Pros SUCK at Defending Cannon Rushes! - StarCraft 2 

I mean, that video was just on PvP cannon rushes, for which they are by far the strongest. Vs T it's kinda bad bc of early marines and vs zerg as well because of creep. Usually cannon rushes are used vs Z to contain them and then kill with immortals or stargate.

Printf made me respect cannon rush. I still get bothered by it, but now I respect it.

i love how rocker abuses the meta and poor balance to get wins. FTFY

@@Konranjyoutai mad cuz bad. cope and seethe harder. game is balanced

@@shurik_skalolaz 4.9k is bad? huh.

@@Konranjyoutai yes

@@shurik_skalolaz lol. what mmr are you kid?

Definetly.

That's only because terran has is on easy mode vs canon rushes. Even if you make a fatal mistake, you can just lift and relocate.

@@Leonhart_93 not really at least at higher level the time spent flying is soooo long compared aginst better players however I do think it is easy mode due to fast marines however there are a lot of cheeses that work great

@@logancraft1883 Vs canon rushes it is easy mode. A chance to lift your buildings around to save them while the others are dead then and there. Also repairs can buy a lot of time while the others just have to take it. Easier wall offs on the high ground and mules in case you are behind in scvs is also really good. It's crazy how many advantages terrans have vs cannon rushes, they have to be way worse than the opponent to lose under those conditions. In silver league they may lose still vs cannon rushes as they are clueless to those advantages.

@@Leonhart_93 Well said! Both make good points but I get it. That is just A LOT of advantages.

Glad you enjoyed it!

unless they wall you in

When one makes their living off of SC, they don't like to take risks or deviate from what they know works. Cheese/rush/early all-in builds are considered to be too risky, since if defended against, it's usually gg right there. And even if they're initially successful, they often struggle with follow-ups since they don't practice the cheese builds much Few in the pro circuit have the balls to take those kind of risks as a result

Korean players in particular are not great at dealing with cheese. Koreans tend to be extremely mechanically adept, getting their timings and build orders perfect, but when their opponent doesn't follow the same concept (macro into deathball), their brains short-circuit.

Yeah he hasn't been doing as many recently but is still one of the most feared pro cannon rushers

haven't seen his cannon rush defense lately, I imagine with all his beating GMs with stupid stuff practice he's pretty good at adapting! He's also the OG pro to pay cannon rushers for coaching to teach him the nasty spots back in the day!

I think you have to use the probes to block the pylons before they get placed.

I think you should after pulling the first couple probes to take out the pylon next to the ramp send one on a patrol path behind mineral line (or most likely spot for cannons to be on that map) to block placement as much as possible to avoid a wall off attempt. Not an expert tho and that is certainly a lot to handle in a 5 sec window.

You either need to be so close a pylon can't be placed. Or you notice the probe handing there you send another probe our before the 2nd and 3rd pylons are placed

You need to make sure you get in a blocking probe when its behind your minerals.

You just block with a worker.

The enemy will not be mining efficiently because they pulling workers to deal with the rush. So the investment can pay off suprisingly fast. Even if they bail and build a nexus elsewhere, they're not going to be mining at all until the second nexus is up giving the cannon rusher the economic and timing advantage. And rushes happen too fast to get 2 zealots out typically

If you know about that spot you must send a probe or two to patrol that spot.

its very stoppable. its just pros don't respect it. if you look at mid gm or high gm they stop cannon rushes way better.

This is the problem with people at low levels of play. Cannon rushes are absolutely stoppable, and pros can stop them, they just don't because they either don't respect it, or are out of practice since it's a super rare thing to see past a certain MMR.

Agree with them being unfun, hard disagree with them being unstoppable. If they were anywhere near unstoppable, we'd see them in half of the pro games involving Toss. I can win against cannon rushes. The problem is that, even if I win, it isn't fun.

@@nanowasabi4421 I think you misunderstood on that one - I just meant the first game in this series had a nearly unstoppable cannon rush. I frequently have no trouble stopping cannon rushes against non-smurfs and "occasional" cheesers. What I don't like is that even scouting it doesn't guarentee a win, because they often force you to pull so many resource gatherers that you can't defend whatever their follow up is either. And if you don't pull enough you just lose right then and there. I don't like it because the counter is "perfect scv/probe/drone micro AND hope they mess up somewhere, and hope they mess up early enough in the process that you're not a dead man walking." Its basically the only strat that can be put into effect before you can pop out actual offensive units. But its not unstoppable.

rocker is not low skill he also plays macro at the same level. hw just uses his reputation to find holes in people's play

Also it doesn't waste much time cannon rush games are over in like 5 min.

There's no way Rocker beats Creator in macro game series. He probably wouldn't even qualify for GSL

@@WilliamDunn1 doesn't mean he is low skill who got high on ladder with cannons. Come on now - so would the overwhelming majority of GM on every server. Don't potshot ppl who are way way better than you. Toodles!

Just gonna say he is not a pure cannon rusher. Chill the hate boner

wtf is this a salt mines play or something

also understanding

There's definitely more "real time" to SC2 than "strategy".

@@allanshpeley4284 really not true

If it was slowed down 50x nobody would play the game at all, lol. What you're saying is equivalent to "if we moved the targets to just 1 foot away, beginners will be just as accurate as experts". Also keep in mind that thinking of tactics and strategy on the fly is an important aspect of the game as well. Slowing down the game would give more time to think too, not just for actions.

@@MsHojat I said it " (if the game was 50x slower it'd also suck but that's not the point =p) " I'm aware it would be a shit game, it's just a thought experiment. My point is that it's a strategy game where I'm often fairly unimpressed by the strategical capabilities of most of the best players (most not all). I know the game has more nuances and being real time adds unique challenges. Though I just kinda wish the best of the best would blow our mind more often with unique strategy or smart adaptation to a chaotic situation and less often with "woah they clicked so good". But I realized that's a personal preference.