Proving Pelé Was 100x Better Than You Think 

loving it, but can u do a Benjamin Mendy one? as im a city fan

Do what happened to varane pls and give me shoutout

If it wasn't for Pele we wouldn't be here talking about football; Football at his time was obviously different, playing against clubs while at the National team was common place. Friendlies were never truly friendly. The man is a LEGEND!

@@TCGTales HE IS THE GOAT

This documentary is a fraud, you hate Pele bro

I'm humbled by your observation. I'm sure Pele would be also.

Thank you I didnt get to see him play but I had his video the master and his method, I watched it daily multiple times and his career already ended and I had been watching the new man united Beckam era who was great to watch, but I was convinced I had seen the king of football and no one has even come close

It coming from an english guy who saw him on the pitch just shows that the chances of him being the goat is almost 100%.

I'm too young I only grew up watching Messi and Ronaldo. Pele and Messi are the greatest but not sure who's better.

Pressing X to doubt Pele ever said Best was better than himself.

Well Pele has compared Di Stefano, Maradona and Messi. And said if you can't say who is Argentina's best player how you can say some of them is the greatest...meaning he thinks he is the best.

@@MultiJejje He has a point though

@@MultiJejje he is

@@l.b.9567 But you didn't have a point. Original comment by Pele was not to compare...but then he does this himself lol.

@@rafacaze read all comments, carefully my friend

True, and today you can’t touch the player ... The Referee is right there, you have 200 cameras... Watch a video called “Asi marcaban a Pele”

The greatest

@@DizzyMakavelli By the same token you place Maradona with the rules of today and there would not be even a reason to play the game.

@@navsofour2892 Young Maradona would destroy even more than Pele today, and I don’t even like Argentina.

He'd just be at the club hotel taking Viagra all day

Just because he's black and never played in Europe. Now they're doubting him

Only football fans underrate him cause they know facts. Overall he has good reputation worldwide

@@djentobreakfastbreakfast8820 you may have a few people who don’t like pele because of his skin color but let’s not assume everyone who thinks pele is overrated is a racist… di stefano was white, won 5 european cups & still disrespected by lots of people today because of the time he played in…

@@djentobreakfastbreakfast8820 I think the real reason is there is very little footage or stats about him .

@@djentobreakfastbreakfast8820 fr

Sure, we'll just take some 11 y/o kids word for it. GTFOH gramps.... he's the most OVERRATED of all time. Take a hike with your opinion.

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 The disrespect tells me exactly who you are.

@@l.b.9567 Ignore the troll.

Actually comparing players of different eras is not just unfair but it is criminal the challanges scenarios change dramatically....... Pale is a legend... Let's enjoy and celebrate his skill and talent and also not belittle others as well... Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄

@@l.b.9567 No, it doesn't tell you who I am. All it shows is that I have no yearn to sugarcoat things when I'm dealing with morons.

And then they say that wasn’t an official FIFA goal and say cr7 scored more goals.

We have! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Tr93j7Jxork.html&ab_channel=retrofutbol58

George Best is a joke here in Brazil

Nobody is trying to change history, genius. We just realize he isn't the goat, but the most overrated player ever.

Pele was trying to change the history, not us. He's not that great. Brazil can win the World Cup without him back then.

@Tommy Stark Guiness World Records already put in 2013 that Pelé was the greatest goalscorer in al history with 1279 goals in 1363 matches.

60s also

I think this a way for europeans trying to find a substitute for Pelé, a black person being the best for over 60 years.

@@IntellectuallySuperior2U I agree in everything you've said, I'd like just to add another point that I feel you left it out. At the time of Pele, the information, video and data of players overseas were lacking. The first few matches in Europe he could have been a surprise for defenders, half of season after they would have learned his way of playing and built a more efficient way to stop him. Unfortunately we'll never know, if IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas 😉

@@IntellectuallySuperior2U Just to remember Pelé and Santos, other Brazilian's and South American team's destroyed European teams in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 90s, in 70% or 80% of the matches. brazil was champion of the world cup 3 times only with players who played in brazil, the best in the world played here 🇧🇷

​@@IntellectuallySuperior2U Why in the world would Pelé ever play in Europe? South America championships had more talent than Europe back then, just look at how easily Pelé's Santos destroyed almost every top european team they ever played against. He didn't go because there was no point in going.

@@IntellectuallySuperior2U The amount of lies that you have told in this one comment is astounding. First of all you said that most of footballing greats say messi is the best but the fact is that none of them has watched Pele play, you just completely disregarded the people who call Pele the greatest as old timers but if you really want to get the best perspective then you have to take the opinions of people who has watched both Messi and Pele play during their lifetime. Most of these people will say Pele was better, if you don't believe me then watch this video named "100 people talk about Pelé". Two of the things you said in these long comment contradicts each other. First you said Pele's achievements with the national team are underwhelming because he always played in the 'stacked team' ok but then later in your comment you said that Pelé never played in europe thus makes his club career not so great but you didn't realise the fact that almost all of his national teammates played against him on the club level in brazil. Which made the level of competition in brazil very good.

