaccination, which I quote for you above, emphasizes that it is a personal decision. Silly of you to gaslight me about being emotionally invested. I am talking about the actual Church, its actual doctrine, what it actually did and even what your stake president actually said, ALL OF WHICH is literally different from what you are literally claiming. Literally. So it has nothing to do with any "investment," it has to do with me asking you to stop lying. THAT's where you are in need of repentance. OK? Thanks.

@leightonanderson 3 месяца назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism Thanks for that. I didn't search your blog to learn your name. I think you are way out of line to be posting like this, by the way, and suggest that you make an appointment with your stake president to discuss it. Unless of course you already have met with him and he's already told you to cut this crap out. Then my suggestion is that you do that.

@leightonanderson 3 месяца назад

Speaking of stumbling blocks, let me mention. I learned about your video today on a Facebook page. It was posted by a bitter opponent of the Church. Your hateful messages are being used to attack faith in Jesus Christ. I hope you're happy to hear that. You should actually be ashamed.

@derrickcox7761 Месяц назад

Lies

@uncorrelatedmormonism Месяц назад

What is?

@derrickcox7761 Месяц назад

@@uncorrelatedmormonism All of it. "I the Lord will do nothing except through my servants the Prophets." Your insinuations about worshipping the prophet are from the devil, himself. We praise the Prophets, never have we worshipped any. I dust my feet off against you and your evil. May God bring his justice to you...soon.

@uncorrelatedmormonism Месяц назад

@@derrickcox7761 You must really dislike me. You do know that the scriptures don't actually say what you quoted. It seems you were trying to quote Amos 3:7 which also doesn't mean what you said it does. If you read Amos 2 and 3 in context then it means God will warn the people to repent, through prophets, before he destroys them. I don't claim to be a prophet, but I do call you to repent and return to God before he destroyed you and this entire civilization.