Provoked: Engaging a Roman Catholic on Justification 

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How sad to not have an assurance of salvation. Pray for my sister who came out of Mormonism by the grace of God and is now becoming Catholic. She doesn't believe in faith alone. I have walked with Jesus for over 3 years as a non Mormon and the only way I was able to see the grace of God was to come to an end of myself and a supposed view of my own "righteousness." Thank you Jesus that it is finished!

Reminder that skipping Mass one Sunday is considered a mortal sin by the Catholic Church..

Great job Trey and Jake! Both of you were so humble and gracious! 🙏🏼♥️🙏🏼

The gift of God is not under the control of mortal men or the church or the priest

2009 Hillsdale graduate here. Love seeing my fellow alums being awesome.

Kind of astounding that, as of 35 mins into the conversation, the Holy Spirit isn't mentioned once.

All sin is mortal. It all leads to death. Only Christ's imparted righteousness is sufficient to satisfy God's wrath and bring us into fellowship. God sees Christ's blood when he looks at a saved sinner.

Jake ‘n Bake in the house!

What about Romans 4:8? I think the reason Roman Catholics believe justification is a life long cooperation with grace is because their sins are still being imputed to them according to their understanding. Understanding the finished work of Christ and how that work applies to a believer is the root issue here. Christ's atonement for sin is a complete and final one, not an ongoing sacrifice through the Eucharist and other sacraments. Man trying to control and dispense Gods grace is very apparent in the Roman Catholic system. Im not finished watching the video. I hope this issue is brought up.

How come the catholic guy didnt use scripture to back up what he believes

"It kills the connection between you and God."... What ever happened to NOTHING can separate us from the love of God!? What a wicked and dreadful doctrine to hold to.

Stoked for this one. I love all of you Christian brothers in all traditions

What a hopeless “gospel” the Roman Catholic Church has made. If their false gospel were true, how little hope we would have.

There is only One Holy & Apostolic Church that Christ established & that is the Catholic Church. Christ is King

God causes the cooperation

Justification is the gracious action of God, which frees us from sin and communicates the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Justification is not only the remission of sins, but also the sanctification and renewal of the interior man.

Utterly heartbreaking

It's so disingenuous because I was Catholic for 40 years, attending mass at least once a week, going to Catholic public schools and having quite prominent Catholics in my family and I never heard the word "justification" used once. What I did hear a lot was the importance of "the sacraments", especially attending mass (I was told it was a "mortal sin" to miss it for no good reason and I fell into a depression after missing it in my early 20s for that reason). And "being good" of course. Although the Holy Spirit indwelling was never the power to do good. It was all your own effort. (Passages like Galatians 5:22-24, John chapter 3, 2 Corinthians 5:17 & 13:5, Romans 8 etc were never mentioned and purposely edited out of the Bible readings at Mass).

So faith comes through baptism? Not by hearing as Romans 10:17 says?

Interviewer was real soft and had no pushback on Catholics beliefs.. just “ yeah I appreciate what you just said”?

Can someone kindly help me understand what this gentleman means by "this is divination in the church of the east" ? My understanding of "divination" is bad and like idolatry and black magic sort of stuff, is their a different understanding of what he means by "divination" ?

Define authentic

When a person trusts in God, that is an action that the person has done with God and that person has played apart of his/her own salvation. Also when a person rejects God's leadership that person has sinned, but God did not sin. Thus when we do righteous works we did that with God, but when we sin we do that alone. Also someone said that love covers for many sins.

Martin Luther went to his grave believing he was a good Catholic.

From my anything but humble perspective, all this can be answered by asking 3 questions: 1) What is a lie? 2) Did Jesus Christ ever lie? And 3) Was Jesus Christ lying in Luke 23:43 when He said “today you will be with Me in Paradise”? Again, from my anything but humble perspective Jesus Christ just disproved the Romanist cult by acknowledging the thief’s contrition and confession that Jesus Christ is GOD and only GOD can forgive sin and bless the lost with eternal life.

The issue I have with his hypothetical example of the man who receives salvation and then commits a sin by having a baby ( I think he said out of wedlock) but then goes and has an abortion, is this : Often times what I think happens in the observable life of a believer that we are trying to reconcile in light of the truth of Gods word is whether a person is truly saved or not. And this gentleman did mention that we can’t truly know that to the core of the heart and soul the way God does. The issue still arrives where finite creatures are trying to reconcile the fruit of their own life and the lives of others. And so in the hypothetical or in the case of anyone who abandons Christ by all intents and purposes, the scriptures would resolve this in two categories: 1: They are not truly and never were truly saved and therefore, for the protection of the church community, that individual would be excommunicated. Or 2: by what we perceive based on their conduct ( possibly ongoing ) is that they are not truly saved ( as far as we can tell ) and we would excommunicate them with the hope that they would come to their senses and return back to Christ. Thus proving ( by all that we can tell) that they belonged to Christ. The heart of a truly saved person is not one of perfect sanctification, but progressive. The standard of perfection is often something we just see as a theory or a seminary truth held in scripture and possibly don’t grasp the magnitude and impossibility of this standard , but bro… perfection?!?!? Without even getting in to the weeds of what we all do or don’t do each day, I can make it easy. Do we : Love the lord God with everything that we are in the same way that Christ does? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Do we do it after receiving salvation? Noooooooooo! Perfectly? NO!!! The way Christ does? No !!!! Then that is enough to convict us while we sleep and wake each day. So even after salvation and in the progressive sanctified life of a believer, we can only ever stand on the work of Christ. I think often what we fear about the freeing gift of grace is that it’s too good to be true and because so many either “fake believers” or immature believers have brought a blight upon the testimony of Christ, we do our best to correct and give an answer to what the outside world is seeing so as to not deem God as a hypocrite or his church.

Man this is heartbreaking to listen to. I pray Lord Jesus that you save this man from out of the works yolked to him by Rome, that he might know your peace!

Faith is not simple; faith being entirely a work of God is an alien presence within us along with the Holy spirit

Luther was correct about the you-know-whos. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

Kindly, the catholic view on infant baptism makes zero sense. To say u r saved by baptism then suddenly unsaved if you sin....if thats the case, what is the baptism saving u from if not the sins u will commit? Pretty weak salvation if it can't even protect u from one sin. I'll never understand why catholics twist the gospel in this way when the actual gospel is so beautiful!

Someone tell me why all of the bible scriptures about doing works is all just a waste of time by the authors of the bible and thus, God himself? Just because Ephesians is mistranslated the entire rest of the bible is thrown out with the bathwater????? Read James 2 14-18 before you respond to this comment please.

Palagian

Luther was based on the jews!!!

I completely respect respectful dialogue. However, I am a little disappointed that the host is not allowing for Biblical truths to be exalted. Allowing religious perspectives to be shared is fine, but when God has taken the thorn out of our eye, we are called to lovingly correct and share the Word of God. Jesus is Lord. catholicism is not biblical.

Faith in Christ what?