@L'existence Précède L'essence. Va te faire foutre. You do not play, and it shows. Let's begin with what the best players say..it's Pele all say bar one Lionel Messi, a player with no right and barely any headed goals. He keeps silent not because he has anything to match with Pele, but because by hiding he hopes to accumulate something with which to challenge Pele's achievements. What's to hide?! Why the silence? How long to wait?! Let's move to eras. Last week I saw Messi beg a penalty because a keeper's hand unintentionally touched his face. In Pele's era as pointed out in this balanced presentation, Pele was fouled 4x more than the most fouled currently, no cards, no subs. As for conditions, I've played in snow and waterlogged pitches, professionals refuse to play on now. Pele could play in any era,how many could play in his? Conditioning merely brings out the best in players. Current conditioning akin to the conditioning boxers of Pele's era undertook for 15 rounds, as opposed to today's 12. Just as no boxer today equals Sugar Ray Robinson, no player today equals Pele. To equal Pele a player needs a heavy shot in the three shooting techniques, with either foot. A player needs impeccable heading ability, chest, thighs, heels and ability to self-correct following impacts and challenges. A player needs improvisational abilities that bring new possibilities into football equal to what Pele brought. One-twos played off opponents? Only Pele ever did it..and so on. The arguments against Pele began with the appearance of Cruyff. Notwithstanding Cruyff playing in teams equally talented as any Pele starred in, Cruyff was the first to acknowledge who was better. Cruyff did have two good feet and was great in the air, played in the category of De Stefano and Zidane..all three better than Messi. The arguments then shifted to Maradona, a single-footed maestro of which many are from South America. Maradona again acknowledged who was better but so did both Argentine World Cup winning managers. Pele at 17 in a World Cup winning squad, Maradona at 17 ,not. Pele at 21 in a virtually unchanged squad 4yrs later, as was Maradona. One squad good enough to retain title without it's talisman, the other unable to retain title with its talisman; Maradona to the 86 team what Garrincha was to the 62 team. The crux of my argument is a thing only players understand: Maradona and Messi benefitting from low centres of gravity. Pele the only player ever able to change centre of gravity during play. In the 2nd leg of the World Club Cup against Benfica, Pele's 2nd goal was of this quality. He did the same in the World Cup earlier that year in his unsurpassed goal (in my opinion) vs Mexico. This goal is the only goal you will ever see, scored by a player from standstill, going through two lines of four on a diagonal run directly towards goal. Messi could not score such a goal. R9 would have needed another distracting runner and Maradona scored his greatest goals against broken defences following turnover ball. Pele had the Di Stefano AND Maradona category skillsets, plus the pace and power of Mbappe. I believe your intention was to muddy the waters through which the greatest are evaluated. What betrays you is your own playing experience. To score a goal among the finest of Pele's is the pinnacle of any player's career, not so Messi. Messi could not complete the hattrick Pele scored in 58 vs France: the ball he received on his thigh and transferred to shoot, is the most difficult to convert as the player must rise with the ball to kill it. All this is lost on you because you've never had to execute such technique..such never even entered your head. But why are we debating Pele's technique when those able to thwart such became World renowned as a result? Bobby Moore thwarted Pele in 70, and is rightly considered the greatest England defender as a result. Gordon Banks saved the perfect header..Why use mealy-mouthed arguments leading nowhere when the pinnacle of Pele bars your path in every direction? If you were doing so out of a sense of injustice, you might argue against the imponderables touched upon in this presentation, but you don't. Your mud is composed of denigration, delegitimisation and denial. Is Messi's left better than Pele's left? No, is his right anywhere near Pele's right? No. Was Messi at 17 better than Pele at 17? No. Has Messi played in teams as talented as Santos or Brazil? Yes. Was 2006 Argentina elevated by Messi vs Germany? No. Was Messi able to win Champion's League minus Xavi and Iniesta? No. There you have the answer to your nonsense! Such are the situations fate reserves for those contending to be the best. Messi entered World Cup folklore against Serbia alongside a stellar team in 2006. 16 years later he still strives to make good his promise.. The intervening years a post-Zidane interregnum. Now the baton has passed to Mbappe or maybe another will emerge in Qatar, but none will surmount the insursurmountable Pele, as the pinnacle of footballing possibilities. I'll leave you with this footage. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-45xQCnsqCFk.html Not quite La Battalia Bonbonera of '69, but sufficient for Santos to number among teams refusing to contest this trophy. Pele won this trophy in the teeth of hostility. Could the man who's face was last week touched, brave such a field? No. And that is why he cannot compare with Pele. Enjoy! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-45xQCnsqCFk.html

Maradona was something else, hermano. He is not in the same shelf of the rest. Maybe Messi will build one for himself too, just like Maradona and Pelé did. Good luck at the final. Besos de Brasil.

he’s a fraud

Back in 1950s and 60s balls were made of leather and were heavy and they did not travel in the air fast these days balls made of polymer which are more lighter and travel in the air fast very difficult for goalkeepers to stop a good strike

@@PACEMAKER.313 you can control the ball easier when it is a little bit heavier since you can tap it harder without it moving as far

@@ventraaaaI Just like your pidol pessi and pendu

GOAT of overratedness

@@Neil-pf3pkMaybe get some CDs of his matches and watch them and then you can start talking

so true

Or Jimi Hendrix to the guitar.

@@wloonie Or tony hawk to skateboarding.

I think he is much more like wilt chamberlain than mj. Mj played in a much modern version of basketball, and most fans still consider him as the best basketball players ever. Meanwhile, fans overlook wilt, because he played in the earliest era of nba, and doubt that he could dominate modern nba with its complexity. His story is becoming a myth, some believe it, some don't. Just like Pele's story.

@@gmvol5335 you dont skate do you? Hawk is def not the Pele of skateboarding. Try Rodney Mullen

That's the point: he changed the game forever

Beautifully said.....💚⚽️💚

Maradona???

@@PhillyTJ no Boludos allowed

@@PhillyTJ NO

@@PhillyTJ Maradona won 1 world cup and cheated to do it. He don't deserve to lick the dog poo off Pele's boots. And Maradona's career ended in drug-addicted disgrace.

@@bayouflier6641 Who is the goat?

Meaning he had no competition , like Messi and Ronaldo?

@@leroyg2312 Zidane?

@@pumalogo204 messi>

Idiots always using that "ahead of his time" nonsense and don't even know what it means. Overrated players will never be king.

This is your explanation? 🙄 He played in Brasil and US, so....

gullit beckenbaur were clearly more complete

@@gourmondal5812 yeah keep dreaming mate!

Pele only faced 16 teams in his generation...I would love to see him with 24 teams by 82 and 32 teams in 98...😁😁😁

@Atlantis Rising Podcast good comeback 😂😂🤣

@atlantisrisingpodcast9796 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏

Because it doesn't matter, he played in an era with few good players a lot of those matches were not even official, today you have Messi dominating over a decade against the most amount and best prepared players ever and even then he already surpassed Peles made up records. But even before that when people choose the player of the century it was Maradona, then Fifa again made up some award and gave it to Pele so he can look good.

@@ginebro1930 the thing is football in that era, was not globalized. So the best played in their country. Here in Brazil, a lot of teams in that era had monster players. Teams that today not even play 4th division football. And you can say the same for Uruguay, Argentina, Germany, Italy even the USSR. The local club in the the suburb of Rio de Janeiro where I live struggle to even play these day, but back in the 60´s they toured Europe and beat teams like Benfica and even them, they were not even in the top 10 teams of the nation. To understand football in that era, you need to put aside the football you know today and think what the Premier league would look like with mostly english players and what the Argentina league would look like through the decades, with Maradona, Batistuta, Messi, Veron and etc.

Touring around the world playing village teams……

@@ginebro1930 When Messi wins a world cup you can include him in the conversation. Men who use drugs to enhance their endurance cannot be considered the goat

@@N17-o2r how about touring around the world beating the best teams everywhere.

This should be a fixed comment.

You eviscerated the maker of this video. All facts. It's wild that Europeans downplay South American players when their best clubs bring them all on their teams and they are usually the best players. Especially the case for Brazil. Now put all the best Brazilian players and make them all play in Brazilian clubs then ofc the competition was incredible. It's incredibly annoying seeing so many people trying to downplay Pele.

No lol. Football was way more competitive during Cruijff’s time and football’s peak was around 1998-2012. Then it was again really competitive until covid started sh*ting everywhere

@@Messiiiiuuuuuu10 Without Pele, a superstar, the first athlete in U.S sports to get a multimillion dollar contract, without his STAR power, football as you know would not exist...Sure keep your ignorance intact...

@@TCGTales I disagree but ok

@@TCGTales my guy he is talking about competitive, which if you actually think that in 50s and 60s was the most competitive football ever then you might need to check yourself in a mental hospital

@@trollinape2697 I would like to know why you disagree

And Brazil the only country who won World Cup in Europe and Europe never won World Cup in Latin America in very recently Germany did it in Brazil.

Golden balls until like the 90's was only for europeans, that changed but very later on, France Football did a "corection" list if the golden ball was given to all players insteaf of only europeans, in total pelé won 8 in the list

@@SoppadaSoupp you are confusing the world cup golden ball with the ballon d'or. But you are indeed correct

@@carlosvg2286 Thank you lad, my bad great comment!

Vini is scoring and assisting in every match

Addition: Argentinans want to steal GOAT for their players.

No.

Evil agenda ? Lol. Or maybe they just have a different opinion to you, dunce

he is a legend definitely not the goat

@@gourmondal5812 He is the goat. No other player have 3 world cup under their belt.

Yeah ok kid 😂🤦🏼

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 my guy use emoji what you mean kid goofy ass touch some grass

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 ??

​@@liberatedentrepreneur149watch more football sir

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 mbappe literally tried to dribble the goalkeeper without touching the ball as pelé

You forgot to mention Jarzinho. Bro's name was the tornado.

@@hood_smurf6831 he was not in the 58 and 62 teams .

didi was the star player for the 1958 world cup, garrincha 1962, and you can make a case for jairzinho in 1970 but pele takes the cake.

@@mor4665 pele was 18 in the 58 wc tho. He still was crucial in the world cup. Without his goals and assists brazil weren't winning the world cup.

@@Yeahagreed those assists and goals would mean nothing if didi wasn’t playing midfield…. that’s like saying discrediting modric’s 2018 world cup because mandzukic had more goals…..

@@wesbyEric mo I was just saying he was when I was a kid. Of course I followed some of the Cosmos players before the league went down at the time. My actual criteria is how much winning they did and how many records they set or if they were the best in their era. If they changed the sport? Pele checked those boxes. The only player to be a part of 3 world cup winners. He almost won 4 but according to something I read a bad call by a referee screwed him in 1966.

best of all time, is still the same goat

..and never played in Europe! 😂

@patmctallica3522 So? He wanted to go but Santos didn't want him to leave. Also European soccer wasn't that big of a deal as it is now. You really can't compare eras.

@@stevenattias1803 Destiny, right? Thats right, comparing eras is difficult! ...and to be told all those Pele fans here, who thinks Pele is the GOAT, and there was no competition since than! 🤦‍♂

I'm more of a fan than you and I know he's overrated. Not the goat in any sense of the word. Now take a hike, kid.

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 Pele's career goal tally at 1,281 goals in 1,363 games. Has anyone else matched that? no so shush. Pele's world cups 3, Ronaldo's world cups 0, Messi's world cups 1, Maradona's world cups 2. If you don't think he's the goat then you aren't the football fan buddy. I've been a football fan for 36 years since i was 4. And you have got to remember that football was harder back then as not as much fouls were given and players were more aggressive in tackles or 1v1 situations, and the gear and balls were heavier and harder to use as they did not have the materials that they have today. 🤣🤣 you make me laugh at how uneducated you are at football. LMAO!

...of his time! Players were diffrent, trained at that time! Not to compare nowadays. No, we do know who is the real GOAT, right? Dont we? Any hint needed, or.....

@@patmctallica3522 🤣🤣your funny!

@@maxlivingstone9087 WOW! The whole world is crazy, exept you, right? 😂 🤦‍♂

In 1965 vs Prudentina Pelé was challenged by the opposing crowd… Pelé then went on to score 8 goals, 3 which were disallowed. After the match Pelé showed his 5 fingers to the public and to the fans of Prudentina who challenged him.

Vc copiou e colou o que eu escrevi em outro vídeo

@@LeonardoGuerreiro Yes my friend, i liked you’re comment.

Those were all charity and unauthorised by fifa matches

@@ayanbhattacharjee1076 that's false not all of them were charity matches or friendlies.

Laws of the games is pretty simple, isnt't it? But in reality it's almost impossible to rely on human eyes to see an offside or 'ghost' goal without VAR. But it's controversy actually makes it more fun to watch. There's gonna be lifetime bantering between fans. Lots of what ifs and if onlys. My comment might be off topic but I don't mean to disagree to anything you said. Cheers.

But still rule was restrictive. Like even in same line of 2 nd last would be considered offside during 1970 and even the person who is in offside and even though he is not involved in playing would be considered offside for whole team. So goal scoring was still tough. Also goalkeeper had all rights to take ball from hand even if it was passed by same team mate.

Na época do Pelé aqui Brasil você não aguentaria ficar em campo 10 minutos de tanta porrada que você ia levar,e o adversário não iria tomar nenhum cartão...

god* pele can not be compared to God

Todos os 1283 gols de Pelé foram registrada em súmula do juíz da partida. Tem a lista de todos os jogos e gols de Pelé disponível na Internet. Quando Pelé marcou o gol mil em 1969, a FIFA emitiu certificado à Pelé, reconhecendo os 1000 gols

OOF taht will be interesting then

Non sense. Do you even know what backyards goals are? Pele was the main face of football that time & there was not much tournaments like present. That's why they travel the world & played against all european giants. What you are calling backyards goals that's actually scored against Madrid, Milan,United,Ajax & all big big clubs that time. His goal ratio was above 1 against all european giants that time. He was better than Messi/Ron anyday.What he invented 60 years ago then rest of all used it in their game.😁 If you want prove visit a channel called "Bella Kona".

@@LeonardoGuerreiro mas nos na europa nao contamos os golos em amistosos do messi nem do ronaldo o ronaldo por exemplo tem 800 golos em clubes e selecoes e nao contamos os golos que ele marcou em amistosos nem na sua epoca de juvenil etc.. o que vcs brasileiros fazem com pele é uma piada... ele nao é o melhor jogador de todos os tempos foi um grande jogador sem duvida alguma mas muito longe de ser o melhor porque o melhor de todos é o messi por muito que vcs fiquem chateados...

@@hugosilva3916 Vcs contavam gols amistosos sim! Deixaram de contar por causa de jornalistas, que quando surgiu a internet, ao fazer site de clubes, buscaram os campeonatos para contabilizar os gols. Isto porque é mais fácil encontrar gols em campeonatos, do que esporádicos em "amistosos". Os amistosos de seleções hoje valem como oficiais, assim como os amistosos de clubes valiam como oficiais no passado. Antigamente não existia muitos torneios e os times organizavam partidas entre si, era a realidade e critérios da época. No Brasil os torneios duravam 4 meses ao ano, depois vinha a temporada de amistosos que fazia parte do calendário; as excursões do Santos, era com aval das federações e da FIFA. Para ser oficial não tinha que ser em torneios, era só obedecer as regras do futebol e ter súmula, tal qual os jogos de seleções, onde os amistosos são oficiais. Essa narrativa de gols oficiais/amistosos, surgiu nos anos 2000, com puro anacronismo tolo, antes ninguém cogitava isto. Quando Pelé marcou o gol 1000, a FIFA expediu certificado à Pelé, mas hoje vcs falam que não marcou mil gols. O problema de vcs é racismo, xenofobia. ... Pelé quando jogou na Europa, destruiu os europeus e vcs não suportam um negro ser o rei do futebol.

Different time

That one... actually completely make sense!

Pelé is the God of Football. Messi, CR7, Maradona, and all the other great players can come close, but they are minor gods in the Pantheon of Football. The God of gods in Football is Pelé.

SCREAMING

Bro chose the wrong profession. Easily coulda been a bank manager, or started a business bro.

Best comment!!

Gracias. Couldn`t have said it any better.

Doesn't matter if you're Mexican or "lived" in that era. What were you, 4 when Pele was playing ? I doubt you were even around then. He's the most overrated player of all time. Deal with it.

bro just wrote this in every single comment@@liberatedentrepreneur149

But still rule was restrictive. Like even in same line of 2 nd last would be considered offside during 1970 and even the person who is in offside and even though he is not involved in playing would be considered offside for whole team. So goal scoring was still tough. Also goalkeeper had all rights to take ball from hand even if it was passed by same team mate.

Robinho the Raypissed ?

@@N17-o2r Nah Robinho the Great

we were kid back then and thought that he won 3 wc by himself which is ofc false but he was surely the goat of his generation

@@gourmondal5812 Pele still the GOAT and he was ahead of his time doing some of the crazy performances which is still timeless

@@TheSub-SaharanAmericanLegend if you are talking about performances then maradona is the goat in terms of stats pele is better

Farmers league

@@N17-o2r Nobody else was hitting those numbers. And actually back then the best Brazilian teams quite often beat the European superpowers.

@@kevinb9830 I scored 2000 goals against my 5yo cousin also

@@N17-o2r Ask those who played against him. They might know more than you.

@@kevinb9830 I did already. I asked my grandad, who come up against Pele back in 1965, when my grandad was playing for his local village pub team, the Royal Oak. He did say Pele scored a hat-trick that day though. 3 of the 1000 👍 my grandma still unhappy about that, as she was in goal

And still overrated.

thanks man

What people said about say about Messi today they said same about Pele 60 years ago. Pele did things that people today do but people think these guys did it first

@@gmain1977 what about maradona?

Yeah, technology and science will turn people into superhumans, alright. Everyone is going to worship the god they desire. Good luck with your god!

Just watch the proper video of him and see the ridiculous goals.. chips, overheads, dribbles, both feet. It’s enough to assess him versus todays players who can’t do those things.

Nope.

@@is17a985 Yup

Yes

Yea, who cares if Ronaldo or Messi scores over 700 goals, they're just players, they should just focus on winning for their clubs and country.

its pele himself who's emphasized the 1000k goals lol

apparently everyone doesn't care except pele

@Atlantis Rising Podcast it wasnt pele huh? pele himself said it with his own mouth, verbatim, "I scored 1000k goals"

@@aiya5777 romario has 1003 goals counted in his career when he played for fluminense he had 900 he scored 1003 in vasco da gama

it was really only 5 years, and it was because the brazilians protested that only national champions were allowed to compete in the copa libertadores & not the runner-ups. they also opted for tours around the world.

@@mor4665 O seu eurocentrismo bloqueia sua inteligência. O que você escreveu não tem nada haver. Antigamente não existia patrocinadores, verba publicitária, direitos de imagem... então os times só ganhavam dinheiro, jogando. Só que a Libertadores não dava dinheiro suficiente, não cobria custos e por isto os campeões brasileiros (Santos, Palmeiras, Botafogo) não participaram. Jogos amistosos e oficiais antigamente tinham o mesmo valor, e vários times brasileiros excurcionavam pelo mundo. Esta era a única forma das pessoas verem os grandes jogadores, não existia internet e poucas pessoas tinham TV no mundo. Pelé foi a globalização do futebol

@@LeonardoGuerreiro how are you going to say what i wrote had nothing to do with it, and then go on to say brazilian clubs went on tour… that’s literally what i just typed…. & as for the runners-up part, that part is completely true. it may not be the entire reason, but it’s true. it was also only 5 years.

@@mor4665 Errado! O Brasil começou a dar importância à Libertadores, somente na década de 1990! Especificamente com a vitória do São Paulo em 1992. Foi por isto que os times brasileiros só começaram a vencer as Libertadores a partir da década de 90, antes disto, só tinha 2 títulos, os do Santos. A Liga Brasileira antigamente era a melhor do mundo, o brasileiro não dava importância aos campeonatos internacionais de clubes, os jogos internos tinham mais relevância e por isto, muitos campeões brasileiros não jogaram Libertadores, jogavam no lugar times que não eram campeões. Jogar Libertadores nao fazia sentido! Não dava dinheiro, era violento, o sistema de transportes eram precários; era como viajar para jogar futebol em Marte. Você é muito anacrônico! O campeonato mais importante antigamente, era o Campeonato Paulista e o mais difícil era o Troféu Rio-são paulo. Não use a Libertadores como argumento, elas não eram valorizadas como hoje, times brasileiros fazerem "amistosos" entre cidades vizinhas era mais importante que Libertadores

@@LeonardoGuerreiro i thought every match back then was as important??

pelo jeito que ele falou libertadores eu acho que ele e português po

Ele e português bicho

So humble of them.

@@Morningstar-sg7js what can we say? its not wrong.

@@Morningstar-sg7js Messi is the player in activity and one of the best in this World Cup. See what I did here?

@Andre Luis Spricigo Messi is not the best player in the world cup. In this world cup of 2022 Luka Modric is the best.

No need. Top 5 teams in the world were probably brazilian at that time.

@@lebarbosa9778 😂😂😂 funny joke

You don't have to entertain white people to be great

Brazilian clubs at that time were among the best in the world, as all of the Brazilian national team played in Brazil. It was not necessary to play in Europe, Pelé beat them in the world cup and intercontinental.

@@N17-o2r Heard of Jose Altafini? HE was displaced by Pele in 1958 and came to Series A where he dominated. End of.

hes done everything messi and cr7 did.

@@DaddyAZTL overrated

@@ronaldomontero3624 he did every skull messi and cr7 did. Go watch " pele how unreal how uncomparable" video in RU-vid. dude is literally the 🐐. He's 50 footballers in one. It's actually crazy to see him do everything

@@DaddyAZTL Pele played in Europe?

@@is17a985 in pele time Europe was weaker than brazilian league. Also he played against European teams scoring a goal a game. In "friendlies" that for there time were taken as serious.

Speak your shit brah! Pele #1

yeah he's on my list... poor guy

He's the most overrated of all time... it's not even a question See how that works ?

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 No

@@chrisgaming517 Yes

@@liberatedentrepreneur149 no

no give an argument@@liberatedentrepreneur149

Well he just died. 🙄

Era outros tempos, existiu até mesmo Campeonato Sulamericano Militar, onde a Seleção Brasileira Militar venceu a Seleção Argentina Militar, na final

He was great in one. Injured during the second. And was part of an all great Brazilian team at the twilight of his career in 1970. Pele deserves respect, but we need to retrospectively analyse his career and achievements without nostalgia bias.

@@sergelondon916 he was good in 58 and 70, sad that he was injured in 62, he would be even better

@@sergelondon916 He was kicked out of the world cup in 1966 before the last group game which resulted in him seriously considering giving up on football all together due the rough challenges he consistently faced every game, this is something people fail to mention. Messi on the other hand failed to be extraordinary against physical teams hence the reason why he always struggled against the 2004-2012 chelsea fc

Non sense. Do you even know what backyards goals are? Pele was the main face of football that time & there was not much tournaments like present. That's why they travel the world & played against all european giants. What you are calling backyards goals that's actually scored against Madrid, Milan,United,Ajax & all big big clubs that time. His goal ratio was above 1 against all european giants that time. He was better than Messi/Ron anyday.What he invented 60 years ago then rest of all used it in their game.😁 If you want prove visit a channel called "Bella Kona".

@@asifiqbal-Relentless that channel is EXTREMELY bias towards Pele and his videos don't prove anything

@@marcysai146 Wtf are you talking? That guy gave you all the prove you need that how Pele did every single things what today's players are doing. Pele is the greatest & It's a fact

@@asifiqbal-Relentless European giants? Those were all non league and extremely low tier teams. Many of those team names were similar to Europe giants (He scored 7 or 8 against a team named Juventus , however, that wasn't the real Juventus but just a non league team consisting of navy merchants) but in reality the teams consisted of amateur players working in other jobs.

@@asifiqbal-Relentless I would suggest you to do your own research instead of hearing opinions of people on RU-vid.

i respect pele but i don't like him, hes a legend but you can tell the man does not know when someone is better or breaks a record, like my guy players pass you in things be glad that it took 2 of the best scorer ever to break your record but he instead he decided to make up some bs number, if he had released it before then it would be fine but instead he got mad that they broke hes record

@@sky3down367 Pelé didn't invent goals. In Pelé's era, official goals wasn't really a well-established concept, and even competitions like UCL and Libertadores (the south-american equivalent to the UCL) were still very young. Friendlies and unofficial competition could be valuable, and many of Pelé's goals in "friendlies" are against far stronger opposition than some of his official goals (there were weak teams in Brazil and in São Paulo's state championship, of course, like there are weak teams in each league today, but Pelé's stats and performances against pretty much every great team you can think of from football back then are also fantastic, he stat-padded against EVERYONE!). Pelé played against the entire european elite, and Santos, Pelé's club, actually abdicated from playing Libertadores after 1964 for the rest of decade because international tours were much more lucrative! The video fumbles in two things though: 1-Jairzinho wasn't the top-scorer in the 1970 World Cup. He was Brazil's top-scorer, with 7 goals in 6 games, and also scoring in every match (a feat no one has repeated since). But Gerd Müller was the top-scorer of the competition, with 10 goals. 2-The offside rule in Pelé's era was indeed more restrictive than the current one. But it's not because in Pelé's era, you had to have two players in front of you, while "today is only one". No, it's still two. The reason why the rule was harsher is because any offside player, even if not participating at all, could still cause a whole play to be ruled out as offside. I'll give you an example using Milan 5-0 Real Madrid in 1988/89 UCL semifinals, second leg. Real Madrid had over 20 offsides in that game, and the legendary Sacchi's Milan team showed total mastery of how to exploit the offside rule back then to its limits. Look at 24:00 of the video below. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T6R0-8Sy98I.html Also, same line was offside, not onside as it is stated in the current rule. If anyone wants to know more details, and check out themselves Pelé's numbers against european teams, and even more detailed research on Pelé's career, you can't miss out on this Twitter page. An insane amount of research. mobile.twitter.com/selecaotalk/status/1251863371168788485 Also, check out Bella Kona's channel. By far the biggest RU-vid channel of Pelé footage. Let's not forget, but people sadly forget, that Pelé was truly an amazing ATHLETE! He helped revolutionize the sport, and he was insanely perfectionist in how well he took care of his health and training. He was physically and genetically privileged, could run 100 meters in less than 11 seconds, and was a true freak of nature overall. At his peak, mainly in the early to mid-60s, a ruthless competitive machine of 100% objectivity and insane skills that could even bulldoze past defenders in strong physical duels if necessary. More details on Pelé's amazing athletic atributes here. mobile.twitter.com/SelecaoTalk/status/1251890364207771650 And don't forget that Brazil won three World Cups in 12 years, and everyone in those teams was playing for a brazilian club! Overall, there can be zero doubt that Pelé is indeed a GOAT of this sport. I won't discuss here if he is greater than Messi or not, as I don't think there can be an absolute GOAT. But there can be a GOAT category, and Pelé and Messi are undoubtedly there, on the exact same tier. They should be in any Top 3 of greatest players in football history! I hope someday that all the ignorance and bullshit regarding Pelé that is still being spread online can finally stop. It's so, so unfair and disrespectful. I also recommend this Michael Cox article from The Guardian, though he makes mistakes regarding the brazilian state championships. Brazil wasn’t/is broken down in four regions, each state had/has its championship, but the clubs from the São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro states concentrated the vast majority of the talent, and there was even a Rio-São Paulo tournament as well. The big exception to the "rule" of talent being concentrated in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro's clubs was Cruzeiro from the state of Minas Gerais, they won Taça Brasil in 1966 (there wasn't a brazilian league per se back then, Brazil's size, poor infra-structure and logistics made that impossible, so Taça Brasil was the closest to that, it was a very short KO tournament), beating Pelé's Santos in the finals in truly legendary fashion (6-2 in the first leg, 3-2 in the second), ending Santos' hegemony of five titles of Taça Brasil in a row. Coming back to the article though, Michael Cox is spot-on when it comes to the many unfair complaints thrown at Pelé, and also how the contexts of different eras can be so wildly different that stats' comparisons are ultimately unfair. theathletic.com/3185136/2022/03/16/individual-scoring-records-which-goals-count-who-on-earth-is-bican-and-what-about-pele/ The article is behind a paywall, so I'll quote the most important points. "Let’s start with Pele. In recent years, his goalscoring record has come to be mocked for various reasons, in part because his figure of 1,279 includes matches scored in youth matches, state competition matches and friendlies. Few of those goals were scored in youth competitions. It’s worth remembering that Pele was playing in Santos’ first team by the age of 15 and for Brazil by the age of 17. The concept of “friendlies” was, in the 1960s, somewhat different from today. Pele was the world’s greatest player, Santos were often regarded as the world’s greatest side, and those tour matches of Europe and Africa were taken extremely seriously by Santos and their opponents. For example, in Athens in 1961, Olympiakos defeated Pele’s Santos 2-1 - the Brazilian side’s first loss in a 13-game European tour. It is considered a victory of such importance that it features in the club anthem: “Everyone trembles at the very sound of your name / Pele and Santos still remember your name”, it proclaims. This is a club boasting 46 league titles and 28 Greek Cups, yet a victory in a “friendly” remains its most celebrated win. Some of the most famous matches of this era were friendlies - take Hungary’s win over England at Wembley in 1953, or Wolverhampton Wanderers’ famous 3-2 victory over Honved a year later. It’s not unreasonable for Pele to count those goals. Equally, since club friendlies in the modern era aren’t considered so prestigious, it would seem less understandable if Ronaldo or Lionel Messi’s goals in those games counted, and therefore for consistency, none are counted in “official” records. That’s all fair enough but it’s not like Pele is attempting to claim goals scored in his back garden. It’s also worth questioning why it is universally accepted that goals in international friendlies do count, but goals in club friendlies do not. Many of Pele’s goals in club friendlies will have been scored in much more competitive situations than, for example, Ronaldo’s friendly goals against Andorra, Luxembourg and Estonia."

the leagues were shorter back then, so teams could go touring and playing other tournaments to make some profit.

@@matheus5230 You are making things up same as Pele did. Started counting friendlies you too? What stronger teams? He scored sometimes like 5 goals against some total amateurs in some official matches. Also, many of his goals are proven to be false in terms that they should be counted. He also has played in far far far more amateurish football. Did you even watch him play in videos? It is totally amateurish football compared to today. He was good for that era, but thats it. And if you count friendly game goals it means you are insecure (talking about Pele here, not you).

@@vedadvehabovic6052 Brazil won three World Cups from 1958 to 1970. All of the players in those Brazil squads played in brazilian clubs. Also, you really either didn't read or straight-up ignored all I said in my comment, and the links I shared. Santos actively boycotted most of the Libertadores editions from the 60s, because it was far more lucrative to the club to play friendlies across the world. Back then, official games and tournaments weren't as well defined today, and the calendary had less games too. So, teams played friendlies that were taken very seriously. Some of the biggest games of that era were friendlies actually, like Hungary's historical 6-3 win against England at Wembley in 1953. All games featuring Pelé's Santos made stadiums across the world be fully crowded, and everyone wanted the bragging rights of beating Pelé, and everyone took the games very seriously. You can't look at the past with the eyes of the present, you have to understand the context of the era, things were different. In one of the links I shared, there are examples of strong teams Pelé played against across the world, and there is also a good video in RU-vid called Pelé vs. Europe. Santos faced Eusébio's Benfica in 1966, and won by 4-0. Santos had already faced Benfica before, and in an official competition: the 1962 Intercontinental Cup. Santos beat Benfica by 5-2 at Benfica's home, with Pelé scoring a hat-trick and one assist. In 1959, Santos played a friendly against Real Madrid, and lost by 5-3, with Pelé scoring two goals. And the list goes on. You really should check out the video made by Daily Dose Football regarding Pelé. And please, read my first comment again, and this link below too, debunking all bullshit regarding Pelé, and also talking about Pelé's amazing athletic atributes, and how perhaps no other player did as much as Pelé in changing the sport and make it the global phenomenon it is. Pelé was the Messi of his era. He was already seen as the GOAT. And the far lesser globalization also made Pelé far harder to watching than Messi nowadays, so everyone wanted to see Pelé whenever they could, wherever he went. Everyone kissed where he stepped, he was worshipped like a god, and was a global celebrity that transcended the sport. Look at Netflix's doc called Pelé. mobile.twitter.com/selecaotalk/status/1251863371168788485

When many are compared to just one, it is a sign that this one is the best.

Both of them would make CR7 and messi look like children

@@rtosviewer7915 to be fair Messi is very good he is the Maradona for this generation and put him and Di Stefano as next 2. Watch footage at 18 he was clearly special Ronaldo at 18 was not special he became that due to hard work

@@gmain1977 yeah

She's senile

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Seu mau 😅

He hardly played in one of them.

@@kennedysan1045 and Messi couldn't even score in the Final in 2014 lol

@@sayantabanerjee3856 it's took Messi 5 World Cups to score his first knockout goal. Pathetic. Messi's not the GOAT he's a donkey.

3*

Where is Zidane, Johan Cruyff and Di Stefano. And, by the way, the likes of Garrincha, George Best and Zico is rated higher than Ronaldinho.

And 1200 goals against village teams and farmers ……

Bro scored like speed in the Charity match.

And Messi got all his shit In a league wit less competition than played in la liga and did nothing in the ucl for years after losing the actual core that helped win missi is not a winner everything about missi scream loser how long it take for missi to get a international trophy cuz I think Ronaldo did it first 😭 oh and missi a midget that needed growth hormones so he not even like that without what most nah not most if anyone else got that type of treatment in any sport that guy can’t play so even wit all that steroids, a team full of a1 players, and all these “skills” and “goals” he still got no World Cup barely won a cup for Argentina, did nothing in the ucl time and time again, but hey he got all the popularity awards 🤣🤣🤣😭

@@wereallyrollin6680 who is talking about messi 😭, rent free in your head

Non sense. Do you even know what backyards goals are? Pele was the main face of football that time & there was not much tournaments like present. That's why they travel the world & played against all european giants. What you are calling backyards goals that's actually scored against Madrid, Milan,United,Ajax & all big big clubs that time. His goal ratio was above 1 against all european giants that time. He was better than Messi/Ron anyday.What he invented 60 years ago then rest of all used it in their game.😁 If you want prove visit a channel called "Bella Kona".

@@asifiqbal-Relentless I don't need to do research cause it was just a joke💀